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My Quest to COMPETE - BEAT THE DISEASE!

so true bigt. that is how i know when i am bigger cause i have shirts that i buy purposly a bit big instead of perfect fit. and my goal is to fill them out. when i do i start wearing them. being so fucking tall and long it gets difficult with the torso but the arms and traps are what i aim to fill out
 
solidspine said:
For a CPA you can type really well,

And I guess a lot too.


Didn’t get to read to much, are you dieting?
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:rolleyes: yes, I am trying to get to 110lbs and 15% bf at 6'1 by November 1...thanks.
 
FILL OUT THE XL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yesterday was solid......last week I did 165 at the very end of stiff leggs for 6 - 2 sets and that was it.........yesterday, 175 for the final two sets x 6.......rough but I got through it.....I gotta beat my PR of 225 x 1 on reg. deads Friday......damn....weak as hell, for someone who used to pull 4+ plates, but Iguess that's what happens when you weigh 148 in the am and 156 in the Pm.....that was my am weight today...148. clothed. Sick SICK SICK.........but this one and only fear keeps rolling thorugh my head. All this food is gonna go to my belly #1....and #2, my joints and tendons are so abused right now and so fragile that I will nevere ever be strong again. I ened to hear it from someone who has lost a ton of weight...is it possile to get back to wear I was...? Yes, I know I can be 200 again and 225 again....but honestly, will I ever be as strong as I was or has the damage been done??? Anyone beat an eating disorder or have a story?
 
Wednesday August 30, 2006


Well, today is my “off” day….3rd day of extremely light cardio at 530….maybe I need to try and go to bed later so I don’t wake up. 3 days was the max I am allowed, so now it’s up to me. No more for the entire week. Weird thing is this. Weight is up almost 7 lbs since Sunday. Hit every meal, except prebed I substitute cottage cheese and 2tsp of PB for 6oz of flank steak and 3 egg white. Just bought 3 lbs babay, pounds of flank…..so, that’ll change soon. The only other thing I skip out on is the Gatorade PW, as it’s a ton of sodium and I don’t think it’s necessary. So, my ppw meal go like this:

10 or so rice cakes and rice puff cereal (approx. 90carbs) within 15 minutes of training. That and a 35g of whey shake

45 minutes later it’s 1 cup of oats, 8oz chicken, beefm fish

1.5 hours later it’s bed….I’m missing about 60g of carbs here because I should be having the Gatorade as soon as I drop the last weight. Maybe dextrose? Then the rice cakes? Or maybe I should just man up and do what he tells me , no matter how sickening cream of rice is…..he wants me on the Gatorade, the 3 serv of cream of rice, then the oats, then pre bed…….wonder how the cream of rice would be in a shake.

Sorry for thinking out loud, but maybe you guys can help.

Next thought – am I ever going to be able to be as strong as I was? How can I go from benching 350, to benching 135 and now try and get back to 350…..is it possible? I’ll pay someone to explain it to me. Seriously.

Finally, it’s off day……WTF do I do with my meals…..carbs in the first 3? Aim for 200g for the day and switch over to p/f???? for the final 3?
 
JK.....this will be our biggest challenge of the week.....dealing with 'off day' eating. Again, you're not cutting, you're not trying to maintain a weight, you're not the average Joe trying to drop a few pounds for your class reunion, lol.....you're trying to build slabs of muscle, and you're training hard, and to top it off, you're building yourself back from a weakened state and need the food.......calories are calories are calories....all low carb does, all cutting off carbs after a certain time does, all any complicated dieting trick does, is restrict calories somehow, you don't need calorie restriction.....stick to your plan, think of it as both repairing from yesterday and fueling up for tomorrow.......cuting back cals on an off day when bulking is as foolish as a trip to Cold Stone or a SUpersized order of fries on an off day when cutting.

As far as your concern about having done irreversible damage, don't worry about it.....you'll be fine. It is all in your head, understandably so, but still, it is worries and anxiety.....you added 10lbs to your SLDL this week, so you're capble of making progress, add 10 more next week, and 10 more the next, and you'll be back where you were in college in due time.....it's just simple progression, the state you are in took 4 years of abuse to get to.....it won't take 4 years to correct, but it is gonna take more than a few weeks though....just be patient and see it through.
 
Bro,...I want to hear a 100%, yes you can be and will be as strong as you once were if not stronger...I want that reissusrance....can anyone give it to me??
 
That is what I meant....you'll be able to reach where you were, if not better....I was just saying you're making progress from week to week now, so let that be a reassuring sign.......life happens to people, people get injured, etc etc......there are lots of comeback stories out there, if anybody has one, post up.
 
BiggT said:
That is what I meant....you'll be able to reach where you were, if not better....I was just saying you're making progress from week to week now, so let that be a reassuring sign.......life happens to people, people get injured, etc etc......there are lots of comeback stories out there, if anybody has one, post up.
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that last set yesterday took everything I had...dont know if I can beat it...I know I coldnt do it right now....

Why do you say keep the carbs in ALL of my meals?? What is the difference if I switch over to fats and protein and get the same cals? Ill hold less water and feel less bloated, no?

Many bulkers do it, so I thought....

what If I take out the 8oz yam in meal 3 and use a 1/2 cup dry oats instead and just munch on them dry? Or toss em in my salad?

Give me your word bigt, that the muiscle damage isnt already done.....how can it just bounce back from skin and bones? fucking anxiety!
 
JK....if you keep eating, you'll keep adding to the bar....you're nowhere near your body's potential and the sky is the limit right now......the only thing to do is go in next week, add 10 more lbs, and bang them out, you'll get them, and right now you can just simply go in and add to the bar and get stronger (and bigger) I guarantee it.....the body is an amazing thing, it will repair itself and thrive, but it needs to be fed though.

About the carbs on a non-workout day..... you know more about nutrition than I do, I've said it all along.....but, in terms of weight gain/loss, calories ARE calories....if you'd be more comfortable making a substitution, just make sure you get in the same calories that you normally would have.
 
My off day is tomorrow.....squats and pulls tonight.....I can't wait for tomorrow, lol, it's nice to come home from work at 5 like the rest of the world one weeknight during the week.
 
JKurz1 said:
Anyone beat an eating disorder or have a story?
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howdy

not an eating disorder but...
back in 04 i was around 230 at 10%. then i moved to a different city with a change of job. the job was so fucking crazy - travelling all the time, both within the city and to nearby cities. i used to work a min of 10 hrs a day, sometimes including travelling, i'd be out of the house for over 24 hrs, sleeping on inter city buses in that time. eating was shit, i got really sick and withing 4 months i was down to 175. i had stopped working out BTW. then i joined a gym and tried to get back, but it was too difficult - i used to have zero energy, and anyway, i couldn't eat enough. i stayed that way for another 5 mths, then changed jobs. i hit some financial problems (basically i took a bank loan to help a friend) so i thought i wouldn't join a gym till things got better - the interest every month was killing me. finally after 5 more months of waiting for the problem i just started working out again as best as i could. that was last september. i was then a fat 190 or so. eating was far from ideal till feb or mar this year (i was just in deep shit financially to eat big). but even though things are not totally back to normal now financially, i;ve been able to eat and workout and now i'm at 230 at around 13-14. not bad, considering last year this time i was 190 at 20.
 
I am afraid I have done irreversible damage since I still train heavy as I can and HAVENT taken months off......thoughts?
 
JKurz1 said:
I am afraid I have done irreversible damage since I still train heavy as I can and HAVENT taken months off......thoughts?
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Look bro you are looking for comfort. YOu are wanting to hear what you want to hear. THe deal is you HAVENT done irreversible damage. MOre than likely you can get back to benching 350 OVER TIME but hell you might even hit 400. Your body will come back but you have to feed it. Don't worry about getting fat you are on plenty of drugs.
 
this is so fucking weird.....I literally feel like piss if more than 2 hours go by and I havent eaten...I still feel bloated, but I feel very hungry too...my hands and face get really cold.....my ankles are also swollen. So, I'm getting hungry like 1 hr after each meal and these are big meals. I called my trainer here's his quote:

"JEFF, I TOLD YOU, THERE IS NO FUCKING REASON TO BE HUNGRY DURING A BULK, SAVE IT FOR THE CUT!!!!" ummm...what do I eat? "I TOLD YOU, KEEP IT CLEAN, CHICKEN, BEEF, HAVE A SHAKE OR 10"....ummm...how about those cases of myoplex I have the RTDs....."YOU HAVE CASES???" EAT THEM!!!!!! DRINK THEM!!!!! SHAKES, PROTEIN PROTEIN PROTEIN!!

is it the EQ kicking in already even at such a low dose? it's been 55 minutes and I'm hungry...see this is why i chew so much damn gum....Im always hungry!!!
 
