My Custom Cycle

[stevesmi]

I think low carb is a great maintenance diet and lifestyle choice but you have an opportunity to pack on a lot of muscle in a short time and you should make the most of the potential to get bigger. I would say try it and see how it works for your first cycle. If you dont like it next time do a cycle with low carbs and see how it works out for YOU. That really is the only way you will ever know.

exactly.. people have to understand as bodybuilders we are holding way more muscle on our frames than we should.

heck I am considered overweight if i was to join the Navy and they were to test me. 5 6 and 185 is overweight, but they also would then test my bf% and I would pass cause I am 13.5%.

also the extra weight (even though its muscle) is gonna put extra strain on the organs. just the way its gonna be.

this is a great sport but you have to be willing to understand it takes a different lifestyle than a bicyclist or endurance athlete. its a different diet and be prepared to buy larger shirts

 

[Tanksloan]

Randy Roach:
"There is much more to carbs, insulin, and anabolism than most think. You do need some carbs but not nearly as much as what is touted out there. They have to be very strategically used. NGA Natural Mr. USA, Josh Trentine, and I have done two radio shows on raw foods and bodybuilding. I believe carb manipulation was discussed on one or both of them. Randy"

Dan John:
"Well, nothing is as simple as we wish it to be. Lyle McDonald would be a better resource but the bottom line is their are no essential carbs. However, carbs are part of what kinds off the hormonal cascade, so carbs are part of what would make muscle building easier. "Less" is almost universally true when discussing carbs."

 

[stevesmi]

^^^k at 6 feet tall and just 160 you would be better served listening to people on this board than some radio guy on how to eat.

you do want to build mass right? if you want to stay skinny then by all means stay away from carbs

 

[Tanksloan]

Radio guy?
Randy Roach is a fucking legend!
Look up the book he wrote, and he's got another coming out later this year.

Trust me I'm willing to eat carbs, I just want to know from a scientific perspective exactly how much a person needs to build maximum muscle. I will eat no more, and no less than that amount.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ bro you cannot go through life looking at things in a macro sense. JUST EAT PERIOD. stop worrying about counting carbs and all that nonsense. leave that to weight watchers. you are too obsessed with being skinny that you cannot grasp the idea that to build muscle you need grocery bags of food, your first post was listing a cycle that is CARB DEPENDENT. ask this roach guy if deca will work with no carbs, see what he says. deca is CARB DEPENDENT, you will not gain a thing aside from water on deca with no carbs period. then you will just lose it all.

i dont understand all the newbs lately that ask for advice lately on here and then when given advice refuse to grasp the concept. its really simple.. your muscles need FUEL and they need glycogen levels restored. also above insulin levels were discussed. the reason you are skinny is cause you are not feeding your body period. its as clear cut as that

you are not gonna accomplish your goals by not eating

 

[Tanksloan]

I'm not here to argue with you, and I appreciate your help, and to me it looks like the difference between you and I are that I realize there are facts out there, and you live and think based on your belief systems.
If you believe something to be true, rather than know it true by using science, than everything you learn will be used to defend that belief.
Belief systems are the root of all ignorance and the cause of all conflict.

What I'm obsessed with is not being skinny, but being as healthy as possible and at the same time building muscle with maximum efficiency, which equates to eating a precise amount of carbs.
This is science, not a guessing game.
The fact is there is one optimal amount of carbs for me to build maximum muscle, and that's what I'm in the process of finding.

