My current cycle

[BigAndy69]

Currently about to start Week 3

W1-7

1050mg of NPP per week
350mg Boldenone Propionate per week
350mg Test Prop per week
175mg Winny per week

W8-10

525mg Boldenone Propionate per week
350mg Test Prop per week

W11-12

350mg Test Prop per week
350mg Anavar per week

W13-14

350mg Anavar per week

W15-?

PCT

The Prop is enhanced with Arimidex, so I'm also using 0.33mg ED of adex. The Boldenone Propionate hurts but I'm getting use to it.

It's only been 2 weeks, but I have a feeling this could be my best cycle in a LONG time.

 

[Bobber]

Who makes the boldenon prop?

 

[n1tro]

Syrus.

Sounds awesome. What do you think are the benefits of using bold prop rather than winstrol? I found regualr EQ to have similiar effects to winstrol, just not as intense.

 

[slat1]

Wow... thats a lot of AAS.. what are your stats?

 

[Outtlaw]

Wow... thats a lot of AAS.. what are your stats?

If you think that's a lot, you dont want to see what my next cycle is gonna be.

 

[BigAndy69]

Syrus.

Sounds awesome. What do you think are the benefits of using bold prop rather than winstrol? I found regualr EQ to have similiar effects to winstrol, just not as intense.

The bold prop is VERY intense. Much more than regular EQ. It feels like winny but it's not liver toxic Problem is it hurts like a bitch.

350mg a week is really making a difference, this is my first time on this stuff.

I will be doing 150mg EOD(525mg/week) for 3 weeks right after my first 7 weeks.


As far as my stats, I don't like to weigh myself and keep track of Bf too much. I get a little too obsessive about stats.

I'm 5'8-5'9, ~240lbs, under 10% bf

 

[Dial_tone]

I'll be interested to see how it goes, good luck.

 

[Ulter]

It looks great. You should do very well with that.

 

[psychedout]

Looks awesome. I'd do something like that but scaled down the doses.

 

[yomama]

The bold prop is VERY intense. Much more than regular EQ. It feels like winny but it's not liver toxic Problem is it hurts like a bitch.

350mg a week is really making a difference, this is my first time on this stuff.

I will be doing 150mg EOD(525mg/week) for 3 weeks right after my first 7 weeks.


As far as my stats, I don't like to weigh myself and keep track of Bf too much. I get a little too obsessive about stats.

I'm 5'8-5'9, ~240lbs, under 10% bf

5'8 in winter and 5'9 in the summer?

 

[BigAndy69]

5'8 in winter and 5'9 in the summer?

lol, I beleive I'm 5'8 and 3/4 inches

DT, Ulter, psychedout, thanks. I'm excited about this year, I've taken care of my health problems and now I'm ready to look my best. I'm going to be paying great attention to my training and diet and using a generous amount of AS.

 

[BigAndy69]

Update on the current cycle.

I'm up to 255lbs right now.

Started at about 235 lbs. I look leaner than when I started the cycle.

I'm on week 7 right now.

Also, decided to up the dose of Boldenone Prop

Week 8-10

700mg Boldenone Propionate per week
350mg Test Prop per week

My next cycle will be long esters, I'm so sick of ED injections

 

[satchboogie]

keep up the good work bro..
i guess that NPP is no joke!

 

[The Shadow]

Currently about to start Week 3

W1-7

1050mg of NPP per week
350mg Boldenone Propionate per week
350mg Test Prop per week
175mg Winny per week

W8-10

525mg Boldenone Propionate per week
350mg Test Prop per week

W11-12

350mg Test Prop per week
350mg Anavar per week

W13-14

350mg Anavar per week

W15-?

PCT

The Prop is enhanced with Arimidex, so I'm also using 0.33mg ED of adex. The Boldenone Propionate hurts but I'm getting use to it.

It's only been 2 weeks, but I have a feeling this could be my best cycle in a LONG time.

a prop version of EQ?

interesting....

 

[BigAndy69]

Thanks Satch.

