My Quest to COMPETE - BEAT THE DISEASE!

[JKurz1]

I am still feeling back and stomach pain when I sit....it's like I got a huge balloon in my stomach and the little fat I do have rolls when I sit and just is extremely unconfortably....I dont get the blockage feeling either, I'm not constipated, it just feels like it.....nice topic at lunch, sorry....

Here's the deal. I AM COMPLETELY FINSISHED!!!!!!!!!! ABSOLUTELY DONE......NO MORE.................will I vist another site. THis is it....too many wacks out there and who the hell do I trust? Right now, I got solid faith in BIGT and Gus (although both you monsters are on the fat side....well, I know Gus is, but you guys are strong, and thats where I wanna be.....sub 10% but strong........)

whelp...I just had my 3rd meal...I went with the acorn squash, 8oz turkey...large salad....because it tastes good......that why......huge green tea to boot.....1:15pm no training today....dang!

 

[BiggT]

JK, the only person you need to trust is yourself. You have lots of knowledge and are perfectly capable of giving solid advice to others......so just apply that knowledge to yourself.

Most people genuinely want to see you succeed with this.....like anything on an open forum, there will be bashers and haters and people with negative things to say, or people just fucking with you.....blow it off, man.....you know what you need to do and you have your fair share of support here from people who really want the best for you.

I know it is an uphill battle....training and eating and living this lifestyle is hard enough, then you throw in all that history of the eating disorder from the past couple of years......just look to the time before that, pre-4 years ago.....you're no different, man......just do what you need to do........

This is just to look through, I will post a link to my journal...I've got pics throughout...I probably eat about 6000-6500 cals a day (not saying you should do this), I'm 255 @ 6' I don't know my BF%, but nobody has ever described me as fat, I am 'fat' compared to a guy standing on stage with paper thin skin and veins everywhere, but again, that condition is unrealistic when trying to get big and strong, and it is impossible to hold for more than a few hours.......the only point in doing this is just for you to read, again, I am not saying do as I do, but I hope at least it keeps you interested in lifting heavy and getting bigger.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6554507#post6554507

 

[Bruce]

i am glad to see that the eq is up to 550 now. however that is the least of your problems. i am not going to say this over and over again but you need to just eat man and quit thinking about it. get over this mental fixation you have, especially with your abs. if you are this good at getting lean then it won't be a big deal to to up a bit in bf while you bulk then you worry about dieting down. right now you eat everything. i dont' know about your shakes or whatever but you seem to have a lot of things in the diet that just provide the protein or carbs but are not going to help you grow as well as whey and good old meat will. 16 oz of beef and 10 oz of chicken is a minimum for you imo. i am taking in 2 lbs of beef and a lb of chicken ed as mentioned. ok i am 25 and have an insane metabolism, so you are not gonna be able to do everything i do but lean meat is not gonna turn you into a sloppy fatty. GET OVER THE FACT that YOU R GOING TO PUT ON a bit of BF!!!!!!!! and eat damnit. i want you to get over this hump or i wouldve gave up on you a while ago. if you want the help start eating like a bulker. good luck

I need Bruce's input too, but I really appreciate that Gus. I will stop the am cardio. I promise. Look, it's been knocked down from 35 mins 7x a week to 4 or 5 and 20.....niext step is 1 or 2 at 20 then its nill...cant stop cold turkey.

I don't know where you are seeing a shake?????? You guys keep saying tha but my only shake is pw....yes, I use a protein blend, but you cant beat the bi valaue esp. first thing in the am (which is the only time other than pre workout)....so there I confused. The pineapple is an excellent food. Not only for digestion, a great carb, but the gi is much much slower when the chicken and oats are added. I think of oats and yams as the two best carb sources out there...there I used them quite a bit, that wont change.'

I agree my fats needs increased...so I am going to reduce carbs after this enxt meal and just have protein, fats and veggie????????

How can you say eat oats at night when I havent trained? The other dude he is training he has eating a high gi food post workout even on his off days...thats something I disagree with. I sit all day and work and eat...then I am suppose to have oats before bed? Explain this......gus....thanks man.

 

[JKurz1]

i am glad to see that the eq is up to 550 now. however that is the least of your problems. i am not going to say this over and over again but you need to just eat man and quit thinking about it. get over this mental fixation you have, especially with your abs. if you are this good at getting lean then it won't be a big deal to to up a bit in bf while you bulk then you worry about dieting down. right now you eat everything. i dont' know about your shakes or whatever but you seem to have a lot of things in the diet that just provide the protein or carbs but are not going to help you grow as well as whey and good old meat will. 16 oz of beef and 10 oz of chicken is a minimum for you imo. i am taking in 2 lbs of beef and a lb of chicken ed as mentioned. ok i am 25 and have an insane metabolism, so you are not gonna be able to do everything i do but lean meat is not gonna turn you into a sloppy fatty. GET OVER THE FACT that YOU R GOING TO PUT ON a bit of BF!!!!!!!! and eat damnit. i want you to get over this hump or i wouldve gave up on you a while ago. if you want the help start eating like a bulker. good luck

Bruce........please take my diet and edit it........I want to see your input now that Ive gotten everyone else's......

 

[JKurz1]

I usually eat at 1pm, 5pm and 8pm on my off days since there is no training.....ok, right?

 

[CO B-man]

EEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaat brother EEeeeeeeat! Red meat tons of it, Fish tons of it, tuna fish tons of it, Whey protien tons of it EEEEGGGgggssss eat a million a day, chicken eat a pen full of chickens (Sams club for 5.27 you can get a 4 lb whole chicken eat it for a snack. you need to not cheat your body from the fuel it needs.
You can feed your car oil but without the gas you are not gonna go anywhere. Multivitamin.

 

[CO B-man]

I usually eat at 1pm, 5pm and 8pm on my off days since there is no training.....ok, right?

Eat every two hours!! You should talk to makavelli about diet. He is highly respected in that area!

Believe it or not you have to eat certain fats to burn fat! Flaxseed oils, PB. You need to eat carbs too in order to give your body energy to burn fats (Dont fall into the Atkins craze) Your body wants to save fat when it thinks it is going into a famine (forced starvation) and whats the next best thing your body thinks to burn? Muscle!!!

 

[JKurz1]

its more like 7am, 10am, 1:15, 3:45, 5:45pm, 830-900

 

[Tweakle]

So running a gram a week of gear is a ''light HRT''? I'm the last person to comment on responsible AAS use but come on, I'm running about that much and have over 80lbs on you. fair enough, half of it is EQ but still.

here's the deal, for the last time. Train 3 times a week, no more. Lift heavy and hard on the basics. Do cardio a max of 3 times a week, and no hard. Eat lots of red meat and eggs. Sleep. Don't stress. And most importantly the one thing you're missing is the most important ingredient of all.. patience.

and when did BigT become a member of NAAFA?

 

[JKurz1]

So running a gram a week of gear is a ''light HRT''? I'm the last person to comment on responsible AAS use but come on, I'm running about that much and have over 80lbs on you. fair enough, half of it is EQ but still.

here's the deal, for the last time. Train 3 times a week, no more. Lift heavy and hard on the basics. Do cardio a max of 3 times a week, and no hard. Eat lots of red meat and eggs. Sleep. Don't stress. And most importantly the one thing you're missing is the most important ingredient of all.. patience.

and when did BigT become a member of NAAFA?

Cant find my error bt it's only 250mg a WEEK!!!! it's been a total of 500mg each ince I started last Thursday:

wk 1 THURS - 125MG EQ/125MG TEST

wk2 TUESDAY - SAME
SUNDAY - SAME

wk 3 TODAY WAS 150MG OF EQ ONLY
TOMORROW WILL BE 125MG OF TEST

with me?


just increased mhy cals - meal 3 at 345 pm....

6oz lean beef
4 oz orgne roughy

 

[gjohnson5]

BTW , Jkurz1 calls me Gus... Not sure where that came from, but it's kewl

Hey J, me and you need to switch places. I may start setting the clock for 5:00am and doing your cardio on an empty stomach. But it will have to be for like 40 minutes atleast, then a breakfast

But back to you , I think you should follow my high fat bulker diet. But my diet will not contain coke , pizza or chocolate bars like other people have mentioned here. I don't care who you are I don't think anyone should eat that stuff...

I am still feeling back and stomach pain when I sit....it's like I got a huge balloon in my stomach and the little fat I do have rolls when I sit and just is extremely unconfortably....I dont get the blockage feeling either, I'm not constipated, it just feels like it.....nice topic at lunch, sorry....

Here's the deal. I AM COMPLETELY FINSISHED!!!!!!!!!! ABSOLUTELY DONE......NO MORE.................will I vist another site. THis is it....too many wacks out there and who the hell do I trust? Right now, I got solid faith in BIGT and Gus (although both you monsters are on the fat side....well, I know Gus is, but you guys are strong, and thats where I wanna be.....sub 10% but strong........)

whelp...I just had my 3rd meal...I went with the acorn squash, 8oz turkey...large salad....because it tastes good......that why......huge green tea to boot.....1:15pm no training today....dang!

