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Nelson vs. Mr. X (milk question)

OK...read this, but be forewarned it IS long...but worth it.

If we look at nature, we see that the young feed exclusively on milk until weaned away from it with other foods. The natural disappearance of the milk-digesting enzyme lactase from the human system upon reaching maturity proves that adult humans have no more nutritional need for milk than adult tigers or chimpanzees.

Though milk is a complete protein food when consumed raw, it also contains fat, which means that it combines poorly with any other food except itself. Yet adults today routinely 'wash down' other foods with cold milk. Milk curdles immediately upon entering the stomach, so if there is other food present the curds coagulate around other food particles and insulate them from exposure to gastric juices, delaying digestion long enough to permit the onset of putrefaction. Therefore, the first and foremost rule of milk consumption is, 'Drink it alone, or leave it alone.'

Today, milk is made even more indigestible by the universal practice of pasteurization, which destroys its natural enzymes and alters its delicate proteins.

Raw milk contains the active enzymes lactase and lipase, which permit raw milk to digest itself. Pasteurized milk, which is devitalized of lactase and other active enzymes, simply can not be properly digested by adult stomachs, and even infants have trouble with it, as evidenced by colic, rashes, respiratory ailments, gas and other common ailments of bottle-fed babies. The lack of enzymes and alteration of vital proteins also renders the calcium and other mineral elements in milk largely unassailable.

During the 1930's, Dr. Francis M. Pottenger conducted a 10-year study on the relative effects of pasteurized and raw milk diets on 900 cats. One group received nothing but raw whole milk, while the other was fed nothing but pasteurized whole milk from the same source.

The raw milk group thrived, remaining healthy, active and alert throughout their lives, but the group fed on pasteurized milk soon became listless, confused and highly vulnerable to a host of chronic degenerative ailments normally associated with humans, including heart disease, kidney failure, thyroid dysfunction, respiratory ailments, loss of teeth, brittle bones, liver inflammation, etc.

But what caught Dr. Pottenger's attention most was what happened to the second and third generations.

The first offspring of the pasteurized milk group were all born with poor teeth and small, weak bones- a clear cut sign of calcium deficiency, which indicated lack of calcium absorption from pasteurized milk.

The offspring of the raw milk group remained as healthy as their parents.

Many of the kittens in third generation of the pasteurized group were stillborn, while those that survived were all sterile and unable to reproduce.

The experiment had to end there because there was no fourth generation of cats fed on pasteurized milk, although the raw milk group continued to breed and thrive indefinitely.

If that is insufficient proof of the ill effects of pasteurized milk, take note of the fact even that newborn calves fed on pasteurized milk taken from their own mother cows usually die within six months, a fact which the commercial dairy industry is loathe to admit.

Despite such scientific evidence in favor of raw milk and against pasteurized milk, and despite the fact that until the early twentieth century the human species thrived on raw milk, it is actually illegal to sell raw milk to consumers in all but a few states in America today.

It is far more profitable to the dairy industry to pasteurize milk to extend its shelf-life, though such denatured milk does nothing whatsoever to extend human life.

Furthermore, pasteurization renders milk from sick cows in unsanitary dairies relatively 'harmless' by killing some, but not all, dangerous germs, and this too cuts costs for the dairy industry.

It required only three generations for Dr. Pottenger's pasteurized milk fed cats to become sterile and enfeebled. That's about how many generations of Americans and Europeans have fed on pasteurized milk. Today, infertility has become a major problem for your American couples, while calcium deficiency has become so rampant that over 90 percent of all American children suffer chronic tooth decay.

To make things worse, milk is now routinely 'homogenized' to prevent the cream from separating from the milk. This involves the fragmentation and pulverization of the fat molecules to the point that they will not separate from the rest of the milk. But it also permits there tiny fragments of milk fat to easily pass through the villa of the small intestine, greatly increasing the amount of denatured fat and cholesterol absorbed by the body. In fact, you absorb more milk-fat from homogenized milk than you do from pure cream!

