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Dorian'sDisciple
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JKurz1 said:
that my bro is your problem in a nutshell
My Training Theory...........
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that my bro is your problem in a nutshell
Dorian'sDisciple
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you have always overtrained. you don't even know what it is like to train optimally. not a flame bro in anyway..but all your crazy 6x a week double split systems are what is hurting your gains
Tom Treutlein
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Dorain, you shouldn't jump to such conclusions. Sorry, but overtraining isn't as real a thing as people really make it out to be. The body can adapt to that much work. Aparently, JKurz has been able to do so.
JKurz1
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thanx for the support bro...........Tom Treutlein said:
Dorian - Convince me that (for example) my am session of chest/calves, which is intense, that last 35 minutes and my pm training, intense, of bis which last 25-30 minutes is anywhere near as overtraining as someone that does chest and bis in one session for an hour and half?
Lord_Suston
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BE open to other's criticism but also take it with a grain of salt. Jkurz1 is showing some great progress. Now ask yourself do you think you might be able to optimize your goal and gains by doing something different that before. I do this often after each training cycle and take advice from those I trust based on research and experience. Personally I could not train 6x a week but some can. Each person is different so they respond differently, that is why we have the boards....
majutsu
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This is a funny post, because it's old, and when it was young, I agreed with Dorian. But it's clear over time than JKurz is not stupid, and he is paying attention to his body. Also, I am keeping to short erratic workouts rather than long marathon sets. Keeping to 40min workouts really lends itself to an increase in intensity. I believe the brain knows subconciously that it's going to work out for 90 minutes, so the brain prevents itself from going "balls to the wall". It's kind of like hitting yourself in the face, only the crazy can do it. When you limit your workout to 40min (half it), it seems that the weights jump about 20 lbs on big lifts after two weeks, once the brain "settles down" and believes the if it really overextends the body, it's ok, because the workout will be brief.
Also, Dorian's name sort of implied maybe a fondness for Dorian yates and an HIT influence. But he has a thread on this board criticizing Dorian Yates' workout, namely whole body each week, four day split in Dorian's case. In fact, he advocates high frequency almost HST ideas. Yet here he is bringing up "overtraining" and other Mentzerian specters which are ridiculed in HST approaches as unscientific. Frankly, I can't figure him out now, except that he likes to criticize JKurz. Maybe it would be interesting for Dorian to discuss his training philosophy for clarification, and to share his routine/stats/and growth.
Also, Dorian's name sort of implied maybe a fondness for Dorian yates and an HIT influence. But he has a thread on this board criticizing Dorian Yates' workout, namely whole body each week, four day split in Dorian's case. In fact, he advocates high frequency almost HST ideas. Yet here he is bringing up "overtraining" and other Mentzerian specters which are ridiculed in HST approaches as unscientific. Frankly, I can't figure him out now, except that he likes to criticize JKurz. Maybe it would be interesting for Dorian to discuss his training philosophy for clarification, and to share his routine/stats/and growth.
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Tom Treutlein said:
Don't believe in overtraining huh? You believe that the body adapts?
You are correct...it adapts. It stops growing and it realizes that the ONLY way that the body can sustain certain workloads is to spend more time recovering instead of growing.
THIS is the case with me. In my sport it doesn't matter how big you are, you must be strong. But...being strong doesn't get it either...you must be athletic, quick, agile, etc...as well. THIS keeps my body in an adaptation phase where it does NOT get stronger as it must use everything to physically adapt to the abuse that I am putting on it.
On another note...I've never been a fan of the 2 day split. I am a fairly large person and once I train...I need LOTS of rest time. My sessions are intense and 10-12 hours later I am NOT ready to go again. The weights that my body is pushing is very taxing and I need as much rest as humanly possible.
Even though you are not lifting but 3 days a week...there are SEVEN sessions in there. Then you add in that you are also doing 2 extra sessions of cardio only in the mix and you have NINE seperate sessions taking place per week.
My body would adapt, that is for sure. I'd get smaller and weaker.
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