need advice after fina cycle, getting worried.

[bollocks]

was on my 5th cycle, and had to stop, due to sensitve nipples.
week 1
mon 200mg prop
wed 500mg sust
fri 400mg eth
week 2
mon prop 200mg
tues 100mg (SUPPOSED) FINA GOLD
wed 500mg sust
fri 400mg eth and 100mg fina
week 3
mon prop 100mg
wed 100mg fina and 100mg prop
fri 400mg eth and 100mg fina
started gettin sensitive nipps so I started nolvadex 20 mg per day,didn't seem to ease the problem, so 1 week after I started nolva, I started clomid 50mg ED and cut back to 10mg of nolva ED.
now after 3 weeks I'm gettin worried, still got sensitive nipples, not sore, no fat deposit, no discharge.Also I'm starting to crash.
here is my question, should I stay off all the GEAR?
or take 250mg sust per week?
I also have andriol undaca pills,very mild,should I just take a couple of them evry day?
I see conflicting info about tren and gyno etc.
what will counteract progesterone?
as I read that's the problem with fina, and not estrogen.
need your advice brothers.
oh yea, got sensitve nips on just the sust last cycle 500 - 750mg per week, but the nolva and clomid took it away in a matter of days.

 

[Realgains]

was on my 5th cycle, and had to stop, due to sensitve nipples.
week 1
mon 200mg prop
wed 500mg sust
fri 400mg eth
week 2
mon prop 200mg
tues 100mg (SUPPOSED) FINA GOLD
wed 500mg sust
fri 400mg eth and 100mg fina
week 3
mon prop 100mg
wed 100mg fina and 100mg prop
fri 400mg eth and 100mg fina
started gettin sensitive nipps so I started nolvadex 20 mg per day,didn't seem to ease the problem, so 1 week after I started nolva, I started clomid 50mg ED and cut back to 10mg of nolva ED.
now after 3 weeks I'm gettin worried, still got sensitive nipples, not sore, no fat deposit, no discharge.Also I'm starting to crash.
here is my question, should I stay off all the GEAR?
or take 250mg sust per week?
I also have andriol undaca pills,very mild,should I just take a couple of them evry day?
I see conflicting info about tren and gyno etc.
what will counteract progesterone?
as I read that's the problem with fina, and not estrogen.
need your advice brothers.
oh yea, got sensitve nips on just the sust last cycle 500 - 750mg per week, but the nolva and clomid took it away in a matter of days.

Bro....gyno is caused ONLY by estrogen. All steroids will stimulate the PR as well as the AR...tren and nandrolone do it more so BUT they WILL NOT cause an increase in progesterone.

Progesterone cannot cause gyno ...it is a scientific impossibilty.

Estrogen is needed for the developement of breast tissue and that is what gyno is...breast tissue. Tren done alone will cause estrogen to plumet to next to ZERO.

Bro its the Testosterone

If you take Nolvadex you will not develope breast tissue so take 40 per day for a few days and then 20 per throughout your cycle.
Stay on the cycle ot go completely off...its up to you...BUT doing 250 of test per week without nolva can still cause gyno.

go to www.cuttingedgemuscle.com and see the science.

RG

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well, there's "gyno like" symptoms that are the result of progesterone. (Swollen, puffy nips, without a hard lump). Deca won't aromatize into estrogen but can still give you boobs.

 

[Realgains]

Well, there's "gyno like" symptoms that are the result of progesterone. (Swollen, puffy nips, without a hard lump). Deca won't aromatize into estrogen but can still give you boobs.

Nelson Nandrolone does aromatize but at only about one third the rate of test so yes it can give you gyno...from the estrogen.

RG

 

[bollocks]

thanx guys, still need more info.
I read something about winny being good for getting rid of the tender nipples,or the fina nips, is this true?
I would like to hear from people who have had similar probs from fina too, thanx

 

[Nelson Montana]

Winny can't aromatize, but it won;t help an existing condition. The next step should be Proviron.

RG: The amount of aromatization into estro from Deca would have to be WAY up there. And again, it does produce more "puffiness" -- a side effect of excess prog. Same thing with Anadrol, incidentally.

 

[Realgains]

Winny can't aromatize, but it won;t help an existing condition. The next step should be Proviron.

RG: The amount of aromatization into estro from Deca would have to be WAY up there. And again, it does produce more "puffiness" -- a side effect of excess prog. Same thing with Anadrol, incidentally.

Yes progestins can cause puffiness in some but not actual tissue growth (gyno)

Nelson I know you know the following but your wording confuses some.......all steroids act upon the PR and the AR but nandrolone and tren do it best. Yes puffiness can come from PR binding BUT neither nandrolone or tren or anadrol actually convert to progesterone like aromatizable gear converts to estradiol.

PR activation will cause many of the same sides as aromatization, especially bloat which anadrol is well known for, BUT it definately does NOT cause actual gyno.

Also you can get gyno from deca but it is quite rare at sane doses. The gyno from deca comes from estrogen via aromatization.

RG

 

[bollocks]

can nolvadex or clomid block progesterone?
if not what can block it?
does finna also raise prolactin levels??

 

[bollocks]

bump