My knee is absolutely killing me.

[UFC22]

What is this from? Right now i'm running 500mgs of Test EW along with 60mgs of var ED. I am also using 25mgs of Aromasin ED. I think the Aromasin maybe be the culprit. My dilema is that they are 25mg caps and I can't split them. 25mgs EOD did not work for me so I had to go back to 25mgs/ED. Maybe estro is being supressed to much causing joint to ache? It's only my left knee. I love squatting and deadlifting. I recently just started doing the 2 hardcore so maybe my body is reacting to that also.

Any help?

 

[Mac173]

It could be too much E suppression.
But I would think it would not be so isolated.

What was wrong w/ aromasin eod?

 

[UFC22]

I started getting some nip sensitivity and more bloat than I would like using it at 25mgs/EOD. Your right though, it shouldn't be just isolated on my left knee. Probably from the heavy squats and deads that are now a staple of my routine which were not before.

 

[OMEGA]

It could be too much E suppression.
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bingo

and isolation means nothing, it just means that a vulnerable area is less protected by the lack of systemic E

 

[Mac173]

I started getting some nip sensitivity and more bloat than I would like using it at 25mgs/EOD. Your right though, it shouldn't be just isolated on my left knee. Probably from the heavy squats and deads that are now a staple of my routine which were not before.

Could be a combination of both.
Since ed seems like it may be too much and eod was not enough, maybe ever 36hrs might work, if it don't conflict w/ sleep schedule.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

I would still check in with a doc. I need to get knee surgery in 10 weeks after this last bulker. They want me to rebuild my mass before getting it so I recover quicker. I'm not trying to scare you, just saying it could be something more serious. As soon as I had knee pain I went to a doc who sent me for an mri. If insurance is an issue go to an er. They don't tell you this but if you pay the bill within 30 days most er's cut you a deal and cut the bill in half and some even 75%!

Either way I hope it's nothing serious and something simple. Good luck with both your knee and cycle

 

[todoveritas]

Why couldn't it be isolated? Estrogen is responsible for a lot of joint water retention. That water creates a buffer shock absorber effect in our larger joints (same thing with Deca). Your AI's dry these joints out, hence less shock absorption and increased sensitivity to trauma. You simply strained one knee during training. See your doc. If you choose not to, it might help to: Drop the squats and deadlifts for two weeks. Ice. NSAIDs like Motrin 800mg TID for anti-inflammatory effect (not for pain). Your knee should be better in a week or so.

 

[Mac173]

Why couldn't it be isolated? Estrogen is responsible for a lot of joint water retention. That water creates a buffer shock absorber effect in our larger joints (same thing with Deca). Your AI's dry these joints out, hence less shock absorption and increased sensitivity to trauma. You simply strained one knee during training. See your doc. If you choose not to, it might help to: Drop the squats and deadlifts for two weeks. Ice. NSAIDs like Motrin 800mg TID for anti-inflammatory effect (not for pain). Your knee should be better in a week or so.

Not that it couldn't but I'd think that if E was too low then it would have that effect throughout the joints not just in one knee.
I may be wrong, never had that problem.

 

[todoveritas]

Mac, you're right, low E would be throughout the body. But that doesn't mean that all joints are affected equally. For example, I have an left old knee injury from wrestling in HS that needs all the cushion it can get. It gives me trouble every time I'm on winny and arimidex together. I can't even think about squats when I'm cutting. Its kind of my "weakest link".

 

[Mac173]

Mac, you're right, low E would be throughout the body. But that doesn't mean that all joints are affected equally. For example, I have an left old knee injury from wrestling in HS that needs all the cushion it can get. It gives me trouble every time I'm on winny and arimidex together. I can't even think about squats when I'm cutting. Its kind of my "weakest link".

I see.
Yes injuries would throw a kink in my statement for sure.

 

[UFC22]

Well guys thanks for the advice. Today I did heavy squats and didn't feel much knee pain at all. I go rather deep also. It feels alright but am still afraid about how it will feel tomorrow. Should I switch from Aromasin to another AI like armidex at .5-1mg/ed perhaps?

 

[td1111]

You could always open up the caps and divide the powder into halves or thirds, although just trying arimidex might work and be an easier solution. Aromasin seems to be strong. I just started front-loading 10mg a day for a week in prep for my cycle and I've been super tired and sleeping a LOT as a result. Had to back off to 5mg/day.

 

[UFC22]

You could always open up the caps and divide the powder into halves or thirds, although just trying arimidex might work and be an easier solution. Aromasin seems to be strong. I just started front-loading 10mg a day for a week in prep for my cycle and I've been super tired and sleeping a LOT as a result. Had to back off to 5mg/day.

Thanks for the advice. I am not lazy by any means but splitting these small ass caps I have would be more than a huge pain in the ass. I'd much rather cutt my loses on what I paid and invest in armidex. I will see how 25mgs/ed treats me for another week or so.

 

[blut wump]

25 mg is a lot of suppression for that cycle unless you happen to know that you require a lot of AI. The aromasin is most-likely the root of your problem. If EOD is too long then try E1.5D: morning/following evening/skip a day.

That would effectively take your daily dose down to around 16 mg. It's also possible that the caps are over-dosed.

 

[UFC22]

25 mg is a lot of suppression for that cycle unless you happen to know that you require a lot of AI. The aromasin is most-likely the root of your problem. If EOD is too long then try E1.5D: morning/following evening/skip a day.

That would effectively take your daily dose down to around 16 mg. It's also possible that the caps are over-dosed.

That is a good idea, thanks. But now I am faced with another dilemma. Even at 25mgs/ed I am experiencing some slight nipple sensitivity. Could this be from the usage of finasteride at 1.25mgs/ed?

 

[UFC22]

Ok guys well I squatted yesterday and set a new PR also. It was great, my knee felt great as well. Well I awoke this morning and it kills...I am pretty worried about it. I DO NOT want to lay off the squats and deads what-so-ever. Everything is going great and i'm on cycle. What can I do? Ice it regularly? Glucosamine? Anything???!!1

 

[ironclaw]

What is this from? Right now i'm running 500mgs of Test EW along with 60mgs of Anavar - oxandrolone - ED. I am also using 25mgs of Aromasin ED. I think the Aromasin maybe be the culprit. My dilema is that they are 25mg caps and I can't split them. 25mgs EOD did not work for me so I had to go back to 25mgs/ED. Maybe estro is being supressed to much causing joint to ache? It's only my left knee. I love squatting and deadlifting. I recently just started doing the 2 hardcore so maybe my body is reacting to that also.

Any help?

If it were the increase levels of aromasin, then I think that both knees, or other joints would hurt, not jsut one... maybe you are lifting too hard and stressing your knee tendons more than they can handle.

 

[UFC22]

If it were the increase levels of aromasin, then I think that both knees, or other joints would hurt, not jsut one... maybe you are lifting too hard and stressing your knee tendons more than they can handle.

That might be exactly what it is. I love deep heavy squats but they haven't been a staple of my routine until now. I use to do smith machine squats (my doctor told me too). I did them for over a year and recently just went to barbell back squats. They made a world of difference for me. Now I can't wait to squat, it's probably my favorite activity. I will be icing it 2 times a day from now on until the pain ceases. I'm squatting tomorrow... It's not a heavy day it's Wednesday of the 5x5 program.