New to Steroids.

[Martek]

My Girl's Bro is on them and he looks great! He told me he can get me some for a decent price. He said since he doesnt want me to get hurt I have to research all I know about roids. I researched alot and found out alot. Can someone type down the basics and how to prevent probs? Thanks guys!

Gynecomastia take Nolva, right?

Keep HDL you can take Tribastan right? So something like that. Thanks guys!

PS - this is injectable..

Brian

 

[mikefear]

if you researched a lot and found out a lot, then you don't need us telling you the basics.

if you have specific questions, post up.

First cycle suggestion:

Test alone; test with some eq/deca; test + dbol

stay away from tren on your first cycle

try to make your first cycle work with as few compounds as possible

eat.

 

[CaddysNJuice]

this has "ONE TIME" written ALL OVER IT..........

 

[Martek]

Thanks bro, i'll remember that. I am currently on Cellmass as my Creatine and 100% Whey for my protein shakes. I do workout every weekday but Wednesday and eat Chicken, Tuna, sandwhiches etc., I will remember to stay away from Tren tho on my first cycle. Im at work, I will come back online later, thanks for the heads up

-Brian

 

[02gixxersix]

Bottom line.. First cycle should be 500mg a week of a long acting testosterone only. Long acting because of lss frequency of injections. Make sure you have enough nolvadex on hand to combat gyno if it arises. Make sure you have at least nolva or clomid for post cycle therapy to get your HPTA functioning again. Do some research on diet as well as steroids and training as well. MIght as well get the best out of your cycle.

Also I would wait a little while until you know better what you are doing. Maybe whatever he is going to get for you isn't really what you want to take. Take some time to do some reading and I promise you will be happy you did later on. There are countless guys on here myself included that did their first cycle way too early and would love to have it to do over again.

 

[bverysmart]

hey bro what are your stats.

Give us some info. we can't answere questions unless you give us more info.

Age
diet
work uout regiment
height /weight/BF%

 

[BigCracker]

Working out 4x a week is the easy part. It's what you do outside of the gym that will determine your success. Do you know what your daily protein intake is? Do you know what it should be? How much sleep do you get per night? If you can't answer these questions off the top of your head, that means you aren't familiar with the basics of how AAS work. If you did know these things, and actually followed them with some discipline, you'd likely make great gains w/o AAS.

As far as training goes, do you know the difference between compound exercises and isolation exercises? Ex. Which 2 exercises of these 4 would be best for building pectoral mass? Flat bench flys? Cable Crossovers? Incline Bench? or Pec Dec?

If you can't answer this question correctly off the top of your head you need to learn more about training before you consider AAS.


AAS should not be used as a crutch for ignorance and laziness. You'll benefit most from AAS when they're used to push yourself past a natural plateau-which may take 2-3 yrs of hard training and diet(or longer) to reach in the 1st place. It's during this time when you learn WTF you're doing and fine tune your lifestyle to eat right, train right, and rest. Fucking up during this time period is normal-but once you take the AAS plunge all of the bullshit should be behind you. Just my .02 cc's.

 

[Martek]

Age - 21 (22 in August)
diet - Oatmeal, Pop Tarts, Eggs, Chicken Sandwiches lunch time,
work out regiment - Monday, Biceps, Triceps, Back and Lats (4 sets) 12 reps
Tuesday - SHoulders and Legs Abs (4 sets 12 reps)
Wednesday - Off!
Thursday - Same as Monday
Friday - Same as Tuesday
Weekends off
height - 5'10, weight = 145lbs

BF% = 5-7%

NOW
Arms = 14.5in
Forarms = 12in
Waist = 29
Chest = 38
Neck = 15 1/2

3 Months ago
Arms = 12.5
Forarms = 11
Waist = 29
Chest = 34
Neck = 15

Current preacher curl on the machine is 12 reps on 180lbs
Bench is unknown.
Tri pull down = 140lbs
Leg Press = 215lbs

Dont know the legs... they are okay I guess.
Thank you everyone!

-Brian

 

[Jon79]

5-7% bodyfat eating pop tarts and ck sand? props to you

 

[littleb]

Bro i gonna tell you what u dont want to hear, you need to wait a while and do a lot of research,,,,,,, at 21 22 too young imo, and you are messin with your health big time if not done right... you came to the right place to learn, but its not the magic bullet.. if you are going to inject a substance into your body know EVERYTHING about it sides ect..... not a flame bro, I studied and researched for over a year b4 my 1st cycle, and i am still learning evey day here........... take my advise for whats its worth and good luck.. littleb

 

[Martek]

