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My NY trip - pics will come later

Lestat

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Ok so I am gonna take a minute and try to describe my NY trip.. I am sure I will miss stuff but here goes.

This was my first time in NY, first time riding a subway, and experiencing all that the city has to offer. Was staying at 7th AV between 56th and 57th street. Just south of Central Park.

Flew in on Wednesday afternoon. Met up with a college friend who lives in the lower east side... Delancy/Essex St subway stop off the F line. She lives in a little 600 sq ft place. 2 bedrooms, 1 bath.. and THREE GIRLS live there! Crazy.. its not a nice place and cost $1750 a month.. Insane.

We walked to Mircacle Grill. The restuarant that Bobby Flay first started at. Very good. First lesson learned, restuarants do not give free re-fills on soft drinks. In cali I order Iced Tea or Diet coke and drink at least 5-6.. here i drank TWO Iced Teas and they were $3.50 each! I should have just ordered beer.

From there we walked around, I had to pick up something from a smoke shop for use with some stuff that a "delivery service" had dropped off earlier. We then went to a club called Stay. They had a D&B DJ that night. This place was cool, you wouldn't even know there was a club there by the outside, but inside was pretty sweet.. one huge gigantic couch thing with tables.

After that we took a subway to the Empire state building but they were closed for the night. Then I walked to times Square.. its awesome at night. I got my first experience with street vendors.. copies of DVDs everywhere.. guys trying to sell rolexes... fake oakleys.. wallets.. etc. I got a "gucci" wallet for $5 and a pair of oakleys for $8. Also bought some roasted nuts from a street vendor.. stale. Had pizza on the way home from Ray's pizza.

The next day, walked to the museum of natural history. Spent a lot of time there and explored all four floors. Good shit.. the fossil exhibit is awesome. Came back to the hotel, got lunch at the Carnegie Deli.. a turkey sandwich was like 15 bucks but big.. about 1lb of turkey and meat.. that was it. Took a nap and then headed out to Dinner. Went to Bond St. It was reccomended by sawastea.. he was very helpful and friendly and called a few times to check in. He worked just 5 blocks outh of my on 7th ave.. his building is in Time Square and is awesome at night.. totally lit up with screens and lights.

Bond St. was excellent. Again, not a touristy spot, I would never have known there was a restuarant there if someone hadn't told me. Good food, great atmosphere. That night we met up with my friend from college again briefly, then took a trip on the Staten Island Ferry to see the skyline and statue of liberty.

Oh i forgot the mention, the weather was ridiculously hot and humid. Also I got blisters on my feet from all the walking.. between 80-100 blocks per day. We didn't take a cab once in the city. We got full week subway passes and used those a lot.

So the next day I went to see a smaller gallery in the Chelsea area of town. www.cosm.org if you want to check it out, absolutely amazing. Also met up for breakfast/brunch at Barney Greengrass (deli) on the upper west side. Kosher deli that had some great blintzes.

Did some shopping and walking on 5th ave and madison avenue, then met up with sawastea at a local bar at 50th and 2nd ave. It was called Redemtion. Had a few rum and diet cokes, then parted ways. Wen to dinner at a place called Peep that night Great Thai food in Soho... awesome atmosphere. After that went to Grenwich village and walked around, got dessert at Magnolias... a place where you have to wait in line for a cupcake. Checked out some shops in that area. Ended up that night in Times Square again, at 11pm we were beat and out feet hurting so we saw a movie at the AMC theater there. Saw Dukes of Hazzard that sucked ass. Afterwards we got out of the theater and it was GHETTO as hell.. I couldn't believe it, but I wanted to get home ASAP.. and guess what, my wallet got stolen off me. I noticed within a block of the theater, but there was nothing I could do at that point Luckily I didn't have my cash on me, I kept the bulk of it back at the room, but still a bummer, had to use a copy of my passport to get back on the flight home.. cancel credit cards.. etc.

Saturday we went to New Jersey for a wedding, it was in Wayne New Jersey... country club there, nice wedding, tons of great food and an open bar with a ton of top shelf stuff.

Sunday we got up and went to breakfast at my GF's friend's place. He lives with his family on the upper west side.. really nice place with a view of Central park. He is a CBS sports producer (executive). Then we went to Chinatown, bought some more knock off stuff, ate at Dim Sum.. place was called Dim Sum Go Go and is on East broadway near Canal st. After that met up with sawastea again with his gf and his gf's mom. Just chilled at starbucks and talked for a bit. Went back to the hotel to regroup and rest, then went out to a deli for another late night dinner, wasn't the greatest, but was close by (Lindy's). Got dessert at another place, Cheesecake, and called it a night.

Monday was my last day there, went to lunch at a deli (Petaks) at went to the Gugenheim museum. Was ok, would have preferred the MET but it was closed on Mondays. After that walked to some shopping... and got Frozen hot chocolate at Serendipity. (2 hour wait). Then went home. Flight was delayed 2 hours but otherwise smooth sailing.


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So my thoughts.

I am 28, born, raised, and lived in California. I have visited other parts of the country, but never NY. It was more then I would have expected. people EVERYWHERE.. literally.. non stop.. walls of people. subways packed... places open all night... no shortage of food or people.