JK....you're not on a cutting diet, man.....don't chew gum to eliminate hunger...EAT and give your body what it needs, I am not saying to eat candy bars abd Dorritos, but drink up those RTDs, have extra chicken and brown rice, have a shake, have a bar....it may be the EQ, it may be the Test, or both, or you just may be getting used to eating and training heavier and your body wants to be back where it was.....if you're body is asking for food...FEED IT.
 
heavy_duty said:
Man I wish you would check out the support forums at http://www.curezone.com/
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actually, a good board...too bad nothing is posted of what I have. I have and am batteling anerexia nervousa. Extreme excercise couple with not enough cals = overtraining = weight and muscle loss = death (eventually). I am not and have NEVER ever binged nor been afraid to eat. MAtter of fact, I cant recall the last time (prob. since college) that I went more than 3 hours without eating something. Problem was, filling up on veggies wasnt cutting it. Or maybe it was...lol

I am gonna beat this thing....I promise you. It will not kill me.
 
BIGGT –

You probably don’t want to hear this….but I fucking hate you. You pretend to be on my team. You pretend to be my partner. You offer advice out of the corner of your mouth and then talk shit about me to others in your office, at home, in the gym, on this board, blah blah blah….about how much of a girl I am. About how I’m frail and weak and how doctors will be the only saving grace. Well the hell with you………..

















Just Kidding BROTHER!!! :chomp: 159lbs up 10 fucking pounds since Saturday morning. I am eating (actually a shake or rtd) when I am hungry (like now even though I ate 45 minutes ago, but these myoplex rtds are good – and if Tommy days use em, he does, than I will) I am eating MORE….and when I look in the mirror I see the abs faded, just a blur, but skin is still pretty tight, and getting chest striations!!! My pecs jiggle on command..I’m pumped up….but I got a fucking long roaddddddd ahead of me….I can’t even fathom 175lbs…..but I could be there shortly. I realize it’s water, test, muscle, fat and will teeter off next week (since I was depleted on Saturday), but 1-2-3 lbs a week….30lbs over the next 12 monhs….I think that’s a realistic goal….I owe it to you, you Big Fucking ox…..and the other bros who have stuck by me. Gus, Ulr, Bruce….all of you guys….I know I will have a setback…maybe tonight with delts I wont be as strong as I wanted to because my lower back is killing me from deads and I didn’t get in half as many carbs as I should have last night…but I am gonna learn. I am gonna learn three things by next wek to prove I am winning. I am going to hit everyone of my pw meals #1, I am going to stay off the treadmill for 5 days straight (well, one day is where I should start), and I am going to eat at all hours whenever the hell I am hungry!!
 
You had me there at the top of the post, JK....I was scratching my head thinking wtf for a second, lol....

I'm proud of you man.....you hit rock bottom on Sun and when people do that they either stay there or pick themselves up and fight there way back, you picked yourself up and are fighting back. I can tell you're feeling it today, brother. Do this one meal at a time, and in between, slam those shakes and RTDs....the only thing they can do is help you win this fight. What's on tap for delts tonight?
 
BiggT said:
You had me there at the top of the post, JK....I was scratching my head thinking wtf for a second, lol....

I'm proud of you man.....you hit rock bottom on Sun and when people do that they either stay there or pick themselves up and fight there way back, you picked yourself up and are fighting back. I can tell you're feeling it today, brother. Do this one meal at a time, and in between, slam those shakes and RTDs....the only thing they can do is help you win this fight. What's on tap for delts tonight?
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Far from over bro...far from over...for example, I was up at 5am this am...layed there....got a decent 8 hours of sleep, told myself I wasnt going to do any cardio and go back to be...tossing and turning, I got up to piss and got really light headed....waitied a few minutes...layed back down....got back up, dressed and next thing I know...2.8 and 12% incline for 20mins.....WHY???? 2 full meals down once again, these two are the easiest....2 cups of oats, 1tb of pb, dozen egg whites, half pound chicken breast cup of pineapple.....

I really wish I could ditch this pain. I just feel "off"....cold hands, feet, back hurts....I'm abused buiddy...royally abused. Speaking of which. I found a problem out yesterday and had no idea it was happening. I was/am addicted to vicodine. I never ever thought It was true, but I read a post than thought back and realized...I have had a half of tab every day for the past year easily. Sometimes 1 tab, but never more than 1.5 in a day. Period. SO, minor, but none the less, it had to be some of the problem if not a lot of it. It was a crutch and I flushed em all. It's now been 48 hours since I've looked at one and I am battely the WD symtons....chills, dirreahea.....headaches...pains. They say the wd is worse than the pain, so I pray this is the end....48hours should do it....its my body repairing cleaning itself out...amazing what a small amount can do to someone. Sure its not like most addicts with 10-20 a day...but an addiction none the less...and I am done.

I am wondering if that was truly half the problem? I used to train hard, feel the pain, go home, pop a tab, feel oozzy...and eat! This really helped me to eat....dont know why but it relaxed me.....oh well...tonight I will train and not use one...I got to think the pump will be that much greater!
 
thanks brotha....delts and tris in a an hour.......

THURS
seated lateral raise 3 x 6 to 10
smith behind nek press 2 x 8 to 10
dbell press 2 warms x 12
dbell press 4 x 6-10
bent laterals 3 x 8 to 12
dumbell front raises 2 x 8 to 12
TRIS
skull crushers incline 5 x 6 to 10
cable press down 3 x 8 to 12
rope cable 1 x dropset
 
I hope you realize you are improving with each moment, each day. I am really proud with how far along you are coming. I know little things will sometimes seem big or out of control right now, but just keep pushing on like you are doing. The cardio urges will end soon enough. Good work bro.
 
bruce410 said:
so true bigt. that is how i know when i am bigger cause i have shirts that i buy purposly a bit big instead of perfect fit. and my goal is to fill them out. when i do i start wearing them. being so fucking tall and long it gets difficult with the torso but the arms and traps are what i aim to fill out
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How tall are you?

<----- 6'5
 
JKurz1 said:
I am afraid I have done irreversible damage since I still train heavy as I can and HAVENT taken months off......thoughts?
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These things take time.... youre not going to wake up and be 100lbs heavier.

Lets say you gain 1 lb (no water) a week. 30 lbs (reasonable) will take you about 6 months or so. (healthier if it took you a year+) Just to put things in perspective. :o
 
BiggT said:
JK....you're not on a cutting diet, man.....don't chew gum to eliminate hunger...EAT and give your body what it needs, I am not saying to eat candy bars abd Dorritos, but drink up those RTDs, have extra chicken and brown rice, have a shake, have a bar....it may be the EQ, it may be the Test, or both, or you just may be getting used to eating and training heavier and your body wants to be back where it was.....if you're body is asking for food...FEED IT.
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Can I hire you to come to the gym and yell these things at me? :FRlol:
 
the continued support is much appreciated. I had a rough nights sleep, 56 hours without any pain meds so I hope the WD symtoms are over. Geezus, I had no idea that addition take so many forms. I know 1 tab a day isnt crazy, but it was an addiction, just like cardio, and I am beating it. I pray the worse is over. Direahea, cold and hot flashes, running nose, I thought it was all from being underweight.....I swear, I'm done cold turkey with even asprin unless I really can't tolerate it.