Bro i gonna tell you what u dont want to hear, you need to wait a while and do a lot of research,,,,,,, at 21 22 too young imo, and you are messin with your health big time if not done right... you came to the right place to learn, but its not the magic bullet.. if you are going to inject a substance into your body know EVERYTHING about it sides ect..... not a flame bro, I studied and researched for over a year b4 my 1st cycle, and i am still learning evey day here........... take my advise for whats its worth and good luck.. littleb

ITs cool, Honesty is key. I was just wondering only because a very close friend of mine is very smart on this stuff and he knows alot and I called him up one day and asked him what he would think about if I wanted to take a cycle and he actually said it isn't a bad idea at all. I was expecting him to make fun of me cause he is a hard ass and really just pure honest and it makes him seem mean at first but he is no bullshiter. I was happy with his reply so he asked me to find ways to counteract any of the side effects. I found everything besides the Liver and how to keep HDL levels normal. I mean I know the process and how the body metabolizes everything like excess Cholesterol, but I didn't see how to help it out. I found Gyno is best taken care with Nolva, or Nolvidex, and reg over counter meds take care of headaches as well. Tribasten is used for keeping the body elevated and normal as far as your sex drive, testosterone levels etc.. I trust him and I do want to take this cycle as I have been lifting for about 3 years but 1 year I have been ripping at it and I just got in the gym in March. Anyways, I guess thats my story. Thanks for the input.

-Brian

 

[littleb]

ITs cool, Honesty is key. I was just wondering only because a very close friend of mine is very smart on this stuff and he knows alot and I called him up one day and asked him what he would think about if I wanted to take a cycle and he actually said it isn't a bad idea at all. I was expecting him to make fun of me cause he is a hard ass and really just pure honest and it makes him seem mean at first but he is no bullshiter. I was happy with his reply so he asked me to find ways to counteract any of the side effects. I found everything besides the Liver and how to keep HDL levels normal. I mean I know the process and how the body metabolizes everything like excess Cholesterol, but I didn't see how to help it out. I found Gyno is best taken care with Nolva, or Nolvidex, and reg over counter meds take care of headaches as well. Tribasten is used for keeping the body elevated and normal as far as your sex drive, testosterone levels etc.. I trust him and I do want to take this cycle as I have been lifting for about 3 years but 1 year I have been ripping at it and I just got in the gym in March. Anyways, I guess thats my story. Thanks for the input.

-Brian

just keep reading bro,diet is the biggest part of hdl levels along with otc supps. you can keep it decent..... nolva is for pct and if you start to feel the onset of gyno.. other then that an anti estrogen can be taken during the cycle....... and tribastan wont do anything while you are on, can throw it in for the hell of it for pct it cant hurt there.. my advise is study bro as i said you came to a good place and are already smarter then mose who do no research.... do it right.......

 

[mlong23]

Bro i gonna tell you what u dont want to hear, you need to wait a while and do a lot of research,,,,,,, at 21 22 too young imo, and you are messin with your health big time if not done right... you came to the right place to learn, but its not the magic bullet.. if you are going to inject a substance into your body know EVERYTHING about it sides ect..... not a flame bro, I studied and researched for over a year b4 my 1st cycle, and i am still learning evey day here........... take my advise for whats its worth and good luck.. littleb

It honestly has nothing to do with him being 21 or 22. He doesn't know shit about eating right or lifting right. Sounds like he has only been working out for a few months anyway.

Advice, take at least 1-2 years of hard training, eating right and learning more about steroids until you are ready to take the plunge. Right now you are just too ignorant to take steroids. If your friend knows so much about them, then you should ask him as well as hanging out here and asking questions.

 

[Behemoth]

BOMB kABooM bOMb

That would have normally been my response to a post that I disagreed with...especially one that reads like this...

However, since whinners have prevailed...

I will just say...slow down...do not be so anxious to come over to the darkside...the results you see in your acquaintance are from more then just gas. Diet, Training, AAS...in that order.

 

[theprofessor]

Age - 21 (22 in August)
diet - Oatmeal, Pop Tarts, Eggs, Chicken Sandwiches lunch time,
work out regiment - Monday, Biceps, Triceps, Back and Lats (4 sets) 12 reps
Tuesday - SHoulders and Legs Abs (4 sets 12 reps)
Wednesday - Off!
Thursday - Same as Monday
Friday - Same as Tuesday
Weekends off....

....Current preacher curl on the machine is 12 reps on 180lbs
Bench is unknown.
Tri pull down = 140lbs
Leg Press = 215lbs

Dont know the legs... they are okay I guess.
Thank you everyone!

-Brian

you need to visit the weight training forum... asap...

