Nelson's opinion on milk

[mt]

Because of your advice I actually found a supplement that I could really feel a difference. That's BAC's Avena Setiva. I like the powdered form since I have several shakes a day and with all the crap I mix in it I don't even taste the Avena. Plus the powdered form is so inexpensive.

I've heard so many conflicting views on milk. Some say it's a great source of protein and calories when bulking and others say it the nector of the devil and will only make you bloated, fat and oozing with phlegm. What's your opinion?

 

[wyld1g]

Milk is for babies!

 

[slobberknocker]

What's Nelson's opinion on my shoes? Their 12.5, wide, Reebox. White, with a blue stripe.

 

[psychedout]

Some people swear by milk, others don't..... it shall be interesting to here some peoples opinions.

Personally I have 2-3 glasses a day, and I love it. Makes breakfast, lunch, and dinner go down smoother.

 

[nautica]

Milk is almost completely undigestable in adult humans. As infants we have enzymes that will breakdown milk which is essential for growth. As we age we loose these enzymes, rendering milk completely useless.

Can you think of another species that drinks milk after infancy??? I dont think so.

As stated earlier - "milk is for babies."

The only and I repeat the only benefit one could recieve from milk would be calcium and that is only if it is fortified with vitamin D for absorbtion. A much better choice would be green leafy vegatables.

Sorry Nelson - for taking your thread.
Nautica

 

[mt]

Milk is almost completely undigestable in adult humans. As infants we have enzymes that will breakdown milk which is essential for growth. As we age we loose these enzymes, rendering milk completely useless.

Can you think of another species that drinks milk after infancy??? I dont think so.

As stated earlier - "milk is for babies."

The only and I repeat the only benefit one could recieve from milk would be calcium and that is only if it is fortified with vitamin D for absorbtion. A much better choice would be green leafy vegatables.

Sorry Nelson - for taking your thread.
Nautica

If it's almost completely undigestable then how can you get fat from it? It should go right through you. Didn't the BB's of old thrive on the stuff? The mantra use to be: Squats+Milk=Mass. I don't know any other animals in nature that drink milk after infancy but that may be because they can't get it. Cats love milk. Besides, what animals eat cheese or tofu or ice cream? As humans we can manipulate our foods and it's availability in ways that animals cannot. Isn't whey and casein protein from milk? What enzymes do we lose as adults that prevent us from digesting milk and has this been scientifically established? I mean it's still just protein, carbs and fats. Which one of these macro-nutrients cannot be digested and why?

Not trying to start a fight but I hear so many conflicting views that it's hard to figure out the truth.

 

[mt]

Sorry Nelson - for taking your thread.
Nautica

Not meant to be just Nelson's thread. There's whole lot of knowlegeable people on this board and I'm very interested in what everyone has to say. Sometimes you just can't beat real world experience.

 

[swampmoose]

Whatever...


people on this board.

here is your answer......

some people like milk, some people like milk but cant drink it,
some people dont like milk. there you go.

if you get real bad gas from drinking milk...dont drink it.

 

[white boy]

What's Nelson's opinion on my shoes? Their 12.5, wide, Reebox. White, with a blue stripe.

post a pic, I think I used to have a pair just like em

some people have a problem with digesting lactose (milk sugar)
I don't, but I have to watch my carbs in my old age. I used to drink at least 1/2 g a day

 

[Ziro]

I was a big milk drinker for most of my life (29 yrs) until I talked to a few people about why I kept getting sick. I was catching colds, the flu and just feeling run down. Recently I switched over to soy milk, but don't drink nearly as much of that as i did regular milk. I haven't been sick or felt like crap since I stopped. Not only do i think I'm lactose intolerant, I think there is something in the milk that made me more subject to illnesses. It worked for me to switch over and now if i have any milk its just not appealing anymore like it used to be. I've also dropped a decent amount of bf since i switched.

 

[mt]

Ziro, did you also drop all dairy products like cheese and ice-cream?

 

[40butpumpin]

I was a big milk drinker for most of my life (29 yrs) until I talked to a few people about why I kept getting sick. I was catching colds, the flu and just feeling run down. Recently I switched over to soy milk, but don't drink nearly as much of that as i did regular milk. I haven't been sick or felt like crap since I stopped. Not only do i think I'm lactose intolerant, I think there is something in the milk that made me more subject to illnesses. It worked for me to switch over and now if i have any milk its just not appealing anymore like it used to be. I've also dropped a decent amount of bf since i switched.