 

[CO B-man]

But my diet will not contain coke , pizza or chocolate bars like other people have mentioned here. I don't care who you are I don't think anyone should eat that stuff...

Shit no wonder my cutter is going to hell I keep listening to everyone here. At least I am pretty sure the dozen krispy Kremes are a great rush of clean carbs to start the day! Everyone cant be wrong on that one I dont care what anyone tells me! LOL!



Disclaimer: I can not be held responsible for any of my comments or actions. I am to be held harmless. do not listen to what I just said not that I think you would. And kids just getting home from kindegarten this is not to be used as evidence to your parents for changing your diets!

 

[gjohnson5]

LOL

The next person who gets exersize anorexia, we'll just need to attach feeding tube onto a soda fountain and put the other end of the feeding tube in the dudes stomach....

He'll be fixed in no time

Shit no wonder my cutter is going to hell I keep listening to everyone here. At least I am pretty sure the dozen krispy Kremes are a great rush of clean carbs to start the day! Everyone cant be wrong on that one I dont care what anyone tells me! LOL!



Disclaimer: I can not be held responsible for any of my comments or actions. I am to be held harmless. do not listen to what I just said not that I think you would. And kids just getting home from kindegarten this is not to be used as evidence to your parents for changing your diets!

 

[JKurz1]

for real.....how would u edit my diet....do it and I promise to follow each edit for a minimium of 2 weeks...I'm serious. As long as its legit and truly recommended. My on days and off days will be the same.....training the same.....most lean mass gained will win these friggn 10 cases of bars I have here sitting for months....mmmm...a jar of pb and some bars???? CHEAT!

 

[JKurz1]

for real.....how would u edit my diet....do it and I promise to follow each edit for a minimium of 2 weeks...I'm serious. As long as its legit and truly recommended. My on days and off days will be the same.....training the same.....most lean mass gained will win these friggn 10 cases of bars I have here sitting for months....mmmm...a jar of pb and some bars???? CHEAT!

THURSDAY –

Sort of a rough morning….7.5 hours of sleep, up at 5:30 and when I stood up I felt uneasy, low blood pressure. COntiplating going for my morning stroll, I went, 20 minutes incline, read the new Flex, watched the news, abs……weighed in at 153, up 2 lbs which is weird cause although I ate more in calories yesterday, my off day, I ate less carbs.

Six pack is still there. I think I’ve got a distorted image. I look at someone who says they have a four or six pack and,standing under the proper lighting, after working out, not eating for awhile, you can somewhat see the abs. I have full strations on the obliques. Is that what I should look at? Those finger like strations? Not the abs? Then, when they go away, then I know I’ve put on some fat? Just a side pose twist?

Got home and showered. Time for my .5cc of cyp. 125mg in the front quad, funny how when I used to cycle a 22” would go all the way in, now the bone (cause their isn’t much muscle, stop it short.) it doesn’t TRULY matter where on the quad you hit, right? Anyways, my 5th 125mg inj. No feeling right now.

I would LOOOVE to get rid of this balloon like feeling I have when I sit down. It’s almost so painful sometimes I want to die. This would def. help me to eat more. Anyone help? It’s in the “pussy pouch region”….above the waiste and below the belley button that sensitive tummy portion that just feels so bloated. Cure? Less sugar alcohol? I’ve severely cut back, not on gum chewing, but on alcohols.

Welp, on my way to work…..

1 cup rolled oats (1/4 dry to munch on)
1 fat tb of pb
1 scoop whey
2 full eggs
12 egg whites – cook this all up and it’s honestly heaven. I could eat this all day every day by the canister…..this is why I don’t need to cheat. Toss in a few splendas and I am the happiest kid around…….damn, I wish I could eat this at night, at 2am, wenver….just give me a jar of pb, some eggs, and a canister of oats and promise me I’ll stay lean! Lol…Delts and tris tonight. He always starts me on the smith for delts, then the next week will be dbell….tonight is the smith.

Final note, he called me last night. Ask how my off day was going and told me I NEED to not change my diet on off days. I fought back for the first time. Why in the same hell, after doing nothing all day, would I need 250carbs in the form of rice cakes, cream of rice, Gatorade, and rolled oats between 6 ad 9pm??? Makes no sense…it’s like taking a gallon of dextrose on your off day….btw – I didn’t listen…not this week anyways.

 

[JKurz1]

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thoughts

 

[Bruce]

ok jk sorry was moving here is what i think needs to be changed

730 (75 CARBS)
OATS 1.25 CUP
(1/4 raw oats)
1 TB OF PB
EGGs 9 (as mentioned you want the healthy cholesterol and you don't need to be eating whites)


10 (80 CARBS)
OATS 1 CUP
CHX 6 0Z. (dunno if you mean chex mix) but it should be
chicken 10 oz
PINEAPPLE 1 CUP


1230-130 (70 CARBS)
CHIKEN 10 0Z (from 6 to 10) need that meat brotha it won't make you fat
YAM 10 OZ
HUGE SALAD!

PRE TRAIN (1-2 CARBS)
edited 2 cups of oatmeal or brown rice, you need carbs pre workout
PB 2TB
2 grams or taurine
5:30 TRAIN

615-630(is this post workout?)
GATORADE 3 TB (75 G CARBS) great call this is what i use for dextrose as well
50g of whey


7:15
CREAMERY RICE 3 SERV (100 G CARBS)
edited from whey to 10 oz of lean beef or chicken
OR (DEPENDING HOW BLOATED STOMACH CRAMPS, ETC)
A SLEEVE OF RICE CAKES, CHEAP CEREAL PUFFS, ETC. (100 G OF CARBS WORTH)

800
BROWN RICE 3 SERV (80 CARBS)
10 OZ ROGUHY(from 6 to 10 again brotha, come on j you are a man.
ASPARAGUS 8
50g of whey before bed makes a world of difference for me. lmk if you like or not
9:15 (ON MY PILLOW!!!!!!!)
FLANK 8OZ (28G FAT)
WHITES 4
OR
1 CUP COTTAGE CHEESE, 30G OF FAT FROM NUTS AND NUT BUTTERS, LARGE CASEIN SHAKE!


9:30 – LIGHTS OUT

 

[JKurz1]

so pretty much all you did was up all my protein portions...lol...cmon on bro...everyone else says the carbs are too high and fats are too low now you say my protein needs ramped......DO YOU GUYS SEE WHY I GET CONDFUSED? nevermind I said anythig.......I am following the original....I just need to work on getting all those in for now....if it doesnt work after 12 weeks, Ill check myself in.........I know for damn certain, more protein isnt the answer.........300+ g is PLENTY for someone my size. Now, more meat, an extra egg, instead of whites, or very lean beef/turkey could help.....but the portions are fine!

 

[Bruce]

so pretty much all you did was up all my protein portions...lol...cmon on bro...everyone else says the carbs are too high and fats are too low now you say my protein needs ramped......DO YOU GUYS SEE WHY I GET CONDFUSED? nevermind I said anythig.......I am following the original....I just need to work on getting all those in for now....if it doesnt work after 12 weeks, Ill check myself in.........I know for damn certain, more protein isnt the answer.........300+ g is PLENTY for someone my size. Now, more meat, an extra egg, instead of whites, or very lean beef/turkey could help.....but the portions are fine!

bro you need meat that is all i am saying. you nit pick way too much man. get in that amount of meat a a minimum and yes a post workout and pre bedtime whey shake is very important. other than that i like the diet so i left it. truthfully i would eat at least a lb of beef and chicken a day but its on you man. i tried

 

[JKurz1]

I could eat protein all day long man.......I was just concerned about the carbs......tis all....and the fats....I'm only getting fats from 2tb of pb a day + hlaf pund red meat and 2 eggs.....adequate?

 

[JKurz1]

also, do you have a copy of your current diet saved? Or is it fly by night? Every 3 hours? If you got it, post it up!

 

[Bruce]

also, do you have a copy of your current diet saved? Or is it fly by night? Every 3 hours? If you got it, post it up!

yea i will have to look for it in my pm box. i thought i sent it to you hold on

 

[Bruce]

here man. this is what i was doing, i have dropped the pasta and am going 2lbs of beef a day with 1 lb of chicken or fish now.
breakfast 3 eggs 70 cals each 18g protein
oatmeal 2 packets 260 cals 6g protein
two sausage patties 150 cals 8g protein
meal 2: naked chocolate karma 360 cals 25g protein
yogurt 150 cals 6g protein
two tbsp of peanut butter, 200 cals 16g of healthy fat 8g of protein
meal 3: turkey sandwich 300 cals est. 20g protein
metrx berry blast 50g protein with the milk and 400 cals
two more tbsp of pb

meal 4 pre workout: naked chocolate karma 360 and 25g 3 g of arginine 2 gram taurine
meal 5: lb of steak and 20 oz of gatorade.
wait one hour then
meal 6: lb of chicken or steak
one box of de cecco pasta 1600 cals 48g protein(now only a half a box) so 800 cals
(i eat this pasta throughout the night. my appetite gets bigger at night
meal 7: finish off the remaining steak and chicken. smoke a bowl and down a metrx berry blast 50g of whey and hit the sack
now that ive dropped some of the pasta and whey not sure on exact figures but its still around 5000 cals or more and with the added meat probably above 300g of protein now. i do eat sushi on mondays instead of my meal 6 steak and chicken, or i'll get a deep dish pizza. i cannot always get this in if my stomach is not up to it. i smoke a lot of endo to keep the appetite up. remember i can eat krispy kremes and not gain an ounce of fat

many nights i substitute ahi or salmon for the chicken or beef. mondays i eat a big deep dish pizza along with the pasta no meat. if i eat sushi i'll just add the beef or chicken and an extra bowl of rice. naked chocolate karma is a drink you buy, they are 2 bucks or so at a health food store. its a ready to go and tastes like chocolate milk. a great way to throw in almost 400 cals and 25g of protein. keep in mind that i am counting cals. i might not be able to stomach all that pasta eat that much in the morning one day. so the diet is more than 5000 cals and 300g of protein but i just want to get to 5000 in case i have to catch up. hope that helps.
KEEP IN MIND THIS WAS WHAT I WAS DOING UP UNTIL A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN I STARTED ON 2LBS OF BEEF AND 1 LB CHICKEN. I MAKE SURE TO GET ALL THAT MEAT IN EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOW SECONDARY. The naked food drinks i swear by still cause they are like drinking a chocolate milk no joke. i am not doing the post workout whey anymore just taking in as much steak as i can post workout with some gatorade.