 

[littleb]

although i agree with some of the harsher posts above, I at least give him credit for coming here b4 just taking his friend up and jumping on.. shows some common sense in my book... I have seen much worse..

bro just sit back work on diet and training and study everything gl

 

[Martek]

although i agree with some of the harsher posts above, I at least give him credit for coming here b4 just taking his friend up and jumping on.. shows some common sense in my book... I have seen much worse..

bro just sit back work on diet and training and study everything gl

Thank you very much, as for my hard work in the past year, I weighed in at 110 lbs last summer... I have been training and dieting accordingly I hope this helps. I was 110lbs now I am on the 145 mark I will for sure look into this more, Thank you for all the input once again

-Brian

 

[02gixxersix]

Bro after posting those stats no offense but you are not even close to ready for AAS. You are overtraining and undereating. Pop tarts should not be listed as part of a bodybuilding diet. I'm not saying don't ever eat them but cummon bro that's not gonna make u grow. I can almost guarantee to you that if you take steroids you will gain a few lbs and lose it faster than ever and be left with depression and no motivation to even go to the gym. Learn how to eat and train right or you are wasting your time and money.

 

[fallingeggs]

just to have one more person say it:
DIET and a good workout will do you much better... and this is from someone that is 20 and that has done a small oral cycle that he should have not done. Trust these guys, they know.

 

[drrman]

im not even gonna bother on this one

 

[cboogsrun]

Age - 21 (22 in August)
diet - Oatmeal, Pop Tarts, Eggs, Chicken Sandwiches lunch time,
work out regiment - Monday, Biceps, Triceps, Back and Lats (4 sets) 12 reps
Tuesday - SHoulders and Legs Abs (4 sets 12 reps)
Wednesday - Off!
Thursday - Same as Monday
Friday - Same as Tuesday
Weekends off
height - 5'10, weight = 145lbs

BF% = 5-7%

NOW
Arms = 14.5in
Forarms = 12in
Waist = 29
Chest = 38
Neck = 15 1/2

3 Months ago
Arms = 12.5
Forarms = 11
Waist = 29
Chest = 34
Neck = 15

Current preacher curl on the machine is 12 reps on 180lbs
Bench is unknown.
Tri pull down = 140lbs
Leg Press = 215lbs

Dont know the legs... they are okay I guess.
Thank you everyone!

-Brian

Dude,

If I were you I'd wait, get a few years of training under your belt. Learn your body and what works well with out juice. Then when you know the juice will be that much better. I would definately work on your diet. Chicken salad has mayonaise in it. chicken breast is by far better. I would definately learn about core lifts. Bench, squat, deadlift, cleans of all sorts. There is an endless amount of knowledge you can gain from this site. Good luck

 

[BigCracker]

im not even gonna bother on this one

What happened Ghandi? Tired of wasting your keystrokes helping the roid puppies? Pop Tarts get you Coleman-big. (as in Gary Coleman)

Ya gotta love that training program too.

 

[drrman]

What happened Ghandi? Tired of wasting your keystrokes helping the roid puppies? Pop Tarts get you Coleman-big. (as in Gary Coleman)

Ya gotta love that training program too.

man, i just didn't even want to get started on this one.......6' 145 lbs, man oh man..........i figured you would lay out a extremely hillarious post on this one.....you disappoint me with these non-humerous posts Cracker

 

[BigCracker]

man, i just didn't even want to get started on this one.......6' 145 lbs, man oh man..........i figured you would lay out a extremely hillarious post on this one.....you disappoint me with these non-humerous posts Cracker

When this guy says his friends on AAS look great you can't help but consider the source. Doesn't Stacey Keibler weigh about 145# at 6ft tall? Yeah, she looks great, but she is a "she".

Did you notice how my original post was completely overlooked? He didn't even make a feeble attempt at answering those extremely basic questions. Oh well, like I've said before 95% of the guys on roids in the gym don't even look like they workout. He'll fit right in.

 

[drrman]

When this guy says his friends on AAS look great you can't help but consider the source. Doesn't Stacey Keibler weigh about 145# at 6ft tall? Yeah, she looks great, but she is a "she".

Did you notice how my original post was completely overlooked? He didn't even make a feeble attempt at answering those extremely basic questions. Oh well, like I've said before 95% of the guys on roids in the gym don't even look like they workout. He'll fit right in.

lmfao....i just went back and read it all.......pop tarts....didnt' even catch that

 

[Martek]

im not even gonna bother on this one

Here are my pics below.

-Brian

Currently been taking 100%Whey and Cellmass as my Supps

 

[Martek]

im not 6ft tall guys... I am only 5'10is.. if I put 6ft it was a mispost. And for no steroids and being all normal, i'd say I am pretty good at training as you can see from my pics. My delts are bigger than most men and I have a very good physique that i thought need a nice boost since i've been training a while. I do all those excerises you mentioned and again i am NOT 6ft tall, thats TOO tall for me, I am 5'10ish giver take a 1/4 inch shorter

 

[drrman]

Here are my pics below.