I gave up milk for quite a while (>1yr) and I began to get sick a lot (colds mainly). On a whim I started drinking it again and I stopped getting sick as frequently. So that should add to the controversy. But I've pondered this question so many times; "does it really do a body good"? One thing is for sure, it sure is satisfying. I love milk, and unless someone comes out with a very good reason why I shouldn't drink it, I GOT MILK!

 

[nautica]

If it's almost completely undigestable then how can you get fat from it? It should go right through you. Didn't the BB's of old thrive on the stuff? The mantra use to be: Squats+Milk=Mass. I don't know any other animals in nature that drink milk after infancy but that may be because they can't get it. Cats love milk. Besides, what animals eat cheese or tofu or ice cream? As humans we can manipulate our foods and it's availability in ways that animals cannot. Isn't whey and casein protein from milk? What enzymes do we lose as adults that prevent us from digesting milk and has this been scientifically established? I mean it's still just protein, carbs and fats. Which one of these macro-nutrients cannot be digested and why?

Not trying to start a fight but I hear so many conflicting views that it's hard to figure out the truth.

Ohh, I'm sorry. You are going for the FAT look. Well Milk should work just fine.

Nautica

 

[IlliniBB]

milk helps prevent osteoporosis

 

[mt]

Ohh, I'm sorry. You are going for the FAT look. Well Milk should work just fine.

Nautica

Not going for the fat look but wondering what you meant by milk being undigestable.

 

[nautica]

As stated for adult humans lack certain enzymes which aid in the digestion of milk. So whether you like milk or not - that is up to you. If it is calcium you are after, go for green leafy vegatables. If it is protein you are after find the beef. But if it is fat you are after - then milk is your answer.

· Rennin is the enzyme for milk coagulation, acting on milk casein by producing a gel-like mass, in preparation for the protein digestion by pepsin.5

· Gastric lipase degrades fats eventually to fatty acids and glycerol, operating in conjunction with bile (an emulsifying agent) after the chyme (the liquid feed) leaves the stomach and reaches the small intestine. Feed chyme is moved through the compound stomach and abomasum in peristaltic waves of contraction. Some movement is also attributed to reticular actions that lift the body of the abomasum by virtue of its thin muscular attachment. The acidity of the abomasal contents usually remains close to pH of 3.5

Nautica

 

[Bishop4]

1% milk and low-fat nilla wafers....yummy!

 

[_Yossarian_]

now Im all confused. Nautica, are you saying my body can't utilize the protien in milk? Im lactose intolerant, but still drink 4 glasses of fat free chocolate a day with lactaid to help digestion. I do this for both the caloric content and the 80 grams of protien. It's like the perfect shake, only...its not a shake! what could be sweeter??

 

[Singleton]

For your plain 'ol milk milk:

The cows are separated from their calves at an early age, kept in barns, and milked by machines. They are given GH (bGH) so that they will produce more milk. The GH causes infection, so the cows are given antibiotics.

It's pretty sad perversion of nature when you think about it.

I like milk, so I buy the hormone free milk grown locally. Better for the cows

 

[nautica]

milk helps prevent osteoporosis

Milk does NOT help prevent osteoporosis. Calcium helps prevent or at least slow the progression of osteoporosis. But there are much much better forms of calcium.

First of all calcium can not be absorbed by the body unless vitamin is present - that is why they now add vit D to milk - but the calcium in milk still does not compare to the calcium in green leafy vegtables or even fish bones.

Nautica

 

[nautica]

now Im all confused. Nautica, are you saying my body can't utilize the protien in milk? Im lactose intolerant, but still drink 4 glasses of fat free chocolate a day with lactaid to help digestion. I do this for both the caloric content and the 80 grams of protien. It's like the perfect shake, only...its not a shake! what could be sweeter??

Seems like your are also going for the fat look. Would you like a cheesburger with that shake???

Nautica

 

[white boy]

I gave up milk for quite a while (>1yr) and I began to get sick a lot (colds mainly). On a whim I started drinking it again and I stopped getting sick as frequently. So that should add to the controversy. But I've pondered this question so many times; "does it really do a body good"? One thing is for sure, it sure is satisfying. I love milk, and unless someone comes out with a very good reason why I shouldn't drink it, I GOT MILK!

I agree 100%
but the carbs, so I looked into lactose free milk, thinking no lactose, no carbs, but what I found out was "lactose free" means they reduce the lactose (not by much)and add "lactaid" whch is the enzyme lactose intolerant people are lacking

I think it would be the perfect food if they would remove all the milk sugar (lactose) and just add sucralose for sweetener

And to add to the controversy milk does not run down your immune system, I think that is something peta came up with

 

[DaBullDawg]

Do adults have problems digesting other dairy based proteins like cottage cheese and cheese?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Some people have a hard time digesting milk, others don't. Some take "lactaid" along with it and are fine.