 

[JKurz1]

very interesting....kleep in mind you are much younger and active all day.....plus you have a great metab. I was a skinny fat kid ALL my life...in elelmentary school, I was almost the chunky one....thats a fear + I sit all day.

How many carbs? Looks to me like its pretty low carb, esp in the morning, then a half of box of pasta at once takes up 99% of them....eh?

Whats the total macros of those ready to drinks? I have 3 cases of myoplex carb sense....200 cals...4g of fat, 25g of protein, 5 carbs........should i use them up for my preworkout meal?

You need the whey pw...AT LEAST I do and will keep it...you also need high high carbs pw and quickies....thats why I am doing either the cream of rice or rice cakes...from there, my stomach tells me to fuck off like it is right now. Makes it so hard!

I am feeling very very weird! Is it because I am so frail and skinny? I have done jack shit in 2 days, yet my body is so cold....my hands and feet feel like they have no circulation.....face feels hollow.....is something going on? It cant be my cals as I ve hit every meal today...thats amost 3000 cals already and its only 1pm....most people arent even close to that number by this time. WTF is going on?

 

[JKurz1]

thoughts on todayss routine...........


seated lateral raise 3 x 6 to 10
smith behind nek press 4 x 6 to 10
bent laterals 3 x 8 to 12
dumbell front raises 2 x 8 to 12
tris
decline smilth close grip bench(LOVE THESE)5 x 6 to 10
cable press down 3 x 8 to 12
bench dips 1 x dropset

 

[Bruce]

well like i said i am really just trying to get in the 3lbs of total meat at this point. dieselgunz eats 2lbs of steak ed and his build is what i am going for. i started doing that about a month ago or less. it is putting on mass and that is all that matters to me. yes i realize i am younger with an insane metabolism. i never think anyone should try my diet unless they truly don't put on weight like me. i still stand by my advice on adding more chicken and beef. and for pre workout i forgot i eat a granola yogurt mix, i will edit that out. so i am getting in the carbs. its a premade one at davidbartongym so i dont' know the figures on it but its like a 16oz cup filled with yogurt a lot of granola and grapes and melon. i grab the naked food drink and that from the bar above the gym its a great situation. i also like to sip on a gatorade with my water the whole workout or make sure to immediately get gatorade in me the second i am done. that sugar is needed very fast or you can waste your workouts. there are all types of trainers, cycles, and diets that work for people. right now i am doing what an all natural 215 single digit athlete is doing. we are not using shakes except pw and before bed. he is all about dextrose as soon as we get done, he is a D 1 lax player for a top 5 school as mentioned and they use just like you gatorade powder for there source so i just grab a fruit punch gatorade.

what are you working out. i go
3 sets concentration 8 reps each
preacher 4 sets 12 reps minimum
incline dumbell curls 4 sets 10 reps
drag curls 3 sets 6-8 reps(use w bar and drag it from abs to chest without moving elbows, similar to the bicep shocker movement. it really pumps the bi's
finish with 3 more concentration curls. this is straight from AAP

then for tris i do
4 sets skull crushers 8 reps
4 sets behind neck raises 8 reps
cable pushdowns with perfect balance raising the bar to right above navel 12 reps.
4 sets of these with two hands then burn out with one hand at a time. the tri workout is mine but AAP gave me that bi workout and it will tear you a new asshole. preachers are best done with 12 reps. you won't even be able to finish the workout the first time you do it

 

[gjohnson5]

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thoughts

If you eat this coke and protein shake diet , you better not call anyone fat again...

 

[JKurz1]

delts duuuude

 

[Bruce]

shit man sorry. well for delts i do my own thing. a lot of concentration excercizes at least 7 sets and less presses. i was compressing my spine because my frame is so narrow and i was doing too much weight for my body to realistically handle. it was wearing me out. the only presses i do are seated backward on the preacher so its lodged into my back, learned that from a pro bber at world gym in tucson, then i press with a w bar off my chest. 3 sets of that and 3 sets of hammer strength with moderate weight so i dont' fuck my back up again. i don't even do heavy bench anymore. just 5 sets of flys to start and then i do incline dumbells in 10-8-8-6-6-, so you can't really do heavy weight after the flys. its a great workout though really gets the blood in your chest pumping. aap got me into more failure workouts with good form rather than just trying to press more and more.

 

[JKurz1]

shit man sorry. well for delts i do my own thing. a lot of concentration excercizes at least 7 sets and less presses. i was compressing my spine because my frame is so narrow and i was doing too much weight for my body to realistically handle. it was wearing me out. the only presses i do are seated backward on the preacher so its lodged into my back, learned that from a pro bber at world gym in tucson, then i press with a w bar off my chest. 3 sets of that and 3 sets of hammer strength with moderate weight so i dont' fuck my back up again. i don't even do heavy bench anymore. just 5 sets of flys to start and then i do incline dumbells in 10-8-8-6-6-, so you can't really do heavy weight after the flys. its a great workout though really gets the blood in your chest pumping. aap got me into more failure workouts with good form rather than just trying to press more and more.

so how many cals do you take in from training to bed...seems like you got calories pumping in you from preworkout to bed non stop.....no waiting for 1 hour or shit....just pump in....thats like 300g protein just after training alone...those mtrx are good..25g of carbs too? What the f do I do with all these bars and rtds?

 

[al420]

thoughts on todayss routine...........


seated lateral raise 3 x 6 to 10
smith behind nek press 4 x 6 to 10
bent laterals 3 x 8 to 12
dumbell front raises 2 x 8 to 12
tris
decline smilth close grip bench(LOVE THESE)5 x 6 to 10
cable press down 3 x 8 to 12
bench dips 1 x dropset

Why all the pressing on the Smith? Not knocking, just asking.

 

[Bruce]

so how many cals do you take in from training to bed...seems like you got calories pumping in you from preworkout to bed non stop.....no waiting for 1 hour or shit....just pump in....thats like 300g protein just after training alone...those mtrx are good..25g of carbs too? What the f do I do with all these bars and rtds?

man i dont know keep the bars around if you can't get in a meal. you dont' have to be a stickler. i only drink metrx berry blast, yes i crave them they are so good. 29 bucks for a box used to be like 59, now gnc has a different deal with them. yea 25 grams of carbs b-12 its got a lot of vitamins in it. i just moved man so i don't have it unpacked to read off, also i told you shakes are not a big thing right now just getting in the beef, and i am hurting right now. yea dude i have this thing where i can not eat in the mornings. it sucks. i have to pound that food and feel like i'm gonna throw up. sometimes i just can't take in that breakfast. after lunch i get hungry every 45 mins no joke, and thats when i go to town. after a workout i can eat like gorilla. smoke one bowl and i am hungry again for a lot more. i mean i cook all the steak and chicken put them in a bowl. eat as much as i can, stop cover it, eat more smoke over and over till its all gone. that is my goal right now i'm not really counting anymore. that diet is only saved cause a long time ago another super ecto asked me for it so i pmed it to him and i saved it. you know a lot more about diet than me jk, i just don't have any fixation like you do. i go with trial and error and see what works. try not to worry so much man life will be alot more enjoyable and you will put on more mass. peace

 

[JKurz1]

Why all the pressing on the Smith? Not knocking, just asking.

Knock it...I do....it's all his routine...we switch from that and heavy dbell weeklky....he claims that the muscles don't know the difference......more isolation of delts.

This means jack shit and I know it's because he's so developed already, but Cutler swear by it....

 

[JKurz1]

why wouldnt you toss in the bars and rtds to your everyday mix??? Added solid cals? Give me the time frames of your meals, wake and bed....very interesting. What do you do all day and where r u from?