-Brian

Currently been taking 100%Whey and Cellmass as my Supps

bro, you don't look bad at all, nice and lean, but again, i don't think you are ready for steroids yet man....you got a lot you can gain naturally without the juice......i was 6' 160 when i started training, got to 200 naturally, i think you can easily put on 20 more lbs without the juice

 

[littleb]

I agree with drr that you can still gain natty , can see you hit the gym and good foundation to work on as i said b4 study everything first, and you can thank me later, jumping in head first not smart.... seem to be on the right path bro gl to u littleb

 

[Martek]

Alright, I mean, I was going to keep at it this season and see how the results were moving.. I guess I was thinking about juice maybe a little later on, not precisely right now but later on. I am still building this I know. I am averaging in the gym on the arms alone are around 1-.5 inch a month but it is slowing down. I gained 2.5 inches in 3 months in the arms alone with may early may being the best month and time. It has slowed down recently and I mean Pop-Tarts were something just to throw in there. I do eat Eggs and Oatmeal and drink milk. I drink 6 scoops of whey a day thats 24 grams x 6 = daily whey intake. Anyways thank you for the complliment, I know I am not the best but I feel I have accomplished alot in my training and diet for what I have been learning. Chicken breasts are very good and I just need to stay away from the Marie Calender's Microwave dinners... Its really bad I know but I dont know how to cook, lol. Anyways, keep em' coming thanks everyone

 

[Ramcononer]

One question unless I missed it...in your post where you state your routine it seems you never do Chest? That would be a BIG whole in your plan and a big sign you need to revamp your routine and learn.

 

[Martek]

Oh crap my bad, I was at work and I had to type fast before the boss saw me. I am an accountant and I was typing fast. On Tues and Fri I hit my chest as well

 

[BigCracker]

Put a wig on him and I'll fuck him like he was Stacey Keibler. It's not like he could stop me. Pepper spray just makes me more horny-so don't even think about it.

Seriously, the workout and diet needs a major overhaul. Getting those 2 things dialed in will get you great gains on their own. Of course, you're gonna do whatever you want anyway. So good luck. Just know the knowledgeable guys on here really want to give you good advice. It's not like they're scared you're going to pass them up physique wise anytime soon. Learn from other's mistakes instead of finding out the hard way.

 

[drrman]

Alright, I mean, I was going to keep at it this season and see how the results were moving.. I guess I was thinking about juice maybe a little later on, not precisely right now but later on. I am still building this I know. I am averaging in the gym on the arms alone are around 1-.5 inch a month but it is slowing down. I gained 2.5 inches in 3 months in the arms alone with may early may being the best month and time. It has slowed down recently and I mean Pop-Tarts were something just to throw in there. I do eat Eggs and Oatmeal and drink milk. I drink 6 scoops of whey a day thats 24 grams x 6 = daily whey intake. Anyways thank you for the complliment, I know I am not the best but I feel I have accomplished alot in my training and diet for what I have been learning. Chicken breasts are very good and I just need to stay away from the Marie Calender's Microwave dinners... Its really bad I know but I dont know how to cook, lol. Anyways, keep em' coming thanks everyone

bro, just hang around and read read and read some more........its good you are getting those kinds of results, when you reach a plateu you will know......meaning you don't see any kinds of gains for a year or two......gaining 2.5 inches on your arms in two months.....sounds a bit hard to believe but i promise you it won't be like that much longer......hell i've only put about .75 on mine in the past three years with NUMEROUS cycles in there.........looks like you got some decent genetics so do what you can and use the juice later on to break through to the next level

 

[goal200]

Just to point something out, this guy has been VERY accepting of all the negative comments in this thread. And I think he's doing the right thing asking you bros for opinions, etc...cuz there's lotsa knowledge in here!!

That being said, though...I didn't post any questions until I had read everything here for like 2 months.

You're on the right track, bro--keep training, focus on eating and compound lifts. Prob wait till you're a bit heavier, then when you have everything planned out, jump on a safe beginner cycle that's recommended here all the time(350-500mg test e or c/ew)

 

[drrman]

Just to point something out, this guy has been VERY accepting of all the negative comments in this thread. And I think he's doing the right thing asking you bros for opinions, etc...cuz there's lotsa knowledge in here!!

That being said, though...I didn't post any questions until I had read everything here for like 2 months.

You're on the right track, bro--keep training, focus on eating and compound lifts. Prob wait till you're a bit heavier, then when you have everything planned out, jump on a safe beginner cycle that's recommended here all the time(350-500mg test e or c/ew)

yes, got to give him props, he's taken criticism agreed with it, even posted pics......we just might be able to mold this fucker into a monster in the future!!