The thing is this: milk protein isn't indigestable, but it does take a long time to digest, which is good and bad. Bad, because it lays in your stomach -- good because the nutrients are released slowly, making it somewhat anti-caatabolic.

Milk, like all dairy can smooth you out, so if you're cutting it isn't a great choice but I think milk is excellant if you're on a bulking program. Mixing your protein shakes with whole milk works like a charm for growth. After all, it is natures "growth food." Some people will say it makes them fat but if you're an ectomorph, it shouldn't be a problem.

Milk also contains lactoferrin, colostrum (tiny bit) and is pretty high in BCAA's. And if you want to believe what Rheo Blair said, lactose is the ultimate carb since it's animal in origin as well as highly insulogenic which forces ntrients into the bloodstream very effectively. (Another reason it causes growth?)


Besides, what else are you going to wash down the Detour bars with?

 

[mt]

Well, I'm a long suffering ecto and looking for ways to up the cals. I can only eat so much. Getting the cals in in liquid form is a lot easier. I guess a whey protein shake with milk would be ideal before bed since the slow release nutrients of milk would be less catabolic during the long over night fast (I haven't warmed up to the notion of setting my alarm at 3:00 AM for a protein shake). And as far as milk making you fat I still would think that it would depend on the overall caloric intake versus caloric expenditure.

 

[Bishop4]

Some people have a hard time digesting milk, others don't. Some take "lactaid" along with it and are fine.

The thing is this: milk protein isn't indigestable, but it does take a long time to digest, which is good and bad. Bad, because it lays in your stomach -- good because the nutrients are released slowly, making it somewhat anti-caatabolic.

Milk, like all dairy can smooth you out, so if you're cutting it isn't a great choice but I think milk is excellant if you're on a bulking program. Mixing your protein shakes with whole milk works like a charm for growth. After all, it is natures "growth food." Some people will say it makes them fat but if you're an ectomorph, it shouldn't be a problem.

Milk also contains lactoferrin, colostrum (tiny bit) and is pretty high in BCAA's. And if you want to believe what Rheo Blair said, lactose is the ultimate carb since it's animal in origin as well as highly insulogenic which forces ntrients into the bloodstream very effectively. (Another reason it causes growth?)


Besides, what else are you going to wash down the Detour bars with?

yeah, for real. a u-turn bar w/o milk just isn't right. but i do use milk (1%) during cutting. maybe one cup a day if that. i doubt it hurts me much, since i focus on my caloric intake and keep it in check.

 

[Ziro]

mt, Recently I've cut back on the cheese and ice cream. I actually switched over to soy icecream too. I never was a big cheese fan, but the amount of milk i drank was much greater than my cheese and ice cream combined.

 

[galaxy]

I like milk for bulking and rely on it heavily especially Hershey Chocolate Milk. 1000 cals and 32g protein in a quart. I have a hard time putting on weight BTW. I do hate the phlegm though..........galaxy

 

[IlliniBB]

Milk does NOT help prevent osteoporosis.

So all those damn billboards i see on the highway are lying to me?

 

[JG1]

I never drink it....smooths me out big time

 

[Bishop4]

I like milk for bulking and rely on it heavily especially Hershey Chocolate Milk. 1000 cals and 32g protein in a quart. I have a hard time putting on weight BTW. I do hate the phlegm though..........galaxy

that guy in the avatar has a hard time gaining weight?

 

[sk*]

Nautica,

Are you also saying the protein in the milk can't be digested or I am misunderstanding?

-sk

 

[Tiervexx]

Nautica,

Are you also saying the protein in the milk can't be digested or I am misunderstanding?

-sk

Exactly.

Many people can't digest the lactose but you can still use the protein and fat.

 

[bowling ball nutz]

milk after it is pasteurized,(cooked to kill of all bacteria) is void of all the vitamins and nutrients that help our body to digest milk, also in the U.S. we are the ones who drink the most milk(got milk?) and other countries dont have near the problems with osteoperosis as we do and guess what? They dont drink near the same amount of milk

 

[_Yossarian_]

Seems like your are also going for the fat look. Would you like a cheesburger with that shake???

Nautica

as a matter of fact, yes, I would.


Btw, my post said FAT FREE chocolate milk.

