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My Quest to COMPETE - BEAT THE DISEASE!
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JKurz1
Banned
Today is my off day..sorta tired, but thinking I need the day off before heavy deads (tomorrow) more than today.....and then train delts/tris today. I haven't had a full off day since last wednsday, but arms on sat and just quads on sunday with just hammys and calves yesterday are equivalent to an off day,,,no? Here's what he did to my diet:
replace pre with 6 oz chix and 1 tbsp olive oil.
prelace pre bedt flank with 5 oz chix 2 tbsq flax. for now
DIET:
250MG TEST CYP/WEEK – 250MG EQ/WEEK
CREATINE, GLUTAMINE, VIT BS, AIMF, SPLENDA, SPLENDA, SPLENDA!
730 (75 CARBS)
OATS 1.
(1/4 raw oats)
1 TB OF PB
EGG WHITES 9
EGGS 3
10 (80 CARBS)
OATS 1 CUP
CHX 6 OZ
PINEAPPLE 1 CUP
1230-130 (70 CARBS)
CHIKEN 60Z
YAM 10 OZ
HUGE SALAD!
PRE TRAIN (1-2 CARBS)
300-330 CASEIN 2 SCOOPS
PB 2TB
5:30 TRAIN
615-630
GATORADE 3 TB (75 G CARBS)
VANILLA
VANIALL BLEND 50
7:15
CREAMERY RICE 3 SERV (100 G CARBS)
WHEY 2.5 SCOOPS
OR (DEPENDING HOW BLOATED STOMACH CRAMPS, ETC)
A SLEEVE OF RICE CAKES, CHEAP CEREAL PUFFS, ETC. (100 G OF CARBS WORTH)
800
BROWN RICE 3 SERV (80 CARBS)
6OZ ROGUHY
ASPARAGUS 8
9:15 (ON MY PILLOW!!!!!!!)
FLANK 8OZ (28G FAT)
WHITES 4
replace pre with 6 oz chix and 1 tbsp olive oil.
prelace pre bedt flank with 5 oz chix 2 tbsq flax. for now
DIET:
250MG TEST CYP/WEEK – 250MG EQ/WEEK
CREATINE, GLUTAMINE, VIT BS, AIMF, SPLENDA, SPLENDA, SPLENDA!
730 (75 CARBS)
OATS 1.
(1/4 raw oats)
1 TB OF PB
EGG WHITES 9
EGGS 3
10 (80 CARBS)
OATS 1 CUP
CHX 6 OZ
PINEAPPLE 1 CUP
1230-130 (70 CARBS)
CHIKEN 60Z
YAM 10 OZ
HUGE SALAD!
PRE TRAIN (1-2 CARBS)
300-330 CASEIN 2 SCOOPS
PB 2TB
5:30 TRAIN
615-630
GATORADE 3 TB (75 G CARBS)
VANILLA
VANIALL BLEND 50
7:15
CREAMERY RICE 3 SERV (100 G CARBS)
WHEY 2.5 SCOOPS
OR (DEPENDING HOW BLOATED STOMACH CRAMPS, ETC)
A SLEEVE OF RICE CAKES, CHEAP CEREAL PUFFS, ETC. (100 G OF CARBS WORTH)
800
BROWN RICE 3 SERV (80 CARBS)
6OZ ROGUHY
ASPARAGUS 8
9:15 (ON MY PILLOW!!!!!!!)
FLANK 8OZ (28G FAT)
WHITES 4
I'm all for eating and everything, but that sleeve of rice cakes at night is buggin' the heck out of me. I would have changed that a long time ago. Everything else looks cool though. I probably wouldn't have included your post-workout shake on non-workout days as well. Those are the only 2 things I would change.
I didn't realize you were 140-lbs before this. I thought you were starting somewhere in the 150'sh range. That's like 20-lbs in a month.