Today was a rough morning. Been having these weird ass numbness in my lower back and my feet. Feels like pins and needles. Last night's delt and tris went well, feeling pumped up, but abs are fading fast. Almost cashed it in and said, I dont feel normal, somthing else is wrong, i'm getting chubby, the scale is hardly moving (up to 154lbs today) 2lbs this week. and my strength is still GIRLLLL weak. So whats the point, is food really gonna make that much of a difference. I thought about all this as I ate my 1 cup of oats, 1 egg, 12 whites, scoop of whey and 2tb of pb....usually it's the best meal of the day, but today I almost cashied it in half way cause of how I feel bloated and fat. This was after cardio, 20 minutes, 3.0 at 12%....that tired me out 2 weeks ago, now it feels like Im not doing anything much but stretching.

For mentallity purposes,if I do lose the abs completely, and no cuts and just look ordinary, is that the next stage? I mean I'm not gonna go from diced to mr bulky overnight...there has to be a in between period, where I look like 95% of the other men out there, right?

Also, assure me that even at 30, Ill be able to cut again and all I need to do is increase cardio and decrease my cals.

 

[BiggT]

Knock it...I do....it's all his routine...we switch from that and heavy dbell weeklky....he claims that the muscles don't know the difference......more isolation of delts.

This means jack shit and I know it's because he's so developed already, but Cutler swear by it....

Cutler also has gallons upon gallons of test, gh, and other goodies to swear by......that stuff enhances your training stimulus, even a crappy stimulus. The body needs to adapt to something and get good at it to grow...the muscles/body knows workload placed on it, the fastest way to give it a reason to grow is to increase that workload over time, the only way to actually know if you're doing that is to have something quantifiable.....you're a CPA, you know the importance of being able to measure, track, record, and actually keep track of something, rather than blindly going into the gym to 'pump' and 'blast' .......if you incline 275x8 one week, then do dumbells the next, then smith the next, then hammer incline the next, and you keep doing something different, and at the end of 6 months your 8 rep incline is still 275ish and you really made no progress on any of your other lifts, you won't grow (unless, of course, you're living on large doses of drugs and ancillaries.....cattle grow on that stuff without training, throw in a little resistance training, and bang). The fastest, easiest, least frustrating way to do this is to progressively get good at pressing, pulling, and squatting......your goal right now should be to add 150lbs to your 8 rep incline and military presses and 200-250lbs to your 8 rep squats and rows and deadlifts.

I agree with Bruce's eating philosophy, pound down quality whole foods, not egg whites and powders, but real, satisfying meals, whole eggs (it's the good cholesterol and your body needs the fats and cals more than ever right now), red meat in abundance. I hate to oversimplify because I know your history of beating yourself up about this, but you really have to let go of the fear, it's totally irrational and you're an intelligent enough guy to know that.

30 is pretty young, man.....I'm 27 and feel the same as when I was 18.....I think what you do is look at articles geared towards the average American slob and apply them to you....you're not the average American slob, the way you'll be training is not what the typical 30-year old, let themselves go to Hell in a handbasket American man does.

Don't worry about going through phases of looking normal and looking like this and that......any phase you pass through is gonna be a step up from 150 at 6' 2".......the thing is JK, you know this.....I am not telling you anything you don't already know, you let those irrational thoughts get the best of you, just outsmart them.

 

[JKurz1]

Cutler also has gallons upon gallons of test, gh, and other goodies to swear by......that stuff enhances your training stimulus, even a crappy stimulus. The body needs to adapt to something and get good at it to grow...the muscles/body knows workload placed on it, the fastest way to give it a reason to grow is to increase that workload over time, the only way to actually know if you're doing that is to have something quantifiable.....you're a CPA, you know the importance of being able to measure, track, record, and actually keep track of something, rather than blindly going into the gym to 'pump' and 'blast' .......if you incline 275x8 one week, then do dumbells the next, then smith the next, then hammer incline the next, and you keep doing something different, and at the end of 6 months your 8 rep incline is still 275ish and you really made no progress on any of your other lifts, you won't grow (unless, of course, you're living on large doses of drugs and ancillaries.....cattle grow on that stuff without training, throw in a little resistance training, and bang). The fastest, easiest, least frustrating way to do this is to progressively get good at pressing, pulling, and squatting......your goal right now should be to add 150lbs to your 8 rep incline and military presses and 200-250lbs to your 8 rep squats and rows and deadlifts.

I agree with Bruce's eating philosophy, pound down quality whole foods, not egg whites and powders, but real, satisfying meals, whole eggs (it's the good cholesterol and your body needs the fats and cals more than ever right now), red meat in abundance. I hate to oversimplify because I know your history of beating yourself up about this, but you really have to let go of the fear, it's totally irrational and you're an intelligent enough guy to know that.

30 is pretty young, man.....I'm 27 and feel the same as when I was 18.....I think what you do is look at articles geared towards the average American slob and apply them to you....you're not the average American slob, the way you'll be training is not what the typical 30-year old, let themselves go to Hell in a handbasket American man does.

Don't worry about going through phases of looking normal and looking like this and that......any phase you pass through is gonna be a step up from 150 at 6' 2".......the thing is JK, you know this.....I am not telling you anything you don't already know, you let those irrational thoughts get the best of you, just outsmart them.

THNX BOSS....BACK/TRPS TODAY...DEADS OR RACK DEADS?

 

[BiggT]

JK.......if you haven't been going from the floor, do that......deads are 1 thing that gets tricky to train and are individual.....right now, you should be able to pull from the floor consistently and keep making progress for a good while as you're nowhere near your potential on that lift (or anything for that matter)......rack deads are good if you're injured or fatigued in the low-back, or when you reach a point where pulling from the floor every week is just too taxing on the CNS.....or when you have a sticking point (which you won't for a while, it is just about getting plain old stronger now)....or, if you're doing a strongman show with an 18" dead, or if you're an ultra advanced powerlifter who is no longer capable of adding 10% per year to a lift and you want to trick your body into going balls out every week and you use the conjugate (wsb) method, lol that about exhausts everything I can think of......but, yeah, if the low back feels good and you keep eating, pull those MOFOs from the floor conventionally, it'll develop the most muscle in the most efficient manner, which is the goal right now.

 

[JKurz1]

GOTCHA...final question.....you guys never ever mention carbs....do you eat ANY?? I could easily switch to all fats and protein and have no problem.....I know this is wjhat I need to do, so tell me yours...do you take in as many as I do? Are they really that necessary???

 

[JKurz1]

gimme a good solid mass rep scheme.....he say 3 sets 6-10....I think thats two low...I'd much rather do heavy deads than rows which are really taxing on my lower back since I am so frail...Iknow both are needed and I will do them....but I bet I could dump some of the seated row machines, pullovers, etc.

 

[BiggT]

JK.....any rep range that is non-neural (lighter than max triples) and non-endurance (generally under 12, but I think 10 is more like it) is good for building mass, you get past the point of pure neural/attachment work and you're still low enough that you can progress with it. The important thing is to be consistent with the rep range so that when you add weight weekly, you now have a way to measure.....365x8 is better than 350x8, so you improved.

Here is what I would do.....

Deadlift (4 sets of 6, add weight each set, next week add 5-10 lbs to the top set)

Row ( 4 sets of 8. add weight each set, add 5lbs to the top set next week)....if your low back hates BB rows, use dumbells, but same thing, be consistent and keep progressing with it.

Chins (3 sets to failure, each week try to add 1 total rep......so if you hit 10-8-7 this week, next week, go for 10-8-8)

Thats it, no need to row from 37 different angles and do pulldowns with 11 different attachments, full range, compound lifts are efficient......as you gain weight and muscle, if you feel the traps need additional work, add in 3 sets of shrugs, right now though in the state you're in, deads and rows should provide plenty of stimulus and reason for your traps to grow.....if in time you feel your lats aren't wide enough, add weight to the chins, if they stall, do pulldowns for a bit, but all that stuff is just making tweaks.....slap some mass on your frame as efficiently as possible and then evaluate.....you can only carve and detail a boulder, you can't carve and detail a pebble......for the majority of the population who are either natural or use modest doses of anabolics, getting good at a few exercises that provide a lot of bang for your buck is much more efficient than just going to the gym, doing a bunch of random shit, trying to get sore, and crossing your fingers and hoping for the best.....and only if you take copious amounts of test, gh, and insulin will the best happen.

About carbs....I eat a lot, lol.....at 255, I eat over 500/day....last Summer I cut down to 224 and still ate about 350-400/day.....my body seems to handle them well and I find I need them and I need the glycogen stores to have a productive workout, they also make me look fuller and harder.....I just don't fire right on low carb eaing......you may be different, some people do well on lower carbs, some people cannot tolerate carbs, that's just what I do.

 

[JKurz1]

rt on.........hey big man.......you ever been ripped? Just curious....any desire?

 

[gjohnson5]

GOTCHA...final question.....you guys never ever mention carbs....do you eat ANY?? I could easily switch to all fats and protein and have no problem.....I know this is wjhat I need to do, so tell me yours...do you take in as many as I do? Are they really that necessary???

Jkurz1 i want to disgree with that link you posted where they guy quite simply said drink protein shake and eat glucose/dextrose for carbs and stay away from fats and fiber. This is a horrible diet and I do want to post an article in T Nation basically saying that this guys diet is silly in more or less words.

