My Experiment With Prohormones:

[vikingspiderman]

first off, thanx to everybody that has offerred imput and advice about my impossible situation when it comes to making gains.
It is obvious that are some very knowledable guys hanging around here so major bump ^ to you all... I have officially been talked out of using gear anytime soon. At least until I have tried every other legal alternative. That being said, I have decided to change my training regimen and diet slightly ( at the advice of some of you guys ) while at the same time incorporating the use of a few new prohormones currently on the market. I will be keeping a journal of my training, calorie - protein - carb intake along with the use of other supplements such as creatine and protein shakes.... hopefully it will do two things,

1. prove whether or not prohormones actually provide any steroid like benefits.
2. offer insight as to what I am doing wrong if I still cannot make gains.

as for my situation, I am after a year of training still 155lbs and have never gone above 165lbs. I have used other prohormone products in the past but never saw gains during those times.
Here's what I will doing differently during this cycle.

I will modify my training by basically adding an addittional set to everything I have been doing,,, I will follow a workout given to be by another user, it will look like this......

Workout 1 - Back

Bent over rows( underhand grip - Yates style ) x 5 sets
Chin ups or lat-pull downs x 4 sets
Barbell shrugs x 3 sets
Biceps x 8 or 10 sets various exercises

Workout 2 - Chest

Incline barbell bench x 4 sets - can't flat bench right now(shoulder)
Dumbell flat bench x 4 sets
An isolation movement( cable flys, pec deck, whatever )
Triceps x 8 or 10 sets various movements

Workout 3 - Legs
Squat x 3 sets
Sumo deadlift x 3 sets
Leg press or box squat x 3 or 4 sets
Hams x 3 or 4 sets - Glute ham raises, leg curls, stiff leg dead

Workout 4 - Shoulders
Military press x 4 sets
Power cleans x 4 sets
Lateral raises x 3 sets
8 sets of arms( bi's maybe tri's - maybe bi's and tri's )

I will take in at least 6,000 calories - approx 450g carbs and at least 300g of protein each day. Carb intake is a little high so I will do 20min of cardio on any rest days just to keep body fat levels low as possible.

I will be using effervest creatine tabs ( they claim to have a 99% absorbtion rate) each morning, 30 minutes prior to eating breakfast.

Throughout the first two weeks I will spread out 4 - 100mg tabs of 1-AD along wit a Nitrotech protein shake ( which claims to the best at promoting a positive nitrogen balance ).. I will also be using Heavey Weight gainer protein shakes after each of my 4 meals.

In two weeks I will drop 1-AD dosage to 300mg's daily and stack it with 300mg of Boldione ( also a prohormone) I will continue this for an additional 4 - 6 weeks.

I will report daily on the following....

1. any side effects I may expeirence... hair loss and gyno being my greatest concern. I know that gyno is unlikely buy I have heard that bitch tits are possible with prohormones. ( i don't suspect roid rage to be an issue though

2. any gains in size and strength - vascularisity etc.

3. Weather or not my goals of cal / carb / prot intake have all been met

4. any change in supplement usage

If prohormones do simulate real steroids in any way, I have no doubt that I will find out once and for all. If I do make gains, I will continue the training / nutrition regimen for another 6-8weeks without the use of prohormones to see if gains can be compared " use against non-use"

now if this doesn't work,,, after i have increased training and modified my diet and have used every other supplement known to mankind,,, I humbly request that nobody bust my balls when I give up and get some real gear.

Note this is only on this board because there is still a debate about the anabolic value of prohormones.

 

[Studly Hungwell]

155 and 6000 kcals a day? If you don't baloon up on a diet like that you ain't gonna grow, prohormones or not.

155 and a year of training? I assume your first day of training you weigh less than 155 or something is horrifically wrong prior to you present plan explained above.

How tall are you? B/F?

Well, don't want to saturate you with too many Q's. I would go 600mgs AD-1 and stay with that amount through entire cycle. At least that is the consensus at suppliment board. Good luck.

 

[drveejay11]

good luck bro

 

[Syphonfilter]

I may be in the minority here, but looks like you're setting yourself up for overtraining. Let it never be said that a beginner, which is what you are still, can't make great gains off of simple, basic exercises, i.e., squats/leg press; bent rows, incline press, curls, skullcrushers, and plenty of rest. No prohormone will ever, and I mean ever, give the "results" of steroids. Just my 2cc's.

 

[powerforward]

good luck. keep us updated.

 

[Him1]

"Syphonfilter"Let it never be said that a beginner, which is what you are still, can't make great gains off of simple, basic exercises, i.e., squats/leg press; bent rows, incline press, curls, skullcrushers, and plenty of rest. "

That has to be the most ludicrous post I've ever seen. I don't even know what to say. May God have mercy on your ignorant soul.

 

[bigdelt69]

wana really see how much you can grow?

try Corn's Old School Training Method for 6 weeks.
Keep the diet, and supps the same.

Other wise good luck.


BTW-post your workout plan by the day.

 

[Spectre]

Wow 6k calories! Good luck on that, it's a chore after awhile but keep it up.

I too think you are on the edge of overtraining, you might want to head over to the training board and ask a few questions. bigdelt69 I think is on the money with corns old school (I think 3 days a week).. You grow when you rest, not in the gym.

 

[Syphonfilter]

"Syphonfilter"Let it never be said that a beginner, which is what you are still, can't make great gains off of simple, basic exercises, i.e., squats/leg press; bent rows, incline press, curls, skullcrushers, and plenty of rest. "

That has to be the most ludicrous post I've ever seen. I don't even know what to say. May God have mercy on your ignorant soul.

Yes, you are absolutely right, I've only been bodybuilding for over half my life, so I know absolutely nothing of which I speak. For shame, I am so sorry to have bothered you with my ignorant post. I should know better that a person who has been training over a year without making any gains should just pack on the exercises until the point that he is in total exhaustion and when that doesn't work, he should keep adding exercises until his workouts last three or more hours. May God have mercy on me for which I know absolutely nothing about. I guess we should just abandon heavy basic exercises altogether.

 

[Dr.M]

I tried 1-Test, it did DICK. I can't remember the brand offhand, and apperantly some of them (alot of them) use low quality shit, thats yet another reason the supp industry as a whole is full of shit IMO. I have tried only a few products that have worked over the years.