One thing that is true about anorexic women (I know you are not a woman) is that when they rebound from their illness, and start eating 'normal' again, they will generally start regaining bodyweight/fat in the stomach region due to their lack/low estrogen levels. Most women with normal-high estro levels will hold their bodyfat in their lower region, but when test dominates or when estro is lowered, it tends to shift up to the stomach region, much like a mans. Since test is flowing through you, and since you are coming off your 'illness,' this may explain the bloatedness you are feeling in the stomach. Most women will report stomach pains and bloatedness in the same area when they are recovering. It will take a little bit of time for things to return to normal from a digestibility standpoint. btw...i'm not saying that the test/estro ratio is effecting your stomach bloat/pains, just stating that bodyfat may come in different sites until hormonal status is recovered...since you are using AAS, this is probably of no concern. The digestibility is a different animal, but thought i'd point it out.
I do remember Wilson6, a very knowledgeable bro that used to post over on the women's boards, state that AAS use has helped in depression, as well as post-anorexic depression.
You are headed in the right direction.
BMJ
I didn't realize you were 140-lbs before this. I thought you were starting somewhere in the 150'sh range. That's like 20-lbs in a month.
One thing that is true about anorexic women (I know you are not a woman) is that when they rebound from their illness, and start eating 'normal' again, they will generally start regaining bodyweight/fat in the stomach region due to their lack/low estrogen levels. Most women with normal-high estro levels will hold their bodyfat in their lower region, but when test dominates or when estro is lowered, it tends to shift up to the stomach region, much like a mans. Since test is flowing through you, and since you are coming off your 'illness,' this may explain the bloatedness you are feeling in the stomach. Most women will report stomach pains and bloatedness in the same area when they are recovering. It will take a little bit of time for things to return to normal from a digestibility standpoint. btw...i'm not saying that the test/estro ratio is effecting your stomach bloat/pains, just stating that bodyfat may come in different sites until hormonal status is recovered...since you are using AAS, this is probably of no concern. The digestibility is a different animal, but thought i'd point it out.
I do remember Wilson6, a very knowledgeable bro that used to post over on the women's boards, state that AAS use has helped in depression, as well as post-anorexic depression.
You are headed in the right direction.
BMJ
JKurz1
Banned
not sure what you are saying completely.....I understand the bloated part but I think its due to my large fiber intake.....are you saying that all the weight I gain will be stored in the stomach region???
THe rice cakes are post workout simple carbs....necessary...usually it's a couple with a cup of quick oats
train today or not? It's the best i've felt in a few days now.....I think I need ot listen to my body more...shoulda taken yesterday off.......
THe rice cakes are post workout simple carbs....necessary...usually it's a couple with a cup of quick oats
train today or not? It's the best i've felt in a few days now.....I think I need ot listen to my body more...shoulda taken yesterday off.......
JKurz1
Banned
Biggie - what does a believer in the art of training for an experienced lifter.
mean? Go for it if I feel like it? Just wanna do some high rep, different delt movements....o/h press and arnolds....he usually has me doing dbells and smith machine...
Str8 deads yesterday pr and chest mon dbell press pr......I think delts grow better with higher reps.....agree?
mean? Go for it if I feel like it? Just wanna do some high rep, different delt movements....o/h press and arnolds....he usually has me doing dbells and smith machine...
Str8 deads yesterday pr and chest mon dbell press pr......I think delts grow better with higher reps.....agree?
I worded that kind of weird. Most anorexics will undergo a change in their hormonal status. As you probably already know, for normal women, they will gain most of their bodyfat in their lower body region (also due to alpha-2 receptors, etc). When a female BB takes androgens or test, sometimes their bodyfat might shift up to the mid-region like a man's. This takes some time probably. This probably wouldn't be noticeable on like 1 cycle, not sure. For anorexic women, their estro levels will be lowered dramatically. For some reason, i'm not sure if it's a rise in natural test levels or what, but when they once again start eating (post-anorexia), they will at also start to gain fat and water/bloat to their mid-section. They will regain muscle at an excellerated pace and store bodyfat, when it is stored, mostly in the mid-section...much like the male patterns.
For a man, i'm not real sure how it will play out, but since you are taking AAS, your regain will probably be like any other normal mans. However, i'm not real sure, but thought i'd point it out in case things seemed weird (ie gaining fat in places you never had before/previously). Mainly just something to think about. The addition of AAS and AIFM as an AI will definately help maintain the male hormonal status. Also, AAS have been used for post-anorexic patients.