Prices were expensive, way more then San Diego and San Diego is supposedly an expensive place to live.

Times Square is awesome, you see it on TV or pictures, but in person its even more impressive.

Saw a bunch of Donald trump buildings too. If you are in mid town you can't walk 10 blocks without running into something.

Oh also went to FAO schwartz... the big piano that they play with their feet in the movie BIG.. it costs 250,000.00!!!! can you believe that?

I would have liked to have met up with more EF people, but Sawastea was a good bro and very helpful.

That's all for now, I am sure I have left a lot of stuff out...

oh cost.. total cost for the trip for me alone... about $1200.. maybe $1500... that includes flight, 5 nights in a hotel, transportation, all food, souvenirs.. and admissions to sight seeing stuff.

In Chinatown you can get fake designer handbags for $20 or less.. fake Lacoste shirts for $15.. Rolex for $20-40... you can also find these items on the street in other parts of the city as well.
 
figures the long posts never get the replies!
 
How tha hell you remember all those street names wtf... you have a journal or something?

Sucks about the wallet brotha.
 
good times maing, seems reasonably priced for 5 nights...what's the deal with that weed delivery service? I've heard about that, explain a bit more...how did you get your wallet ganked?
 
now u kow what its like, lol.... souds like a good time... my time in NYC was fun, i was about 12.. it was crazy we were on the empire state building, ad the ext day some guy was shot up there... i guess the guy was out there snooping around the day we were on it!!
huge city.. cool preformers, i wanna go back sometime
 
Cata1yst said:
How tha hell you remember all those street names wtf... you have a journal or something?

Sucks about the wallet brotha.
nah no journal, i just remember shit like that, I got really familiar with the subway system and to find places I needed to know addresses so I just remembered them.

Its funny though, here is one thing I noticed when meeting up with people. Everyone seems to live in their own little silo that they make for themselves.. my friend on the lower east side hadnt been to any places up north, my friend on the upper west side had no idea of the places i went to down south... I got to the point at the end of the trip where i knew the city better then my friend who had lived there 3 years!
 
Lestat said:
nah no journal, i just remember shit like that, I got really familiar with the subway system and to find places I needed to know addresses so I just remembered them.

Its funny though, here is one thing I noticed when meeting up with people. Everyone seems to live in their own little silo that they make for themselves.. my friend on the lower east side hadnt been to any places up north, my friend on the upper west side had no idea of the places i went to down south... I got to the point at the end of the trip where i knew the city better then my friend who had lived there 3 years!


it's cause most people have everything they want in their neighborhoods. plus it's a bitch to get around.
 
Gambino said:
good times maing, seems reasonably priced for 5 nights...what's the deal with that weed delivery service? I've heard about that, explain a bit more...how did you get your wallet ganked?
Ok so I get out of the theater, and its 1:15am and the street is PACKED.. seriously bro, SHOULDER TO SHOULDER with people..

here's the other thing, during the day Times Square is all business.. but at 1:15am on a Friday night.. me and my girlfriend were literally the only white people in site... not that I'm racist, but San Diego does NOT have this type of diversity...

So I am exiting the theater and walking and I thought to myself that it was a little scary out... about a minute later I feel my pockets are empty... I feel down and what do you know.. no wallet.. no digital camera.... I am sure it got jacked in the crowd of people.. pick pockets are skilled.. i've seen shows where it shows them taking wallets... watchets.. even neck ties off people and they don't notice it because they distract them.

I checked the theater just in case, they had not cleaned it yet and no one else was sitting on our ailse.. but it was not there. No way my wallet and camera both fell out anyway.. it was jacked.
 
I'm glad you enjoyed the city and had a wonderful time. Sorry about the pick pocketing.

I will be up there soon. I miss it.
 
Dunk said:
u make this place seem better than it is.
Its not some place I would want to live, and a 6 day vacation there was a bit much, but its a good experience.
 
I really miss the east. Glad you had fun. I can't seem to leave NYC without spending a few grand. Lol @ the "delivery" service. We had those in Philly too. Also had weed stores. They have a store full of normal shit behind a counter with a plexi glass shield. A lot of stores have a hole in the glass big enough to put what you buy through. These ones had a hole big enough to fit dimes through.
 
nycgirl said:
I'm glad you enjoyed the city and had a wonderful time. Sorry about the pick pocketing.

I will be up there soon. I miss it.
I blame myself.. it was my 3rd day there and everything had gone PERFECTLY>..

I'd see a few fights... a lady and a cab driver.. my friend got hit by a cab... some chick was screaming and crying telling some big black dude "just go about your business sir and leave me alone!!!" the cops surrounded him pretty quick...

anyway, by day 3.. after seeing a mind numbing movie and walking a crowded street at 1am I didn't even think twice.. I had my hands on my map looking at it and that left my pockets wide open.. they were loose baggy shorts with deep pockets... I could have easily prevented it had I been more away of what was going on around me.
 
deltreefitness said:
I can't believe you ate those roasted nuts. They're so unbelievably dirty. Thanks for sharing though!
yeah man, they were stale... i didn't eat any other street vendor food..
 
sweed said:
now u kow what its like, lol.... souds like a good time... my time in NYC was fun, i was about 12.. it was crazy we were on the empire state building, ad the ext day some guy was shot up there... i guess the guy was out there snooping around the day we were on it!!
huge city.. cool preformers, i wanna go back sometime
yeah I got some pics of some of the street performers... great shit.. i'll get pics posted soon.