 

[off_safety]

bro, im in no way a vet, but you have to be smart about this shit. read the stickies at the top.sit back and just read. you cant just jump into this shit, it takes research or else youre not going to get the gains you expected, and if you do, your not going to keep them. it will just be a waste of time and money. also, what your talking about doing is illegal, so annoniminity(sp?) is key. dont put pictures of your face all over the damn internet with "i want to do gear" posted under it. black out your face. dont use your name. a source doesnt need to know that shit, and they usually wont ask. cops will. just take your time, and think about what your doing. $.02

 

[mlong23]

bro, just hang around and read read and read some more........its good you are getting those kinds of results, when you reach a plateu you will know......meaning you don't see any kinds of gains for a year or two......gaining 2.5 inches on your arms in two months.....sounds a bit hard to believe but i promise you it won't be like that much longer......hell i've only put about .75 on mine in the past three years with NUMEROUS cycles in there.........looks like you got some decent genetics so do what you can and use the juice later on to break through to the next level

I can believe that he could of gained 2.5 inches on his arm. The dude said he only weighed 110 lbs, when starting. Everyone knows that as a beginner they make their best gains.

For the person, that said he is overtraining, what are you talking about? He is not training intelligently, but I doubt he is overtraining. If anything you would want to be overtraining than undertraining as a beginner.

The main thing you need to look at is eating correctly, often enough and with food. 6 Scoops a day of protein is a waste. Replace about 2-4 of those scoops with real food, and then you will start to see some results. Why don't you post us a sample diet, and we will be able to help you better (include carbs and protein and fats). As for training, start reading the magazines and Arnold's book. The magazines are mostly a lie, but they do help give ideas for certain workouts. If there is no big guys at your gym to talk to, look at buying a pro's video. They typically have pretty good information in there, as well as seeing exactly how they train for about a weeks worth.

 

[mlong23]

im not 6ft tall guys... I am only 5'10is.. if I put 6ft it was a mispost. And for no steroids and being all normal, i'd say I am pretty good at training as you can see from my pics. My delts are bigger than most men and I have a very good physique that i thought need a nice boost since i've been training a while. I do all those excerises you mentioned and again i am NOT 6ft tall, thats TOO tall for me, I am 5'10ish giver take a 1/4 inch shorter

Don't get offended, but your delts are not bigger than most men if you are only at 140 lbs. You do look very lean, which gives you the apperance of looking bigger, but to say that you are bigger than most guys, can't see it. I am 5'10-11 and weighed 175-180 coming out of high school. I started training like crazy my senior year, probably gained about 15-20 lbs that year. Its all about learning and doing.

 

[humble]

Bro i gonna tell you what u dont want to hear, you need to wait a while and do a lot of research,,,,,,, at 21 22 too young imo, and you are messin with your health big time if not done right... you came to the right place to learn, but its not the magic bullet.. if you are going to inject a substance into your body know EVERYTHING about it sides ect..... not a flame bro, I studied and researched for over a year b4 my 1st cycle, and i am still learning evey day here........... take my advise for whats its worth and good luck.. littleb

Good advice.

 

[02gixxersix]

I can believe that he could of gained 2.5 inches on his arm. The dude said he only weighed 110 lbs, when starting. Everyone knows that as a beginner they make their best gains.

For the person, that said he is overtraining, what are you talking about? He is not training intelligently, but I doubt he is overtraining. If anything you would want to be overtraining than undertraining as a beginner.

The main thing you need to look at is eating correctly, often enough and with food. 6 Scoops a day of protein is a waste. Replace about 2-4 of those scoops with real food, and then you will start to see some results. Why don't you post us a sample diet, and we will be able to help you better (include carbs and protein and fats). As for training, start reading the magazines and Arnold's book. The magazines are mostly a lie, but they do help give ideas for certain workouts. If there is no big guys at your gym to talk to, look at buying a pro's video. They typically have pretty good information in there, as well as seeing exactly how they train for about a weeks worth.

Why would anyone want to overtrain? Undertraining can not be juged by someone who posts a routine, you could only judge it by seeing the intensity with which they lift. His routine is terrible and he is doing volume training hitting every bodypart twice a week. If he is not growing then he is overtraining/undereating. Undertraining as you call it would not be the best way to optimize muscle growth but overtraining leads to easy plateauing and injury not to mention anxiety and sleeplessness. Any training will work when you first start out but if you are overdoing it you will stagnate quickly which is why most of the people you see in the gym look the same year after year.