Anyone who posts a diet saying stay away from fiber is already an idiot... If they say stay away from fats, that is just a bad idea in my book. What really makes his idea bad is the notion that since fats are high calorie , then they will automaticall "satiate" you for hours to come. This is totally not true, and it is a proven fact that eating fats causes one to "snack" more and not fill you up for hours...

The other problem with his diet is that he advocates spiking your blood sugar for the purposes of eating more food. This leads to diabetes. It is safer to eat moderate carbs and use R+ALA to send sugars to muscle instead of allowing your blood sugar to spike. That diet was moronic... Simple as that.

High fat diets can give you more lean mass gain if carbs are added in moderation, but can also be used in conjunction with foods high on the "fullness factor" to lose weight as well, as long as carbs are restricted.

Anyway as far as my carb intake I have gotten pretty strict there and my carbs are yogurt , grapefruit juice, spinach, and maybe a pasta lucch 1-2 times a week.

 

[Tweakle]

alternating your routine on a regular basis is moronic unless you're tapped out. There is a madcow post on this @ http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5427025&postcount=941

I have a 3 way rotation because I'm at a point where linear progression no longer works, and stuffing my face for fat gains isn't an attractive option. But to come into the gym and change the stimulus every week just because muscle & fitness says so is a ticket to staying under 200lbs. You need to get strong, brutally strong in a handful of core lifts. and some of the guys here who do 20 sets of iso work every workout wonder why people never ask them if they're juicing...

 

[JKurz1]

alternating your routine on a regular basis is moronic unless you're tapped out. There is a madcow post on this @ http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5427025&postcount=941

I have a 3 way rotation because I'm at a point where linear progression no longer works, and stuffing my face for fat gains isn't an attractive option. But to come into the gym and change the stimulus every week just because muscle & fitness says so is a ticket to staying under 200lbs. You need to get strong, brutally strong in a handful of core lifts. and some of the guys here who do 20 sets of iso work every workout wonder why people never ask them if they're juicing...

I have been on this routine, given to me, for close to a month and m not changing a thing......all I have done is instead of working in the 10-12 rep zone for some core lifts, I asked Big t, to give me a different range....I said initially I am sticking to the diet and training and since then, I have. Although it is hard to get all the meals in, I am working at it, but training hasn't changed. When I feel both have failed or I have failed, I'll check myself in...sure I've inquired on other rotuines. I like and enjoy reading....you guys have made some nice gains with your 5x5 and other core lifts. For me right now, I don't see a problem with my routine as long as I continue to keep in the core training. Do you know how many people do the routine I do yet do not bench, row, squat or dead? Give me some credit man.....

todays back routine:
wide grip pulls 4 sets 8-12

Deads 4 x6

close grip puldown to chest 4 sets 8-12

barbell rows , 4 sets of 8

seated rows 4 sets 8-12

barbell shrug. 4 x 8 to 12

 

[BiggT]

rt on.........hey big man.......you ever been ripped? Just curious....any desire?

The leanest I've been was the year after I finished college, I just got on kind of a no need to try to peak my strength and size kick.....I trimmed down to 216lbs at 6'.....I didn't take BF measurements, but I could clearly see all my abs, so I had to be 10% or a little bit less, not paper thin skin or depleted looking though, although with water pills, and some intense manipulation, I probably could have gotten close.

Unless I were to do a BB show, I really see no reason to be any leaner than 10% or so at any given time, it is plenty lean enough to have vascularity and abs and pretty crisp separation....for me, it is too lean to make any kind of significant, worthwhile progress on my lifts and grow any appreciable muscle, but yeah, at times cutting down pops into my head, and I know I will for at least a time at some point......as far as sub-6%, it isn't the healthiest state to be in for any extended period and usually requires severe measures, and other than being necessary to be competitive at a BB show, I really am not a fan of the look, oh....and the guys claiming 2-3% bodyfat need a reality check or a re-test because they'd be a corpse if that were true, lol........again, I never condone becoming obese or distending your stomach for the sake of a squat, I think that's plain foolish, but you do need to be above 13% or so to be able to consistently up your lifts and pile on muscle either at all or at anything more than a snail's pace, from my experience....your joints will thank you too....it is much easier to shed a little excess than it is to try to grow without giving the body what it needs......

 

[JKurz1]

it is much easier to shed a little excess than it is to try to grow without giving the body what it needs......

 

[JKurz1]

If I dont get some help right now....I am finished for good........I've ben to endo, docs, I even had a friggn liver biopsy done a few years ago........all was neg and tey just said it was because I was so underweight etc. Here's m problem. I have SEVERE pain/bloating. Its in the region above the pubic bone and below the belly button. It honestly fels like a friggn beach ball with trapped gas etc. I am also losing feeling in my legs and arms, feet go numb.....but that prob. is due to low blood pressure. Has anyone heard of this? Is it caused by - too much fiber? Too much gum? Too much sugar alcohols?

Today I've had 1/2 cup of oats cooked, 1/4 cup oat bran cooked, and 1/4 cup of oats raw.....I've prob. had 15 packets of stevia. Zero gum and I feel like crying........any docs?

 

[Neo22]

If I dont get some help right now....I am finished for good........I've ben to endo, docs, I even had a friggn liver biopsy done a few years ago........all was neg and tey just said it was because I was so underweight etc. Here's m problem. I have SEVERE pain/bloating. Its in the region above the pubic bone and below the belly button. It honestly fels like a friggn beach ball with trapped gas etc. I am also losing feeling in my legs and arms, feet go numb.....but that prob. is due to low blood pressure. Has anyone heard of this? Is it caused by - too much fiber? Too much gum? Too much sugar alcohols?

Today I've had 1/2 cup of oats cooked, 1/4 cup oat bran cooked, and 1/4 cup of oats raw.....I've prob. had 15 packets of stevia. Zero gum and I feel like crying........any docs?

did he check for a hernia?

 

[Bruce]

dude are you drinking enough water and are you backed up. sounds like you need to get some milk of magnesia or maybe even an instant one like magnesium citrate. lower cramping sucks ass and usually it means you are blocked up.

If I dont get some help right now....I am finished for good........I've ben to endo, docs, I even had a friggn liver biopsy done a few years ago........all was neg and tey just said it was because I was so underweight etc. Here's m problem. I have SEVERE pain/bloating. Its in the region above the pubic bone and below the belly button. It honestly fels like a friggn beach ball with trapped gas etc. I am also losing feeling in my legs and arms, feet go numb.....but that prob. is due to low blood pressure. Has anyone heard of this? Is it caused by - too much fiber? Too much gum? Too much sugar alcohols?

Today I've had 1/2 cup of oats cooked, 1/4 cup oat bran cooked, and 1/4 cup of oats raw.....I've prob. had 15 packets of stevia. Zero gum and I feel like crying........any docs?

 

[gjohnson5]

dude are you drinking enough water and are you backed up. sounds like you need to get some milk of magnesia or maybe even an instant one like magnesium citrate. lower cramping sucks ass and usually it means you are blocked up.

The simple answer to this is eat more fiber. Please don't follow any diets that say don't eat fiber. soluable fiber will cause water to be absorbed in the colon thus allowing for the stool to pass easier. Insoluable fiber such as the ones in wheat will stop too much broken down food from entering the intestines so that this (assuming it's protein) will be asborbed in chunks... it helps for digestion basically

 

[gjohnson5]

You will beat this once you stop thinking it's the end of the world...
Stress only makes problems worse

If I dont get some help right now....I am finished for good........I've ben to endo, docs, I even had a friggn liver biopsy done a few years ago........all was neg and tey just said it was because I was so underweight etc. Here's m problem. I have SEVERE pain/bloating. Its in the region above the pubic bone and below the belly button. It honestly fels like a friggn beach ball with trapped gas etc. I am also losing feeling in my legs and arms, feet go numb.....but that prob. is due to low blood pressure. Has anyone heard of this? Is it caused by - too much fiber? Too much gum? Too much sugar alcohols?

Today I've had 1/2 cup of oats cooked, 1/4 cup oat bran cooked, and 1/4 cup of oats raw.....I've prob. had 15 packets of stevia. Zero gum and I feel like crying........any docs?

 

[gjohnson5]

The simple answer to this is eat more fiber. Please don't follow any diets that say don't eat fiber. soluable fiber will cause water to be absorbed in the colon thus allowing for the stool to pass easier. Insoluable fiber such as the ones in wheat will stop too much broken down food from entering the intestines so that this (assuming it's protein) will be asborbed in chunks... it helps for digestion basically

Also stool softener will work, but it's the same principal. Fiber and docusate sodium/docusate calcium are indigestible to humans but the bifidum bacterial strains in your colon can deal with it. There is a long chain of metabolic processes for each that I need to research, but the end result is that water is collected in the colon and one a soft "mass" is detected by the colon , the drugs help pass the stool out which the water from the absorption process

 

[JKurz1]

I am afraid my fiber is TOO HIGH! Think about it....3 cups of oats a day 1 of them being raw.....1/2 cup oat bran.......brocolli, salad, etc....tons of fiber.

