Myth's dispelled after 2 cycles

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

so which would work best for a meso/endo such as Fonz and myself...

the 33/33/33, the 30/30/40, the 40/50/10, etc....protein/carbs/fats..

andy13, i myself am starting another cycle this monday of a gram of test/dbol/and deca...for a decent time...i am an endo/meso, i dont have a 6 pack now at all but with my shirt on i could lie and say i did and it is quite believable...how would u recommend i diet for this muscle building phase...i am trying to gain decent diet knowledge, it seems that i always hear keep the protein at 2 grams per lb, and the carbs high as well, but how high is the question...Mr. X's diet says to stay at 1.5 grams of carbs per lb, but that doesnt, to me, seem high enough during such a cycle...what is your take on diet, related to meso/endos....i dont worry about ecto cause i am farrrrrrr from one...

i once read an article by matarazzo, he said after the gym he and the pros would sit around, mainly guys like dillet, and bs about random things for hours and hours, and he felt his muscles getting flat, but guys like them stayed full(matarazzo is a classic ecto he states), i found that article interesting to say the least...


Nelson, im still waiting on some help from you...eating more you said to gain mass...fine...but then u critiqued someone for previously stating that they gained too much fat when bulking...because u said that obviously their diet was wrong....but eating more doesnt seem like much a solid diet to me...there has to be a method to the madness, correct? i think so at least...

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

No problem.


Bulking Diet: Eat more.


Cutting diet: Eat less.


Works every time.

so this is ur secret?? i am asking for help from you, in many other threads as well, and i find you to be very very unwilling to help someone else, at least myself...u seem very knowledgable, but you remind me of people that know alot, and hate helping others out in fear of that they might overpass your size, or whatever the reason may be...ive seen it a million times...

i dont get this comment really, i was asking a simple easy question that would have taken a couple minutes to type out and help me, and that would be that, i have seen many Mods and vets do this a million times, this comment seems to me to be super wise-ass......i truly would appreciate your help...if u dont want to or are gonna bust my balls, whatever it may be, cause you are in the KNOW and i am not, then give me the courtesy of not even responding...i hope u choose to help me, id be very appreciatory...

 

[Nelson Montana]

Fear you might overpass my 190 pounds? Hardly.

Jon, I wasn't being facetious, just succinct.

There are no secrets, that's my big secret. All diet plans are bullshit, my boy. Of course, I devote an entire chapter to this in my book and I'm not about to give every reason for how I've come to this conclusion in this format.

Diet articles are page fillers. After all the thousands of "expert" diets around. dont you think if one worked great everyone would be using it? It's all academic wordplay -- and what makes matters worse is when you get guys with a modicum of scientic knowledge who take themselves way too seriously. Dan Duchaine was a nutrition whiz, but he also knew it was all baloney in the real world.

I know how food affects the body. I studied everything there is to know about it but I'm not so pompous to believe I can redirect the laws of nature.

Bodybuilders need protein. I think you know that. They also need fat and carbs, but they're easy. So what's left? THE AMOUNT!!! That's it. Some people might do better on a little more of this, or a little less of that. If food and the understanding of nutrient manipulation mattered so much, how come guys in prison are ripped while some of these nutrition experts look like shit?

Preparing for a contest is one thing, but remaining as lean as possible on a daily basis is another. You wanna grow? Ya gotta eat! You wanna cut? Ya gotta go hungry.

If anyone gets fat, it isn't because they aren't doing enough aerobics, they're just not building enough muscle and eating too much food. Period.

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

Fear you might overpass my 190 pounds? Hardly.

Jon, I wasn't being facetious, just succinct.

There are no secrets, that's my big secret. All diet plans are bullshit, my boy. Of course, I devote an entire chapter to this in my book and I'm not about to give every reason for how I've come to this conclusion in this format.

Diet articles are page fillers. After all the thousands of "expert" diets around. dont you think if one worked great everyone would be using it? It's all academic wordplay -- and what makes matters worse is when you get guys with a modicum of scientic knowledge who take themselves way too seriously. Dan Duchaine was a nutrition whiz, but he also knew it was all baloney in the real world.

