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Forget major league baseball, I'll bet 2x as many NBA chumos are on the sauce than MLB....

I just ran into Lebron at the gym (grew up with him, not a big deal anymore...) and asked him about his training (dude is fing jacked now for a 20 year old, esp. at 6'8) he said nothing about sauce (of course) but hat his diet is garbage (due to traveling) and is only hitting the gym to lift 1-2 a week.....something aint right. Sure he's active as hell and plays bball all day, but still.........
 
I wouldn't doubt it, BUT some cats can just grow by lifting. Take prisoners for instance. You think those guys eat eight meals a day, sleep 10 hours a night, and incorporate a BB training routine? Yet you see some crazy transformations in a few years after they get released.
 
Very true......

But then again they dont have much else to do.

I was watching the NBS playoffs and some of those guys a shredded DAMN
 
BOOEY said:
I wouldn't doubt it, BUT some cats can just grow by lifting. Take prisoners for instance. You think those guys eat eight meals a day, sleep 10 hours a night, and incorporate a BB training routine? Yet you see some crazy transformations in a few years after they get released.
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I agree. Dan Duchaine once said that the best physiques he ever saw, bodybuilding wise, were in prison. It's all genetics. There are a lot of juicers in all pro sports, but some are genetically gifted.
 
I don't think you can argue that Lebron isn't a 1 in a billion genetic freak. I doubt he's on anything. I'm sure there are some NBA players that juice, but it's nowhere near as common as in the NFL or MLB.
 
i agree, lebron is just a man child. the kid was 240 at the age of 18. that is all natural bro. my best friend played against him as he is from ohio, lebron was that dominant as a 12 year old. i'll bet you anything tracy mcrady never touched a drop either. pure talent my friend. though i will say nba has the weakest testing program of any sport, and i don't doubt people like karl malone juiced, or even alonzo, i mean one year his kidney's are done, now he is back. but lebron no way, just a freak. my best friend does not eat ever, takes a metrx or two drinks coffee smokes cigs all day. ok he is 6 foot 205 5% bf. benches 4 plates on each side repping, he looks awesome, 205 is big at that bf. point is his father and uncle were OSU football stars, its genetic, he doesnt eat a thing and looks like that, while i pound food and barely gain. if u asked me to pick a few athletes that there is no way they need gear it would be lebron, micheal vick, mcgrady, and allen iverson. allen is the toughest athlete in the world, he plays basketball with a football player mentality cause he was the best highschool quarter and cornerback in the history of virginia football, the same state where mike vick comes from
 
BOOEY said:
I wouldn't doubt it, BUT some cats can just grow by lifting. Take prisoners for instance. You think those guys eat eight meals a day, sleep 10 hours a night, and incorporate a BB training routine? Yet you see some crazy transformations in a few years after they get released.
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Dont be fooled. Drugs are in prison just as they are in the streets.
 
outlaw is right, greg rudeski the second fastest server tested positive for nandrolone, so did Coria, they always claim its in the carb drinks. and i would bet a lot that andy roddick with his 155 mile an hour serve took something, his right forearm is three times the size of his leg.
 
bruce410 said:
i agree, lebron is just a man child. the kid was 240 at the age of 18. that is all natural bro. my best friend played against him as he is from ohio, lebron was that dominant as a 12 year old. i'll bet you anything tracy mcrady never touched a drop either. pure talent my friend. though i will say nba has the weakest testing program of any sport, and i don't doubt people like karl malone juiced, or even alonzo, i mean one year his kidney's are done, now he is back. but lebron no way, just a freak. my best friend does not eat ever, takes a metrx or two drinks coffee smokes cigs all day. ok he is 6 foot 205 5% bf. benches 4 plates on each side repping, he looks awesome, 205 is big at that bf. point is his father and uncle were OSU football stars, its genetic, he doesnt eat a thing and looks like that, while i pound food and barely gain. if u asked me to pick a few athletes that there is no way they need gear it would be lebron, micheal vick, mcgrady, and allen iverson. allen is the toughest athlete in the world, he plays basketball with a football player mentality cause he was the best highschool quarter and cornerback in the history of virginia football, the same state where mike vick comes from
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Yeah I always thought Malone was on something. I mean, even at 40 years old he looked great. Plus with all that practice and game time, think how hard it would be to keep all that mass naturally.
 
