Nelson, needto...lets talk EQ

[REFORMATA]

I decided this AAS is highly conducive to my goals. So, naturally I aquired some. I got plenty.

My question is twofold, in part it is one of duration. Also, regarding test shutdown and consequenses of not adding test.


My goals are to: increase my mile speed (running) as well as cycling

Also, to continue to drop bf and get well below 10 percent. A gain of 5 pounds or so LBM would be welcome. But not much more.

My diet has been crazy intense for the past 6 weeks. I've been doing a CKD rather sucessfully, and enjoying it. Staying in a 300-500 cal defecit range 6 days a week.


So lads: what will be the worst that happens if I A. Don't run test with my EQ, and 2. Only run the cycle at 300mgs a week for 12 weeks?


Please remember I'm not attempting to do a "bulker" here.

I have tossed around the idea of kickstarting with tbol. Or, running some proviron throughout.

Last thing: what anti-e should I use, and what dose?

Thanks in advance fellas

 

[Muscle Stack]

Hey Refermata I dont know why you would need and AI if you are only going to run 300mgs per week of EQ. I am sure most guys would suggest you run a low dose of Test but thats up to you. EQ is going to increase red blood cells thus increasing oxygen in your blood and giving you the desired results for your stamina. You did mention proviron and I would suggest you run that with it. Not only will this work as an AI it will free up natural test in your blood. Good luck.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Over time, the EQ will lower natural T levels and won't be androgenic enough to replace it, so you'd get diminishing returns and increased loss of libido. You wouldn't need much -- 100-200 mgs a week, followed by PCT with HCG, dex, and the supplements.

 

[REFORMATA]

Thanks fellas. Ill seriously consider that low dose of test. How would it be to start the test say, 3 weeks into the eq? Right about when my natty gets shutdown? Seems logical to me....

Nelson, I'm using your ZIP currently. Fantastic product Sir. Very well made.

 

[Peanutz26]

If you take proviron throughout your cycle then maybe you dont have the need to take test.
Proviron is good for libido. But you could add in a low dose test at week 3-5 and run it 1-2 weeks past your EQ. This is pretty mild so recovery should be easy esp with hcg.

 

[ConanX]

You probably have to eat in a calorie deficit, as 300mg of Eq may still be enough to pack on some serious size for a first cycle. Test would increase that.

I like Anavar for body recomp.

 

[BigDuke99]

I always have started EQ 6 weeks before my real cycle and ran it though out twice and both times I noticed an increase in my sex drive on EQ alone...just my opintion I think the need to run test in every cycle and continue for 2 weeks after other compounds so your dick works right is way overrated

 

[-SD-]

ive run 400mg EQ 12 weeks and put on about 7 lbs totally solid mass, no test ran. and my diet was probably just average.
you should be ok

 

[REFORMATA]

Thanks fellas. Conan this will be my 3rd official cycle, 2nd injectable. First cycle was deca 300 mg a week, dbol 50 a day, for 10 weeks. Gained a solid 25 pounds on that, and about 18 stayed.

Second was beastdrol/katana, gained a solid 17 lbs, and about 10 stayed.

I already have the eq, so ima use it. I am interested in var, I'm sure ill use that eventually.

In the fall I tend to bike a lot, so the eq should be fun for a fall cycle. And I will still be in a defecit 6 days a week.

Again, thanks a lot guys. What dose of adex should I use during/post, and, when to begin HCG administration?

Thanks fellas...

 

[ConanX]

Thanks fellas. Conan this will be my 3rd official cycle, 2nd injectable. First cycle was deca 300 mg a week, dbol 50 a day, for 10 weeks. Gained a solid 25 pounds on that, and about 18 stayed.

Second was beastdrol/katana, gained a solid 17 lbs, and about 10 stayed.

I already have the eq, so ima use it. I am interested in var, I'm sure ill use that eventually.

In the fall I tend to bike a lot, so the eq should be fun for a fall cycle. And I will still be in a defecit 6 days a week.

Again, thanks a lot guys. What dose of adex should I use during/post, and, when to begin HCG administration?

Thanks fellas...

Ah ok, sound good then bro! Enjoy the nice body recomp and extra cardio bro.

 

[Unit 2005]

Excellent choice for what you are trying to achieve. EQ produces more red blood cells and then some, endurance and speed will sky rocket. Mine did. For your goals id go with EQ alone. No need for an anti e at such a low dosage and given that equipoise is the only steroid being used you will be fine. EQ takes a long time to kick in and you will not see anything like rapid gain in mass. Given your calorie defect diet and vigorous cardio you may not see any increase on the scales, but rather a loss of fat resulting in a drop in bodyweight. If you want to see results from the start of the cycle, can id go with a 4 week kickstart using winstol. Its not a bulking drug, is great for track athletes and will kick start you off nicely. Dont go crazy on the dosage, like you are with the EQ, keep it low.


HCG starts 3 weeks after final shot. Dont bother with Adex here, use nolvadex at 40mg first 2 weeks along with your hcg, then drop to 20mg for another 2 weeks after hcg.

 

[gstacker]

My opinion run eq 5-600 and a maintenence dose of test 250mg pw and run the test from day one... Pretty basic, eq will shut dwn natural test production... It's not jus for libido either... 300mg eq not sure you'll get much out of that

 

[needtogetaas]

If you take proviron throughout your cycle then maybe you dont have the need to take test.
Proviron is good for libido. But you could add in a low dose test at week 3-5 and run it 1-2 weeks past your EQ. This is pretty mild so recovery should be easy esp with hcg.

Mis information good friend. Proviron is good for libido only in in context of the reason is being used.

If say you were running test/deca or test/tren then yes adding priveron may help.

If you were using it to free up test because it lowers shbg then yes it can also work.

However in this case you can free up as much test as you like and lower prog as much as you like and it ain't doing jack diddly if his overall test production is in the shitter. ie provs not helping on this one.

 

[needtogetaas]

Just an idea. Run dermacrine threw out the cycle. This may be just enough help in increasing test production,will keep libido high and eliminate the need for a low dose test.

 

[REFORMATA]

Thanks needto. What is it about derma that increases test? The 7 keto dhea mainly? I thought 7 keto was non-hormonal....