Woke up late this am after getting to crash around midnight. SO 6am, up and 20 minutes of light light incline. Next week, It's 3 days a week. Week after is 2, then it's 1-2 for the rest of this period. Weird thing is I am still gaining weight in bunches. I guess it's because I was so depleted. Last Friday in the am I was exactly 150lbs. Today, I was exactly 158. Prob. water and fat, but my lifts are either staying where they were or higher. Delts yesterday went well. warmups, 1 set of 10 with 50, 3 sets of 7 with 55lbs....more than Ive used in a long ass time. As long as I have a spot to get me through the initial thrust, I am ok for a few solid reps. Just my jkoints right now are very fragile. All I can keep thinking about is today. 225 x 1 pull last week.....I got to get what, 230 or 235? I am so afraid I am gonna get depressed if I am weeker, but #1 my friggn knee is swollen for some reason and #2, I shouldnt have done shit this am. DAMN me......oh well, I gott eat big today and be strong....rest for 8 hours and go hit it.

then it's dinner at a good outside grill here in ohio. My parents will be there and my uincle from california. It'll be after my pw shake. My dad called and said they were going but understood if I didnt want to go. I said Id go but Ill prob eat beforehand and just hangout (the old me)....I need to shock em. Not crazy, but a good meal, not my usual salad and chx breast. What should I order? Realistically?

7am....meal #1
3/4 cup oats (1/4 cup dry)
1 scoop elite protein
1 tb anpb (amn I could eatr a jar!)
35g from egg whites...coffee
 
You'll improve the DL from last week, I guarantee that JK. At dinner, I'd get a steak, usually a filet and some type of potato (baked or twice baked or mashed or whatever looked good) and whatever veggie it came with....start w/ salad and either soup or a small appetizer, then I'd go w/ steak or fish and a potato and veggie....go though, and order off the menu, and leave the chicken salads for the girls....you'll feel great after a nice meal.
 
You'll feel it this afternoon.....hit all your meals and get the mindset....nothing is gonna jinx you......just look at last Sun and how far you've come, you already turned that corner you kept getting stuck at for four years, no looking back now.
 
My friggn knee man....its swollen and bothering me...hopefully itll go away, no idea what I did....I'm still getting the chills, numbness and it SUCKS....honeslty feels like I'm dying....I swear, I'm cutting back on cardio....I swore I would follow the diet to a tee and I am swearing to reduce cardio....just worried cause 9 lbs in a week, has got to be fat and water....dont feel much stronger...
 
JKurz1 said:
My friggn knee man....its swollen and bothering me...hopefully itll go away, no idea what I did....I'm still getting the chills, numbness and it SUCKS....honeslty feels like I'm dying....I swear, I'm cutting back on cardio....I swore I would follow the diet to a tee and I am swearing to reduce cardio....just worried cause 9 lbs in a week, has got to be fat and water....dont feel much stronger...
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i think your still wd'ing from the vicadine with the cold chills. i've been keeping up with you daily. keep it up bro, i gained 20lbs in the 1st 4weeks and then plateaued in weight after that. some was water but most was lbm.
 
gettinripped said:
i think your still wd'ing from the vicadine with the cold chills. i've been keeping up with you daily. keep it up bro, i gained 20lbs in the 1st 4weeks and then plateaued in weight after that. some was water but most was lbm.
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ever experienced the friggn pain?
 
wow am i out of the loop!!....good luck bro. stay away from those pain killers they have no place in bodybuilding...stay strong
 
THE SUNDAY UPDATE......

SORRY i HAVENT BEEN AROUND, BUT i'VE BEEN severel depressed and isolated. Money issues right now as I need to find a nice truck or car to replace my avanlanche within 3 weeks and the Camry coupe I thought I was gonna get is gonna run $399.mnth....I wanted something around $299 max....any ideas? CHerokee? Civic and corolla fit the mold, but they arent really my style. Damn. I need to hurry up....

Training.........my other reason for depression.

I HAVENT DONE AM OR PM OR ANY CARDIO FOR TWO FUCKING DAYS IN A ROW .........FIRST TIME IN 2+ YEARS I SKIPPED A DAY AND I PLAN ON SKIPPING TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK! I AM FAT (hardly, but def. fading fast)

SCALE IS TEEETERING 162 FULLY CLOTHED IN THE AM..........good sign becauussseee

since friday all my lifts have improved!

DEADS LAST WEEK WAS 225 at the end............this week was 235. A true bitch but looked it out. I am already nervous for next friday.

Squats today 115 last week for 6 max, then for 5 on my last set. Today was 125 for two sets of 6....i know, it's a woman's weight but I need to be honest with myself...my knees and legs are so abused and so fragile and skinny from cardio that it will be awhile to get them back....sad thing is, I can remeber 4 plates, for 5 with a spot and screeeming! today I was very happy. NO MO CARDIO.....SING IT WITH ME....

diet has been rough my back is killing me but I refuse to take any pain meds whatsoever....absolutely refuse...5 days with no meds, pain is temporary, mass is forever.

1 cup of oats
25g from egg whites
teaspoon of pb (WHAT THE FUCK!!)
25 g of blend....pretrain

TRAIN LEGS!

then pw shake 36 g of whey
6 rice cakes
cup of rice puffs
glutamine

then

7oz yam
6 oz chicken
2oz fish
cup of green beans

CHEAT??? COMING?? I still need another meal of

1 cup oats
6oz chicken/fish

OR SHOULD i GO PRO/FATS AND THEN A CHEEAT LIKE

4 OZ FLANK
4 OZ CHICKEN
PB
 
JK....you're doing good.....you've turned the corner and this is the toughest point, you can keep going and it will get easier, or you can go back and be defeated......so far it looks like you're gonna beat this. You put in a solid week. You upped all your lifts and are up in bodyweight. Just repeat for this week. One week is already in the bag.

You'll get out of the obsessive cardio mindset when you see your lifts rising and your body growing muscle....you're already well on your way.

I'm proud of you , man.

About the car....that stuff sucks, but it is just life getting in the way, sometimes good, sometimes bad.....If you look into something pre-owned, but only a year or 2 old, you can do well on $300/month or so.....you can probably buy a nice '05 or '06 Durango or Trailblazer. I used to think the Ford Escape was a 'fluff' SUV, but I rode in one and they are pretty solid and in the age of gas guzzlers are a good buy, and you can probably more than likely go brand new for under $300/month. I hear ya on the Corolla and Civic, GREAT cars, but they aren't me either...If u wanna ditch the Avalanche over gas, you could look into cars like a Grand Prix or something.......what are ur plans for Labor Day?
 
BiggT said:
JK....you're doing good.....you've turned the corner and this is the toughest point, you can keep going and it will get easier, or you can go back and be defeated......so far it looks like you're gonna beat this. You put in a solid week. You upped all your lifts and are up in bodyweight. Just repeat for this week. One week is already in the bag.

You'll get out of the obsessive cardio mindset when you see your lifts rising and your body growing muscle....you're already well on your way.

I'm proud of you , man.

About the car....that stuff sucks, but it is just life getting in the way, sometimes good, sometimes bad.....If you look into something pre-owned, but only a year or 2 old, you can do well on $300/month or so.....you can probably buy a nice '05 or '06 Durango or Trailblazer. I used to think the Ford Escape was a 'fluff' SUV, but I rode in one and they are pretty solid and in the age of gas guzzlers are a good buy, and you can probably more than likely go brand new for under $300/month. I hear ya on the Corolla and Civic, GREAT cars, but they aren't me either...If u wanna ditch the Avalanche over gas, you could look into cars like a Grand Prix or something.......what are ur plans for Labor Day?
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Big man - couldnt have done this without you..2 days right now, tomorrow will be the third....abs are fading which bother me cause I have been lower on cals, but I gotta keep eating. THe big setback will be when they are totally faded, the scale is up and my lifts go down for a day or stay the same. They cant possibly go up every day....impossible.

BUT, my plans....no cheats yet, so I get a solid one in tomorrow or maybe two....rest has been a nightmare...I need something to help me rest. ANxiety is at its highest. I got heavy chest tomorrow after a big ass breakfast, bout 10am...then its all about eating...hopefully I will begin to feel beter soon!
 
Sorry bro , I had to get hard core on these Elite Fitness folks with thier white supremacy crap some tend to preach...

Anyway, I have said that alot of your issues are mental. There is alot of talk here about eating and workouts... I think psychological and mental issues turn into physical issues and from reading some of this thread the last 2 days this seems to be a solid issue. Especially the depression your talk about. Eating won't fix that.