#1 and #2 symtons of eating disorder per my dad (doc) bloating and low blood pressure. He then continuied to say you have the 3rd deadliest disease there is known to man. Heart disease and cancer #1 and #2. He said I will not beat this on m own without therapy, rx, or both......I'm fucked, I dont wanna die boy....I feel like hell....get so light headed, limbs go numb...#1 reaon, I cant stay out of the mirror. The bloated feeling makes me feel incredible fat even if I havent eaten a damn thing. Today's caloreis sucked...just didnt feel good at all todyay..prob. under 200g carbs, 200g of protein...40g of fat....sad, but still had a good training routine and yesterday I pulled 250 for 1 where 2 months ago, 165 for 6 was a struggle....feeling strong, just at 152lbs, I am severly underweight. I got a week to get this weight started once and for all....I gotta put in on...I gotta feel better = get stronger, be healthy.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Just checking in to see how you are doing. Keep your focus on getting healthy and strong. You will get there

 

[gjohnson5]

Generally fiber is recommended from natural sources , not including the oat bran. But the rest would indicate you do have lots of fiber.

From rereading your distress message about limbs going numb it may be high potassium from the broccoli, salad. How big was the salad? Are you talking any potassium supps? If this is the case , try a calcium supp and some salt.

I would agree that your fiber is high if youu ate that, but there is no USRDA for fiber and I don't think that's the issue.

I am afraid my fiber is TOO HIGH! Think about it....3 cups of oats a day 1 of them being raw.....1/2 cup oat bran.......brocolli, salad, etc....tons of fiber.

#1 and #2 symtons of eating disorder per my dad (doc) bloating and low blood pressure. He then continuied to say you have the 3rd deadliest disease there is known to man. Heart disease and cancer #1 and #2. He said I will not beat this on m own without therapy, rx, or both......I'm fucked, I dont wanna die boy....I feel like hell....get so light headed, limbs go numb...#1 reaon, I cant stay out of the mirror. The bloated feeling makes me feel incredible fat even if I havent eaten a damn thing. Today's caloreis sucked...just didnt feel good at all todyay..prob. under 200g carbs, 200g of protein...40g of fat....sad, but still had a good training routine and yesterday I pulled 250 for 1 where 2 months ago, 165 for 6 was a struggle....feeling strong, just at 152lbs, I am severly underweight. I got a week to get this weight started once and for all....I gotta put in on...I gotta feel better = get stronger, be healthy.

 

[gjohnson5]

Generally fiber is recommended from natural sources , not including the oat bran. But the rest would indicate you do have lots of fiber.

From rereading your distress message about limbs going numb it may be high potassium from the broccoli, salad. How big was the salad? Are you talking any potassium supps? If this is the case , try a calcium supp and some salt.

I would agree that your fiber is high if youu ate that, but there is no USRDA for fiber and I don't think that's the issue.

1/4 cup of quaker steel cut oats is 4 grams of fiber so if you ate 3 cups , this is 48 grams of fiber. This is double the kinda sorta standard of 20-25grams a day.

I agree with you now, I would back off the fiber by half.

 

[heavy_duty]

There's a lot of pages here man. I read the first 4 then the last page.
Just stick with the programm man. You can do it. I know for sure if it was me I would have got a good therapist to go along with the trainer.

You have got to repair your body yes but you really need to unite the mind, body and spirit.

good luck.

 

[JKurz1]

1/4 cup of quaker steel cut oats is 4 grams of fiber so if you ate 3 cups , this is 48 grams of fiber. This is double the kinda sorta standard of 20-25grams a day.

I agree with you now, I would back off the fiber by half.

miss the boat big time man.....i have a disorder.......I am 50lbs and 6'1.....somethings gotta give.

 

[BiggT]

JK, how are you feeling today? How's the eating going? Did u train this weekend?

 

[JKurz1]

JK, how are you feeling today? How's the eating going? Did u train this weekend?

shitty...read the above..my pop wants me checked in now....If it will allow me to beat this bloating and numbness, I better go

He said 25% of people die with this deisease....heart just stops....I am 152, and 6'1..I look like I'm 100lbs....how the fuck do I do it? If he gives me this week, what the fuck do I do? Dont say gorge, cause that aint the answer? Is getting off the treamill part #1?

 

[JKurz1]

trainer has said cardio 3x a week at 2.8 at 10%...what do I do? 3.0 at 12% 7 days ibcluding today.......my post workout meals I have been getting in maybe half the required amounts.......so I have prob been fucking myself and only getting 3500-3900 cals..............I am just afraid I am carb sensative....I'm setting myself up for another bomb tomorrow with chest....damn it.....I havent had gatorade and whey pw YET! that is my first pw meal....then 3 servings of brown rice or 10 rice rice cakes has turned into 5 rice cakes total.......THEN 3 servings of brown rice has turned into a 1/2 cup of of oats max.........so look at that......suppose to be 100 carbs in each of thos meals...I'm getting what? 200 MAYBE.....

 

[BiggT]

Yeah, man.....152 is dangerous stuff , most people who read this and are 5'8 or 5'9 or something will think it is thin, but they really have to put into consideration the fact that you're 6'1-6'2"....thats like a 5'9 guy weighing 100lbs.......

If your dad is an MD and you feel he can provide you with resources and intervention and help that you can't provide yourself, then it is a worthwhile opportunity.....the weights will be here when you're better.

To answer your question......yeah, you need to get off the treadmill period. No incline walking, no AR, just bag cardio for the immediate future at least. Honestly, a month off all training where you can just eat and rest would probably do wonders.....I don't know the kind of physical state you're in right now at the moment obviously, if you feel you can keep training, a 3-4 day workout schedule would be ideal.....as far as eating, yes, don't gorge, going from one extreme to the other is not good....If it were me, I'd forget about all the worry and just eat, have 3 whole eggs with bacon and white toast for breakfast, have a shake for a snack, have a turkey sub w/ baked lays for lunch, another protein shake and some fruit, then train, then have a PW shake, then a dinner of red meat or fish and any starch and veggies/salad.....maybe a scoop or 2 of ice cream or a small slice of something sweet (pie, cake) with a glass of milk later in the evening..... just something 'normal'....this is just an example, it isn't this easy.....what you need is good, comforting food, you're physically sick, but it is complicated because it is an emotional issue causing the physical, so it is not as simple as 'shut up and eat'......if you think you can do something....or if there is something me or anybody else can tell you to help you get past that mental issue and just eat and not be so neurotic with the exercise, then you can do this.......if you know in your heart of hearts that isn't enough, then you need to take your dad up on the offer and get better.....you're a young guy, in 6 months- a year, you'll still be a young guy and you can give this thing another go.

 

[BiggT]

Also, man.....you ate normally and made great gains in the past.....if you weren't carb sensitive then, and nothing in your bloodwork now indicates a problem with your sugars etc., what makes you think you'll magically be carb sensitive or insensitive or whatever for no reason when you never were before? Just think back to college, 250 and lean......who cares if they were skinny, skinny-fat, or fat as a kid....NOBODY is a mountain of muscle before puberty, lol, that isn't an accurate assessment of your body's natural tendency....look at the ages between 16-26.....thats more like the real you.

You're like one of those people who has a sore throat, goes onto Web MD and then diagnoses themselves with AIDS, Cancer, and The Plague.....you read articles and web sites about carb sensitivity, inactivity and weight gain as one ages etc etc, and it is like you neurotically apply it to yourself with no logical basis......I'd love to think it is as easy as me pointing this out, you realizing it, and bang, all better.......you're an intelligent guy, and thats my fear, you're smart enough to know this, but emotionally, something is stopping you from doing it.......if you can put it in perspective, you can beat this......again, look in your heart and if you know you won't do this, then seriously take your dad up on the offer......either way gets you better, just 2 different paths to the same point.

 

[JKurz1]

I GOT ONE WEEK...ONE WEEK TO SHOW THEM SOMETHING HAS CHANGED BRO....EITHER A COUPLE OF POUNDS, TRAINING ONE A DAY AND NOT DOING 20 MINS OF CARDIO.....EATING NORMAL TODAY, SUNDAY...........i am going to go hit quads now, so I can eat the rest of the friggn day....tommy says hes done with me if I dont have 2 casedillas and stone cold ice cream today.........

 

[BiggT]

Lets do it then, man.....1 week, either way this is gonna work out for you.....I'll be out this evening, going to a concert, but I'll check in later.....I want to see some cheat-type meals down.....I did squats and deads yesterday and have been eating all day today to try to recover......sushi and white rice in a little bit....I had taco bell last night before bed and washed it down w/ a quart of milk.

