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Stats: 185cm tall, 185lb, 22 years old, training for 4,5 years. BF 8%
I have been forced to quite both my cycles dew to kidney and liver pain.
First cycle: Oral Turinabol (40mg ed) + Winstrol (50mg ed)(8 weeks) ( did 2 weeks of nolva and clomid pct)
I realize now that an oral only is not very smart... Anyways, this combo was amazing. put on 9 kg in 6 weeks before my kidneys and liver got enough. (was getting about 1,5 gallon of water at this time) BF was even improved. But about 4 months later i saw symtoms of gyno. sore and pointy nipples.
Six months after my first i started my second cycle, i wanted something that could not aromatize ofcourse, so i ended up with masteron and winstrol (masteron@350 a week and 50mg winstrol ed) after 1 week on masteron my gyno was COMPLETLY gone... but this was pretty much the only thing i got from this cycle. its now been almost 3 weeks into this cycle and i cant see sign of any improvement other than what i would expect from being in the gym 6 times a week. I now also get the same pain in kidneys and liver as i did with my first cycle (still getting 1,5 gallons)
So basicly my question is what do you guys suggest for my third and possibly last cycle if i have the same issues. I should also mention i checked my kidneys and liver after my first cycle and they where fine.
Obviosly winstrol is not for me. I want to put on a little mass, but big bloat gains are not of intrest and it also increases chance of gyno. Steroids that come to mind is primo (but may be a little weak when it comes to mass) and Turina only for a short time with a solid pct?
Looking forward to hear your suggestions.
I have been forced to quite both my cycles dew to kidney and liver pain.
First cycle: Oral Turinabol (40mg ed) + Winstrol (50mg ed)(8 weeks) ( did 2 weeks of nolva and clomid pct)
I realize now that an oral only is not very smart... Anyways, this combo was amazing. put on 9 kg in 6 weeks before my kidneys and liver got enough. (was getting about 1,5 gallon of water at this time) BF was even improved. But about 4 months later i saw symtoms of gyno. sore and pointy nipples.
Six months after my first i started my second cycle, i wanted something that could not aromatize ofcourse, so i ended up with masteron and winstrol (masteron@350 a week and 50mg winstrol ed) after 1 week on masteron my gyno was COMPLETLY gone... but this was pretty much the only thing i got from this cycle. its now been almost 3 weeks into this cycle and i cant see sign of any improvement other than what i would expect from being in the gym 6 times a week. I now also get the same pain in kidneys and liver as i did with my first cycle (still getting 1,5 gallons)
So basicly my question is what do you guys suggest for my third and possibly last cycle if i have the same issues. I should also mention i checked my kidneys and liver after my first cycle and they where fine.
Obviosly winstrol is not for me. I want to put on a little mass, but big bloat gains are not of intrest and it also increases chance of gyno. Steroids that come to mind is primo (but may be a little weak when it comes to mass) and Turina only for a short time with a solid pct?
Looking forward to hear your suggestions.