The City is FAR MORE diverse then anything I am used too.. Vancouver was diverse when I visited there.. but here in San Diego we have mostly whites.. a lot of mexicans down south.. and asians at the colleges.. not many african americans..

in NY there are HUGE populations of all races... people from all over the world too.
 
Lestat said:
in NY there are HUGE populations of all races... people from all over the world too.

That is what makes it a beautiful city (imo). You can eat your way around the world (for cheap too), experience different types of art, music, writing, etc.
 
deltreefitness said:
I can't believe you ate those roasted nuts. They're so unbelievably dirty. Thanks for sharing though!

lol. glad you had a good time lestat. I lived on the upper east side for 3 yrs before heading out to the country/beaches on Long Island. It's an awesome city, with never a shortage of things to do/see. Downsides is it's ridiculously expensive and kind of wears you down after a while...or maybe that was my job.....

deltree is right though, stay away from the nuts, :lmao:
 
Yo, I lived on 50th and 2nd!!! Redemption must be new!!!! :Chef: :tuc:
 
Gambino said:
good times maing, seems reasonably priced for 5 nights...what's the deal with that weed delivery service? I've heard about that, explain a bit more...how did you get your wallet ganked?
the delivery service.. you just have to know the # and you call and tell them how much, what address and what time.. they show up. Its almost like its a totally legal and legit business! there is more then one, but there is one main one that covers pretty much all of mahattan.
 
chefbone said:
Yo, I lived on 50th and 2nd!!! Redemption must be new!!!! :Chef: :tuc:
yeah it was on a corner.. maybe it was 49th and 2nd ave.. on the other corner was another place but I forgot the name.. sawastea knows though.
 
_Yossarian_ said:
lol. glad you had a good time lestat. I lived on the upper east side for 3 yrs before heading out to the country/beaches on Long Island. It's an awesome city, with never a shortage of things to do/see. Downsides is it's ridiculously expensive and kind of wears you down after a while...or maybe that was my job.....

deltree is right though, stay away from the nuts, :lmao:
dude it wore on me after 6 days!!

I like the laid back Cali lifestyle.
 
Lestat said:
the delivery service.. you just have to know the # and you call and tell them how much, what address and what time.. they show up. Its almost like its a totally legal and legit business! there is more then one, but there is one main one that covers pretty much all of mahattan.
I use to get Yayo that way. Service from 3:00 p.m.- 3:00 a.m. They were always 30 minutes and always hooked it up!! :Chef: :tuc:
 
chefbone said:
I use to get Yayo that way. Service from 3:00 p.m.- 3:00 a.m. They were always 30 minutes and always hooked it up!! :Chef: :tuc:
yeah its pretty awesome!
 
Lestat said:
yeah its pretty awesome!
It's outta control dude. You call one dude, and another shows up with the shit. How the fuck does it work maing. I was always baffled by that syndicate. :Chef: :tuc:
 
chefbone said:
It's outta control dude. You call one dude, and another shows up with the shit. How the fuck does it work maing. I was always baffled by that syndicate. :Chef: :tuc:

the del. services in the city are beautifully coordinated. Our guy would show in max 45min with 4-5 different kinds of the choicest nugs, all perfectly labeled in clear plastic cubes. Expensive like everything else in the city($75 per 1/8), but worth it.

There was a large bust a couple of yrs ago, some guy who ran one of the del. services had a hydroponic system wired to a computer set up in an apartment downtown. Didnt even have to visit the place except to harvest the crop. How he got busted excapes me at the moment.....
 
_Yossarian_ said:
the del. services in the city are beautifully coordinated. Our guy would show in max 45min with 4-5 different kinds of the choicest nugs, all perfectly labeled in clear plastic cubes. Expensive like everything else in the city($75 per 1/8), but worth it.

There was a large bust a couple of yrs ago, some guy who ran one of the del. services had a hydroponic system wired to a computer set up in an apartment downtown. Didnt even have to visit the place except to harvest the crop. How he got busted excapes me at the moment.....
i threw away the clear plastic cube but should have saved it as a souvenire!
 
Lestat said:
the delivery service.. you just have to know the # and you call and tell them how much, what address and what time.. they show up. Its almost like its a totally legal and legit business! there is more then one, but there is one main one that covers pretty much all of mahattan.

good pot? what prevents the dude from getting robbed?
 
hey lestat my wife is from wayne NJ. the country club you went to my wife and i have been there on many occasions for weddings also. i am from NY but now live in florida. i love visiting NY but thats about it. i lived there for 18 years and got out and joined the navy. good thing i did. my friends are still hangin on the street corners like we did in Hihg School. NYC is a blast. we went there last year for new years eve in times square. we were 2 blocks from the ball drop. right in front of toys r us. loved every minute of it. we got there at 1pm and stayed till 1am. 12 hours in the same spot but it was fun. partying in the streets. anyway, id love to go back to nyc to visit. maybe take a trip and visit George. lol... just an idea. take it easy bro. oh, and sorry about the wallet, that happens a lot. a navy buddy of mine was drunk and passed out on the train, he woke up and his back pocket was sliced open and his wallet was gone. they even took his wedding ring. you have to keep your guard up in NYC.
 
i love ny -- but i can't live in a city where i can't drive. I enjoy my abilty to jump in my car and grab a carton of milk and be back within 5 minutes.
 