 

[02gixxersix]

Also telling someone to get training advice from a magazine or pros video is just terrible advice bro. Those workouts are designed for people with a 275lb base to improve their lagging areas. If you want to give training advice tell him to go look at the 5X5 routine posted in the training forum from needsize or westside barbell or something like that. i disagree with dropping the protein powder as liquid meals unless you add penut butter and oats or something should have little affect on hunger. I agree he should add more food and maybe drop a shake or 2 if it is inhibiting his ability to eat but not drop them all together, they have their place.

 

[CaddysNJuice]

Bro, I aint going to lie. I started at 20. And it was the best thing for me, imho. And THATS ALL THAT FUCKING MATTERS, is your OWN opinion. Do all the research you can. Find out about protein intake, calorie intake, sleep, PROPER training tecniques, PROPER PCT(key) and the side effects of EACH compound you want to take. Take time to find other boards, which have huge steroid libraries with definitions of EACH compound. This is IMPORTANT. You want to know which drug will make you bulk, get stronger, make your dick limp, make you bald, good and bad, learn it.
Personally, im glad i got on. I trained for years, being in martial arts since the age of 12. But, for the life of me, no MATTER HOW MUCH I ATE AND TRAINED, i couldnt break 143 lbs. Many people call themselves hardgainers. But i sat down and calculated the ammount of money i spent on REAL food in one week. I spend 210 a WEEK on fucking food. Tell me im not a hardgainer and i will spit in your face. Anyways, after RESEARCHING alot, and even some flamming(oonly from this board), i learned all i needed to know and took the plunge. My first cycle took me from a starting 138 lbs and blasted me to 178 lbs, and only loosing 5 lbs due to a GOOD PCT. A good PCT=gains kept. My arms went from a 13" to 17.5" prolly close to 18 now.
Just read, read, eat, read,eat,eat and sleep. Then, and only then will you grow!

Happy growing

CNJ

 

[BigCracker]

Bro, I aint going to lie. I started at 20. And it was the best thing for me, imho. And THATS ALL THAT FUCKING MATTERS, is your OWN opinion. Do all the research you can. Find out about protein intake, calorie intake, sleep, PROPER training tecniques, PROPER PCT(key) and the side effects of EACH compound you want to take. Take time to find other boards, which have huge steroid libraries with definitions of EACH compound. This is IMPORTANT. You want to know which drug will make you bulk, get stronger, make your dick limp, make you bald, good and bad, learn it.
Personally, im glad i got on. I trained for years, being in martial arts since the age of 12. But, for the life of me, no MATTER HOW MUCH I ATE AND TRAINED, i couldnt break 143 lbs. Many people call themselves hardgainers. But i sat down and calculated the ammount of money i spent on REAL food in one week. I spend 210 a WEEK on fucking food. Tell me im not a hardgainer and i will spit in your face. Anyways, after RESEARCHING alot, and even some flamming(oonly from this board), i learned all i needed to know and took the plunge. My first cycle took me from a starting 138 lbs and blasted me to 178 lbs, and only loosing 5 lbs due to a GOOD PCT. A good PCT=gains kept. My arms went from a 13" to 17.5" prolly close to 18 now.
Just read, read, eat, read,eat,eat and sleep. Then, and only then will you grow!

Happy growing

CNJ

There ya go martek, someone telling you to take the plunge. Now you can delete this thread. lol Seriously bro, no flame meant to Caddys-but it's rare that guys like him will still be training 5 yrs from now. What seems to be the right decision now may come back to haunt him someday. Only time will tell. I've been hitting the gym 6 days a week for almost 19 yrs and I rarely take more than a day or so off at a time. It's rare if a guy in his early 20's still trains in his late 20's. Once most guys graduate from school or get married and have kids working out becomes a thing of the past.

Let me put it this way, I only know 3 other guys at my gym that I've seen consistenly for the past 10 yrs and are still in great shape. I don't think it's a coincidence none of us are married or have kids either.

Are you sure you want to dance with the devil for something that may not be important to you as you get older? I think roids are like cocaine-if you never try them, you'll never crave them(or what they do) because you won't know what your missing. Training natty after using AAS is like driving a Saturn after driving a new Vette as your daily driver. Just think about what you're about to do.

Initially I told myself I'd do one cycle only. I kept my word. I've done one cycle thats lasted 16 yrs and I'm sure I'll be on 200mgs/test wk minimum for the rest of my life. Are you ready to accept this as your potential fate? or even worse if complications arise? Looking good in the big coffin is cool-but not so cool if you're leaving others that care about you behind.

 

[JuicedAthletics]

Cracker,

That is a great post. I dont have near the experience you have, but i have a good 7 year of AAS use, and you are completely correct. Once you try it, you will have an extremely hard time training without it afterwards. It is like cocaine. You are always trying to get that "first high" everytime you cycle. And it will never happen again.