BOOEY said:
Yeah I always thought Malone was on something. I mean, even at 40 years old he looked great. Plus with all that practice and game time, think how hard it would be to keep all that mass naturally.
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yeah i lived the chicago 6 championships. karl would come into town, he was immensly more jacked than the other nba players for sure. alonzo too if you look at him. it would not surprise me if ben wallace was juicing either. forgot bout him
 
Outtlaw said:
BTW, I bet there's a high enough percentage of tennis pros on juice to rival that of NBA players.
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Maybe but Rogert Federer kicks ass man and he lokos like a 12yr old. His arms are 1/4 size of mine and I'm not that big guy. Look at his biceps - not there. Absent. Point being - they can juice and do whatever they want but the best are better for some other reasons. And Rusedski never touched glory while Sampras and Aggasi ( don't tell me he's jucing ) were bustin everybody apart. I agree with the guy who says that TMac and Allan are pure talents, so is Roger..
 
marshallmadman said:
Two words...Serena Williams.
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I think not, sorry. i respectfully disagree.....she's ripped, and cut with lean muscle but she is not huge...she probably just trains fairly intensely
 
sandman_007 said:
I think not, sorry. i respectfully disagree.....she's ripped, and cut with lean muscle but she is not huge...she probably just trains fairly intensely
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no my friend i must disagree. come on now. venus is 6 1 140, and serena 5 10 170. serena has taken some testosterone i am sorry, u can't look that more freakish than your sister, and in the olden days she looked nothing like the beast she is now.
 
sandman_007 said:
I think not, sorry. i respectfully disagree.....she's ripped, and cut with lean muscle but she is not huge...she probably just trains fairly intensely
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There are a lot of people who take steroids and you'd never know it by looking at them. Not to say Serena takes anything... I wouldnt know.
 
I totally disagree with you guys. That's sad that even the people on this board have given into all this media hype that so many pro athletes use juice. I just don't think it is that common. The NBA especially. I mean what purpose would it serve to be a freaking monster in the NBA. These are gifted athletes who are in professional sports. They're the best of the best and the majority of them didn't get that way because of performance enhancing drugs. They work thier ass off for years to get where they are. They are just GOOD. Why is that so hard to accept nowadays? And hey if NBA players were using juice, who gives a fuck?
 
hey man i agree, who cares. i think we were simply saying that it is much more prevalent in all sports not just mlb. i mean a bowler recently tested posi as well as part of the ping pong team. not joking. so yeah who the hell cares, its what theyre paid to do. i think also we are appreciating the talents that were unblemished, though we have nothing against the darkside
 
I read an article that said 70 people on the ATP tour (tennis) tested positive for nandrolone but only 4 were charged. I don't know why they'd be so stupid and use something that can stay in the body so long.
 
dr0832 said:
I read an article that said 70 people on the ATP tour (tennis) tested positive for nandrolone but only 4 were charged. I don't know why they'd be so stupid and use something that can stay in the body so long.
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yeah i know its dumb, but tennis is seems to keep it under the radar. roddick went from a kid who couldnt serve, to the best server ever in what a year. he put on like 30 pounds. whatever, i am a tennis player, haha flame me bros, on deca you can serve a good 10 miles an hour faster minimum. also you can twist your wrist and elbow with such angles from the lube, that you can put some nasty spin on their. great for tennis
 
bruce410 said:
yeah i lived the chicago 6 championships. karl would come into town, he was immensly more jacked than the other nba players for sure. alonzo too if you look at him. it would not surprise me if ben wallace was juicing either. forgot bout him
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yup all 3 juice/d...alonzo for sure...
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
yup all 3 juice/d...alonzo for sure...
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Yeah. And how do you know this? And as a matter of fact how would anybody on this fucking board know anything of this caliber about a professional athlete? No. There is always someone on the board who knows EVERYTHING. That's the people who you got to watch out for.
 
bruce410 said:
no my friend i must disagree. come on now. venus is 6 1 140, and serena 5 10 170. serena has taken some testosterone i am sorry, u can't look that more freakish than your sister, and in the olden days she looked nothing like the beast she is now.
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The six two lit fuse has the madman's back on this deal. The evidence you quote about what her sis looks like compared to her is exactly what I base my claims on. Open your fukkin' eyes people. Look at footage from 30 years ago from any sport. Look at the difference in athletes then and now.
 
