Nelson Montana-I'm calling you out!

[Nelson Montana]

ALA: You're being ridiculous.

Go to my site and check out the last color picture. I'd say I had pretty good abs way before I had surgery. If anything, the surgery left my skin a little loose. This is what I meant by "some regrets."

Ab definition is to a great degree, anatomical. If they're set close to the epidermous, they'll be more clear, but if they're set back, they won't be as sharp even with low bf% (e.g. Boyer Coe) I felt the procedure did little in that regard, but once again, it's nice to have a little extra taken out of the obliques and I would recommend it. It's no more expensive than a couple of cycles.

Attempting to attack my integrity on this is purely impotent. Do you have an issue with something specific? Did you read the book? As mentioned, I'll try to address as much as I can but quibbling over things like how recent a photo is just wastes my time and the time of those who read these posts trying to extract useable information.

Hell, Mike Menzter used pictures of himself that were over 20 years old! BTW, We were the same age and at age 45 I'd say I looked a lot better than he did, and I had "puny guy" genetics and he had "Mr. Universe genetics". But I digress.

 

[Thaibox]

I'm not going to buy your book so please, if you will, at least humor me with a brief explanation for the following since you did state them on the board....

Insulin, DNP, Synthol,and Nubain have no place in real bodybulding.

Could you have found 4 more different compounds than these. Insulin has been proven to be highly effective when used properly. I have personally used it several times with outstanding success. Many have had excellent results with DNP. It is just a cut up drug that takes more than the intellect of an idiot to use. Nubain is a painkiller, why the hell would you even list it here?

Yes, I have personal experience with all three of these...do you?

Nutrient timing will have no effect on how you look in the long run.

Are you referring to daily nutrient intake, as in utilizing windows? If so, I can't believe you are making this statement. This is like saying a good exhaust system will make my car a little faster today, but not next week. Please clarify.

The effect of the glycemic index of a food is way overstated.

How is it overstated? Its simple mathmatics and logic. 2+2=4 is difficult to overstate. I suppose I could yell it, but it would still equal 4.

GH is the most over-rated drug in the sport.

This may be true simply because it is hyped to hell. However, this does not take away from its value in the least, nor its effectiveness if used properly.

Have you used GH Nelson?

I also remember you saying that Glutamine and Creatine are both completely worthless. I believe you stated that creatine could be mimicked by "salty pizza crust." You do realize that you pulled this out of your ass, correct?

What upsets me the most about your approach Mr Montana is you make yourself appear arrogant enough to believe that everything you say should be taken as gospel. Is this simply because you have written a book? Hitler wrote a book. Johnny Cochran wrote a book. Should we bow to their divine knowledge as well? Should we disredard empirical or anecdotal eveidence given to us by veterans and pros, simply because you found someone to print your information between two covers? The front one depicting a Men's health model that epitomizes the "fitness" look that very few real bodybuilders give a shit for? This must be representative of your target 'ideal'(and therefore embodies the contents of the text) since it is on the cover of your book, right?

I realized I haven't written a book . I do however have ten years experience under the bar and have brought my body from 140 lbs to 265 lbs. I believe that is enough to warrant a place on the table for you to explain your reasoning for the above statements(and be noted as being wrong in front of everyone)

I don't have researched documents for everything I espose since much of it is based on real world evidence and no studies have yet been conducted, but I believe I present logical reasoning to my theories.

You "believe" that you present "logical reasoning" to your "THEORIES"...........not to strong of a base to stand on there Nelson

 

[OKIE]

Wow this thread is interesting to say the least...

I have a couple of questions...When you say cardio is bad for building your physique, are you talking about excersises like sprints as well or just low resistance cardio activities. What about boxing? Also, you mention you do not like vet gear and say that low dose short cycles promote keeping gains better...Can you give an example of a standard low dose cycle that you would recommend to an intermediate bodybuilder? Thanks for the input.

 

[Nelson Montana]

So now I'm in league with Johnnie Cochran and Hitler? Geezus-fucking-criss.

Look man, I don't give a shit that you used DNP. That's just an admission of stupidity.

Yes, I've used GH.

Yes, glutamine doesn't put on muscle.

The 'salty pizza" comment was a joke about water retention.

Now this one is tough, so pay attention. Read slowly so you don't miss anything. Ready? Here goes:

The fact that I look like a fitness model does not mean that's the look I advocate for members of this board. THE POINT IS...I went from a genetically deficient middle aged man to a fitness model at age 40, BY USING HARD CORE BODYBUILDING TECHNIQUES!!! What do you think I got that way by playing tennis???