Mr. dB said:
You got your pocket picked on your second night there? Heck, I lived there for over a year and was never victimized once.
3rd night, and I blame myself more then anything.

besides, how many times have you been walking around Times Square at 1am on a Friday or Saturday night?

I don't reccomend it.
 
jackangel said:
lmao you were out in the open just perusing a map? lol
yeah bro like 50% of the time that was what I was doing.. total tourist, I didn't give a fuck. Are you the type that goes on vacation and tries to play like you are a local or some shit? lame.
 
Lestat said:
yeah bro like 50% of the time that was what I was doing.. total tourist, I didn't give a fuck. Are you the type that goes on vacation and tries to play like you are a local or some shit? lame.

did you have a camera around your neck with an "I heart NY" shirt on?
 
Lestat said:
yeah bro like 50% of the time that was what I was doing.. total tourist, I didn't give a fuck. Are you the type that goes on vacation and tries to play like you are a local or some shit? lame.

I'm that type. You don't play like a local. You plan your day and know where you are going (or at least look like it).

Its called not looking liking a target for muggers.
 
Lestat said:
3rd night, and I blame myself more then anything.

besides, how many times have you been walking around Times Square at 1am on a Friday or Saturday night?

I don't reccomend it.

When I did it, it was the "old" Times Square, not the new Disney version.

But in general Times Square is not my idea of a nifty area to hang out.
 
Lestat said:
Saturday we went to New Jersey for a wedding, it was in Wayne New Jersey... country club there, nice wedding, tons of great food and an open bar with a ton of top shelf stuff.

North Jersey or Preakness Hills Country Club?
 
So what art did you see? I breezed through your post, just noticed a gallery. MOMA? Gug? See any chuck close? I guess you can't spit in a NY gallery without seein his shitte.
 
Good post Lestat....


The wife and I have not been back in years......not my thing. The arts side of NYC is something to behold....unlike anywhere in the world IMO....but as for the throngs of people......forget about it.

I'd take San Diego any day of the week over a crowded metropolis. :)
 
no letterman, since I didn't had ID i had to leave earlier to get to the airport.

I went to the Empire state building, just didn't go up it.

Went the the natural science museum and the gugenheim as well as www.cosm.org (Alex Grey).

And I knew a lot about where I was going, but in most cases I just played things by ear.. had a general plan for the day.. but then just went off how i felt.. for instance one day on the way to the MET.. we decided to just head south to Chinatown..
 
$1,500 is a lot of dough. I would O.D on booze,blow,pot and pussy for a whole month in Colombia for that much money.




-BRR
 
Big Rick Rock said:
$1,500 is a lot of dough. I would O.D on booze,blow,pot and pussy for a whole month in Colombia for that much money.




-BRR
hotel runs about $150-200 a night.. 5 nights. flight was $300-400... then food.. $50-100 per day... then random shit like paying to get into museums and buying knockoff leather goods on the street.
 
BileStew said:
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yeah man, sorry i didn't reply to this earlier, but that was it! good call.
 
Lestat said:
hotel runs about $150-200 a night.. 5 nights. flight was $300-400... then food.. $50-100 per day... then random shit like paying to get into museums and buying knockoff leather goods on the street.



I hear ya... I thru taking expensive vacation... I should say going on vacation to expensive places. I took my kid to "Sesame Place" for a weekend and that shit set me back a few hundred for only two days...
For $2,000usd I can visit any Third World country for a month and party until I'm so burned out I want to come back to work, and still not have spent the 2k...

I might be going to Thailand some time next year (Spring) any of you guys want to come with me?




-BRR
 
I couldn't handle the crowds of people. When you get use to living in the country, it freaks you out to be in a large crowd of people.
 
Congrats on having a great trip - Sorry about the wallet - Didnt think that stuff still happened here - seems like you got a giid taste of all areas/people etc.

One thing DO NOT WEAR THOSE SUNGLASSES - Fake ones are NO NO-s they have protection so the shade allows your pupils to open and wind up allowing more damaging rays to hit your eye - And plus all that canal street stuff just sends money to terriost and human traffickers etc
 
Big Rick Rock said:
I hear ya... I thru taking expensive vacation... I should say going on vacation to expensive places. I took my kid to "Sesame Place" for a weekend and that shit set me back a few hundred for only two days...
For $2,000usd I can visit any Third World country for a month and party until I'm so burned out I want to come back to work, and still not have spent the 2k...

I might be going to Thailand some time next year (Spring) any of you guys want to come with me?




-BRR
Thailand for a month would be an experience to remember..
 