The Shadow, be warned, Eq Prop hurts like hell...lol It gets a little better the more you use it but not by much. It takes very little to see results.

 

[alltraps]

good cycle

 

[The Shadow]

Thanks Satch.

The Shadow, be warned, Eq Prop hurts like hell...lol It gets a little better the more you use it but not by much. It takes very little to see results.

yep...any prop will sting.....its structurally, very close to bee venom.

 

[mr.cuts]

The bold prop is VERY intense. Much more than regular EQ. It feels like winny but it's not liver toxic Problem is it hurts like a bitch.

350mg a week is really making a difference, this is my first time on this stuff.

I will be doing 150mg EOD(525mg/week) for 3 weeks right after my first 7 weeks.


As far as my stats, I don't like to weigh myself and keep track of Bf too much. I get a little too obsessive about stats.

I'm 5'8-5'9, ~240lbs, under 10% bf

No offense bro, but do you really think you need all that gear considering your stats? I am 5'10'', 220lbs @9% bodyfat which was measured hydrostaticaly. I have never used over 250mg of test and 200mg of deca per week. I have been using low doses since I started cycling around a year and a half ago and I have seen constant albeit slow progress. You mentioned that you have past health problems as well. Unless you are planning on competing I just don't see the point here. Anyways, good luck with whatever your goals are.

 

[Dial_tone]

No offense bro, but do you really think you need all that gear considering your stats? I am 5'10'', 220lbs @9% bodyfat which was measured hydrostaticaly. I have never used over 250mg of test and 200mg of deca per week. I have been using low doses since I started cycling around a year and a half ago and I have seen constant albeit slow progress. You mentioned that you have past health problems as well. Unless you are planning on competing I just don't see the point here. Anyways, good luck with whatever your goals are.

5'10'', 220lbs is a long way from 5'8", 255 and if anybody here can claim to know what they're doing it's BA69.

 

[mr.cuts]

5'10'', 220lbs is a long way from 5'8", 255 and if anybody here can claim to know what they're doing it's BA69.

I am sure if I started hitting myself with around 2 grams of juice a week I could easily hit 250, skippy. Thanks for the concern though.

 

[theslime]

Maybe there is something I don't quite get or don't know, but isn't the test proportionally really low. Is it related to the health problems you talked about?

 

[DiamondCutCows]

I am sure if I started hitting myself with around 2 grams of juice a week I could easily hit 250, skippy. Thanks for the concern though.

Please dont come around and call out 2 of our BEST members.

Thanks

 

[The Shadow]

I am sure if I started hitting myself with around 2 grams of juice a week I could easily hit 250, skippy. Thanks for the concern though.

LMAO


easy there Doris...dont strain anything

 

[BigAndy69]

No offense bro, but do you really think you need all that gear considering your stats? I am 5'10'', 220lbs @9% bodyfat which was measured hydrostaticaly. I have never used over 250mg of test and 200mg of deca per week. I have been using low doses since I started cycling around a year and a half ago and I have seen constant albeit slow progress. You mentioned that you have past health problems as well. Unless you are planning on competing I just don't see the point here. Anyways, good luck with whatever your goals are.

My health problems have nothing to do with juice, they are a result of breathing problems and sleep apnea. I've been up to 290lbs + (not ripped or anything)

I maintain 220lbs at 9-10% with no gear whatsoever and I'm 1.5 inches shorter than you.

No offense to you, you say you can hit 250 easily off of 2gram of juice, it doesn't work that way. I'm sure you haven't been much large than 220 or so, otherwise you would know what it takes to get really big and ripped, 2grams of gear is just the tip of the iceberg.

It may take you 500mg/week to get from 180 to 210 but it's not a linear equation, it won't take you 1000mg to go from 210 to 240 with the same training/dieting discipline.

"Unless you are planning on competing I just don't see the point here."

And what is the point of competing? It's all for yourself in the end. Not too many BBers compete for the money or exposure. It's not that type of sport.

 

[BigAndy69]

Maybe there is something I don't quite get or don't know, but isn't the test proportionally really low. Is it related to the health problems you talked about?