I'll bet if you had a chance to learn about making money from a guy who inhereted ten millions or a guy who started with nothing and made five millon dollars, you'd ask the guy who inhereted it. After all, he has ten and the other guy just has five, right?


Once again, I offer to address intelligent questions and I wind up spelling things out for antagonists with nothing to offer other than to make erroneouss judgements. My appologies to everyone.

 

[Thaibox]

Okay, so by this post, we can conclude that ...

A. you're unable to recognize when someone has addressed you with mature, respectful questions and criticism by the fact that you just jumped at me like a high school prick.

B. You can't answer ANY of my questions. Therefore you are unable to support your own claims and everything you say can be disregarded as crap.

C. You are unable to understand that I was noting that anyone with any standards can write a book. You took it instead that I was comparing you to the 2 arbitrary authors I used.

Now this one is tough, so pay attention. Read slowly so you don't miss anything. Ready? Here goes:

From a middle aged man defending his work from criticism, you certainly aren't doing a very good job of showing us a maturity that we may respect enough to listen to by these kind of statements. Why would you bother to resort to this? Keep to the argument, or are you getting frustrated that you may actually be wrong about something????

Yes, glutamine doesn't put on muscle.

You didn't say this. You said it is completely worthless. Water doesn't put on muscle either, nor does Vitamin C, or a hundred other important nutrients. Does that make them worthless to the BB??

Did you not read my stats Nelson? I came from a 140lb weenie ectomorph to 265lbs, and you're preaching to me about overcoming? I'm the guy that started out with 5 dollars slick.

Age? 40 isn't shit my friend.....Do you wish me to list off 100 guys that have acheived monsterous proportions and amazing progress well into their 60's?????
My own father is 64 and benches almost 3 plates clean for reps.

Once again, I offer to address intelligent questions and I wind up spelling things out for antagonists with nothing to offer other than to make erroneouss judgements. My appologies to everyone.

Antogonist with nothing to offer execpt erroneous judgements? How is that. I asked questions with a legit platform, questions that you will not answer. Instead you dance around it? You're making yourself look very bad. If you simply addressed these things, this thread would have ended by now. Oh yeah, find one other place that I'm an "antagonist." I simply don't like people with bullshit opinions that try to push them off as gospel on others, in turn ruining those other peoples' chances at reaching their genetic potentials.


Have you ever once qualified yourself. Have you ever once used the words..."in my opinion.....", or "I belive that..."?





Are you going to attack me again and prove to us all that you're complete bullshit, unable to sustantiate anything you have said?

Or are you going to address my questions and criticisms like a goddamn professional?

If its going to be the former, don't waste our time. Just say "I suck"

 

[Thaibox]

By the way Nelson, what I'm addressing here are mostly just a few of the things you have talked about late in this thread. I'd like to dive into your posts, and see what other profound knowledge you have graced the boards with.



Nelson is making me sound out of line. If this is the case, would others please let me know and I will stop. I think I'm being a fairly nice guy with some legit issues, but(unlike Nelson) I could be wrong.

 

[Thaibox]

Over an hour later and the crickets are still chirping

 

[OKIE]

Bump for NM to respond to my questions...

And for Thaibox...I don't think anyone is reacting out of line here as long as we keep it on a professional level and be open-minded of others opinions (I'm not directing that statement at anyone imparticular). I think skepticism over new ideas and theories is beneficial and should be expected. We need to all remember that what works for me may not work for you. There isn't a model diet and training program that will yield positive results for everyone. Also for those who like to flame NM for his picture because he is not a mass monster...we are not all going for the same look either. I may be trying to look like Dorian, while someone else may prefer the Abercrombie look. To each his own. As long as we stay open minded and provide intelligent dialogue, this can remain a great board and a very informative thread!

 

[Thaibox]

And for Thaibox...I don't think anyone is reacting out of line here as long as we keep it on a professional level and be open-minded of others opinions (I'm not directing that statement at anyone imparticular). I think skepticism over new ideas and theories is beneficial and should be expected. We need to all remember that what works for me may not work for you. There isn't a model diet and training program that will yield positive results for everyone. Also for those who like to flame NM for his picture because he is not a mass monster...we are not all going for the same look either. I may be trying to look like Dorian, while someone else may prefer the Abercrombie look. To each his own. As long as we stay open minded and provide intelligent dialogue, this can remain a great board and a very informative thread!

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[mvmaxx]

Nelson is making me sound out of line. If this is the case, would others please let me know and I will stop. I think I'm being a fairly nice guy with some legit issues, but(unlike Nelson) I could be wrong.

Actually I found your original post contained legitimate questions that warranted serious replies. I was actually interested in hearing his response. Until that is, I read his response.