 

[40butpumpin]

...void of all the vitamins and nutrients that help our body to digest milk,...

umm, what does that mean?

 

[Tiervexx]

milk after it is pasteurized,(cooked to kill of all bacteria) is void of all the vitamins and nutrients that help our body to digest milk, also in the U.S. we are the ones who drink the most milk(got milk?) and other countries dont have near the problems with osteoperosis as we do and guess what? They dont drink near the same amount of milk

it is true that some vitamins are damaged by that. Yet another reason why we should iradiate it intead. But we won't because we are too damn dumb.

 

[bunkka]

some people like milk, some people like milk but cant drink it,
some people dont like milk. there you go.

And some people don't know where they are and don't care. Some people don't know where they are and DO care. Some people know where they are and care, but don't drink.

(NOBODY will get this reference).

 

[white boy]

And some people don't know where they are and don't care. Some people don't know where they are and DO care. Some people know where they are and care, but don't drink.

(NOBODY will get this reference).

And some people won't care

 

[DeepZenPill]

I drink human milk ONLY.

 

[Swolenpecs]

Damn, im way below my daily protein level. What does soy milk taste like? and is Soy milk ok??

 

[gtrcivic]

I can credit milk to most of my weight gain in college. Would drink 4 glasses of milk for lunch/dinner. Stopped drinking after college for 3 yrs and became lactose intolerant.. Then started drinking milk again and don't have a problem with it.. Usually drink it 2x /day with my protein powder for shakes....

 

[nautica]

Milk does NOT help prevent osteoporosis.

So all those damn billboards i see on the highway are lying to me?

Do you believe every used car add???

They are playing on the fact that calcium will help prevent osteoporosis. Which is true but there are much much better forms of calcium. And calcium alone will not help prevent osteoporosis.

It is like saying that a bowl of cheerio's every morning will lower cholesteral.

Nautica

 

[nautica]

Nautica,

Are you also saying the protein in the milk can't be digested or I am misunderstanding?

-sk

I am not saying it can NOT be digested, b/c we still have the enzyme pepsin in our digestive system. But without rennin and lipase it takes much longer.

If your goal is to put weight on - there is nothing wrong with milk. In fact the added calories will be great. All I am saying is that there are much better forms of protein and calcium without all of the fat.

Nautica

 

[Lift Chief]

I am not saying it can NOT be digested, b/c we still have the enzyme pepsin in our digestive system. But without rennin and lipase it takes much longer.

If your goal is to put weight on - there is nothing wrong with milk. In fact the added calories will be great. All I am saying is that there are much better forms of protein and calcium without all of the fat.

Nautica

Isn't the fact that milk protein takes so long to digest the reason it is such a good protein source. Long acting proteins provide a constant stream of protein to muscle cells as opposed to something like whey protein which is much faster.

Which is why whey protein is better for post workout when you're looking for protein quickly... and milk or animal based protein is better for most other times as it will stay in your system longer and therefore provide you more benefit.

 

[Silent Method]

Some people have a hard time digesting milk, others don't. Some take "lactaid" along with it and are fine.

The thing is this: milk protein isn't indigestable, but it does take a long time to digest, which is good and bad. Bad, because it lays in your stomach -- good because the nutrients are released slowly, making it somewhat anti-caatabolic.

Milk, like all dairy can smooth you out, so if you're cutting it isn't a great choice but I think milk is excellant if you're on a bulking program. Mixing your protein shakes with whole milk works like a charm for growth. After all, it is natures "growth food." Some people will say it makes them fat but if you're an ectomorph, it shouldn't be a problem.

Milk also contains lactoferrin, colostrum (tiny bit) and is pretty high in BCAA's. And if you want to believe what Rheo Blair said, lactose is the ultimate carb since it's animal in origin as well as highly insulogenic which forces ntrients into the bloodstream very effectively. (Another reason it causes growth?)


Besides, what else are you going to wash down the Detour bars with?

Ditto, good post.


Milk is certainly not "completely <in>digestible," but it does go through a fairly unique process after consumption. This is the source of much of the milk digestion controversy. In part, it literally rots in the gut. Sounds pretty bad, huh? The truth is that this process amps up the positive bacteria in your gut necessary for optimal digestion of foods.

Some people know outright that they are lactose intolerant and simply cannot tolerate milk without an aid. However, many are sensitive to lactose but fail to realize they have a milk allergy. If so, and cramps, gas, and bloating are not major symptoms, a smooth and soft appearance of the physique is to be expected.

 

[bazuka]

I thnk milk is a great source of protien and carbs and fat. There are people who cannot handle milk, that being the case find another source. I will continue to drink milk and so will my kids.