It has nothing to do with my past health problems, I seem to be in the minority of people who respond terribly to high doses of Test.

I see very few gains and many side effects. I use Test in all my cycles now to maintain my libido when cycling and for all the important functions...

 

[Dial_tone]

It is weird how we percieve ourselves. I was watching Track & Field today and there was a shot putter named Reese Hoffa who was 6'0, 253. He's not real muscular but I'm lookin at him thinking that is one husky mother fucker. Then I say to myself "wait a minute, he's only got 7 lbs on me and i'm 4" shorter.....do I look that big?". I know i'm a bigger than average guy but unless i'm lookin in a mirror I feel like a regular joe.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

I feel skinny even when looking in the mirror. At 5'10 225 I feel very small. Its terrible, I wont even wear a Tee shirt till July...

It is weird how we percieve ourselves. I was watching Track & Field today and there was a shot putter named Reese Hoffa who was 6'0, 253. He's not real muscular but I'm lookin at him thinking that is one husky mother fucker. Then I say to myself "wait a minute, he's only got 7 lbs on me and i'm 4" shorter.....do I look that big?". I know i'm a bigger than average guy but unless i'm lookin in a mirror I feel like a regular joe.

 

[RCB]

It is weird how we percieve ourselves. I was watching Track & Field today and there was a shot putter named Reese Hoffa who was 6'0, 253. He's not real muscular but I'm lookin at him thinking that is one husky mother fucker. Then I say to myself "wait a minute, he's only got 7 lbs on me and i'm 4" shorter.....do I look that big?". I know i'm a bigger than average guy but unless i'm lookin in a mirror I feel like a regular joe.

I feel skinny even when looking in the mirror. At 5'10 225 I feel very small. Its terrible, I wont even wear a Tee shirt till July...

Tell yourself: im big enough, strong enough, and dogg gone it people LIKe me lol.

 

[mr.cuts]

My health problems have nothing to do with juice, they are a result of breathing problems and sleep apnea. I've been up to 290lbs + (not ripped or anything)

I maintain 220lbs at 9-10% with no gear whatsoever and I'm 1.5 inches shorter than you.

No offense to you, you say you can hit 250 easily off of 2gram of juice, it doesn't work that way. I'm sure you haven't been much large than 220 or so, otherwise you would know what it takes to get really big and ripped, 2grams of gear is just the tip of the iceberg.

It may take you 500mg/week to get from 180 to 210 but it's not a linear equation, it won't take you 1000mg to go from 210 to 240 with the same training/dieting discipline.

"Unless you are planning on competing I just don't see the point here."

And what is the point of competing? It's all for yourself in the end. Not too many BBers compete for the money or exposure. It's not that type of sport.

Listen, I know what is takes to get big and ripped. However, my health is more important to me than packing on 25lbs in 4 weeks. Which is what you are claiming you have done within the past month. I am sure that 25lbs is going to help your sleep apnea. Have you thought about this???

 

[mr.cuts]

Also, keep in mind that sleep apnea is nothing to mess around with. This is what caused Reggie White's massive heart attack, by the way.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Nice cycle...good luck...( and the dosages are no way over the top)

 

[BigAndy69]

Listen, I know what is takes to get big and ripped. However, my health is more important to me than packing on 25lbs in 4 weeks. Which is what you are claiming you have done within the past month. I am sure that 25lbs is going to help your sleep apnea. Have you thought about this???

Actually, it's more like 20lbs in 7 weeks.

And to answer your question, adding weight doesn't help my sleep apnea. Keep in mind that I was over 290lbs for a while and still going out and partying at the time. Not anymore, I've gotten everything under control. I've chosen to look my best this year before going back to a more sane size.

I've been plagued with personal problems as well as health problems the last 2-3 years, and I've been itching to see how freaky I can get.

That's why most of us use steroids anyway. Hardcore bodybuilding...seems like many are turning away from this and pointing there fingers at those who chose to pursue it.