Lestat said:
Thailand for a month would be an experience to remember..



More than you know....

Here is an article about a trip to Thailand from t-mag.com :


"The Thailand Trilogy
Part I: Descent into Bangkok
by Chris Shugart from t-mag.com



They told him he'd be changed. They told him the city would magnify his faults, amplify the dark half of his soul, and dull the things about him that were pure and good.

They said he'd forget himself.

They warned him not to get addicted, not to the drugs, not to the nightlife, and certainly not to the women. Better the drugs than the women. He said he wouldn't. Yeah, they smiled, that's what they all say.

But he knew the dangers. He'd read the books, you see. He knew the city could suck him in if he allowed it to. He knew he could get lost in its arms like those who'd come before him, those who now warned him of the dangers.

Somewhere in the embrace of Nana Plaza, the upstairs bars of Patpong, and the short time hotels of Soi Cowboy, a man could lose himself, or at least those parts of himself that mattered.

But he had resolve. He had a family back home. His soul was secure and locked up tight. The city wouldn't get him. As his plane descended at 3am, he watched the lights grow closer and he said it aloud.

You won't get me.

Outside the window, the lights grew closer and more defined.

Outside the window, Bangkok laughed.


City

The trick to surviving a motorcycle taxi ride through Bangkok is to hang on with your knees and keep them tight. If you don't you could fall off or, at the very least, bash your knees into the sideview mirrors of the cars you pass. For less than one US dollar, a motorcycle taxi will take you anywhere in Bangkok. You fly through the city's notorious traffic jams, pop up on sidewalks, and take turns that leave you nauseated. It's the cheapest, fastest form of transit in the city, and one of the easiest ways to die.

Three people die every hour in Bangkok traffic, but during the ride you don't think of statistics. With the city whipping by and the intoxicating fumes in your nose, you can't think much of anything; you can only feel. And what you feel is the sweaty exhilaration of being on the edge, of being outside yourself, disconnected, and liking it. This feeling comes to you quickly in Bangkok and is perhaps more dangerous than the motorcycle taxis themselves.


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I'd arrived in Bangkok early that morning after being in planes and airports for over twenty-four hours. The lobby of the Dynasty Inn (the "Die Nasty" to expatriates) was filled with bored looking bar girls and passed out soccer hooligans who'd come to Thailand to watch the games live. It was 4am local time but my body's internal clock said it was 4pm. I hit the streets. Despite the hour, Bangkok was alive and humming.

The smell is the first thing you notice. Bangkok has 10-million residents and is one of the most polluted cities on earth. The garbage piles up and in its midst are countless food stalls cooking things both delicious and repulsive. Mix these odors with car exhaust and a hint of the overloaded sewer system and you have Bangkok perfume.

The city has been called a sexual amusement park and it's no secret that Thailand draws most of its visitors with the lure of cheap, exotic sex. At 4am, the amusement park rides are still open. In my first hour in Thailand, I was propositioned several times by freelancers still looking for punters after the bars have closed. Transsexuals, strung out bar girls starting to show their age, and young girls much too beautiful to be selling themselves on the streets, all called to me like Sirens in their sing-song voices and bar-room English.

In just a few blocks, stepping over the emaciated homeless and fat stray dogs that scattered the sidewalks, I'd sweat through my shirt. Thailand is hot and humid, even at 4am. The smell, the calls of the girls, and the groan of traffic suddenly overwhelmed me. The daylong trip caught up with me in an instant and I dragged myself back to the Dynasty and collapsed.

T-mag had sent me to explore the city, investigate the drug scene, and take an unflinching look into the sex industry that not-so-secretly fuels the Thai economy. But all of that would have to wait. The city would be waiting when I woke up.

Bangkok, of course, doesn't sleep.


Conflicts and Contrasts

Bangkok is a city of contrasts and Thailand a country of contradictions. Here anabolic steroids are sold over the counter just as in Mexico, but protein powders are illegal and not approved by the Thai version of the FDA. (Bangkok GNCs have creatine, fish oil capsules, and amino acid tablets, but that's about it for bodybuilders.) Hard drugs can get you the death penalty but androgens, anti-depressants, diet pills, Viagra, Valium and most other drugs can be had cheaply and without a prescription.



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Once known for its heroin, Thailand now has a huge methamphetamine problem. Caffeine tablets are banned in many areas of Thailand and except for raw Ma Huang purchased in Chinatown herb shops, you won't find any ephedra-like products. In other words, you'll be hard pressed to find caffeine, but speed (one form of which is known as ya-mar or yah-ba and is popular with bar girls) is quite easy to obtain.

Looking back, these apparent conflicts aren't so strange. After all, I come from a country where a doctor would be unlikely to prescribe Testosterone, yet would be glad to prescribe estrogen and help me change my sex if I wanted. Thailand simply has a different set of inconsistencies.

The incongruous nature of Thailand is more apparent when it comes to sex. In Thailand, chastity is held in high esteem and women are expected to be virgins when married. After a divorce or death of her husband, a Thai woman has a hard time remarrying. At the same time, the country is driven by an extensive sex industry. There's nothing that strange about taking your business associates out for a nice lunch and a blowjob in a bar that caters to both hungers.