 

[JKurz1]

Lets do it then, man.....1 week, either way this is gonna work out for you.....I'll be out this evening, going to a concert, but I'll check in later.....I want to see some cheat-type meals down.....I did squats and deads yesterday and have been eating all day today to try to recover......sushi and white rice in a little bit....I had taco bell last night before bed and washed it down w/ a quart of milk.

one week...my mom is in tears....everyone is concerned....I don't wanna die man. Let's do this..cmon.....4-5lbs this week.

squats (light but heavy as hell for me) 5 sets, 12,10,8,6,6
leg press x 3
reverse hack x 2
leg ext x3
machine leg press x 3

calves x 9
abs x 6

10 rice cakes, creatin, gluatamine, 40g whey

then

huge platee of ww pasta and shrimp x 2
chicken
corn on the cob
grandmas jello and cott cheese
squash x 10
lentil soup x 2

prebed meal
tb of pb
half container of cottage cheese
new casein blend pudding
almonds and walnuts
if I wake up, I got some of the pro blend pudding in the fridge


all I do is toss is a few cups and sprinkle water till it becomes a pudding, add splenda and chill...will this casue stomach problems?? God knows I dont need more....cardio 3x this week...knocked down to 2.8 at 12%

 

[JKurz1]

Monday – August 28, 2006

Whelp, woke up this am and still have that numbness in both my feet and hands. As well as light headed when I first get out of bed. It’s gotta be from this disorder, as low blood pressure and low HR are both common feelings. As is bloatedness. If that’s not a reason to beat this thing, well, nothing is.

Decided that I get 3 days of cardio so today would be #1. 20 minutes and now toned down even more to 2.8 at 12%. Pretty soon, I’ll just be standing.

Checked my weight and I’m up 6lbs from yesterday am. Weird, but I’ll take it. 156lbs on the nose and prob. Due to the tons of pastwa last night followed by my usual prebed meal of dry curd and pb. No more measuring pb, I just scoop and stir.

On my way to work:

½ cup cook oatmeal and another ¼ cup dry to munch on
25g of protein from egg whites
20g of protein from a good casein blend
1tb of pb……that was at 7am, it’s now 730, I feel hungry but cold. I hate this tingly feeling….hate it.

I want to look good in clothes. Iwant to fill them out. I was thinking, if I wear long sleeves and pants everywhere now, what the hell is the point of abs?? my goal to start this thing was to compete in 15mnths….its now 14 mnths and I’m far behind. This has turned into more of a look good and healthy goal, but I still would love to get there.

200mg of EQ last night
150mg test tonight before the gym…chest and bis.

 

[BiggT]

Your off to a good start, JK....lets ride this through.....we've got 6 more days to do this right.......what are you training tonight?

 

[JKurz1]

I got chest and bis...not feeln good right now brutha......I got this damn tingly feeling, low blood pressure.....I need to beat this thing......how bad a pain relievers? Trying to hold off, but it makes me feel better, I'll take a couple.

I am feeling more hungry and find it harder to wait 2.5 hours till my next meal...should I be tossing in a shake here and there? bar?

 

[BiggT]

JK...do shakes upset your stomach? If you're hungry and they don't bother your stomach and they don't kill your appetite for the next solid food meal, I see no problem with some bonus clean calories.

Do you know for a fact that your BP is on the low side? If it is, reduced cardio and slapping on some pounds will help as you know, so you've got even more incentive. Fuel up good today so you can leave the gym on a high note after a good workout.

 

[JKurz1]

just not feeelin it today.....I hope I come around this afternoon.....2nd meal down:

3/4 cup cooked oats andother (1/4 cup dry)
1+ cup pinneapple
7oz chicken breast
splenda and stevia


So far so good.......3 goals left today to conquer........#1 hit the rest of my meals, no exception.....#2 feel better and have a great chest/bi workout at 5opm.....and then DO NOT SKIMP ON ANY OF THE 4 MEALS AFTER THAT!!! IN GYM...OUT...EAT EAT EAT!

Here's my pm layout:

5pm chest/bis 14-16 sets chest, 9 max bis

6pm 3 servings of gatorade/1 scoop whey, gluta and creat

630 3 servings of cream of rice another scoop blend

730 1 cup oats, 8-10 oz beef n fish

900 1/2 container cotagge cheese, table spoon of p, 4 oz beef


NO CARDIO TOMORROW JEFF....!!! this will be the killer........esp. if I wake up which I bet 100-1 I will, without a alarm........

 

[BiggT]

Jeff, remember that you're not feeling it because it is just mental.....don't let negative stuff creep into your head, don't get anxious or nervous, only worry about the next meal, then eat it, and worry about the next one after that, and so on and so forth. Forget everything you've read that gave you a fear of post-training calories.....think of the rest of the night's eating as both recovery and prep for the next heavy workout, your body needs those calories after what you put it through at the gym.

Are you feeling the test yet? You're probably coming up on 2 full weeks, right? This would be the 3rd week and it has been 2 weeks since the 1st shot?? Thats when long-acting esters usually kick in for me. I was just wondering, as my experience with it in the past has been that it is a mood elevator and you get overcome with a general euphoric feeling and start beaming with confidence.

 

[JKurz1]

no feeling yet....today is the beg. of week 3....150mg before I train

CHEST
flat DUMBELL bench 2 warm up x 10
4 sets incline dumbell 6-8
4 sets flat dbell 8-10
2 incline flys
2 decline press
cable cross ove drop set

BIS
straght bar curls 5 x 6 to 10
alternating seated DB curls 2 x 8 to 12
rope curls 1 x dropset

 

[gjohnson5]

Best advise yet.

You are not going to die. Do go hopeless on us. Get lots of calories and you can do it. It's all mental

*edit*
Don't let go hopeless on yourself
*edit*

Jeff, remember that you're not feeling it because it is just mental.....don't let negative stuff creep into your head, don't get anxious or nervous, only worry about the next meal, then eat it, and worry about the next one after that, and so on and so forth. Forget everything you've read that gave you a fear of post-training calories.....think of the rest of the night's eating as both recovery and prep for the next heavy workout, your body needs those calories after what you put it through at the gym.

Are you feeling the test yet? You're probably coming up on 2 full weeks, right? This would be the 3rd week and it has been 2 weeks since the 1st shot?? Thats when long-acting esters usually kick in for me. I was just wondering, as my experience with it in the past has been that it is a mood elevator and you get overcome with a general euphoric feeling and start beaming with confidence.

 

[JKurz1]

fuck if this thing will beat me.....third meal down and I am completely bloated....painfully bloated.....damn.......

10oz yam
8oz chicken
med salad with veggies.......
green tea

only 5 meals left, lol

 

[Neo22]

fuck if this thing will beat me.....third meal down and I am completely bloated....painfully bloated.....damn.......

10oz yam
8oz chicken
med salad with veggies.......
green tea

only 5 meals left, lol

eat up bro take that next step

 

[BiggT]

You'll be alright....don't let it get to you....don't worry bout the next FIVE meals, only worry about the next ONE, then when that is history, worry about the next one after that.

 

[JKurz1]

4th meal pretraining - time for 1 hour of intense chest and bis....little worn out, def dont wanna look in the mirror....esp. with no cardio tomorrow....gonna be rough.....traininging, it's all about training right now....

#4
1 scoop blend (pudding)
1 packet of tuna
1 tb of pb........

TRAIN

 

[akita2007]

Hey bro, I know you don't want to hear this. However, I really think you should take some time off from working out. Your body is in a damaged state and really needs the recuperation. Just take a 1-2 months off from working out and eat as much as possible. The gym will always be there for you.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

4th meal pretraining - time for 1 hour of intense chest and bis....little worn out, def dont wanna look in the mirror....esp. with no cardio tomorrow....gonna be rough.....traininging, it's all about training right now....

#4
1 scoop blend (pudding)
1 packet of tuna
1 tb of pb........

TRAIN

For intense training you need a solid meal with complex carbs. Shakes and healthy fat would get you by if you were cutting, not building.

I would stay away from the mirror for a while. I know it's hard to but it will hurt more than help now. The mirror can mess with your mind as much as the scale.

Keep it up bro, you are doing good. Although I'd still like to see you be a bum for a day and just eat junk!

 

[JKurz1]

I knew I was in trouble before I got to the gym....so bloated and so uncomfortable....felt like a 400lb whale....like when you litterally sit and feel the rolls in your stomach....well, I maned up and............set a pr in flat dbell last week my final set failed before I got the dbells up...this week had a great spot to help me through the initial thrust than 5 solid reps with a good ass negative.

Next at 6pm
3 servings of gatorade and 1 scoop of whey....I live about 5 mins from the gym but brought this with me. I decided to pass on it when I finish. Thats 60g of carbs and 25g of protein I missed. I just kept hearing the thoughts that gatorade isnt necessary pw unless you train like a marathon man...my session are 1hr max, but intense....heavy (for me) so I'm not sure I need it, it's caloies and its in my diet so Im a ass for not drinking it

then I'm suppose to have 3 servings of cream of rice and 50g blend. HAVE YOU EVER HAD CREAM OF RICE????? today will be the last day for me, so I'm fucked. I got through prob 2 servings and the 50g of protein, so I tossed in about 5 rice cakes to make up for it. What the hell do I use for a quick carb, food source, not dext, but a food source? Cream of wheat??? Rice cakes ok?? that is my 630 meal and suppose to have 90 carbs...I easily got that.

then it's 1 cup oats, 8 oz of lean beef......at 730....KILLED IT.....no problem. but now I'm so bloated and no the abs are so faded that it's siclk. I feel like a train but glad to hit the pr. Also too 200mg of test so now my body needs the cals big time, right? Is it true that you can eat more and stay diced while on? Some dude was telling another dude just the other day that test made him fat......how can that be?