Saying you only need 500mg of juice and I need 2000mg to see gains is hypocritical. We are all juicers. If you can achieve your goals at 500mg, good for you. It doesn't make you a better man.

Most of these guys who are using 200-300mg/weekly or whatever, shouldn't be using juice in the first place.

I knew a guy who grew on 100mg of Deca a week. He gained 15lbs on his cycle. Fact is, he shouldn't have been juicing in the first place.

 

[black sheep]

Actually, it's more like 20lbs in 7 weeks.

And to answer your question, adding weight doesn't help my sleep apnea. Keep in mind that I was over 290lbs for a while and still going out and partying at the time. Not anymore, I've gotten everything under control. I've chosen to look my best this year before going back to a more sane size.

I've been plagued with personal problems as well as health problems the last 2-3 years, and I've been itching to see how freaky I can get.

That's why most of us use steroids anyway. Hardcore bodybuilding...seems like many are turning away from this and pointing there fingers at those who chose to pursue it.

Saying you only need 500mg of juice and I need 2000mg to see gains is hypocritical. We are all juicers. If you can achieve your goals at 500mg, good for you. It doesn't make you a better man.

Most of these guys who are using 200-300mg/weekly or whatever, shouldn't be using juice in the first place.

I knew a guy who grew on 100mg of Deca a week. He gained 15lbs on his cycle. Fact is, he shouldn't have been juicing in the first place.

Nice cycle Andy! Great Results too.

You sold me on NPP and I picked some up. I pm'ed you my cycle plan, as I don't want to Hijack your thread.

How were the sides from the Bold. Prop?

 

[BigAndy69]

Hey bro, I didn't receive your pm nad I did not get an email.

Bold prop is not for beginners, that's all I can say. Very painful but if you can handle it it is amazing. I don't know why it is so strong. I did get some flu like symptoms but they subsided. If you want to post your cycle plan here, go ahead.

 

[mr.cuts]

Actually, it's more like 20lbs in 7 weeks.

And to answer your question, adding weight doesn't help my sleep apnea. Keep in mind that I was over 290lbs for a while and still going out and partying at the time. Not anymore, I've gotten everything under control. I've chosen to look my best this year before going back to a more sane size.

I've been plagued with personal problems as well as health problems the last 2-3 years, and I've been itching to see how freaky I can get.

That's why most of us use steroids anyway. Hardcore bodybuilding...seems like many are turning away from this and pointing there fingers at those who chose to pursue it.

Saying you only need 500mg of juice and I need 2000mg to see gains is hypocritical. We are all juicers. If you can achieve your goals at 500mg, good for you. It doesn't make you a better man.

Most of these guys who are using 200-300mg/weekly or whatever, shouldn't be using juice in the first place.

I knew a guy who grew on 100mg of Deca a week. He gained 15lbs on his cycle. Fact is, he shouldn't have been juicing in the first place.

Saying guys that use 200-300mg per week shouldn't even be juicing makes absolutely no sense. If I can make steady gains on 250mg of test per week why should I increase that dose??? It seems like you have a attitude that says if you are not going to juice with heavy doses then don't bother at all. Keep in mind that 250mg of test per week is significantly higher than what anyone can produce naturally. I am 26 years old and am in no rush to pack on the mass. I am pretty happy with the 220lbs that I currently carry, which I achieved through hard training, proper diet, and low doses of gear.

Bodybuilding should be approached in the terms of a marathon rather than an all out sprint. It's almost always the guys who rely on gear as the focal point compared to diet and training, and their gear use almost always consists of high doses. These guys usually burn out. They are the ones that get into rec drugs, etc. Remember, Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[gimp]

the doses seem okay to me, not crazy at all. I tend to use simple cycles, deca and test for size...winny and tren to diet. it seems the further I go in training the less sauce I need .

