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Nelson vs. Mr. X (milk question)

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Fonz said:


Its called Lactaid. It tastes much better than normal milk IMO.

Fonz

Because it's sweeter than normal milk because the lactose has been broken down into simpler sugars.

As for the comment on being practical, imo my approach is the most practical. I am not trying to convert anybody over to anything, nor will I do your research for you. I have researched the hell out of nutrition, training, and endocrinology. Once I have done research, all I care about is the conclusion.

And that conclusion is...soy is poison.
 
only reason I would say no milk in a p w/o shake...

(read somethign about this on another site)
Homogenized skim milk still slows digestion due to casein and lactose bonding to stomach walls, decreasing effective surface area for whey to pass through... the longer the whey sits in the stomach, the more aminos are destroyed... thus, b/c you want your whey to be absorbed as quickly as possible, as is its nature... stick with water. All other times of the day, *despite the sugar, I think milk has some very valid applications
 
First off, I would like to apologize for the late response, for I don’t check the Anabolic board often enough – diet board mostly.

To answer the question, I would have to not generalize milk as being the god of all evil, but I would rather give you, the reader, the ability to judge for yourself whether you think milk is appropriate for you. Keep in mind that my opinions are biased for I am a big opponent of drinking “modern” milk. By definition, “modern” milk is milk that is produced from non-organic cows.

Where does milk come from?
Milk is a product that is these days produced from “super” cows; by definition, these cows are usually drugged to the maximum, anything from steroids to antibiotics is what keeps them alive. In fact, most of these “super” cows have “abnormally large pituitary glands so that they produce three times more milk than the old fashioned scrub cow.” (1) Although abnormal steroid, growth hormone and antibiotic intake might sound ok to us; in reality, it can cause problems with the end product – milk. Think of it this way; ever see a 12 year old girl w/ DD breasts, ask her how much milk has she been drinking? It’s a known fact that some of these hormones that are given to cows can pass the pasteurization process and harm us. Yes, a ton of antibiotics can be harmful.
(1) http://www.mercola.com/article/milk/no_milk.htm

PASTEURIZATION
When “super” cow milk is pasteurized, most of the enzymes for digesting the milk – most notably, lactase, galactase, and phosphatase – are destroyed. Thus, without the highly needed enzymes, the milk is very hard to digest. In fact, the pancreas is not always able to produce these enzymes; in turn, the long term stress on the pancreas can lead to diabetes and other diseases. (2)
(2) American Diabetes Association: http://www.diabetes.org


VITAMINS
Most milk has synthetic vitamin D added; as a result, synthetic vitamin D has been known to be toxic to the liver (3), and it is added to replace the natural vitamin D complex in butterfat…..
(3) http://www.brandywinechiropractic.com/vitamins/vitamind.htm


MILK AND INDIGESTION:
Definition
Indigestion, which is sometimes called dyspepsia, is a general term covering a group of nonspecific symptoms in the digestive tract. It is often described as a feeling of fullness, bloating, nausea, heartburn, or gassy discomfort in the chest or abdomen. The symptoms develop during meals or shortly afterward. In most cases, indigestion is a minor problem that often clears up without professional treatment.
Description
Indigestion or dyspepsia is a widespread condition, estimated to occur in 25% of the adult population of the United States. Most people with indigestion do not feel sick enough to see a doctor; nonetheless, it is a common reason for office visits. About 3% of visits to primary care doctors are for indigestion.
Causes and symptoms
Physical causes
The symptoms associated with indigestion have a variety of possible physical causes, ranging from commonplace food items to serious systemic disorders:
• Diet. Milk, milk products, alcoholic beverages, tea, and coffee cause indigestion in some people because they stimulate the stomach's production of acid…..
Ref: http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/indigestion.html


At this point, it’s a little late my time, so I’m off to bed, but here is some other reading that can be helpful in your decision not to drink milk. Also, remember, I am not saying do not, under any circumstances, drink milk – only a blind fool would recommend that, all I’m saying is that milk is not the best product to go with for your diet. Personally, as stated beforehand, I am a big opponent of milk and consider it a big waste of money, and stomach space.

Readings:
http://www.ejnet.org/bgh/nogood.html
White Poison: The Horrors of Milk: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12002

Mr.X
 
Before I go, I just thought of a great quote by Arnold:

"Milk is for babies....!"

Mr.X
 
I do love milk and milk products, and will continue to drink them. But ... it is true ... Humans are the only species who drink Milk after infancy. Kind of makes you wonder if we really should still be drinking this.

I had posted this on the previous argument. Its an article I have read on whether you should mix your whey protein with Milk or not. Take what you want from it ... I always mix with a dextrose based mix ... sometimes crystal light.

Mixing whey with dairy milk does not provide optimal results

At first, it may seem strange to learn that whey protein should not be mixed in milk or milk products like yogurt and ice cream. After all, most whey protein supplements taste better in milk than in water and whey protein is obtained by collecting the clear fluid (called whey) produced during the processing of cheese.

But let’s consider some of the following facts:

The enzymes necessary to break down and digest milk are renin and lactase. They are all but gone by the age of three in most humans.
There is an element in all milk known as casein and there is three hundred times more casein in cow’s milk than in human’s milk. Casein coagulates in the stomach and forms large, tough, dense, difficult-to-digest curds that are adapted to the four-stomach digestive apparatus of a cow. Once inside the human system, this thick mass of goo puts a tremendous burden on the body to somehow get rid of it.
Unfortunately some of this gooey substance hardens and adheres to the lining of the intestines and prevents the absorption of nutrients into the body.
The most serious difficulty with milk consumption is the formation of mucus in the system. This mucus coats the mucous membranes and also seriously affects absorption.
To fully understand why whey protein supplements should not be mixed with milk, this knowledge should be combined with a review of the technology that goes into high quality whey protein supplements. Whey protein isolate, a highly separated fraction found only in top quality products, is very expensive and has an extremely high bioavailability (meaning it is very easily utilized by the body) because its particle sizes are so small. Whey protein concentrate has also gone through a huge amount of separation from the original starting material and the major waste product in this procedure is casein. This casein is then sold to other companies which produce low grade products. If you were to check out the ingredients on your favorite pudding desert, for example, you will likely see sodium caseinate because it is a cheap product that provides substance.

The idea behind a high quality whey protein is particle size. Digestion is most effective when particles are small enough to be taken up by the cells of the intestine. If food is not broken down into small enough pieces the body will simply NOT be able to use it. All research on the absorption of food reaches the same conclusion: the bigger the molecule, the more difficulty it has penetrating the mucus barrier lining the intestines.

So, why not mix milk and whey protein? Milk contains a lot of casein which adheres to the intestinal wall and blocks the absorption of the smaller whey protein molecules. Also, it generates a barrier of mucus internally which not only drives down the absorption of protein, but also the absorption of other vital nutrients.

The solution? Mix your whey protein in water, your favorite juice or a non-lactose beverage such as soy milk and benefit as much as possible from your protein supplement.
 
mlong23 said:
Ceo, where did you acquire that info. It is very interesting.

I've known that info for quite some time now. I remember it from articles on trophology (the science of food combining). I did a google search to see if I could pull up info for that post and I was successful. Here is the link I got from google:

http://www.hps-online.com/food/

Check the bottom of the page on the left hand side.
 
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