Women worried about osteoporosis should take note of these facts about pasteurized milk products. That such denatured milk does not deliver sufficient calcium to prevent this condition is abundantly evident from the fact that American women, who consume great quantities of pasteurized milk products, suffer the world's highest incidence of osteoporosis.

Raw cabbage, for example, supplies far more available calcium than any quantity of pasteurized milk, yogurt, cottage cheese, or any other denatured dairy product.

Recent studies at the Human Research Centre in Grand Folks, North Dakota, indicates that the element boron is also an essential factor in absorbing calcium from food and utilizing it to build bones.

Even more noteworthy, the level of estrogen in the blood of women given sufficient quantities of boron more than doubled, eliminating the need for estrogen replacement therapy, which is a common stopgap measure against osteoporosis in the West. And where do we find boron? In fresh fruits and vegetables, especially apples, pears, grapes, nuts, cabbage, and other leafy vegetables, where we also find calcium. Nature has already provided abundant sources of all the vital nutrients we need in synergetic form, but man insists on cooking and processing them to death, and then wonders why his diet doesn't 'work'.

Adults should seriously reconsider milk as a constitute of their daily diets, unless they are able to obtain raw certified milk, which is an excellent food.

To stuff children with pasteurized milk in order to make them grow 'strong and healthy' is sheer folly, because they simply cannot assimilate the nutrients.

Indeed men, women, and children alike should eliminate all pasteurized dairy products from their diets, for these denatured dairy products only gum up the intestines with layer upon layer of slimy sludge that interferes with the absorption of organic nutrients."

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Anakin, they're both complete proteins, while amino acid amounts may differe amino acid to amino acid, decide what is of importance to you, if you were referring to biological value, yes I believe cow milk has a higher biological value, however; this is only 1 factor to consider, if that was all that was important then it would be optimal to just get all your protein from whey shakes... which we know isn't the case, it's too rapidly digested.

To your other concerns about estrogenic qualities found in predominately 2 isoflavones in soy products, I made a small post about this on the diet discussion board the other week, this was just a compilation of some thoughts and studies I had on my computer, I could go into much greater detail if anyone would like.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=278301
 
ceo, thanks for that great post. I am seriously going to make an effort to get organic milk here in MI. Dang, i just drank 1/2 liter for lunch with a big roast beef chunk. :(
 
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HOLY SHIT this is the best news I have heard in quite some time no freakin wonder I can't get my BF down and drop offthis freakin fat around my stomach I live on milk practically I drink it with everything I have it in my shakes. Man I even have considered just giving up cause for like 2 months I have had almost no change in my stomach and waist size I have been dieting working out hard and doing cardio jeeeessss man I am so happy only water from here on out. I have a renewed vigor


THANKS NELSON and CEO!!!!!!!!!!
 
hah, believe it or not, I saw an ad in a magazine from US dairy council claiming it is a wise decision to replace the recommended 8 glasses of water per day with milk, and that milk helps you loose "weight" due to calcium... heck... if I added 8 glasses of milk to my diet per day, I know I wouldn't be loosing "weight" lol
 
Variation, I cannot remember all of the research I did nor all of the specific reasons why, but I remember reading the research and it was clear that soy was bad. That's how I am about research. I read, read, read some more, make the conclusion and remember that. I only go back if new info is found on something. I'm not going to retrace my steps just to try to prove to you something.

Believe it or not, do your own research or not, but soy is, and this is obviously my opinion, poison. I find it very sad that soy is touted as a healthy substitute for anything. And I'm the guy who thinks dnp isn't all that bad, lol.
 
NapoleanComplex said:
From post research:

Nelson: an advocate of milk w/ protein shake
Mr. X: avoid milk at all costs

Both have fairly good arguments. Who is correct and why?

All you have to do is avoid lactos. Just buy some lactose-free milk and you'll avoid the bloating. Thats what i do.

Fonz
 
Not a very practic approach in my opinion TxLonghorn... There are however, probably a lot of things you consume that are poisonous, you just haven't researched them. It's best not to give opinions on matters unless you're prepared to stand behind it, so something can actually be accomplished.

But yeah, I agree with you. I don't think DNP is "all that bad" when used within a certain range, like a lot of things.
 
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