Watson said:
I totally disagree with you guys. That's sad that even the people on this board have given into all this media hype that so many pro athletes use juice. I just don't think it is that common. The NBA especially. I mean what purpose would it serve to be a freaking monster in the NBA. These are gifted athletes who are in professional sports. They're the best of the best and the majority of them didn't get that way because of performance enhancing drugs. They work thier ass off for years to get where they are. They are just GOOD. Why is that so hard to accept nowadays? And hey if NBA players were using juice, who gives a fuck?
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Agreed! Most NBA players can't be on juice they are in inflamatories if anything. I saw an interview that C. barkely gave costas on hbo and he said he never saw any juicing he did however see drug abuse and alot inflamatories which some may call steriods but they're not ur average bb'r using test deca and dbol. Now J.Mcnroe (tennis) however did say he used steriods in the past and knew about tennis stars using over seas in the same HBO interview.
 
Watson said:
Yeah. And how do you know this? And as a matter of fact how would anybody on this fucking board know anything of this caliber about a professional athlete? No. There is always someone on the board who knows EVERYTHING. That's the people who you got to watch out for.
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I respectfully disagree... I know quite a bit about professional athletes (a few of my close friends are pros) and work closely with several strength and conditioning coaches who train many professional athletes... It is MUCH more common than the average person would like to believe. Take that for what it's worth... and to you I may ust be another internet tough guy know it all...
...and I'm not trying to take anything away from these athletes' natural talent, however, someone with talent is hard pressed to compete against someone of equal talent that is using AAS.
VW
 
Watson said:
That's sad that even the people on this board have given into all this media hype that so many pro athletes use juice. I just don't think it is that common.
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I think it's more sad that you're on this board and still have the opinion of the general public. Juice IS more common than people believe. NBA players juice; tennis players juice; prisoners juice; 90% of guys in your gym who you think have good physiques juice...
 
I think it's more sad that you're on this board and still have the opinion of the general public. Juice IS more common than people believe. NBA players juice; tennis players juice; prisoners juice; 90% of guys in your gym who you think have good physiques juice...

Amen.....There are actually more drugs out there that we don't even know about. Blood doping in cycling, no one ever mentions this but how many cyclists are dying from heart attacks. For those who say "it is a lot of hard work" I agree....but I also agree that it is a lot of hard work with some sort of drugs invloved. I read a steroid book years ago that said 99% of all athletes including golfers and bowlers have taken SOMETHING. I think you are crazy to think thr NBA isn't riddled with Juice. Juice isn't all about muscle mass is it? Can't it make you run faster and Jump higher.......

If you don't think Juice is in all professional sports, Tennis, football, soccer, biking, motorcross, yada, yada, yada then you are blind. These people get paid millions of dollars to be the best at the sports that they play...we get paid nothing and we still juice to be better, stronger, and more prominent and close to none of us get paid for it.........
Ps. Take a look at Sosa when he steps in the box tonight. if you don't see that he has lost I'd say 30 lbs then you havn't watched a lot of sports.
It's everywhere....it's everywhere...it's everywhere.....
 
230lbs said:
Juice isn't all about muscle mass is it? Can't it make you run faster and Jump higher.......

If you don't think Juice is in all professional sports, Tennis, football, soccer, biking, motorcross, yada, yada, yada then you are blind. These people get paid millions of dollars to be the best at the sports that they play...we get paid nothing and we still juice to be better, stronger, and more prominent and close to none of us get paid for it.........
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These are 2 excellent points, ones I use each time I get into this argument with people who don't know any better.
 
90% of guys in your gym who you think have good physiques juice...[/QUOTE said:
That would be ME, if you catch my drift. Anyway when you guys talk about steroids, what automatically comes up in my head is Mass building steroids, because that's what we discuss on this board. I made a comment about the NBA and I just don't think juicing is rampant in that sport. Now cycling, and tennis I can see, but only for strength and stamina purposes.
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Anyway when you guys talk about steroids, what automatically comes up in my head is Mass building steroids
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Yes and that, along with being ripped, is what the general public associates with steroid use. Little to their dismay, you don't have to be 240 lbs at 8% to be on gear. There's many reasons to use, some intelligent and some not.
 