I have a similar problem where I am not sure where I want to be or the kind of person I want to see in the mirror. But when you think to yourself "No , I want something different", you fail to take the steps forward to make the changes necessary. We're holding on to abs in the mirror and or a 6 figure pay check at a gov't agency in my case...

Anyway your anxiety seems to be fear of failure. Once one makes a change then they have to decided wheather hat change was success or failure. The fear of making changes (which result in failure) such as a relocation or a new look or not having abs seems to be the core issue from what I am reading.

I'm not sure how to put your mind to rest as my own issues I have not figured out myself. But I do think moving forward should be considered the only option

Hang in there and keep your head up
 
I used to get scared about upcoming workouts bro. Especially starting a 5x5 - aquatting 3x a week was scary at first. I can honestly say now that I so comfortable w/ it, and so excited about my strength gains that I never freat a workout anymore.

Your an honest cat bro. Don;t see a lot of that on here. Keep your head up and eat your ass off.
 
i will say i respect your honesty to the fullest jkurz. i think 90% of people on here don't post pics and lie about their stats. just too many 225 single digit guys on here with no pics to back it, sorry i dont' buy it. youre telling us the exact facts; no exaggerating or holding back and that is why i really know we can help you. most guys would be embarassed to say they weigh 148 at 6 1. you and i like ive mentioned are very similar frame wise, so i applaud the fact that you give the straight facts
 
JKurz1 said:
HERE IS THE DIET AND TRAINING SCHEDULE –

Any input will be wonderful but it was carefully drawn up, studied, etc. Not just slammed together. I am worried about so many cals, esp. from training to bed, but I need to stick to one plan and one plan only. I am open for suggestions, but please don’t make this harder by discouraging me, as I said, I respect you guys and listen wit both ears open:


DIET:
250MG TEST CYP/WEEK – 250MG EQ/WEEK
CREATINE, GLUTAMINE, VIT BS, AIMF, SPLENDA, SPLENDA, SPLENDA!

730 (75 CARBS)
OATS 1.25 CUP
(1/4 raw oats)
1 TB OF PB
EGG WHITES 9
EGGS 3

10 (80 CARBS)
OATS 1 CUP
CHX 6 OZ
PINEAPPLE 1 CUP


1230-130 (70 CARBS)
CHIKEN 60Z
YAM 10 OZ
HUGE SALAD!

PRE TRAIN (1-2 CARBS)
300-330 CASEIN 2 SCOOPS
PB 2TB

5:30 TRAIN

615-630
GATORADE 3 TB (75 G CARBS)
VANILLA
VANIALL BLEND 50

7:15
CREAMERY RICE 3 SERV (100 G CARBS)
WHEY 2.5 SCOOPS
OR (DEPENDING HOW BLOATED STOMACH CRAMPS, ETC)
A SLEEVE OF RICE CAKES, CHEAP CEREAL PUFFS, ETC. (100 G OF CARBS WORTH)

800
BROWN RICE 3 SERV (80 CARBS)
6OZ ROGUHY
ASPARAGUS 8

9:15 (ON MY PILLOW!!!!!!!)
FLANK 8OZ (28G FAT)
WHITES 4
OR
1 CUP COTTAGE CHEESE, 30G OF FAT FROM NUTS AND NUT BUTTERS, LARGE CASEIN SHAKE!


9:30 – LIGHTS OUT
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Quit worrying about your abs. I don't have a six pack but I have a massive strong body that's relatively lean and I'd much rather have that than have a six pack. My 6 year old daughter had a six pack
 
Tuesday -

Well, the stomach pain is still there and gets much much worse as the day goes on....My hands and feet get numb often and my blood pressure is extremely low. Not sure what the hell the deal is, but
something def. aint right. Researching eating disorders, both are common
symtoms, but I just don't know when it will stop. I skipped cardio for three days
which was absolutely huge for me although my overall calories were less on
those days due to being out and about and not on my work schedule.
I still cant stay out of the mirror, stomach is constanty bloated. Just don't feel
so hot. I hope I am not dying. I am on track today with my 2 meals….probably
1200 cals thus far and its only 1030. Did 20 light ass minutes of incline walk
this morning only because I got 9 hours of sleeep and I was up. Damn…I know
its not gonna do any muscle damage or even fat loss, but it's sanity. I gotta
do it three times max this week, no more! I weighed in at 157-8 teetering so
I still cant get the 160 mark. I am almost convinced I need to go all out and
just scarf till I feel sick all day. I mean slam….gain about 5 lbs in water and
some fat, see the abs are totally gone, no more mirror and just go. Think this will
make my body feel better? I know it's kill my stomach and depression, but as
long as my body hands and feet feel better I'd do it….when will I feel better?
170lbs? 180? I mean I see dudes that are 120lbs and they just don’t look as bad as I do.
Prob. Cause they are 20% bf….any help?
 
JK, have you asked your dad about the numbness and low BP?? I am not qualified to give medical advice, and I know from both personal experience and everybody I know, when you go to websites and start researching symptoms for ANYTHING, the natural tendency is to self-diagnose with disaster, and sometimes just talking to a Doctor can put you at ease......so, maybe at least just run it by your dad.

Are you wearing that XL shirt in the mirror?? lol.....seriously, people's frame and bodytypes vary, you can't compare yourself to anyone else really with respect to bodyweight.....plus, depending on frame, you can/should carry anywhere from 10-15lbs more per inch of height, at 150, you probably looked like a 5' 10" guy who would weigh 110-120lbs......Plus, remember how tall you are, a lot of people exaggerate their height and how many 5-9 guys do you know who walk around saying they're 6'??? lol.....you're a legit 6'1-6'2....that's pretty damn tall, man, your skeleton probably weighs 120lbs.

You ARE doing much better on the cardio.....your lifts will keep simply going up for a while, and when they stall, don't worry, EVERYBODY hits plateaus, you just either take a deload week, or you tweak rep ranges or alternate in a different lift, etc etc to keep progressing.

Did you eat anything good at that outdoor grill on Fri?

Here is a link to check out......I am not saying "do this".....but you like to read and research and hear different schools of thought. A lot of what you read is centered around negative stuff, and articles geared for people who do not lift weights and do not want to be muscular......check these out to at least pump up your mindset...especially look at the "Shit or get off the pot" 3 part series from kelly baggett.

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/bodybuilding.html
 
BiggT said:
"Shit or get off the pot" 3 part series from kelly baggett.

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/bodybuilding.html
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Kelly Baggett is pretty kewl. His main focus is vertical leap and doing squats to improve explosion. I think his programs have some ploymetrics in them as well.

Colcolj has a thread where there are pictures of him dunking flat footed. Kelly is about 5'10 prolly 170 , but they say he squats 400... Anyway, I didn't like the thread because it doesn't focus on basketball any , but "creation of an explosive mofo" I believe is still there.

I would agree that Kelly Bagett should have pretty good advise
 
also, say I str8 legged 175 for 2 sets of 6 last week, do I go to 180 or 185? Last week was rough, and I am afraid it will mess me up for Friday deads.....but I should be ok, right?
 
JK....first set of 6, go to 180, if it is not an all out effort, go to 185 for the last set, if you feel you can't add more, stay at 180 for both sets......SLDL and DL are tough to push in the same cycle sometimes.....Tues/Fri is a good recovery scheme, when training a lift twice a week days like tues/fri, mon/thurs/, wed/sun work well, so programming-wise this can work, if the pulling from the floor really overtaxes you (it may or may not) then I'd swap SLDL for GMs and DL on Friday.....but if you're managing fine, then keep on doing.

For the cardio, you don't HAVE to do cardio of course.....the 20/min of walking 3 times a week is harmless and really won't do much besides wake you up, flush ut any stiffness/soreness from the previous night's workout, and help you sleep better at night from getting up so damn early....with your history over the last couple of years, I'd say bag it all together for the next few months, BUT if it makes you feel better, it is pretty harmless AS LONG AS you don't add intensity/frequency to the 20 min walk 3 X's a week.
 