Likewise, over 90% of the population is Buddhist and women can't show too much skin at the wats (temples), yet these same girls may take to the streets of Patpong — one of the infamous red light districts — dressed only in bikinis and knee-high boots. A bar girl may wear a crucifix around her neck but have never heard of Jesus. She may spend the night with a different farang (foreigner) every night, yet be offended if one of her customers goes out with another prostitute besides her. She may call him a butterfly, an offensive term meaning that he "flies from one flower to another." If it's pointed out that she has sex with five different men a week, she'll sigh and say "But I working" as if that justifies everything.

All of this contributes to the culture shock experienced by the green farang on his first trip to Thailand. But the culture shock is only just beginning. The real shock begins when he takes his first close-up peek into the flesh trade.



DESCENT II


The sex was inescapable. As a Westerner in Thailand, it was assumed he was there for sex. He was a farang and therefore a mark, a walking ATM machine with a hard-on. At the hotel, a security guard offered him his cousin for pocket change. "She young, clean, very nice. You want?" Taxi drivers wanted to take him to massage parlors. Waitresses offered sexual favors for tips. All this and he hadn't yet entered one of the red-light districts — Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, Patpong. What would it be like there?

Thailand, he was discovering, was both Babylon and Xanadu, both Sodom and Gomorrah. Bangkok was a city of angels offering brief glimpses into heaven for a price. But he knew that behind the exotic beauty, these angels were demons, and the small price they charged wasn't a mere pittance, but a piece of his soul. He would not fall.

That night, a friend in Bangkok took him to a hostess bar. The girls there were classy, pretty, and they treated him like a king — feeding him, laughing, stroking his leg under the table and competing for his favor. He wasn't inexperienced when it came to women, but this kind of attention and adoration was new to him. At the Executive Lounge, he was a rock star. He knew he was enjoying this a little too much, giving in to the fantasy.

He told himself that despite the upscale surroundings, these girls were prostitutes. He tried to see behind their smiles, tried his best to recall the warnings he'd been given. But these thoughts were fading now, lost in a swirl of perfectly petite women and the caress of tiny hands in the darkness, both more intoxicating than the drinks that kept appearing before him.

It was midnight at a hostess bar in Bangkok. This wasn't real. His real life was nine thousand miles away in another country, another world. He'd told himself that he wouldn't fall, but tonight, here, he felt himself starting to slip.





The Pursuit of Little Brown Women


"It's not like buying a hooker," an American who'd been to Thailand several times told him. "It's like renting a really good girlfriend." Indeed, most bar girls (the generic term for prostitutes) prefer you take them out of the bar "long time" — for the night, for several days or even weeks at a time. During this time, she'll be your attentive companion, your guide, your translator, your masseuse, your housekeeper and, of course, your lover.

Her job is to please you and nothing else. If you have a good one, she'll dress you, feed you, and make sure your toothbrush already has toothpaste on it before you're ready to use it. It's no wonder men fall in love with bar girls everyday.


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Prostitution, being the world's oldest profession after all, has a long history in Thailand. Although not totally accepted, it's not looked at in the same light as most other countries. Thailand has traditionally had a mia yai, mia noi (major wife, minor wife) system. In others words, it was okay to have a mistress or minor wife in the concubinary tradition. This has fallen out of favor in recent times, though wealthy Thais are still said to have plenty of minor wives. Also, most Thai men say they've visited prostitutes at one time in their lives. In truth, it's as common as going to the dentist.

Prostitution is technically illegal, but was decriminalized in 1992 so the girls would more openly seek treatment for STDs. Some bars do require their girls to get checked out for AIDS and STDs but this generally isn't reliable and should not be trusted as these "tests" are often just a cursory exam and not a real test. Some bar girls insist on using condoms while others couldn't care less.

There are some 250,000 to two million prostitutes in Thailand, depending on which source you believe. One-fifth of these are male and about 14% are reported to have AIDS. It goes without saying that any man visiting Thailand for sex should bring and use condoms. (And don't use Thai condoms as they're too small for most farangs and the quality is very poor.)


Go-Go Bars and Hostess Lounges

How does one go about renting a really good girlfriend? Typically, you go into a go-go bar, a lounge, or take a seat at an open-air beer garden. If you don't pick out a girl yourself, they'll start approaching you. If you want them to stick around, you buy them a "lady drink," usually a non-alcoholic drink from which she makes a percentage. At the more respectable places, it's totally up to the girl whether she leaves with you or not, although no man sleeps alone in Bangkok if he doesn't want to.

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If you find the girl of your wet dreams (and there's at least a couple in every establishment), you must first pay her bar fine. This is not payment for sex, but compensation for the bar who's losing one of its drink-selling go-go girls or hostesses. Bar fines run 500 baht (about $12) typically, a little less at the outdoor beer bars and a little more for hostesses ("hello girls") as opposed to stage dancers. The girl will change clothes and she's yours for the next hour, the rest of the night, or for as long as you want.