"Now cycling, and tennis I can see, but only for strength and stamina purposes."


Strenght and Stamina are the two Must haves in the NBA.
 
slat1 said:
I would render a guess that most NBA players are on. Mostly for recovery purposes.
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Strangly, most bodybuilders and the general public overlook the power of steroids as a recovery agent. More people take them for that reason, than take them to build muscle. The use is widespread in nearly every sport and any level.
 
yeah man, watson bottom line is all steroids have different effects. a tennis player could take eq and run through a whole match unwinded, he can break his wrist nearly for a kick serve if hes on deca, and for recovery fuck yea, thats why james toney tested posi for deca after his title fight, and roy jones jr 5 years ago tested posi for deca but it was kept quite quiet, he also had been nursing an injured hand and wrist. not all steroids make swell up, its all about diet anyway. why you think cornerbacks take winstrol, it makes you faster and stronger without adding size. ray buchanon is the interception leader actively in the nfl, tested posi for winny two years ago
 
Watson said:
I totally disagree with you guys. That's sad that even the people on this board have given into all this media hype that so many pro athletes use juice. I just don't think it is that common. The NBA especially. I mean what purpose would it serve to be a freaking monster in the NBA. These are gifted athletes who are in professional sports. They're the best of the best and the majority of them didn't get that way because of performance enhancing drugs. They work thier ass off for years to get where they are. They are just GOOD. Why is that so hard to accept nowadays? And hey if NBA players were using juice, who gives a fuck?
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please, if you want to be that naive. the media is still clueless. they think that someone passed a "test" that they are clean lol

kids in HS football juice like crazy, everyone will do anything to get an advantage.

sure there's some genetic freaks but those are few and far between.

only losers don't take steroids as the saying goes :chomp:
 
Hmm, I can see tennis players taking something, but my two mile time went from an easy 15:00 to a crawling in pain, about to die, 26:00 two mile time. I take 500mg of test every week. I guess if they took much smaller dosages or different drugs, but why would anyone want to carry around the extra bulk up and down a basketball court?
 
Well I guess that settles that issue. Heres the conclusion you guys came up with...."Almost everyone in the NBA is on steroids and for that matter MOST professional athletes are on steroids, if not for strength or bulking purposes then for recovery purposes. Steroid use is out of control and rampant in professional sports and even at the High school level."

LOL. Well I guess there is no real talent out there after all. It's all about the steroids! No reason to watch sports anymore. :rolleyes:
 
no i disagree a lot. there are plenty of pure talents, look bud i named a more that i thought were natty than were on. i don't think they do it that much, just saying its like people were only thinking mlb at first than nfl. its all sports. i respect you wanting some pure athletes well a rod i think is all natty, he was a h.s QB, ken griffey jr. derek jeter, i really feel, not know, that these guys don't take anything. even dwayne wade has a decent physique for a bball player, i feel it is all hard work on his part though, its just if you look at karl malone he never sat out his whole career in utah. the guy outlasted micheal jordan technically. not talent wise, i think he was taking things for recovery purposes. i have heard that alonzo fucked his kidneys up with roids and thats why he was out, but you never know. i even feel that ricky williams never took, i watched him as a h.s player, the guy was just a hulk before lifting period.
 
Well I guess that settles that issue. Heres the conclusion you guys came up with...."Almost everyone in the NBA is on steroids and for that matter MOST professional athletes are on steroids, if not for strength or bulking purposes then for recovery purposes. Steroid use is out of control and rampant in professional sports and even at the High school level."

LOL. Well I guess there is no real talent out there after all. It's all about the steroids! No reason to watch sports anymore.



sad but true......Like I said earlier. Watch Bosox vs Baltimore. Tell me Sammy hasn't quit the sauce.....and Coloradosteve....try to keep up with the conversations here. Runners aren't taking test.....test makes you big test doesn't make you run fast....read a book please before you chime in with uncalled for comments.
 
230lbs said:
Well I guess that settles that issue. Heres the conclusion you guys came up with...."Almost everyone in the NBA is on steroids and for that matter MOST professional athletes are on steroids, if not for strength or bulking purposes then for recovery purposes. Steroid use is out of control and rampant in professional sports and even at the High school level."

