Nelson Montana, Supplement Pimp?

[javaguru]

Nelson, you have championed yourself as a man of the people, defending them from the claims of supplement companies. You claim validity because of your association with Biotest and how they were using their customers and how you hated being a "cog in the machine". Now you are coming out in support of protein factory's line of supps. OK, at least you advocated all of their ingredients before endorsement but aren't you still a part of the establishment?

I'll die defending the premise that once someone has a financial interest in something they lose a portion of their credibility when giving opinions about it. Do you have a financial interest in anything the factory sells? The answer will be yes because he sells his book from their site, even if he has no kickback from the supps. Now, at least be up front and honest with your pimping of their supplements. Nobody will deny you the right to make a living by helping sell products you believe in, but at least be honest about it. In some way shape or form you are once again part of the "establishment."

This is in no way a flame against you as you have brought a lot to this board and bodybuilding and I give you props for it. Just my .02

 

[The Terminator]

I'll die defending the premise that once someone has a financial interest in something they lose a portion of their credibility when giving opinions about it.

This point seems to come up about a fair percentage of members here...

 

[muscleup]

Well if you really wanted to look at it from a different perspective. I quess you could say that ALL consumers are part of the establishment, as if it were not for the consumer there would be no establishment...I honestly think that Nelson uses and promotes these supps because they work...Hell, if I could make money off of it I would to...

 

[liquidmuscle]

would you rather it be from a credible source or a average joe who just board hops with no interest in helping just making $$$$$

 

[Shark01]

If you guys want to see yet another side of Montana, go to the supplement section of bodybuilding dot com, for a thread of Protein Factory vs Protein Customizer. After getting slammed pretty hard for pimping PF, he signed on himself as an alias to prop himself up Even commented about how good he looks (Nelson as a 3rd party describing Nelson) and got busted by the mods

Slight credibility...........down the drain

 

[Nelson Montana]

I understand the scepticism and it's a tough call. Over the years I've saved people tons of money and even made money for companies like BAC with no compensation. When I was approached by PF and asked "What's good?" I told then, and explained why. To then recommend those products seems pretty obvious. I don't see that as selling out. As a mtter of fact, I was recently offered a chance to have my book on a site that would generate a lot of traffic and increase sales twofold as long as I would trade links with the other site. But the site sold a product that felt was completely bogus and I refuse to be associated with it. I want to make money, but I want to do it on my terms and that means believing in what I promote.


Another case in point. Biotest recently changed their Tribex formula. They no longer list the avena coside %. They just say "pharmeceutical grade." What the fuck is that?!?! There's no pharmaceutical standard for avena. If PF ever did something like that, I'd denounce them in a heart beat!


As far as BB.com, that was a total lark. The people there are incredibly clueless. The residant steroid guru is a tennager who never used steroids. They ask questions like, "Can I stack ZMA with deca?' (Seriously) They worship two people who are nothing but supplement salesmen -- one of which gives advice on growing muscle, yet admits he doesn't work out! (???) They would be laughed off this board. At first I tried to reason wih them but realizing it was futile I just started fucking with them -- doing and saying anything just to annoy them. Of course I knew they know that alter ego was me! : ) You can see that the registration was brand new! Maybe it wasn't cool but I had such contempt at that point I didn't care and was playing around. I dont consider that board significant and don't take them seriously. But breaking balls can be fun sometimes.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Protein factory is not a true suppliment company that tries to scam you with crap and then overcharges for it. They custom make protien to your SPECIFICATIONS (50% ion-exchange whey/50% calcium casientate with coca for flavor and splendora for sweatener for example) and a cheap price. They do not make claims about their product being the best, they just ask, "What do you want us to blend up for you." then make it, and do it at a reasonable price.

 

[Him1]

Protein factory is not a true suppliment company that tries to scam you with crap and then overcharges for it. They custom make protien to your SPECIFICATIONS (50% ion-exchange whey/50% calcium casientate with coca for flavor and splendora for sweatener for example) and a cheap price. They do not make claims about their product being the best, they just ask, "What do you want us to blend up for you." then make it, and do it at a reasonable price.