Jeff , I've been saying you should stop doing morrning cardio for a few years now. I think you should stop altogether...

If you want to remove soreness/stiffness for a previous workout and get the blood pumping a little bit, do circuit training.

I guess body pump may be good also


BiggT said:
JK....first set of 6, go to 180, if it is not an all out effort, go to 185 for the last set, if you feel you can't add more, stay at 180 for both sets......SLDL and DL are tough to push in the same cycle sometimes.....Tues/Fri is a good recovery scheme, when training a lift twice a week days like tues/fri, mon/thurs/, wed/sun work well, so programming-wise this can work, if the pulling from the floor really overtaxes you (it may or may not) then I'd swap SLDL for GMs and DL on Friday.....but if you're managing fine, then keep on doing.

For the cardio, you don't HAVE to do cardio of course.....the 20/min of walking 3 times a week is harmless and really won't do much besides wake you up, flush ut any stiffness/soreness from the previous night's workout, and help you sleep better at night from getting up so damn early....with your history over the last couple of years, I'd say bag it all together for the next few months, BUT if it makes you feel better, it is pretty harmless AS LONG AS you don't add intensity/frequency to the 20 min walk 3 X's a week.
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Wednesday September 6, 2006

Today starts with we teetering on the 159 mark…..up a solid 10lbs since the beginning, 2.5 weeks ago, but I have been less than consistent with my diet. The weekends are rough for me cause I’m not on a schedule. I get my protein in every 2.5-3 hours no matter what, but sometimes carb sources are scarce. Durin the week, I’m a machine EXCEPT when it comes to postworkout. In orer to get all three pw meals in I Have to take my shake, rice cakes, creatine, oats stack at 6:30, then an hour later its 1 cup of oats and 8 oz chicken and beef then prebed is an hour after that of 8oz flank, so it’s not easy getting three meals in 3 hours, plus after my first pw meal I am zonked, so it’s like eat, sleep/eat/sleep/eat….guessw I should be doing that anyways.

Yesterday was tough man. Worked my way up to 180 for 6 on str8 leg deads then 185 for 6. Pumped yes, but it’s almost like they are becoming reg deads. Legs are stiff, but I am locking out and holding it to muster up enough umfff to pull it from the floor again. Should I lower the weight or is this ok as long as I am getting the deep stretch?

4 sets of good mornings, 3 sets lying curls, 3 sets seat, 6 sets calf, 6 sets abs and then I laid down on the bench. Someone left 155 on the bar. 2 weeks ago, due to my joints, fatigue, weekness in my shoulders, I could barely do 155 for 1 rep, solid. Monday, I did flat dbell press with 70’s, which was a pr for me (obviously during this transition as I used to use 110s, sorta sad but was also 100;bs heavier, almost)…..70s for 5 solid reps and a negative. Anyways, I looked at the bar and told myself not to do it. For 1, I training chest on Monday and for 2, for fear of it crumbling on me. Then I remembered what my dad told me on the phone this weekend when I told him I skipped cardio for the first time in 2 years. He said “:Jeff, I am proud of you….however, this is only a minor step….granted, it’s a solid minor step, but you still have to keep at it. Just make sure you don’t skip on calories to make it seem all ok. (then he continued)…..You know son, with this diseasem it’s like a devil on you shoulder. When that devil talks, I want you to do the exact opposite. That devil told you to do cardio, you said fuck off devil, and you won….this time” Truer words have never been spoken. So guess what, that devil said don’t touch the bar….you had a good workout go home. BANG…8 solid reps……racked up, about pissed myself, and went home…….not hungry, smoked a bowl which was very very dumb cause it only made me tired……then it made me hungry and I slammed all my 3 meals and crashed……………I feel swole, chest is developing,,,,veins are running through my shoulders….granted I am tiny….but I am staying lean and vascular. A wise man once said “FILL OUT THAT XL SHIRT JEFF!!!!”
 
Jeff, I'm proud of you too, you are hitting PRs and gaining bodyweight.....while it is impossible to be 100% certain on form without seeing something first-hand......what you are doing on the SLDL sounds okay. Again, there are 2 ways to do these, (1) as a main lift to push forward (in which case what you did is perfectly fine) and (2) as more of an accessory/iso lift, where you don't really push the weight for weekly increases as much as you try to keep textbook form.

All in all, you're doing good, man.
 
Oh yeah....are you planning on catching any OAC games this weekend?? How about them Purple Raiders.....64-7, lol....I wanted to see Wilkes U on Sat and see if they're as good as advertised, but they moved the game to William Patterson because of the shitty weather we had in NE PA over the weekend, they pounded WP though.
 
its slow...very slow....like today...off day and I hate it....obviously did 20 mins of light ass cardio (actually bigt, try 2.8 at 12% today for a few minutes, tell me if you think it is "nothing"...it's not easy.....imagine it for 35-40 7 days a week, lol..actaully it was like 3.5 then....

and then a 10 minutes circuit of machines, 15 reps, just to pump the blood....all my meals so far and its 1pm...I cut my sweet potatoe in half and had half of an acorn squash....then the rest of my meals will be pro/fats....and fiberous veggies....

3pm
4oz flank
4oz chicken

6pm
large salad
4oz chicken
2oz taliapia

prebed
4oz flank some cc

crashing early......


No oac games anymore bro, but if you wana hook up one weekend, Im in....
 
alright, cool.....I am gonna goof around on the treadmill tonight and let ya know....if it is tough, I am gonna recommend you bag it in favor of the light circuit as per gjohnson........I know the 'off days' have been tough for you in the past, but just do it up like last week, 1 meal at a time, you're both repairing and fueling up for tomorrow.......that t-shirt better be a little tighter tonight than it was yesterday.
 
BiggT said:
alright, cool.....I am gonna goof around on the treadmill tonight and let ya know....if it is tough, I am gonna recommend you bag it in favor of the light circuit as per gjohnson........I know the 'off days' have been tough for you in the past, but just do it up like last week, 1 meal at a time, you're both repairing and fueling up for tomorrow.......that t-shirt better be a little tighter tonight than it was yesterday.
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tighter around the stomach...lol......hey, I just am going pro/carbs for my first three and pro fat for my lasts.....I like it, like the way I feel (although for awhile now it hasnt been too hot).........just less bloated.
 
Keep at it bro. I was once there. I was 144lbs at 6'4. It took a while to get to 220lbs naturally before hitting the sauce and then even more time, and even a lot more food to get to where I am today. It takes time and there are many times along the journey that you will naturally doubt yourself. When you start out low like us it takes a while to even look normal, let alone big. But the good news is that once you do get those gains coming, you will notice them. Month by month, year by year.

The way you get there is intense workouts and tons of food, not looking in the mirror causing yourself needless worry. We are all our own worst critic. I bet you look a lot better than you will allow yourself to see. Follow Biggt's advice and wear a tshirt when you look in the mirror. This will all be easier if you don't allow your mind to play tricks on you. You should be proud of yourself, you are doing a great job. You can only continue to go up from here. :)
 
Thats right, brother, 240 is getting owned tonight.......how did your off-day go?....and yesterday too?
 
Not bad....just losing gym motivation...it's the stomach pains, it's the mental approach to becoming a tubbo....it all is just a lot to deal with...question. This was my routine for last week and then below is what I thought I'd TRY for this week...am I burning myself out, ?? Or does it look ok............

95x12, 140x10, 170x6, 180x6
185x6, 190x6, 210x2, 235x1


95x12, 145x10, 175x6, 180x6
190x6, 195x6, 215x2, 240x1
 
It looks good, man....it is a smart approach to training.....gradually doing more and more work over the weeks is what will build muscle....I like it a lot, it's definitely not too ambitious or too high of a jump.

You won't become a tubbo, but you will, however, become one badass motherfu*ker.

How are you doing with the test/eq? Are you feeling them in full-swing?
 
nice progress on the lifts, jeff. if you keep adding weight to the bar on a caloric surplus diet like you're on currently, you are definitely going to slap on more muscle. and then when you factor in the other goodies (you know what i'm talking about ;)), that's only going to multiply some more.
 