 

[BigAndy69]

Saying guys that use 200-300mg per week shouldn't even be juicing makes absolutely no sense. If I can make steady gains on 250mg of test per week why should I increase that dose??? It seems like you have a attitude that says if you are not going to juice with heavy doses then don't bother at all. Keep in mind that 250mg of test per week is significantly higher than what anyone can produce naturally. I am 26 years old and am in no rush to pack on the mass. I am pretty happy with the 220lbs that I currently carry, which I achieved through hard training, proper diet, and low doses of gear.

Bodybuilding should be approached in the terms of a marathon rather than an all out sprint. It's almost always the guys who rely on gear as the focal point compared to diet and training, and their gear use almost always consists of high doses. These guys usually burn out. They are the ones that get into rec drugs, etc. Remember, Rome wasn't built in a day.

The fact is steroids are illegal to use in many countries and especially the US.

If you live in the US and use steroids you are taking a big risk, it can end up costing you everything you have. Why take a chance if you are trying to add a few lbs of muscle with the help of 200-300mg of AS weekly.

It's not worth it. Most of us use steroids to achieve a look that we cannot achieve naturally. If you are just looking for a slight edge, the type of edge 200-300mg can give you, then you are better off staying natural instead of breaking the law and upsetting your natural hormone levels.

 

[mr.cuts]

The fact is steroids are illegal to use in many countries and especially the US.

If you live in the US and use steroids you are taking a big risk, it can end up costing you everything you have. Why take a chance if you are trying to add a few lbs of muscle with the help of 200-300mg of AS weekly.

It's not worth it. Most of us use steroids to achieve a look that we cannot achieve naturally. If you are just looking for a slight edge, the type of edge 200-300mg can give you, then you are better off staying natural instead of breaking the law and upsetting your natural hormone levels.

No offense, but that is a very weak argument you are proposing.

 

[The_Chemist]

Sounds good....hope to see some new pics at the end. I think the last ones we saw were the Pop Tart/car wash pics. LOL

I keep hearing about Bold Prop being structurally the same as bee venom, and thats why it hurts. Any truth to this, or is this just a stupid rumor thats being regurgitated around here???

 

[BigAndy69]

Sounds good....hope to see some new pics at the end. I think the last ones we saw were the Pop Tart/car wash pics. LOL

I keep hearing about Bold Prop being structurally the same as bee venom, and thats why it hurts. Any truth to this, or is this just a stupid rumor thats being regurgitated around here???

I don't know about the bee venom comparaison but I can tell you it hurts more than any prop I've ever used. Nathan(board member here) used the Bold prop and he said it was painful but not as painful as QV prop.

 

[SPORT SCIENTIST]

Saying you only need 500mg of juice and I need 2000mg to see gains is hypocritical. We are all juicers. If you can achieve your goals at 500mg, good for you. It doesn't make you a better man.

Most of these guys who are using 200-300mg/weekly or whatever, shouldn't be using juice in the first place.

I knew a guy who grew on 100mg of Deca a week. He gained 15lbs on his cycle. Fact is, he shouldn't have been juicing in the first place.

No offence, because from your posts you seem very knowledgeable about steroids (much more than myself)- but I can't see the logic in your arguement.
Personal observation: If someone gets good results with a low doseage, and doesn't want to risk their health by using more juice that's up to them - and probably very sensible. - I just finished a cycle with just over a gram per week - its up to the individual how they want to abuse steroids (and lets face it, we're all abusing them, only to differing degrees according to the values we place on risks and rewards)

Additionally, it's your own choice to use 2g/week, and it is only you that carries the burden of health risks.I am sure that you would never recomend such an advanced cycle to anyone else, unless they were equally hardcore!
Likewise, no one should criticise you for your drug use, unless it is insane and suicidal ,in which case it would be for your own benefit. We really don't know what it's like to walk in your shoes. Its up to the individual how much they use. Who cares, as long as they're happy, know what they're doing, and are aware of the risks

Good luck, are you competing? and where?