LOL. Well I guess there is no real talent out there after all. It's all about the steroids! No reason to watch sports anymore.



sad but true......Like I said earlier. Watch Bosox vs Baltimore. Tell me Sammy hasn't quit the sauce.....and Coloradosteve....try to keep up with the conversations here. Runners aren't taking test.....test makes you big test doesn't make you run fast....read a book please before you chime in with uncalled for comments.
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thank you, there are a few things called primo, var and winny that would def make you faster. sammy is taking something for sure
 
thank you, there are a few things called primo, var and winny that would def make you faster. sammy is taking something for sure

but he has clearly lost A LOT of size.....no?
 
Watson said:
Well I guess there is no real talent out there after all. It's all about the steroids! No reason to watch sports anymore. :rolleyes:
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It's not "all about the steroids". Steroids improve performance; they make good athletes great. You have to have talent to begin with and then gear just exacerbates it.

Why would people stop watching sports because athletes juice? Is knowing that these guys aren't natural going to make it so that you can longer enjoy it? If anything, sports are better with all the drug use because the athletes can perform at a higher level. I don't know about you, but I want to see guys cracking 70 homers/year.
 
Now I gotta read a book to chime in on this thread! LOL! Yeah I'll go do that right now.

I agree that there are a lot of athletes on the sauce because of the pressure of being the best they can, but I bet for every 1 thats on something there are 100 that aren't. In High school I'd say a 1/1000 ratio easy. I was a pole vaulter in High school, went to state a couple of times, and in four years of competition I knew of ONE guy who juiced, and damn if he didn't beat me every fuckin time. I totally agree with you guys on the fact that there are a lot of athletes that take steroids, but you have to give credit to the ones that don't and didn't. You can't just make a broad statement like "Most professional athletes are juicing."
 
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yeah a bit, maybe, he's pretty thick bro, you think big frank did? on a funny note as manny ramirez wen up to bat the other day David Ortiz says" youre in trouble now papi, you know theyre testing now." manny used to buy garbage bags of winstrol in clevelend from the local gym guru. i don't know i am from chi town sammy still looks big to me
 
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I agree that there are a lot of athletes on the sauce because of the pressure of being the best they can, but I bet for every 1 thats on something there are 100 that aren't. In High school I'd say a 1/1000 ratio easy.
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Of course the ratio in high school is lower, but neither of those are anywhere close to accurate. 1 in 100 PROFESSIONAL athletes use? Riiiiiiiiiight...
 
Well then what ratio do you think would be more accurate? You don't think I can find a hundred NBA players, or soccer players, or hockey players that aren't juicing? You can't be serious.
 
It comes down to this - professional sports are a business, every athlete admits this. So in essence, you're competing with EVERYONE in your sport to get that contract, even your teammates. If your competitor is using roids, he is now a greater threat to your security in the business. Two options, a) hope you can get by with talent alone (not possible for many), b) take your talent to the next level and be better than your competitors. It's an easy choice - with proper care, steroids will not harm you, they will only make you a better player. I don't blame any of these guys for using. It's come to the point where if you want to play, you've got to be the best. If someone else is the best, no one will care about you.
 
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Forget major league baseball, I'll bet 2x as many NBA chumos are on the sauce than MLB....

I just ran into Lebron at the gym (grew up with him, not a big deal anymore...) and asked him about his training (dude is fing jacked now for a 20 year old, esp. at 6'8) he said nothing about sauce (of course) but hat his diet is garbage (due to traveling) and is only hitting the gym to lift 1-2 a week.....something aint right. Sure he's active as hell and plays bball all day, but still.........
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I don't understand Lebron going to a local gym every player in the NBA works out at the teams facility not the local gyms that would just be retarded they would never be able to get in a workout with all the fans all over him.

But you are right those dudes are huge as hell Ben Wallace works out in my basement and that dude is scary!!
 
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Well then what ratio do you think would be more accurate? You don't think I can find a hundred NBA players, or soccer players, or hockey players that aren't juicing? You can't be serious.
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You said 100 players who aren't juicing for every one that is. That's a lot different than finding 100 guys who don't juice. Stick to one story.