Most girls prefer to go "long time," meaning at least overnight. If you'd rather "ball and haul," you can get the girl "short time." Sometimes the bars even provide a short-time room for a few dollars. If not, the red-light districts are lined with short-time hotels geared toward the skin trade.

Price for sex varies, but a night with a cute bar girl will usually run at least 1000 baht ($25), with 1500 baht ($37) being fair for both parties. Some claim to get away with only 500 baht a night while others dole out up to 3000 baht ($73) per night. (Keep in mind that policeman in Thailand make only 6000 baht a month, which is why so many girls work in bars and why the police are corrupt.)

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Chances are if you enjoyed the girl and want to see her again, you'll at least go 1500. You don't want to be dubbed a "Cheap Charlie." Word will get around and you'll find that the best looking ones will start to avoid you. Price may be arranged beforehand or you can give them what you think they're worth the next morning.

For your money, you'll get just about anything you want sexually, though most girls won't go anal. (If you have a particular kink, talk to the bar's mamasan and she'll tell you which girls will suit your needs.) Oral sex is not a Thai tradition nor is kissing, but most bar girls pick up these skills sooner or later and oblige without you having to ask. (Instead of kissing, Thai girls get close to you and sniff you, then brush you lightly with their lips; strange, but when done properly, very erotic.) A skilled service girl will get you off once or twice that night and again the next morning.


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She'll always take a shower before and after sex and you're expected to do the same. Thais are notoriously clean. Bar girls are, oddly enough, rather shy. This is simply a cultural thing. You may have picked them up in a topless go-go bar, but she'll usually get into bed with a towel wrapped around her, then remove it only when under the covers. "I shy" seems to be one of the first things they learn to say in English. The shyness ends promptly once the bedroom acrobatics begin.


Massage Parlors

Besides go-go bars, gentleman's lounges and outdoor beer bars, there are other places for white boys to meet brown girls and make boom-boom. You can find massage parlors on every street in Bangkok. This is because massage is an important part of Asian culture and most of these places are on the up and up (although reportedly, even legit massage pallor chains have girls that offer handjobs for a couple of bucks extra once they get you into the private rooms).

But if you want an "erotic massage" you don't have to look far. Chances are you'll be shown a brochure by a cabbie or tuk-tuk driver and he'll offer to take you to one.

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This is the brochure you'll be shown dozens of times per day. Of course, the girls probably won't look half as lovely as the ones in the picture. Then again, they might.


He gets a kickback for this so the cabbies and street touts can sometimes be relentless in this regard:

"Take me to the Grand Palace and use the meter, please."

"You want massage?" the cabbie will inevitably ask.

"No."

"Very nice lady."

"No, thank you."

"She make sex with you. Fuck you, suck you."

"No, really, thanks."

"Clean girl, very nice."

"No!"

"Okay," he pauses for only a few seconds before continuing, "You want fucking show? Pussy shoot ping pong ball? Pussy smoke cigarette? Pussy fishes in? Pussy…"

I had this conversation at least a dozen times a day.

An erotic massage can be as simple as a regular massage with a handjob or blowjob "finisher" or it can be much more elaborate. The most popular involves two girls who strip you down, soap you and themselves up while lying on a plastic mat, then proceed to slip and slide all over you until you're about to sexually explode. This is known as a "soapie." Intercourse, or at least a handjob, usually follows.

Some of these massage parlors can be huge. You walk in and see hundreds of girls sitting behind a one way mirror dressed in evening wear. You talk to the papasan, choose your girl by the number she wears buttoned to her, and retire together to a private room. If this is a "Turkish bath," you'll get a massage, a soaping down and sex. Other massage establishments seem to be straight whorehouses and there's little massaging actually taking place.

Prices can be cheap, a couple of hundred baht for the massage, then you can negotiate with the girl for any "extras." Two girl, two hour soapies, with sex might run up to 4000 baht, expensive by Thai standards, but only about $98 in US funds. (Imagine what an American man can spend in one night at a strip club and only come away blue-balled and sexually frustrated!)

It's interesting to note that some men who rather enjoy the Bangkok sex scene look down on many of these massage parlors because the girls don't really have a choice of who they go with or sometimes what they do. The whole "girls in a fishbowl" mentality smacks of indentured labor to many. And until recently, many of these places specialized in underage girls. More on that later.


Blowjob Bars and Freelancers

Getting into the really seedy side of Bangkok nightlife, you have the blowjob bars. Yes, blowjob bars. This is exactly what it sounds like. You walk in, sit down, order a beer, and get a BJ while drinking it. If you're a little shy about having your doorknob polished with a bunch of other guys around, small private rooms can be rented. A beer and a hummer run around 400 baht or $10. Needless to say, girls here tend to be pretty ugly or else they'd be working in a more respectable establishment. Blowjob bars are considered to be low class even by those who spend every night in go-go bars.

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Freelancers are your typical streetwalkers. You don't have to pay a bar fine for these girls, obviously, but there are numerous extra risks. They may be too ugly, too fat or too old to work in go-go bars, or perhaps they'd been fired for whatever reason. Generally speaking, the risk of disease is usually greater with freelancers, they may be katoeys (transsexuals or "lady boys"), or they may rip you off (i.e. while you're in the shower, they grab your money and run.) Bar girls are less likely to do this because they don't want to lose their jobs at the bars for stealing from customers.