 

[BigAndy69]

No offence, because from your posts you seem very knowledgeable about steroids (much more than myself)- but I can't see the logic in your arguement.
Personal observation: If someone gets good results with a low doseage, and doesn't want to risk their health by using more juice that's up to them - and probably very sensible. - I just finished a cycle with just over a gram per week - its up to the individual how they want to abuse steroids (and lets face it, we're all abusing them, only to differing degrees according to the values we place on risks and rewards)

Additionally, it's your own choice to use 2g/week, and it is only you that carries the burden of health risks.I am sure that you would never recomend such an advanced cycle to anyone else, unless they were equally hardcore!
Likewise, no one should criticise you for your drug use, unless it is insane and suicidal ,in which case it would be for your own benefit. We really don't know what it's like to walk in your shoes. Its up to the individual how much they use. Who cares, as long as they're happy, know what they're doing, and are aware of the risks

Good luck, are you competing? and where?

You are confusing some things here.

I'm actually an advocate using as little juice as possible and relying on diet, training and lifestyle.

You say you used 1gram+, that's fine. It's not excessive.

BUT, and here's my point; if you grow well on 200mg of Test a week, you are likely not at the level where you should be using steroids in the first place. You probably have a lot of natural growing left.

Give an advanced natural weight trainer (say 7 years + of hard training) 200mg of Test and see how well he gains. Chances are he would not see results that would justify him breaking the law and upsetting his natural hormone balance. The gains would not be significant and he would end up hurting himself with little or nothing to show for it.

And 2000mg is the most I've ever used in all my years.

Btw, I don't compete.

 

[hammercurls]

leave ba69 alone guys, you guys sound like anti steroid activists...he is a vet and knows the pro's and cons in this game..so back off

 

[needsize]

As much I tend to disagree with BA just on principle, he has some good points here. No one ever built the physique of an impressive competitive bodybuilder on a few hundred mgs a week, anyone who says they have are lying about their doses or bullshitting about their physique. And his doses are actually very mild.

And Mr Cuts, there is a world of difference between your 220 and 250+lbs. And the fact that you say if you used those doses then you could get that big easily, i call huge bullshit on that. I am 5'8", and was basically the same size as you after just one cycle, but do you have any idea what I have had to go through to get to the 260lb range....unless you have done it then trust me, you have no idea!

I completely agree about anyone growing off 200mg a week probably shouldnt be juicing in the first place.....if you grow off that, then you were no where near your natural genetic limit, so should have taken the time to actually train for a while before hitting the juice....And unfortunately that is a reflection of at least 90% of the people on these boards, I see pics of guys posting"I'm about to start my third cycle, what should I do", and they look like they have never even walked past a gym before, never mind trained in one. I would love to see people post up pics of what they looked like just before their first cycle, I bet maybe 1 out of 100 actually looks like they should even be thinking about juice

 

[hammercurls]

tell em like it is!! wanksters need to be put in check, especially elitefintess wanksters

 

[mr.cuts]

As much I tend to disagree with BA just on principle, he has some good points here. No one ever built the physique of an impressive competitive bodybuilder on a few hundred mgs a week, anyone who says they have are lying about their doses or bullshitting about their physique. And his doses are actually very mild.

And Mr Cuts, there is a world of difference between your 220 and 250+lbs. And the fact that you say if you used those doses then you could get that big easily, i call huge bullshit on that. I am 5'8", and was basically the same size as you after just one cycle, but do you have any idea what I have had to go through to get to the 260lb range....unless you have done it then trust me, you have no idea!

I completely agree about anyone growing off 200mg a week probably shouldnt be juicing in the first place.....if you grow off that, then you were no where near your natural genetic limit, so should have taken the time to actually train for a while before hitting the juice....And unfortunately that is a reflection of at least 90% of the people on these boards, I see pics of guys posting"I'm about to start my third cycle, what should I do", and they look like they have never even walked past a gym before, never mind trained in one. I would love to see people post up pics of what they looked like just before their first cycle, I bet maybe 1 out of 100 actually looks like they should even be thinking about juice

LOL! By the way, I have been training since I was 15 years old! Granted most of my training was specific for hockey, however I always hit the weights hard. And no offense buddy, but if that is you in your avatar pic, I am not too impressed.