-M

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ sounds like bodybuilding isn't a sport for you then and I wouldn't recommend messing with steroids since you are obsessed with being healthy as healthy as possible as you say. steroids will increase bad cholest, decrease good cholesterol, raise bp, raise your RBC count, strain your kidneys, raise your HR.

you cannot have your cake and eat it too, especially with the cycle you want to run involving deca and HGH at just 22 years old when your HGH levels are already sky high and wont even start dropping till 35 or 40. if you want to call me ignorant then that is fine but for someone who is obsessed with science as you say I would think you would have figured out that HGH is wreckless for a 22 year old.
and deca is completely wreckless for a newb who is severely underweight and doesn't eat enough. I strongly advise you take a step back and before you completely screw yourself up and do a lot more research.

those are the facts and I have blood results to document all the above as true. also you did not even mention in your post the most important thing to run with deca which is cabaser which combats prolactin, unless you want bitch tits i strongly advise you to figure out what cabaser is.

i'm actually dealing through PM's with a half dozen guys who ran deca and are now shutdown.. some guys haven't been able to get it up for 3 months, 6months or more.. all because they ran a cycle without understanding what they were doing. some of those guys were guys that were told months prior to NOT run deca as a first cycle, but because their friends ran it they figured they would be fine and chose not to listen. I wish one of them would chime in here and maybe you would listen to them.

 

[Tanksloan]

Again, still not arguing, but if you read the science when it comes to Cholesterol you'd know that there is no 'good' or 'bad' cholesterol.
The mainstream cholesterol dogma has no scientific basis whatsoever.
HDL vs LDL are not even cholesterol, they're protein carrier molecules for cholesterol, which are only useful at indicating what a person might eat.
Plain and simple. Eat all the cholesterol you want. What we know from science is that as long as it's' not oxidized cholesterol, the more the better.

You're right I will not begin a cycle until I'm comfortable with all of the information and understand exactly what's going on.
Thanks to you and everyone else in this thread I've decided to do only test for my first cycle, I think that's really great advice.

Cabaser *Noted!
I've read about the dangers of prolactin, but never heard of Cabaser before.
I'm glad you mentioned that.

 

[stevesmi]

even running test on its own it still will raise bp, raise your RBC count, strain your kidneys, raise your HR. don't think just cause you are running test alone it will not add water weight, IT WILL. and don't think that test does not have side effects, IT DOES. run a panel while in the middle of a test only cycle and then get back to me when you see all your values screwed up.

and your test levels are high at 22. so what is the purpose of introducing test into your body and shutting your own down?

not trying to give you a hard time but trying to understand what you are trying to accomplish here. you still are not gonna grow muscle on the diet you are on even by raising your test levels. i hope you realize that. if you cannot put on muscle off of steroids than how do you expect to put it on during and after steroids?

I would change up your diet and your workout strategy.. dont say in 3 months you will juice.. you should wait till you are close to 200 pounds..that means putting on close to 35-40 pounds of mass, even if it takes 2-3 years. for your height being about 6 feet tall that is a good base weight for steroids. if you do that then it will show that you have your diet and training under control and you will be ready to rock and roll. you've got light years to reach your genetic potential and a lot of upside. don't forget steroids do not help you reach your genetic potential, they hinder it. at 160 pounds and 6 feet you have a long way to go my friend.

will you add SOME fat by adding 35-40 pounds? YES you will. will your blood pressure go up? yep it will. will you have to cut back on cardio? yes. not gonna build mass if you are running 30 miles per week and burning it all away.

 

[Judo Tom]

Im lean I stay lean all the time but when im on or when I am looking to put on muscle I eat enough carbs where I can see fat gain. I dont want to lean up on a bulk cycle. I want to get stronger and fatter. I know that if I am putting on fat I am giving my body plenty of energy to grow all the muscle it can. If I am losing weight or losing fat I am assuming that there is not enough energy to grow as much muscle as I possibly can.

I just feel ba that you are not buying into the fact that it is worth it to add a lot of carbs on cycle. I really think you will regret it. Your first cycle has the potential to be a true life changing experience. If you eat low cal / low carbs you are missing out.

I again would suggest you put some TRUST into all the knowledge that is in the board and for your first cycle eat. Eat lots of carbs and Lots of protein.

Take the advice of all the big dudes on this site who used to be skinny and listen to how they packed on mass. Many of them are really lean now but when they grew they accepted the fact that they had to put on some fat in order to get big.