On the other hand, if a girl doesn't get bar fined, she may take to the streets as a freelancer after the bar closes at 2am. Still, while there are many, many risks associated with Bangkok nightlife, these risks are substantially higher with freelancers.



Sex Shows


As noted above, it's almost impossible to escape the notorious sex shows of Bangkok. Walk down any of the touristy areas or along the red-light districts of Nana Plaza, Patpong or Soi Cowboy and you'll be all but dragged into these sleazy "pussy shows."

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There you'll see man-woman shows, man-man shows, woman-woman shows, or woman-snake shows. Along with the sex, a variety of, well, vaginal gymnastics, are displayed. Shooting ping pong balls across the room, smoking cigarettes, tricks with fruit and live fish, writing letters and drawing, and stunts with razor blades all top the list of popular sex shows.

I'm not sure if anyone actually gets off on this type of thing or are merely drawn in out of alcohol-induced curiosity, but the shows seem to be popular. They're also an easy place to get ripped off so the wise thrill seeker will watch his wallet closely. I spent about twenty seconds in one of these places and walked out quickly.

In short, whatever your sexual orientation, whatever your particular fetish or desire, there's something tempting for you in Bangkok. Men can lose their money and even their hearts at these places very quickly.


DESCENT III

It didn't take him long to fall. He'd met Jion at Emergency, a club where all the girls dressed like naughty nurses. Beside Emergency was the The Classroom where the standard uniform was a Catholic school girl's outfit. He'd gone in just for fun, just to look around, when she came up to him. What struck him were her eyes, deep and almond and focused on nothing but him. He thought of the old cliché of drowning in the pools of another person's eyes, a sappy romance novel standby he'd laughed at before. Now, at this moment, he completely understood.

Her English was good and they talked for an hour, getting closer every few minutes. Jion was 28, a little old for a bar girl, and had a ten-year-old daughter. She'd left her husband a year before because he'd hit her and drank too much. She'd lived with her parents until her mother had died and had then found work as a food server for 60 baht a day, not even two dollars.

Jion had only four years of schooling and was determined her daughter would have a better education than she. On the advice of a friend she became a bar girl at Emergency. She liked the uniforms there and didn't want to have to wear a bikini when she danced. She'd been at the bar for three months. Her daughter didn't know what she really did for a living. Jion told her she worked nights at a factory making clothes.

He knew bar girls often lied about how long they'd been working. He knew they wanted you to fall for the "knight in shining armor" scam and give them money on a regular basis. He knew all this and yet he still felt sorry for her. He wanted to take her away from the bar girl life. He wanted to save her. He also wanted very badly to sleep with her. His feelings of pity were matched only by his desire. Thailand had whittled away at him until only his raw emotional core was left.

Maybe, he thought, I'll pay her bar fine. But just to talk to her some more outside of the bar. He gave her 500 baht and she went to change clothes. When she came out he hardly recognized her. She'd taken off the tacky nurse's uniform and slipped into black pants and a short black shirt, both clinging to her tiny frame. Her hair was much longer than he'd thought. She was beautiful. Back in America, she'd be on the cover of magazines. They held hands like high-school sweethearts and walked the streets talking.

He thought to himself that he couldn't do this. He knew better. She probably had a disease. (Buy some condoms.) She'd probably lied to him about everything. (But how could he know that?) She was probably still married and supporting an alcoholic husband. (But did that matter tonight, here in Pattaya as they walked along the beach under a near full moon?)

"Where we go now?" she asked him, standing on her tip toes to sniff-kiss his neck and chest. She looked up into his eyes and smiled. And nothing else mattered. "
 
Hey Leshit, I'm glad you had a good visit...I have no desire to visit NYC again, been there a few times on business....scary places at night...good restaurants, but super expensive.....anyway, I like your part of the country much better....

BTW, WTF was Saws GF's Mom doing with them on a date??/ LMAO
 
bullett said:
Hey Leshit, I'm glad you had a good visit...I have no desire to visit NYC again, been there a few times on business....scary places at night...good restaurants, but super expensive.....anyway, I like your part of the country much better....

BTW, WTF was Saws GF's Mom doing with them on a date??/ LMAO
she was just chillin man, it was cool by me.
 
Big Rick Rock said:
More than you know....

Here is an article about a trip to Thailand from t-mag.com :
great story, is there more to it?
 
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cool post lestat. Its funny hearing from you getting to know those places in NY that I also just got familiar with a few months ago when I went there for my first time...

I also had a delivery service with friends ;)

definitely do not think its a great place to live but fun to visit...
 
Allon said:
cool post lestat. Its funny hearing from you getting to know those places in NY that I also just got familiar with a few months ago when I went there for my first time...

I also had a delivery service with friends ;)

definitely do not think its a great place to live but fun to visit...
yeah it was definitely an experience... not really my style though.

I was just in Palm springs for a weekend, that's more my style (cept the old people) nice and relaxed.
 
And chicks in NYC are fuggly and strip clubs suck. Other than that I loved my little trip in august too.
 
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