I dont want to say its a downward spiral because I enjoy what it does for me and I feel I am doing it in a "safe" way. But it is very addicting, very time consuming, and the choices and sacrafices you have to make to set yourself apart, sometimes dont seem logical.

I promised myself that I would do ONE cycle so I could bulk up and play football in college. Well, I bulked up. I played D1 ball, got hurt. No more football, but you know what stayed? The anabolics. It was almost like a security blanket for me back then, just like it is today. I have training natty for almost a year, but its hard to see others advance and you know damn well that that cannot be achevieved without certain supplements..

If I could do it over again, I would prolly take a different route. But now, I am kinda stuck. I enjoy it, but I dont think I could train natty without the sauce for the rest of my life.

 

[Martek]

Wow guys, you all have great advice and I am really happy to have come here. I learned alot and I would have really messed things up if I didn't ask you guys. thanks for the advice, i'd write more but im at work right now I will be at lunch in several hours. Thanks again guys and I have decided to hold off until I can see what I can really do. After all, only been in the gym for 3 months and I really like it and I have been getting strength gains each 2 weeks so I will go with that. Thanks everyone and your critisism is only pushing me harder to do better in the gym, thanks again,

-Brian

 

[needsize]

some good points on both sides of this thread, so here is my 0.02 cents
you actually have a decent physique, not much in the way of size, but you can tell you train, which is more than I can say about a lot of people who start the juice. But at this point, my suggestion would be keep researching the juice, but learn about training at the same time...you routine needs a major overhaul...
I bet at this point, if you jumped on a decent routine, one with mostly compound exercises, none of the frilly machine crap that it seems like you are doing, squats, deadlifts, heavy bench, close grip bench, standing barbell curls, etc....mad cows 5x5 is great, even my old routine would do wonders for you...but I bet switching to that kind of training, while still clean, you would grow almost as fast as you would on juice...ride that out till you arent growing anymore, then try a cycle. You will end up with way more size than you would have had if you didnt wait, as you will have added more size naturally, and will have learned a little more about training and your body, and therefor will make much better gains off your first cycle.
Thats what I did, although I waited longer than most, and looked like I could compete after my first cycle....a few years later, and look at my avatar...I credit it to learning as much as I could about my body, and how it responds to training, food, etc

 

[silver_shadow]

Also telling someone to get training advice from a magazine or pros video is just terrible advice bro. Those workouts are designed for people with a 275lb base to improve their lagging areas. If you want to give training advice tell him to go look at the 5X5 routine posted in the training forum from needsize or westside barbell or something like that. i disagree with dropping the protein powder as liquid meals unless you add penut butter and oats or something should have little affect on hunger. I agree he should add more food and maybe drop a shake or 2 if it is inhibiting his ability to eat but not drop them all together, they have their place.

the mag workouts are not even worth the time spent reading. your right about the other workouts. martek, head over to the training board. BTW you've made good gains and will continue to do so if you eat good (diet forum) and train well. at 5ft10 145 lbs you have no business juicing. more than 99.9% chances are that your body falls into the category that will make good gains natty easily till about 200lbs maybe even 220 or 230. when you reach that stage (preferably 220 naturally) then you know your training/eating is good. then you can think about juice. as i said, head over to the training forum - LOTS of good info there.

 

[CaddysNJuice]

search the 5x5 workout. That is the best to gain size and strength. This is what i started using and what i use all the time. It is a fantastic workout.
Juice IS addicting. When you stop, if you dont have proper pct, you will DEFLATE rapidly. THis is why so many people continue usage for long peroids of time. Also, when you come off, you miss the pumps you get from lifting your arms up over your head. These, along with side effects are draw backs. If you train more, while eating ALOT, you will grow. But, if you are thinking of using right now, you will be "cheating" To some, this is bad, to others, it helps get you to your platau faster...... To each his own. What ever you do, do it smart!

 

[BigCracker]

Wow guys, you all have great advice and I am really happy to have come here. I learned alot and I would have really messed things up if I didn't ask you guys. thanks for the advice, i'd write more but im at work right now I will be at lunch in several hours. Thanks again guys and I have decided to hold off until I can see what I can really do. After all, only been in the gym for 3 months and I really like it and I have been getting strength gains each 2 weeks so I will go with that. Thanks everyone and your critisism is only pushing me harder to do better in the gym, thanks again,

-Brian

Great attitude there bro. You've matured years already just with the knowledge you'll gain off reading this thread objectively.

And I don't want to have sex with you anymore either.

 

[Sean Scott]

bigcracker is on the money i found that outside the gym is where the real test comes. tune that in and you will gain.

 

[drrman]

Great attitude there bro. You've matured years already just with the knowledge you'll gain off reading this thread objectively.

And I don't want to have sex with you anymore either.

all this seriousness cracker....whats wrong with you?