Thats a really good point. But, hasn't the quality of their supplements been called into question in the past after lab tests?

 

[bigsonrising]

Hmmm, I'm not takin sides here, but from that BB.com crap and the lab tests (although I don't think that ANY product is flawless) it does provide some insight...

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I don't read that board. So not familiar with what bb.com has said about anything. I've not had an issue with PF though. Their products seem to be what I order, in term of my blood glucose level, level of ketosis etc after using. So their whey isolates are clearly not high lactose concentrates or anything like that.

 

[bigsonrising]

well, i wasnt either, but since java blew nelson's spot up i decided to check it out, pretty rough....

 

[Nelson Montana]

Then again, the lactose in casien can't be totally discounted. There are advantages to lactose being a carb from animal origin. It's highly insulogenic so adding it to a post workout shake may not be a bad idea. The problem of course is that it's tough to diges, but taking lactase with it along digestive enzymes helps.

 

[Dial_tone]

Thats a really good point. But, hasn't the quality of their supplements been called into question in the past after lab tests?

I believe what was questioned was whether their protein blends were accurate, which is different from them having less total protein or something.

 

[Chicken Dog]

I think it is wise for EVERYONE to realize that this board is not here for the general enjoyment of the gym rats of the world. There are MANY business (read $$$) related angles to every aspect of the board. In many ways it's not all that different to the supplement catalogues (some people call them bobybuilding magazines).

Not that any of this is evil, it's the Amercian way. Just good to keep in mind when evaluating anyone's claims to any any product.

 

[bigsonrising]

well, the link to the results is on bb.com, see for yourselves, like i said, i dont except 100% from anyone, its just useful knowledge

 

[paramuscle]

Can't we all just get along? Who gives a shit if he makes money off it, everybody should be doing research for themselves and making descisions based on lots of different sources. If they offered me money to use the supps. and I liked them, I'd sell them the piss out of them. Which supplement company actually tells the truth? They got guys who weigh 260 contest, standing there and claiming that these supps made them this big. Bullshit, we all know who uses and who doesn't. Does that make all the pros sellouts? I believe if you want to endorse them, go for it. personally I don't put much faith in ANY of that shit. But then again, some people say I'm carzy.

 

[Juice Authority]

Nelson, you have championed yourself as a man of the people, defending them from the claims of supplement companies. You claim validity because of your association with Biotest and how they were using their customers and how you hated being a "cog in the machine". Now you are coming out in support of protein factory's line of supps. OK, at least you advocated all of their ingredients before endorsement but aren't you still a part of the establishment?

I'll die defending the premise that once someone has a financial interest in something they lose a portion of their credibility when giving opinions about it. Do you have a financial interest in anything the factory sells? The answer will be yes because he sells his book from their site, even if he has no kickback from the supps. Now, at least be up front and honest with your pimping of their supplements. Nobody will deny you the right to make a living by helping sell products you believe in, but at least be honest about it. In some way shape or form you are once again part of the "establishment."

This is in no way a flame against you as you have brought a lot to this board and bodybuilding and I give you props for it. Just my .02

I'm not sure who approached who but Nelson has been a strong advocate of the ingredients in the products The Protein Factory makes and sells long before it was introduced in product form. I used to give Nelson a lot of shit about promoting his book but the more I get to know the guy I think the financial interest with Nelson is secondary. I believe Nelson truly loves the vocation he's in and really wants to help people above the money aspect. If he can make a living doing what he loves to do and helps people in the process then more power to him. It's not easy making a buck in the supplement world. It's a highly competitive industry and barriers to entry are strong.

 

[paramuscle]

DITTO !

 

[silver_shadow]

i don't see what the fuss is abt- i mean nelson has to earn a living too like all of us. in any case- whats wrong with being part of the establishment when a part of it is not necessarily bad. isn't it stupid to be anti-establishment for the sake of it without any rationale. and PF rates seem to be unbeatable.

 

[variation]

nothin but respect for Nelson here...