225 2 weekws ago on deads............235 last week....................245 was a battle yesterday........250 from the floor!! I am scared fellas......255 will be HELL! if I have a set back, I'll lose it.....I'm afraid Im taxing my system doing str8 legs on tuesday heavy and then deads on Friday..........I am liking this powerlift9ng shit......Like today I got arms....yippeee....who cares.....Bench squat trows and eventually I will prob like squats when my knees can handle the weight.....I need to ditch the cardio.....gettn fatter though.
 
Damn, this was a lot of reading, not sure I took in everything so excuse me if I mention something out of place.

I'm just gonna throw out a couple of tips that have helped me gain weight over the years.

1.) Ditch the cardio altogether man.

2.) Although calories are important, and you want to consume enough to gain weight, I wouldn't get too anal on measuring and counting calories. Really, when it comes to gaining wt/muscle in the off season for me, I just aim for 50-100 gram of protein with each meal and add in servings of starches throughout each meal. For example, If I have chicken or beef or whatever for protein, i'll slam down 2 cups of rice, pasta or whatever it is that I am eating. Sometimes i'll slam down mac and cheese with cottage cheese mixed in with it. Just make sure you are getting protein with each meal and then add in a lot of Low-med GI carb sources. Eat every 2-3 hours.

3.) Don't be afraid to eat fast food every now and then man. Seriously, take yourself to a burger joint and eat a few cheeseburgers and stuff. Of course, I am not recommending this every meal or even every day for the most part, but if you crave something, just eat it. Just try and stick to a protein and carb meal plan throughout the day and every thing else can be added in. Slipping a fast food meal in every now and then can definately break the ED mold of doing the same ol' tiresome thing day in and day out. You'd be amazed at how much strength gains will come from this as well. Let's put it this way, almost every "big guy" I know eats whatever they want whenever they want as long as they have some kind of backbone diet to follow on. I'm not sure I explained this good enough, but maybe you at least get an idea of what i'm trying to say. I swear that if you lived close to me, i'd kidnap you ass and drive your ass to the nearest Carls Jr. :)

4.) Limit fiber. Although fiber has its place, when you are trying to add in calories, fiber can fill up the stomach and blunt hunger. If you are eating a lot of meals every day with good whole grain selections, vege's and their fiber content will not be needed very much at all. I'm not sure, but some of the stomach ache/pain you are receiving could also be from too much fiber. Usually when I eat too much fiber, i'll feel bloated throughout the day and it really makes it hard to continuously eat without feeling like shit from my stomach hurting. Save the vege's more for dieting. If you need fiber, add in 1-2 serving of beans/lentils every day. Beans are an awesome choice with the red meat and chicken meals that you are eating every day.

5.) Keep red meat intake high. I swear by it for weight gain. I usually buy the 9% fat red meat at Costco.

6.) If you are eating a lot of prot and carb sources throughout the day, you will also be getting in a good amount of fat with each meal. I'd add in a few extra Tablespoons of Peanut butter and maybe olive oil to your daily intake. Flax oil is cool if you can stand the actual shitty taste. Just keep it away from your post-workout meal.

7.) It's normal for anybody when gaining weight to feel sloppy at times and most DO feel the skinny-fat syndrome. So, just because you have an eating disorder, just know that even people like myself feel the same way when bulking, who do not even have a disorder. You'll be amazed at the strength gains you'll start accumulating once you get your bodyfat over 10-12%. If you read most of the guys journals or dieting experiences here on this board, even those who have had successful BB lifestyles, most will tell you that when they are bulking, they never feel big enough. Most, including myself, when bulking, feel small outside of a shirt when it is taken off. I've been as high as 265-lbs in bodyweight at 12-15% bodyfat, and still felt small and fat. I know i'm not small by most standards, but it is also a psychological feeling that even us "regular" guys feel as well. There will be guys who gain tons of muscle with minimal fat gains, but this is a small population.

8.) What has worked best for me is no more than 3-4 days each week of weight training, WITH NO CARDIO. Keep it basic and just concentrate on compound movements like you are already doing and add in a few supplemental exercise if needed. Change up your routine every few weeks. Iron God (he's married to FitnessChick), an ex-mod on here, almost never does the same workout each time he does a body part. Dan Duchaine mentioned this as well. Just stick to basics and you will be fine.

9.) Find yourself a Mexican woman...lol. I swear all they worry about is cooking and eating all damn day. Plus the added money you will spend on taking them out for food will work in your favor as well:)

Man, i'll add more later if you need me too. I don't want to conflict with every body else (not that I do) too much and just confuse you even more.

One more thing, can the gum and just eat something. These little habits are still setting you back on the main anabolic agent....FOOD!

One more, more thing. I'm not familiar with your AAS history, but i'd definately switch up the Eq for one of the Nandrolones. Nandrolones just make you feel good. Your joints and pains will feel better. If you are not susceptible to progestin sides, i'd definately switch up in a heart beat. Just something to throw out there for you to think about.

BMJ
 
One more, more, more thing. Don't over look the fact that from the time you started this thread up until today's date, it hasn't even been a month yet. This stuff doesn't happen over night. You are on the right track. Don't look back and stop until you reach your goal. You've already done the hardest change, which is admitting you have a problem and the start of correcting it.

BMJ
 
Thanks for the long thread bro....Its totally mental and I attribute 99% of it to finding the internet and these bb boards....The big difference between me and the others as I was too once 245ish and sub 12%, stong and looked good...didnt know shit about nutrition and lived the active college football life. Then I stumbled into an office where I sit all day, found these boards that say dont eat this past this time and dont eat that with that and thats too many carbs and thats too high of gi etc....seriously.....thats where this whole fucking thing started.

I still look at my abs, still get depressed, still do 20 minutes of a crawl cardio....still feel like shit (feet are numb, ankles swollen) and although I am getting stronger or think I am (maybe I started out too light???) and maybe the scale is all water retention?? There is gonna be a time where I go to the gym like today for legs and cant do what I did last week........let alone beat it. Thats where I will lose it.....
 
JK....how's your weekend going, brother? I'd imagine better than mine being OH State won big and Penn St got violated, lol......about your question on deads, if you can progress on both conventional and SLDL, keep going, once something starts to give, I'd sub in GMs for SLDLs and train them progressively and still try to push the DL......you should just simply progress at this point, BUT, we all suffer from the handicap that is called being human, you will stall out at some point, EVRYONE does, how you handle it is what separates the men from the boys....you can take it like a man and tweak and adjust your program and bust through it, or you can freak out and derail everything....when you do slow down, there is a way through it, so just stay focused on the big picture, which is to keep getting better.
 
JKurz1 said:
Thanks for the long thread bro....Its totally mental and I attribute 99% of it to finding the internet and these bb boards....The big difference between me and the others as I was too once 245ish and sub 12%, stong and looked good...didnt know shit about nutrition and lived the active college football life. Then I stumbled into an office where I sit all day, found these boards that say dont eat this past this time and dont eat that with that and thats too many carbs and thats too high of gi etc....seriously.....thats where this whole fucking thing started.

I still look at my abs, still get depressed, still do 20 minutes of a crawl cardio....still feel like shit (feet are numb, ankles swollen) and although I am getting stronger or think I am (maybe I started out too light???) and maybe the scale is all water retention?? There is gonna be a time where I go to the gym like today for legs and cant do what I did last week........let alone beat it. Thats where I will lose it.....
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Don't pay any attention to this crap.....the guys spouting off about that crap are typically about 5'10 and a whopping 170lbs soaking wet with a brick in their pocket and don't know the first thing about being either big or strong. They also probably haven't grown an ounce of muscle or progressed a lick in the gym since the Clinton administration, lol.......you're not trying to follow Oprah's average Joe workout.....you were a 250lb middle 'backer, forget about all the crap you read for the average Joe and the Abercrombie crowd.
 
Hey BigT - Thanks brutha for everything.....scale I think is stuck at 159, cause that was my weight again today. Did my 20 minutes of light walking even though my calories well carbs, were too low yesterday, and the scale is still in the same spot...I thought it would be down. Oh well, didnt sleep well. Squats were up 5lbs, so each week it's getting better. Today I got chest, but tris are a tad sore...I always start with dbell press, but today I might switch it up to incline barbell press than hit dbell press. So I obviously wont set a new pr this week, but def, shock the muscles. Good idea? You know, I was thinking...I am only getting in about 175g of carbs pretraining....isnt that low? 3 meals of pro/carbs, then my premeal is fats and protein (flank steak and tuna) about 1.5 hours pre......oh well....I need to lose this bloated ass feeling.....lower stomach region makes me feel about 350lbs....