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It comes down to this - professional sports are a business, every athlete admits this. So in essence, you're competing with EVERYONE in your sport to get that contract, even your teammates. If your competitor is using roids, he is now a greater threat to your security in the business. Two options, a) hope you can get by with talent alone (not possible for many), b) take your talent to the next level and be better than your competitors. It's an easy choice - with proper care, steroids will not harm you, they will only make you a better player. I don't blame any of these guys for using. It's come to the point where if you want to play, you've got to be the best. If someone else is the best, no one will care about you.
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I'd be cool if there was a 100% reliable test to see if you have EVER used. I wonder how many pro would be show to never have used? Once you use, you owe a lot of your build to it. Just look at Bill Philips, he owes his build to juice, but now sells snake oil....
 
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Well then what ratio do you think would be more accurate? You don't think I can find a hundred NBA players, or soccer players, or hockey players that aren't juicing? You can't be serious.
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nfl = 80% if not more
mlb = i'd say like 40-60%
nba = 20-35% maybe more
nhl = tough to say 30-40%

just rough estimates, pros take a lot other "drugs" , baseball, all of them take speed.
 
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Now I gotta read a book to chime in on this thread! LOL! Yeah I'll go do that right now.

I agree that there are a lot of athletes on the sauce because of the pressure of being the best they can, but I bet for every 1 thats on something there are 100 that aren't. In High school I'd say a 1/1000 ratio easy. I was a pole vaulter in High school, went to state a couple of times, and in four years of competition I knew of ONE guy who juiced, and damn if he didn't beat me every fuckin time. I totally agree with you guys on the fact that there are a lot of athletes that take steroids, but you have to give credit to the ones that don't and didn't. You can't just make a broad statement like "Most professional athletes are juicing."
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that means if your school has 2000 students, only 2 of them take steroids, LOL
I bet I could find 10-30, just on the football team that take something.

i wished i knew more when I was in HS, i'd be on the sauce too ;)
 
let me tell you something about lebron's workouts, the guy works out for about 6 hours 3 on the court 3 cardio and weight room. you should have watched the life on espn with him if you are that interested. he weighed 240 at the age of 17, he was given a mill from the insurance company before he even started the nba and was tested my friend. also he takes about 1000 shots every day on the court. paul silas still admits he has never seen anyone workout as long as lebron at such a young age. so i doubt he's pullin off canseco workouts
 
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let me tell you something about lebron's workouts, the guy works out for about 6 hours 3 on the court 3 cardio and weight room. you should have watched the life on espn with him if you are that interested. he weighed 240 at the age of 17, he was given a mill from the insurance company before he even started the nba and was tested my friend. also he takes about 1000 shots every day on the court. paul silas still admits he has never seen anyone workout as long as lebron at such a young age. so i doubt he's pullin off canseco workouts
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Did you miss my initial post that said I grew up with him playing AA youth bball. Now see him at the gym 1-2x a week.....trust me, he does not w/o for 6 hours a day......sure he's active, he bikes a ton and probably plays ball 1-2 hours/day.....all jumpers, free throws, etc with two coaches rebounding for him...he's got a great work ethic, but incredible genes.
 
ok, enlighten me, what book would instruct me or inform me on how to use steroids to increase my endurance. I don't want to come off as a smart ass. I understand testosterone is, in part, why male endurance runners are faster than female endurance.
 
Wow, a lot of different arguments here......with most that could never be solved..... Personally, I thought Sammy Sosa looked 10 times smaller and I even commented that to my wife this week while playing the Detroit Tigers. I also thought that Ben Wallace looks very skinny compared with other big men in the league---his biceps are tiny for a big man. Also, I thought both SERENA and VENUS Williams gained like 50 pounds of muscle from their rookie season on tour to their third season...Didn't Serena used to be fat????----just my opinion....not an expert by any stretch......

BUT, Aren't the best players ever in every sport all been STEROID free, just a point, but I am from Detroit and in hockeytown, I am a huge hockey fan, and WAYNE GRETZKY, STEVE YZERMAN, MARIO LEMIEUX, ALL THE GREATS all have never touched anything, MICHAEL JORDAN, JOE MONTANA, DAN MARINO, ALEX RODRIGUEZ, NOLAN RYAN, BABE RUTH, LARRY BIRD, On and ON, are all Non Enhanced....... Do I have a point at all here??? Probably not, but I thought I would chime in real quick.......
 