 

[Vageta]

Since we're on the milk issue what are everyone's thoughts on Lactaid? I don't mean the pills you pop when you drink milk, but the actual milk that's had the lactose removed? I just started to notice I'm becoming lactose intolerant at the age of 30 so I started looking for options. Found this kind of milk and it tastes the same and it doesn't cause me any GI problems so I'm in love with it.

I'm curious though if they remove the lactose then what type of sugar is left in it? And what type of GI does the milk now have because of that? The only dowside of this milk that I can find thus far is the price is a bit more than regular milk. However I don't drink it by the gallon so I don't go through them all that quickly.

 

[Singleton]

Damn, im way below my daily protein level. What does soy milk taste like? and is Soy milk ok??

Personally, I love it. The american Soy Milk is much sweeter than the Chinese stuff, but I like both.

Everyone I know thinks it's fucking gross tasting, not just "okay" or "not that good," they really hate it.

Try out a small container to see if you like it.

You can get a lot of protein from egg whites. Eggs + wheat is complimentary protein, meaning that the amino acid profiles of the two combined is more suited for the needs of humans.

Also, soy milk and millk are complimentary, so go ahead and mix 'em up.

COMPLIMENTARY PLANT PROTEIN COMBINATIONS
http://www.moondragon.org/nutrition/nutritionguide3.html

 

[eviction]

Has anybody tried the new oatmeal cream pie diet???

 

[nautica]

I didn't know there were so many milk lovers on this board. I have'nt caused this much reaction since I told a friend of mine that her kid was ugly. Go figure.


Things to avoid on this board.
1) Rec drugs
2) post about drinking winny
3) Flames
4) MILK

and not neccesarily in that order.

Nautica

 

[rvd_brock]

[No message]

 

[Becoming]

And some people don't know where they are and don't care. Some people don't know where they are and DO care. Some people know where they are and care, but don't drink.

(NOBODY will get this reference).

Bunka- This is a mission of extrodinary magnitude!

 

[Jumpman3451]

I drink milk to get my extra calories and protein. Personally, I don't have a problem with digesting it or getting fat off it. I drink 1 gallon of skim milk a day. Yummmm, just can't get enough!

 

[mt]

Ditto, good post.


Milk is certainly not "completely <in>digestible," but it does go through a fairly unique process after consumption. This is the source of much of the milk digestion controversy. In part, it literally rots in the gut. Sounds pretty bad, huh? The truth is that this process amps up the positive bacteria in your gut necessary for optimal digestion of foods.

I read that "rotten milk" is how they got yogurt.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

I likes my milk in big ole titties.

 

[Euriskan]

They should change the slogan to Milk makes your body smooth. I cut dairy products from my diet, no milk, whey protein, cottage cheese and it has made the difference in my physique. Not sure if there's a correlation, but my skin seems to have cleared up also.

You all can drink your milk and go for the bloated look, but I wont be adding dairy to my diet any time soon.

 

[sk*]

Always heard that milk makes you smooth, and sorta experienced it too. Anyone know how it works? Why does dairy smooth you out?

-sk

 

[JG1]

Always heard that milk makes you smooth, and sorta experienced it too. Anyone know how it works? Why does dairy smooth you out?

-sk

I *think* it's due to the galactose in milk.

 

[40butpumpin]

They should change the slogan to Milk makes your body smooth. I cut dairy products from my diet, no milk, whey protein, cottage cheese and it has made the difference in my physique. Not sure if there's a correlation, but my skin seems to have cleared up also.

You all can drink your milk and go for the bloated look, but I wont be adding dairy to my diet any time soon.

what kind of protein do you use?

 

[trinidad]

if you get real bad gas from drinking milk...dont drink it.

All the reason to drink it!

 

[mt]

Always heard that milk makes you smooth, and sorta experienced it too. Anyone know how it works? Why does dairy smooth you out?

-sk

Getting "smooth" unless I'm mistaken, means you are either holding water or getting fat. Getting fat is calorie dependent so milk, in and of itself, won't get you fat. I mean, if your total caloric intake consist of 4 cups of milk a day you'll probably lose weight and not smooth out. If milk does make you smooth maybe there's something in it that causes you to retain subcutaneous water.

 

[easy]

I likes my milk in big ole titties.

 

[Koivu_11]

I have'nt caused this much reaction since I told a friend of mine that her kid was ugly.

Well that was not very smart!

 

[JKurz1]

It's a staple in 95% of the pro's diets.........keep pounding!