He sells a book, and recommends protein factories product that is based on his ideas...

and I believe I've seen him say you can go purchase these ingredients seperately if you wish from BAC, but protein factory sells it capped already for a pretty much equal price, so might as well get it from them.

Unlike a lot of people in this industry for profit, I've seen none like Nelson and Ulter, Macro for that matter.. that are on elite giving out advice to the best of their knowledge almost daily.. if not daily..

 

[liftsiron]

I'm not sure who approached who but Nelson has been a strong advocate of the ingredients in the products The Protein Factory makes and sells long before it was introduced in product form. I used to give Nelson a lot of shit about promoting his book but the more I get to know the guy I think the financial interest with Nelson is secondary. I believe Nelson truly loves the vocation he's in and really wants to help people above the money aspect. If he can make a living doing what he loves to do and helps people in the process then more power to him. It's not easy making a buck in the supplement world. It's a highly competitive industry and barriers to entry are strong.

I agree, if you truly believe that a product is good, promote it.

 

[kronk]

Nelson - - Quick question. Are you involved with the supplements at PF in any way at all? Meaning are they yours? Do you profit off of their sale in anyway? Do have any rights to them at all?

I am really just curious, thats all and thought I would ask. Thanks.

 

[tanjhj]

dudez, if nelson does get profit from pf, do u think he would say it out??? plz spare me the pain i get from laughing my ass off.

anyway i believe in viewing from many sides before making judgement. why dun u guys go to bb.com to read the thread he or uther or other ppl whu flame them post before making ur judgement.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Actually, it's a pretty informal arrangment. Alex and I worked out some compensation (mostly in supplements) for my involvement in developing the formulas and providing techinal assistance and advice along the way. But it's their baby. In return for my endorsement of the line we do have an agreement that the formulas will not be changed or sold to another company without my expressed consent. That's about it.

 

[kronk]

Actually, it's a pretty informal arrangement. Alex and I worked out some compensation (mostly in supplements) for my involvement in developing the formulas and providing techinal assistance and advice along the way. But it's their baby. In return for my endorsement of the line we do have an agreement that the formulas will not be changed or sold to another company without my expressed consent. That's about it.

OK, cool I was just wondering. Wow, so you developed the formulas gave them assistance, and then agrees to endorse them. Nice that they cant sell them to anyone w/o your consent.

Thanks for the post, I was just curious. Peace

 

[Juice Authority]

Actually, it's a pretty informal arrangment. Alex and I worked out some compensation (mostly in supplements) for my involvement in developing the formulas and providing techinal assistance and advice along the way. But it's their baby. In return for my endorsement of the line we do have an agreement that the formulas will not be changed or sold to another company without my expressed consent. That's about it.

No offsense Nelson but I don't understand the business logic behind that. You develop the formulas, advise them on how to put it together and endorse the product line and you get free supplements in return??? The scale seems rather unbalanced imo. You should at least get a percentage on the gross revenue and partial ownership in the company. That's usually how that works. Most of their sales are be driven by your endorsement. I would re-negotiate your arrangement with them if I were you.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well, business never was my stong suit.

It's cool. I just think it's tacky to publically discuss every aspect of money negotiations.

Since I would use the products and since I buy protein every month, it works in both our favor if we use the barter system. Protein factory isn't a huge coorporation. They're essentially a Ma and Pa company. Maybe if things work out we'll do more business in the fututre. Who knows? We'll see.

 

[boyer]

Well, business never was my stong suit.

It's cool. I just think it's tacky to publically discuss every aspect of money negotiations.

Since I would use the products and since I buy protein every month, it works in both our favor if we use the barter system. Protein factory isn't a huge coorporation. They're essentially a Ma and Pa company. Maybe if things work out we'll do more business in the fututre. Who knows? We'll see.

Business is my strong suit and you need a manager. What do you do with all that powder. The tables in your house must look like Al Pacinos in Scarface.

 

[flexed1]

nothing wrong with promotion of a prodcut. How many pros do this and don't even take the shit they endorse for money? answer many.