Joe Stenson said:
You said 100 players who aren't juicing for every one that is. That's a lot different than finding 100 guys who don't juice. Stick to one story.



Wow, I'm tired of arguing about this so I'm not gonna say anything else about it.
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nfl = 80% if not more
mlb = i'd say like 40-60%
nba = 20-35% maybe more
nhl = tough to say 30-40%

just rough estimates, pros take a lot other "drugs" , baseball, all of them take speed.
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Dude, god damn were not talking about OTHER DRUGS, and if you think 40% of the guys in the NHL take steroids, then your out of your fucking mind! For what? To knock someone into the glass? 60% in Baseball? are you kidding? Your insulting hundreds of players that have set most of the records that are standing even today! You guys gotta learn when to say when on this accusation bullshit. Have some fucking respect, seriously!

All of them take speed?!!!!! I just saw this! All of them?! K13, you can't just post bullshit like that man!
 
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Dude, god damn were not talking about OTHER DRUGS, and if you think 40% of the guys in the NHL take steroids, then your out of your fucking mind! For what? To knock someone into the glass? 60% in Baseball? are you kidding? Your insulting hundreds of players that have set most of the records that are standing even today! You guys gotta learn when to say when on this accusation bullshit. Have some fucking respect, seriously!

All of them take speed?!!!!! I just saw this! All of them?! K13, you can't just post bullshit like that man!
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To be the fucking best in the game. >>> $$$$$$$$$
 
Watson said:
Dude, god damn were not talking about OTHER DRUGS, and if you think 40% of the guys in the NHL take steroids, then your out of your fucking mind! For what? To knock someone into the glass? 60% in Baseball? are you kidding? Your insulting hundreds of players that have set most of the records that are standing even today! You guys gotta learn when to say when on this accusation bullshit. Have some fucking respect, seriously!

All of them take speed?!!!!! I just saw this! All of them?! K13, you can't just post bullshit like that man!
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NHL is a physical sport and lots of injuries, lots of endurance needed. you do the math.

MLB, dident you notice all the pathetic players getting caught now, even in the minors, if chumps like that are taking gear who's not,. the better player your are the more $$$ you have, the better doctors/shit you can get to pass tests.

baseball players said if amphetamines were to be banned, baseball would cease to exist pretty much, thus owners/unions know not to ban that shit.

it insults me to hear people say they are "natural" like Ronnie Coleman saying LOL, i know the reasons why he has to, but very few pro sport athletes will admit to taking anything, thus insulting the public intelligance
 
Watson: 1) the Read before you chime wasn't directed at you it was directed at the guy who stated his running speeds slowed down after his test cycle. Coloradosteve was his name and I preffaced that before I said anything. No dig on you man

And to tell ya the truth ( not anyone specific of course) Your all messed up. 40% of NHL athletes (hahahaha) 60% of the MLB (hehehehe) Dude MLB has turned a blind eye on almost all drugs right up untill a couple years ago.
Yes there are athletes who are clean I am sure of it. But to me and with what I have read and seen and even with the blind eye......Most..meaning to me 80% or more have taken "some sort of muscle enhancing drug that has produced strength enhacement and performance enhacement"
If you don't believe this then even run a small test of your own. Buy baseball cards. Get the rookie cards of your fsavorite players and look at how much they have grown over the years. (now look at how they are shrinking)
I also agree that I want to see bigger better fast players administering mind blowing hits homeruns and slamdunks....so I am not saying "bad athletes, bad bad bad athletes" I am saying that it's out there. It is starting in HS like earlier stated and if he takes in HS and gets to the college game how can you say it isn't going to continue through college and into the minors and up to the big leagues........how many torn ligament injuries have we seen in the last few years ? HMMMMMMMM?

Just one guys opinion.

(ps. good thread lots of opinions and voices)
 
Hey, I know Ronnie Coleman! He works out at my gym, and I think he's all natural. That's what he told me anyway, LOL.
 
Watson said:
and if you think 40% of the guys in the NHL take steroids, then your out of your fucking mind! For what? To knock someone into the glass?
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Try playing an 82 (84?) game season, practicing every day, hitting the gym, all the while being away from home for half the year and tell me you couldn't use a little something for recovery. Jesus man, I swear you're just not getting it. Steroids DO NOT HAVE TO EQUAL BIG BULGING MUSCLES; there's many reasons to take them.