Obviously, calories in excess will also add bodyfat to the above I mentioned. However, in your case, I wouldn't worry too much about that at this time.
The stomach issues as far as water/fat gain are gonna most likely be normal, as any other male would experience.
However, the bloatedness (not extracellular water weight necessarily) can be from digestive enzymes not being currently up to normal levels. Thus a harder time on the digestive track and maybe/probably even absorption problems. As I stated on my earlier post a few days ago, and like you just posted above, too much fiber can have this affect on even normal people. I'm sure a post-anorexic state would make it even worse. I'd have to pull out my diet therapy books to know exactly which enzymes may or may not be effected from this state. It happens a lot not only with anorexics, but also commonly seen in most African cultures suffering from malnuttrition.
It's hard to know how severe your case is/was, but just know that it may take some time until your digestive system is back up and running normally and optimally. Thus, it may be beneficial to ease your way into things from a calorie standpoint. I'm pretty sure that gastric motility and emptying will be sub-optimal for a while as well. Eating foods in excess will also depend on how tolerant you are to the pains, discomfort, etc. However, like I mentioned earlier, just eat whenever you can. I wouldn't get too anal on counting calories, just eat a lot whenever you can and whenever you feel comfortable. As time goes on, and as things positively progress, you will be able to eat a lot more. I'm not sure how fast things will normalize.
BMJ
For a man, i'm not real sure how it will play out, but since you are taking AAS, your regain will probably be like any other normal mans. However, i'm not real sure, but thought i'd point it out in case things seemed weird (ie gaining fat in places you never had before/previously). Mainly just something to think about. The addition of AAS and AIFM as an AI will definately help maintain the male hormonal status. Also, AAS have been used for post-anorexic patients.
Obviously, calories in excess will also add bodyfat to the above I mentioned. However, in your case, I wouldn't worry too much about that at this time.
The stomach issues as far as water/fat gain are gonna most likely be normal, as any other male would experience.
However, the bloatedness (not extracellular water weight necessarily) can be from digestive enzymes not being currently up to normal levels. Thus a harder time on the digestive track and maybe/probably even absorption problems. As I stated on my earlier post a few days ago, and like you just posted above, too much fiber can have this affect on even normal people. I'm sure a post-anorexic state would make it even worse. I'd have to pull out my diet therapy books to know exactly which enzymes may or may not be effected from this state. It happens a lot not only with anorexics, but also commonly seen in most African cultures suffering from malnuttrition.
It's hard to know how severe your case is/was, but just know that it may take some time until your digestive system is back up and running normally and optimally. Thus, it may be beneficial to ease your way into things from a calorie standpoint. I'm pretty sure that gastric motility and emptying will be sub-optimal for a while as well. Eating foods in excess will also depend on how tolerant you are to the pains, discomfort, etc. However, like I mentioned earlier, just eat whenever you can. I wouldn't get too anal on counting calories, just eat a lot whenever you can and whenever you feel comfortable. As time goes on, and as things positively progress, you will be able to eat a lot more. I'm not sure how fast things will normalize.
BMJ
BiggT
New member
Jeff, it just means that training isn't an exact science, and when you're experienced enough not to be 'all over the place' and lose site of goals, it is okay to listen to your body and make adjustments on the fly.
As far as delts and growth, I feel they're like everything else.....the rep range for growth doesn't matter so long as it isn't neural and it isn't pure endurance, they'll grow if weight is added to the bar consistently over whatever rep range.
If you feel the tris and shoulders are ready to go after Mon, then you've been doing this long enough to make the call on your body......you've been eating well, and the test is working at this point....if you want to do it up, go at it.....then take tomorrow to fuel up and get ready and rested to kill the deadlift on Fri.
As far as delts and growth, I feel they're like everything else.....the rep range for growth doesn't matter so long as it isn't neural and it isn't pure endurance, they'll grow if weight is added to the bar consistently over whatever rep range.
If you feel the tris and shoulders are ready to go after Mon, then you've been doing this long enough to make the call on your body......you've been eating well, and the test is working at this point....if you want to do it up, go at it.....then take tomorrow to fuel up and get ready and rested to kill the deadlift on Fri.