Oh and my ankles and feet are really swollen...is it poor circulation and holding water from the test?? I'm using aimf.....hmmm....
 
JKurz1 said:
Hey BigT - Thanks brutha for everything.....scale I think is stuck at 159, cause that was my weight again today. Did my 20 minutes of light walking even though my calories well carbs, were too low yesterday, and the scale is still in the same spot...I thought it would be down. Oh well, didnt sleep well. Squats were up 5lbs, so each week it's getting better. Today I got chest, but tris are a tad sore...I always start with dbell press, but today I might switch it up to incline barbell press than hit dbell press. So I obviously wont set a new pr this week, but def, shock the muscles. Good idea? You know, I was thinking...I am only getting in about 175g of carbs pretraining....isnt that low? 3 meals of pro/carbs, then my premeal is fats and protein (flank steak and tuna) about 1.5 hours pre......oh well....I need to lose this bloated ass feeling.....lower stomach region makes me feel about 350lbs....

Oh and my ankles and feet are really swollen...is it poor circulation and holding water from the test?? I'm using aimf.....hmmm....
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As always you are mind fucking it to death bro - just eat and train and wake up when the Test is gone and replan from there. Do what Tony and your trainer telly ou and you will be fine.

I really am hearing improvement in your posts - besides the micro managing of each meal, etc.

I am bulking right now and I agree that the bloated feeling is tough to deal w/. I feel like a fat ass eating 2hrs after I just ate - especially when I am still full!
 
Jk i am amazed that you are still debating over cardio. you really need to drop it all together my man. i am packing on muscle here and not getting fat at all, no cardio just lots of lean steak and chicken. you don't need cardio till you fill out that XL tee and feel its time to cut down a bit
 
Tuesday - Sept. 12th

Well, my weight is skyrocketing........for me anyways....to think I started at a anicpated 140lbs (actually 139 at one point) 2 weeks ago Sunday, today I hit the scale in the exact same attire at 160!!!!!!!! The abs are fading AND I am doing 20 minutes of cardio most every am. It's obviously too light of cardio and I cant imagine my weight if I didn't do it. Abs are really blurry. WOndering if I am holding a ton of water from the cyp, even though it's at 250mg a week. Ankles are swollen by the end of the day.

In other news, all my lifts are going up. 70lbs dbell press wasnt possible two weeks ago because my delts are so weak. I was getting 60s for 8 at the end...yesterday I got 70's with 5 smooth reps and then a little help for 2-3 more...2 sets. I know I am weak but progressing.

BigT - what did we decide on the str8 deads I have today? Wondering if my lower back pain is from deadlifting 2x a week.....should I go higher rep for the deep stretch today? Does that still build mass in the 8-10 range vs the 6 range? I have also been doing 3-4 sets of good ams, higher rep. Looks like this:

HAMS
SEATED CURL 3 X 6-10
LYING CURL 3 X 6-10
DEADS (2 WARMS)
8,8,6,6
HYPERS X 3

CALF
STANDING RAISE
4 x 6 to 10
SEATED RAISE 4 X 10-15

ABS
haning leg raises
cybex runch 3 x 15 to 20 each

He's changing my diet today...just go the email. I think it's gonna be crazy...9 meals! I'll post it later.......
 
JK, with the SLDls...you can build an area with 8-10 reps, just so long as you're adding to the bar every week.......it is tough after a point to push both SLDL and DL in the same cycle.....I'd try the SLDL lighter and for a stretch and treat it as more isolation and keep hammering the DL heavy and hard as a main staple to the routine. Also, be careful with the GMs, they're tough with SLDL, I'd rather do one or the other and really make it count. Personally (this is just me) I always found GMs to be the superior exercise.

Congrats on the 20lbs gain.....are you starting to feel like your old self again?
 
Try not to count water weight. Certainly don't count it as fat and then try to account for it by reducing calories. By all means attempt to control it with an AI but, otherwise, try to ignore it since it merely clouds the issue of your bodyweight as well as clouding your abs. Since you have practically no idea how much water you're holding, it really is time to stop worrying about your weight. Check on it every few days to be sure that the general trend is upwards but the scale can tell you very little that's worth knowing at this stage of your cycle.

Forgive me if I've missed something but I'm pretty sure that you were in the 160s in your previous thread.
 
I did Jeff, and I'll tell you what....the speed means nothing, lol, at that level incline, that was no joke.
 
Today is my off day..sorta tired, but thinking I need the day off before heavy deads (tomorrow) more than today.....and then train delts/tris today. I haven't had a full off day since last wednsday, but arms on sat and just quads on sunday with just hammys and calves yesterday are equivalent to an off day,,,no? Here's what he did to my diet:

replace pre with 6 oz chix and 1 tbsp olive oil.
prelace pre bedt flank with 5 oz chix 2 tbsq flax. for now

DIET:
250MG TEST CYP/WEEK – 250MG EQ/WEEK
CREATINE, GLUTAMINE, VIT BS, AIMF, SPLENDA, SPLENDA, SPLENDA!

730 (75 CARBS)
OATS 1.
(1/4 raw oats)
1 TB OF PB
EGG WHITES 9
EGGS 3

10 (80 CARBS)
OATS 1 CUP
CHX 6 OZ
PINEAPPLE 1 CUP


1230-130 (70 CARBS)
CHIKEN 60Z
YAM 10 OZ
HUGE SALAD!

PRE TRAIN (1-2 CARBS)
300-330 CASEIN 2 SCOOPS
PB 2TB

5:30 TRAIN

615-630
GATORADE 3 TB (75 G CARBS)
VANILLA
VANIALL BLEND 50

7:15
CREAMERY RICE 3 SERV (100 G CARBS)
WHEY 2.5 SCOOPS
OR (DEPENDING HOW BLOATED STOMACH CRAMPS, ETC)
A SLEEVE OF RICE CAKES, CHEAP CEREAL PUFFS, ETC. (100 G OF CARBS WORTH)

800
BROWN RICE 3 SERV (80 CARBS)
6OZ ROGUHY
ASPARAGUS 8

9:15 (ON MY PILLOW!!!!!!!)
FLANK 8OZ (28G FAT)
WHITES 4
 
I'm all for eating and everything, but that sleeve of rice cakes at night is buggin' the heck out of me. I would have changed that a long time ago. Everything else looks cool though. I probably wouldn't have included your post-workout shake on non-workout days as well. Those are the only 2 things I would change.

I didn't realize you were 140-lbs before this. I thought you were starting somewhere in the 150'sh range. That's like 20-lbs in a month.

One thing that is true about anorexic women (I know you are not a woman) is that when they rebound from their illness, and start eating 'normal' again, they will generally start regaining bodyweight/fat in the stomach region due to their lack/low estrogen levels. Most women with normal-high estro levels will hold their bodyfat in their lower region, but when test dominates or when estro is lowered, it tends to shift up to the stomach region, much like a mans. Since test is flowing through you, and since you are coming off your 'illness,' this may explain the bloatedness you are feeling in the stomach. Most women will report stomach pains and bloatedness in the same area when they are recovering. It will take a little bit of time for things to return to normal from a digestibility standpoint. btw...i'm not saying that the test/estro ratio is effecting your stomach bloat/pains, just stating that bodyfat may come in different sites until hormonal status is recovered...since you are using AAS, this is probably of no concern. The digestibility is a different animal, but thought i'd point it out.

I do remember Wilson6, a very knowledgeable bro that used to post over on the women's boards, state that AAS use has helped in depression, as well as post-anorexic depression.

You are headed in the right direction.

BMJ
 
not sure what you are saying completely.....I understand the bloated part but I think its due to my large fiber intake.....are you saying that all the weight I gain will be stored in the stomach region???