Watson said:
60% in Baseball? are you kidding?
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It's all speculation, but I thought it was established that a good 80-85% of baseball players have at least tried steroids.

Once you get past the fact that you don't have to look jacked to be using gear, it's really quite obvious why athletes juice. Their sport is their life. Why wouldn't they want to guarantee themselves of being the best player they can be? Talent is important, but if you take 2 guys with equal talent and give one steroids and the other stays natural, who makes the team?
 
bruce410 said:
yeah i lived the chicago 6 championships. karl would come into town, he was immensly more jacked than the other nba players for sure. alonzo too if you look at him. it would not surprise me if ben wallace was juicing either. forgot bout him
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what bout larry johnson back in the day
 
Even NFL punters got caught with steroids, wtf does that tell you, a fucken punter.

Alex sanchez, little twig in baseball, steroids. just cause your not Ronnie, doesent mean your not ON
 
cartoonman said:
what bout larry johnson back in the day
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good question, Larry was a beast back in the day. Still have his Jersey from the Hornets. :)

he worked out a lot and did boxing for a while, no one is really going to know the truth about who takes what
 
Joe Stenson said:
Try playing an 82 (84?) game season, practicing every day, hitting the gym, all the while being away from home for half the year and tell me you couldn't use a little something for recovery. Jesus man, I swear you're just not getting it. Steroids DO NOT HAVE TO EQUAL BIG BULGING MUSCLES; there's many reasons to take them.



It's all speculation, but I thought it was established that a good 80-85% of baseball players have at least tried steroids.

Once you get past the fact that you don't have to look jacked to be using gear, it's really quite obvious why athletes juice. Their sport is their life. Why wouldn't they want to guarantee themselves of being the best player they can be? Talent is important, but if you take 2 guys with equal talent and give one steroids and the other stays natural, who makes the team?
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82 Games is NHL
162 Games is Baseball (crazy amount of games)....plus spring training which is another 20 games....
 
still think LJ was the biggest nba pro ever, anthony mason and molone are second, imo
 
Not sure if I can be totally accurate on other sports but as far as NCAA Football (bigtime d1) i'd have to go with 90%... Its strange though, never mentioned or even hinted towards... Not even best friends discuss it with eachother... Everyone gets it from somewhere else... One of my best friends was a highly recruited linebacker at 240, in 5 months (intense running and football training, by no means bodybuilding) he was 270 and same body fat... 6lbs a month? Thats the story on most college athletes...
 
Watson said:
Hey, I know Ronnie Coleman! He works out at my gym, and I think he's all natural. That's what he told me anyway, LOL.
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Actually, I think it would be more like you workout at HIS gym :)
 
JKurz1 said:
Did you miss my initial post that said I grew up with him playing AA youth bball. Now see him at the gym 1-2x a week.....trust me, he does not w/o for 6 hours a day......sure he's active, he bikes a ton and probably plays ball 1-2 hours/day.....all jumpers, free throws, etc with two coaches rebounding for him...he's got a great work ethic, but incredible genes.
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thats impressive that you get to workout in the gym with lebron, cause his facility is in the cav's stadium. it is one of five stadiums with a 300 million dollar workout facility. so please don't tell me lebron rolls into you gym and hangs with the fellas. oh yeah and the guy has his own gym that rivals any club or gym in his own house. 90 mill buys you a lot.
 
Hahaha he sees Lebron at the gym 1-2x a week? You expect me to believe that "gods gift to basketball" works out at ur local gym?
 
tennis players taking juice, well that's one i haven't heard of yet anyway. perhaps i never suspected any tennis players take it because few have large and muscular physiques.
 
look up greg rudeski second fastest server posi for nandrolone, same as coria and a lot of players test posi for clen
 
yeah i think big ben might already be. their testing policy is a joke. if these leagues don't shape up condalezza rice is going to get to head the testing policies
 
bruce410 said:
yeah i think big ben might already be. their testing policy is a joke. if these leagues don't shape up condalezza rice is going to get to head the testing policies
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Sure hasn't affected his hairline....lol
 
james toney, roy jones jr, marion jones husband, roy had the power in boxing to keep it hidden, there are a lot of them.
 
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