I know how food affects the body. I studied everything there is to know about it but I'm not so pompous to believe I can redirect the laws of nature.

Bodybuilders need protein. I think you know that. They also need fat and carbs, but they're easy. So what's left? THE AMOUNT!!! That's it. Some people might do better on a little more of this, or a little less of that. If food and the understanding of nutrient manipulation mattered so much, how come guys in prison are ripped while some of these nutrition experts look like shit?

Preparing for a contest is one thing, but remaining as lean as possible on a daily basis is another. You wanna grow? Ya gotta eat! You wanna cut? Ya gotta go hungry.

If anyone gets fat, it isn't because they aren't doing enough aerobics, they're just not building enough muscle and eating too much food. Period.

good post...now i understand your posts better...thanks bro...i totally agree...you have to see what works for you...

some things if u could answer if u have a chance...do you think aerobics(cardio) have a place in mass cycles??

what protein source is your favorite? i.e. shakes, steak, chicken, salmom, swordfish, tuna, etc.. i just got really hungry when i stated those...

what type of training scheme do you like?

thanks bro...talk to you soon, great post once again...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I like to get protein from as many sources as possible. But I won't eat Tofu.

I don't think aerobics have a place in any bodybuilding program.

 

[drveejay11]

Re: Re: Myth's dispelled after 2 cycles

Never heard niacin helping the lipid profile, can you site where you read this?

-sk

B3 (Niacin) has been shown for YEARS to be a great potent overall cholesterol reducer !!!!!!!!!!

IMHO: Every cycle should include:

B3: Cholesterol reducer, blood pressure reducer (aids circulation)

ALA: Liver detoxifier, protectant and anti-oxidant

Tylers Liver Detox Liver detoxifier, protectant and anti-oxidant

 

[JoBu]

I don’t under stand this statement.
I thought that the half life of tren was under 48 hours, that is why you have to do it ED or EOD.
Wouldn’t that mean that it would build up in your system quickly?

If we assume a half life of 48 hours, then your system levels level out within 8-10 days depending on what you want to call level. For an example...lets look at 100mg EOD:

This would be the "system level" assuming you take 100mg on day 0 and every other day from there with a half life of 48hours...

Day 0 - 100mg
Day 2 - 150mg
Day 4 - 187.5mg
Day 6 - 193.75mg
Day 8 - 196.875mg
Day 10 - 198.4375mg
Day 12 - 199.2188mg

As you can see, system levels rapidly increase over the first 4-6 doses and approach a 200mg maximum. The dose doesn't make a difference...you will approach 2X the dose within 8-10 days.

More to come on this tomorrow...I'm too tired to finish

JoBu

 

[jacshelb]

whatever it may be, cause you are in the KNOW and i am not, then give me the courtesy of not even responding...i hope u choose to help me, id be very appreciatory...

I don't think any one person is totally "in the know". That is, no matter how much a person learns, there will always be valuable perspectives and ideas from somewhere else. If you can't get the information you want one place, there may be a good chance of finding equal or better help somewhere else.

Jacob

 

[JoBu]

If we assume a half life of 48 hours, then your system levels level out within 8-10 days depending on what you want to call level. For an example...lets look at 100mg EOD:

This would be the "system level" assuming you take 100mg on day 0 and every other day from there with a half life of 48hours...

Day 0 - 100mg
Day 2 - 150mg
Day 4 - 187.5mg
Day 6 - 193.75mg
Day 8 - 196.875mg
Day 10 - 198.4375mg
Day 12 - 199.2188mg

As you can see, system levels rapidly increase over the first 4-6 doses and approach a 200mg maximum. The dose doesn't make a difference...you will approach 2X the dose within 8-10 days.

More to come on this tomorrow...I'm too tired to finish

JoBu

Okay...here's the rest...check it out

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=196044

 

[Him1]

Posted by Nelson Montanaiet has almost nothing to do with cholesterol.

huh?