 

[Agent Dana Scully]

Bro, I aint going to lie. I started at 20. And it was the best thing for me, imho. And THATS ALL THAT FUCKING MATTERS, is your OWN opinion. Do all the research you can. Find out about protein intake, calorie intake, sleep, PROPER training tecniques, PROPER PCT(key) and the side effects of EACH compound you want to take. Take time to find other boards, which have huge steroid libraries with definitions of EACH compound. This is IMPORTANT. You want to know which drug will make you bulk, get stronger, make your dick limp, make you bald, good and bad, learn it.
Personally, im glad i got on. I trained for years, being in martial arts since the age of 12. But, for the life of me, no MATTER HOW MUCH I ATE AND TRAINED, i couldnt break 143 lbs. Many people call themselves hardgainers. But i sat down and calculated the ammount of money i spent on REAL food in one week. I spend 210 a WEEK on fucking food. Tell me im not a hardgainer and i will spit in your face. Anyways, after RESEARCHING alot, and even some flamming(oonly from this board), i learned all i needed to know and took the plunge. My first cycle took me from a starting 138 lbs and blasted me to 178 lbs, and only loosing 5 lbs due to a GOOD PCT. A good PCT=gains kept. My arms went from a 13" to 17.5" prolly close to 18 now.
Just read, read, eat, read,eat,eat and sleep. Then, and only then will you grow!

Happy growing

CNJ

I've had a similar experience, except that i was in kung fu since 4, and basically obese till 19 yrs old, tried everything to lose weight, then studied and lost weight and got down the weight, but i was never ripped, had good definition of muscles, vasularity etc...

I recently ran a min dose of Winny for 3 weeks only, and only winny, and all of a sudden i got rips, muscle definition and very very very good vascularity, got veins coming out of places that i never even knew i had lol Winny is used on cutting diets, but my response to winny was so good i actually gained noticable hardened dense size.

What i thought about after this happened was; what if i would've just ran a reg dose of primo, var, or winny 3 or 4 years ago (25 now) i would've SAVED SO MUCH money instead of buy useless supplements. Instead of wasting 2-300 dollars every month, i could've just used that money to buy some orals (after educating myself on roids of course).

I've actually been on this site for a good 2 and half to 3 years now, and i started my first cycle like last month.

 

[BigCracker]

all this seriousness cracker....whats wrong with you?

I got tired of being in "time out" every other post. lol My asshole factor fluctuates w/ my mood I guess? I'm feeling a little more tired than usual. It's been 110-115 degrees the past few days and it's only down to about a chilly 94 degrees at night-which takes a bit of getting used to after 8 months of awesome 60-90 degree weather. No worries. Nothing a hit or two off of the crackpipe won't fix.

 

[Martek]

Hi everyone, I will go and check out the 5x5 you all were mentioning. I will agree on this that my routine does need improvment. I don't exactly know what I can do to switch it up with Wednesdays off are a must I will go to the training forum and see what there is to offer and I know there is alot since I got such a response at this thread and again I want to thank you all for taking time and actually letting me know experiences or yourselves and others and what the options are if a move is taken let it be a wrong move or a smart move. I spend 225 at GNC a month for 3 tubs of Whey and 2 tubs of cellmass and yeah, that is a bit much and I was looking to see if I am wasting my money or maybe I am just not training right.. I know though my diet needs to be a bit more than it has been though so I will see about changing that. I wish I could cook, it's pathetic how I cant cook and I cant seem to think of a decent meal to enjoy. I'm headed to the training forum now, thanks again and you all rock! I'll be off my lunch in 30 min.

-Brian

 

[drrman]

Hi everyone, I will go and check out the 5x5 you all were mentioning. I will agree on this that my routine does need improvment. I don't exactly know what I can do to switch it up with Wednesdays off are a must I will go to the training forum and see what there is to offer and I know there is alot since I got such a response at this thread and again I want to thank you all for taking time and actually letting me know experiences or yourselves and others and what the options are if a move is taken let it be a wrong move or a smart move. I spend 225 at GNC a month for 3 tubs of Whey and 2 tubs of cellmass and yeah, that is a bit much and I was looking to see if I am wasting my money or maybe I am just not training right.. I know though my diet needs to be a bit more than it has been though so I will see about changing that. I wish I could cook, it's pathetic how I cant cook and I cant seem to think of a decent meal to enjoy. I'm headed to the training forum now, thanks again and you all rock! I'll be off my lunch in 30 min.

-Brian

FUCK GNC bro....WAY WAY overpriced, search online for your supplements, dpsnutrition has MUCH beter prices

 

[humble]

FUCK GNC bro....WAY WAY overpriced, search online for your supplements, dpsnutrition has MUCH beter prices

check your pms