So, toss me a fast carb source. I need 90g in that meal than 60 in my last...so its about 200+ post wo meals...not too shabby....I thought it was a ton, but it's only 8i00 cals....although it is tight time wise. I know the scale is up more and will find out tomorrow....I'm prob. holding water from all the carbs, test and cheat last night. Does EQ help in any wyha to stay lean?

 

[ProtienFiend]

After Tomorrow It Will Be 500mg Of Test Used And 550 Of Eq....keep Em Both The Same? Wondering If I Should Increase It When I Get To My Second Bottle - Prob. Only Used 2+cc Of Each Thus Far So No Effects Yet....really Need Topull This All Together And Quickly If I Dont Want To Waste It!!!

151 Today...back Up.....now I Just Need To Quit Quit Treading Water And Friggn Go........i Got 100lb To Gain......

151, 6'3 and 1gram of gear, and planning on gaining 100 lbs of muscle. Ive officially stopped reading.

You really need to get your head in the right place, bro.

PF

 

[JKurz1]

151, 6'3 and 1gram of gear, and planning on gaining 100 lbs of muscle. Ive officially stopped reading.

You really need to get your head in the right place, bro.

PF

lol...its 250g A WEEEEEEKKKK!!!!! the rest was a fing joke.....cmon man....dont just chyme in after not following the whole thing....it's been 500mg TOTAL...for two week......now its 750. I'll be hapy with 20lb gain. Then another 40lbs....lol. chill.

 

[al420]

Can you use Oats as the carb source? I mix mine in a shake and drink em.

 

[BiggT]

JK...Nice job on the PR and good work taking things step by step today.....not getting overwhelmed helps you deal with any discomfort, most of it is mental, you manned up today, that's one down......I don't know if I ever tried cream of rice, I've had cream of wheat before, I like it, but I also am a weirdo who actually enjoys grits, lol.....for carbs with your meal, why not brown rice? It goes with ANY food and is pretty easy to shovel down.....and if you skip the Gatorade, you can man up and have a baked potato.......in any event, I'm proud of you for gutting this out today, it will get easier just so long as you don't listen to that little irrational voice and take steps backwards.

No, you won't get fat......steroids help with nutrient partitioning and improve body composition, you know this, you probably have a more in-depth grasp of the concepts and science than I do, just apply it to yourself as you would somebody asking you for advice......stop looking at the abs, if they aren't faded, then you didn't eat enough today....focus on the bench PR and look for swollen muscles.....remember what you said before, are you gonna be walking around in public naked?? Throw on an XL t-shirt every night and look in the mirror, your goal should be to fill it out, get your traps to stretch the fibers, that'll be your new guage and measure for success.

btw...what was the cheat meal last night?? Thats awesome....remember, Sun cheat meals=Mon bench PR's, which=a bigger, stronger JK, which=blowing out of that XL t-shirt you'll be wearing in front of the mirror from now on.

 

[JKurz1]

TUESDAY August 29, 2006

Well, good news and bad news. Good news is Iset my alarm last night to allow for me just enough time to make my first meal and get to work. No time for the gym. Bad news is I woke up at 5:30 (cardio alarm is set for 5:40) and decided I will just go and do it so light, that all it will do is help stretch me out, watch the news, and increase my apettitie.


20 minutes, 2.8 speed…12% incline….a crawl….others are sprinting and sweating their brains out and I’m crawling…sorta comical. Did some abs, hoped on the scale and it read 158. Hmmm…..what’s going on here? I was 154 even on Sunday. Is this water? Is this fat? Muscle can’t grow that fast? Do I need to cut back? I’ve always knows 1-2lbs a week max…rest is fat…..little help?

Just think if I did NO cardio. I’d be pushing 10+lbs in just a few days……so are my calories to high or is it water from creatine and test? I thought aimf controlled that?

On my way to work, 7am

1 cup oats
25g of protein of egg whites
2 eggs
1 tb pb
1scoop blend,,,,,,

60 carbs, 50g protein, 24g fat

HAMSTRINGS, ABS AND CALVES TONIGHT….UH OH….STR8 LEG DEADS……….

 

[TylerT]

You're knockin on 160's door. And your body is saying thank you. Keep up the good work.

 

[JKurz1]

I owe a ton of karma...you guys have stuck with me...I am doing this for my mom #1, myself #2, all of you that have stuck by me (Esp. you Big man) #3 and my trainer who has actually put in a ton of time and initially wanted to write me off, #4.....I want to be on stage boys....help me get there.....is the weight coming too fast???????

 

[JKurz1]

Can you use Oats as the carb source? I mix mine in a shake and drink em.

GOOD ADVICE...ALREADY GETTNG CLOSE TO 4 CUPS A DAY,..........BLAHHH....PLUS, ITS PRETTY SLOW DIGESTING.......HOW ABOUT THE RICE CAKES? QUICK FLAVORED OATS??

 

[BiggT]

JK.....it's not coming too fast considering how depleted and rundown 152lbs is for somebody your size, it's a combination of water and the food you've been eating.....do up today just like yesterday, 1 meal at a time, then train, hit the SLDLs hard, then repair and refuel for tomorrow 1 meal at a time......then remember, wear an XL t-shirt in front of the mirror, the measure of success will be finally filling the thing out.

 

[JKurz1]

JK.....it's not coming too fast considering how depleted and rundown 152lbs is for somebody your size, it's a combination of water and the food you've been eating.....do up today just like yesterday, 1 meal at a time, then train, hit the SLDLs hard, then repair and refuel for tomorrow 1 meal at a time......then remember, wear an XL t-shirt in front of the mirror, the measure of success will be finally filling the thing out.

I LOVE YOU MAN....i just got a call or a voicemail from my mom's friend who saw me this weekend...she started crying saying shed do anything to help..I'm killing myself....this is bizarre man....simply because there are plenty of dudes 6'1 and above who less less THAN 140lbs!!!!!!!!!! Maybe because I have very little fat??? Now I have a fucking mission......cardio is done....

give me YOUR protocol for str8 legs....high rep or low? Box or none? What is you routine when you include them?

 

[BiggT]

SLDLs......when I include them as a main lift, I do 5x5, add weight each set, and deweight each rep on the floor, no box.

When I use them as assistance, I usually do them 4x8, add weight each set, and deweight them on the floor......a lot of guys just use them as a way to do some iso work for the low back and hams, in which case you'd go a little lighter and you can either stand on a box to lengthen the pull, or pile on 25's and pull from the floor and since the 25s are smaller plates it lengthens the pull.....8-10 rep sets should be fine.

What was your plan for tonight? Since you're pushing conventional deads hard as well as full-range squats, maybe think of these as 'hamstring work' and pull from a box OR just pile on 25s and pull from the floor for 4 sets of 8.......maybe do 4x8 with 95, then shoot to add a 10 or 25 to each side every week for example.

 

[JKurz1]

thanks man....Maybe I'll go, 12, 10 as warms.....then 8,8,6,6 working?

what else do you do when you do these? Good ams and leg curls are slated......

 

[BiggT]

That will work, just make sure to progressively add weight to the top set each week, or to all sets each week.

I don't see a reason do do GMs AND SLDLs, I'd train one or the other for a cycle or a block of time, leg curls would compliment either one well.

 

[JKurz1]

That will work, just make sure to progressively add weight to the top set each week, or to all sets each week.

I don't see a reason do do GMs AND SLDLs, I'd train one or the other for a cycle or a block of time, leg curls would compliment either one well.

so for a solid ham workout you would do Str8 leg deads.....followed by?

Do you pair quads? What other exercises do you do for hammys?

 

[BiggT]

I squat ATF, so I don't feel the need to do much else and go crazy with specialized work (unless a weakness or something surfaces).....I always train the legs as 1 without separating......I also think deadlifting and pulling from the floor work them really well.......If your full squat is going up, your hamstrings will grow, at this point no weaknesses should crop up for a long while.......I would do SLDLs high volume and finish them off with leg curls......full squats and conventional deads on your other days will contribute to growing them plenty as well.

 

[JKurz1]

Hey! PLEASE tell me that by me taking r-ala with every meal, it is not allowing me to put on mass......is this true???

 

[JKurz1]

I weighed 150 on SUnday.....2nd week into the diet and havent missed a meal this week (last week was a little sparatic) also 3rd week of 250mg-300mg/week. Ankles are a tad swollen, abs are blurred, and weight is now 158lbs....Is this because I am so uinderweight for my size (6'1?)

 

[Bruce]

no man its cause you don't drink enough water i think. how much are you honestly drinking. the more water the less retention and bloat. don't worry about your abs anyway. when i am full my belly sticks out a bit and the abs blur. eat eat and eat. don't woryy. you can always get back abs but not eating can set us ectos back for a while.

 

[BiggT]

JK, I don't know much about r-ala, I will bump for somebody who does though. Bruce is right about the water, any athlete and anybody training hard for that matter should drink about a gallon throughout the day.

How did the workout go today? AND, remember, abs are no longer the sign of doing what you're supposed to do.....no more trips in front of the mirror unless you're wearing an XL t-shirt.....try to fill that thing out.