THe rice cakes are post workout simple carbs....necessary...usually it's a couple with a cup of quick oats

train today or not? It's the best i've felt in a few days now.....I think I need ot listen to my body more...shoulda taken yesterday off.......
 
JK....on the off days, they are very important, but I am also a believer in the art of training for an experienced lifter.

Next up is delts/tris.....what did you do yesterday? and Mon?
 
Biggie - what does a believer in the art of training for an experienced lifter.
mean? Go for it if I feel like it? Just wanna do some high rep, different delt movements....o/h press and arnolds....he usually has me doing dbells and smith machine...

Str8 deads yesterday pr and chest mon dbell press pr......I think delts grow better with higher reps.....agree?
 
I worded that kind of weird. Most anorexics will undergo a change in their hormonal status. As you probably already know, for normal women, they will gain most of their bodyfat in their lower body region (also due to alpha-2 receptors, etc). When a female BB takes androgens or test, sometimes their bodyfat might shift up to the mid-region like a man's. This takes some time probably. This probably wouldn't be noticeable on like 1 cycle, not sure. For anorexic women, their estro levels will be lowered dramatically. For some reason, i'm not sure if it's a rise in natural test levels or what, but when they once again start eating (post-anorexia), they will at also start to gain fat and water/bloat to their mid-section. They will regain muscle at an excellerated pace and store bodyfat, when it is stored, mostly in the mid-section...much like the male patterns.

For a man, i'm not real sure how it will play out, but since you are taking AAS, your regain will probably be like any other normal mans. However, i'm not real sure, but thought i'd point it out in case things seemed weird (ie gaining fat in places you never had before/previously). Mainly just something to think about. The addition of AAS and AIFM as an AI will definately help maintain the male hormonal status. Also, AAS have been used for post-anorexic patients.

Obviously, calories in excess will also add bodyfat to the above I mentioned. However, in your case, I wouldn't worry too much about that at this time.

The stomach issues as far as water/fat gain are gonna most likely be normal, as any other male would experience.

However, the bloatedness (not extracellular water weight necessarily) can be from digestive enzymes not being currently up to normal levels. Thus a harder time on the digestive track and maybe/probably even absorption problems. As I stated on my earlier post a few days ago, and like you just posted above, too much fiber can have this affect on even normal people. I'm sure a post-anorexic state would make it even worse. I'd have to pull out my diet therapy books to know exactly which enzymes may or may not be effected from this state. It happens a lot not only with anorexics, but also commonly seen in most African cultures suffering from malnuttrition.

It's hard to know how severe your case is/was, but just know that it may take some time until your digestive system is back up and running normally and optimally. Thus, it may be beneficial to ease your way into things from a calorie standpoint. I'm pretty sure that gastric motility and emptying will be sub-optimal for a while as well. Eating foods in excess will also depend on how tolerant you are to the pains, discomfort, etc. However, like I mentioned earlier, just eat whenever you can. I wouldn't get too anal on counting calories, just eat a lot whenever you can and whenever you feel comfortable. As time goes on, and as things positively progress, you will be able to eat a lot more. I'm not sure how fast things will normalize.

BMJ
 
Jeff, it just means that training isn't an exact science, and when you're experienced enough not to be 'all over the place' and lose site of goals, it is okay to listen to your body and make adjustments on the fly.

As far as delts and growth, I feel they're like everything else.....the rep range for growth doesn't matter so long as it isn't neural and it isn't pure endurance, they'll grow if weight is added to the bar consistently over whatever rep range.

If you feel the tris and shoulders are ready to go after Mon, then you've been doing this long enough to make the call on your body......you've been eating well, and the test is working at this point....if you want to do it up, go at it.....then take tomorrow to fuel up and get ready and rested to kill the deadlift on Fri.
 
mr B - just make it simple man......is the weight I gain going to my stomach??????????? See , exactly why I wanted to be on aas and everyone was against it....guess I did do something right, eh?
 
No, it will not all go directly to your stomach. You should be fine.

Hope the above didn't confuse you too much.

I'm kind of confused though. I was under the impression that you suffering more from anorexia, but in another thread, you stated that you have always ate a lot. Just want to clear this up?

Or, did you think you were eating a lot at the time, but now realize you were not eating much at all?

Sorry my man, I am just trying to get an understanding of your background.

BMJ
 
Actually, I just reread your initial post on this thread and it answered my above questions.

Jkurz--"So I apparently cut my cals even more. And more. And more and here I am. A victim of exercise nervousa, where I wouldn’t eat jack if I didn’t know or hadn’t worked out that day."

The longer you are in an anorectant state, the worse or harder it will be on your endo, and like I mentioned above, your digestive systems. Keeping estrogen at bay with your AIFM will probably help with your typical male estro-induced fat patterns.

However, in regards to fat accumulation, remember that it is inevitable even with normal participants.

BMJ
 
YES!! I ATE ALL THE TIME...EVERY 2-3 HOURS...NOT ANEROXIC, JUST A FEAR OF LOSING MY 6 PACK SO I DID CRAZY CARDIO + TRAINED EVERYDAY AND THEN I'D EAT FIBEROUS VEGGIES WITH ALL MY PROTEIN. So I've always eaten well, clean and a ton of protein, just lean protein and veggies, cottage cheese and a little oats.....
 
MR. BMJ said:
Thanks for clearing that up.

BMJ
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So what can I expect? Why would you get rid of the rice cakes pw? Simple carb.....I just hate the way dextrose makes me feel....I also use rice kripsies and a protein shake....simple carbs as well and always within 25 minutes of training.....

Trained delts last night, good pump and I'm getting stronger......

Woke up this am at 5:15, 20 minutes low intensity treadmill and some abs....today is suppose to be my off day. I was wondering....what would be the harm in going in again today and doing lower body and giving the upper body a break? I sit for 10 hours all day, and eat........so isn't that considered resting? COuld I do a upper/lower.upper etc. split everyday and make gains or is this a shitty idea? I mean, if I have the time and it's short with intensity, would there be a problem. Leg press, leg extentions, hyperextension, leg curl and calves...then squats on Sunday? Weight this am is coming back down. I can never seem to stay over that 160 mark. Why? I dont know. I was having stomach issues, so he decided to nix the pb and pineapple but I havent really changed anything else. Suppose to add olive oil, but I havent bought any yet, so actually I am losing cals. Also, I am only getting in about 150g of carbs post training till bed. SO I am under the given mark there. Although, I have woken up at about 2am the past 4 nights and raided the fridge. All protein of course, chicken, lean beef, casein protein mix etc......is this benefitial?
 
i thought that you never really got above the 2000 cal mark before you hired your present PT? or maybe i'm mistaken... i'm not sure where exactly Mr B is headed with his discussion, but i thought i'd add this... so if it was true, then with all the excess cardio, you should have been in a pretty anorexic state i guess?
 
silver_shadow said:
i thought that you never really got above the 2000 cal mark before you hired your present PT? or maybe i'm mistaken... i'm not sure where exactly Mr B is headed with his discussion, but i thought i'd add this... so if it was true, then with all the excess cardio, you should have been in a pretty anorexic state i guess?
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i AM SURE i WAS ABOVE 2000 BUT never counted cals..........yes, obviously...at 6'1 and 140 Id say so....funny thing is, it was honestly like one day I was 200, the next I was 179 and then 140.....so fuckin weird, but everyone is MAJORLY MAJORLY concerned...just got a letter from my uncle who came in from CA last week.....said he didnt even recognize me......fucked up...
 
JK....when is the DL day scheduled?

Of course upper/lower splits work well......as long as you're progressing, then the organization is insignificant and is simply a means to an end.

Again, though, don't lose sight of the fact that taking days off during the week is not a bad thing.
 
Hey Jkurz, is there any chance at all that you would take 2 weeks off from cardio completely? If not, then 1 week? I think you will very pleased with the results. I am not the most knowledgeable person on this board, far from it. But I've come a long way in the past year, and I know what has worked for me. I know you wanna put the weight on fast so I cringe whenever I see 'cardio' on your posts, even if it is 'light cardio.' I'm not bashing you or your cardio at all, I've been following along with this thread and followed your last few that you've had, and I'm rooting for you all the way. You and BiggT both, cuz he's in this as much as you are :)
 
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