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

"
LOL! By the way, I have been training since I was 15 years old! Granted most of my training was specific for hockey, however I always hit the weights hard. And no offense buddy, but if that is you in your avatar pic, I am not too impressed."

What's with all the hate? Geez dude...

BA... thanks for the tips, concerns, and advice... props on the new cycle... sounds like it's comin' along great...

Needsize... I don't remember if you remember me from back when... but you've helped me a lot with your training posts...

Thanks everyone! FUCK I'm happy today!!

 

[ace13]

LOL! By the way, I have been training since I was 15 years old! Granted most of my training was specific for hockey, however I always hit the weights hard. And no offense buddy, but if that is you in your avatar pic, I am not too impressed.

Say what?? Not....too....impressed? I hope that was sarcasm.

 

[champion]

LOL...@the route this thread took..........GOOD WORK BA!

 

[SPORT SCIENTIST]

I must be missing something here. If you did, say 300mg of test as a cycle having naturally got to a freakish weight, surely this is going to make you grow? This produces far more test than is naturally found in the bloodstream.-surely this would be far more effective than any supplement that a natural bodybuilder could ever take?
I really am no expert, as I have only done 2 cycles (my expertise lies in nutrition and exercise physiology), but the reason for me starting steroids, was that I lost 35.5lbs! During my wife's pregnancy, I quit training, eat crappily and had lots of stress (run 2 jobs) associated with the upcoming birth of my beatiful son -I went from a natural 220lb to 185lb! - had to do something about it when I had time (depressing to be that small) - anyway, I had an amazing response of gear. My first cycle was 30mg of dbol/day - gained 22lbs, with my second cycle being 250sust e3d and 200 decca e3d (with 30mg dbol weeks 1-4) - probably a bit excessive for a second cycle, but gained another 28lbs! (these gains were way beyond any expectations I had) - I'm now 235lb with 16% bf - happy! (won't do a dose of gear higher than this)
I'm sure that if I did a low dose cycle when I was 220lb naturally (5 10"), I would have grown.

In no way was I having a go at big Andy, and I'm certainly not a juice Nazi!good luck to him (I'm new here, but everyone holds Big A in very high respect,so there must be a reason for that). Anyone can use as much or as little as they like, its up to them - this is just my opinion.

 

[canadianhitman]

And no offense buddy, but if that is you in your avatar pic, I am not too impressed.

If that's not a 'post up or shut up' situation, then I don't know what is.

 

[needsize]

If that's not a 'post up or shut up' situation, then I don't know what is.

exactly, okay mr cuts, looks like you have called me out, so lets see a pic of you then, so we can see whats impressive....I'm not expecting a whole lot though, 220 at 5'10" and you think you're big.....If you have been training since you were 15(me as well by the way), how is it that I easily matched the size you are, by the end of my first cycle???

 

[DaveTSI]

I must be missing something here. If you did, say 300mg of test as a cycle having naturally got to a freakish weight, surely this is going to make you grow? This produces far more test than is naturally found in the bloodstream.-surely this would be far more effective than any supplement that a natural bodybuilder could ever take?
I really am no expert, as I have only done 2 cycles (my expertise lies in nutrition and exercise physiology), but the reason for me starting steroids, was that I lost 35.5lbs! During my wife's pregnancy, I quit training, eat crappily and had lots of stress (run 2 jobs) associated with the upcoming birth of my beatiful son -I went from a natural 220lb to 185lb! - had to do something about it when I had time (depressing to be that small) - anyway, I had an amazing response of gear. My first cycle was 30mg of dbol/day - gained 22lbs, with my second cycle being 250sust e3d and 200 decca e3d (with 30mg dbol weeks 1-4) - probably a bit excessive for a second cycle, but gained another 28lbs! (these gains were way beyond any expectations I had) - I'm now 235lb with 16% bf - happy! (won't do a dose of gear higher than this)
I'm sure that if I did a low dose cycle when I was 220lb naturally (5 10"), I would have grown.

In no way was I having a go at big Andy, and I'm certainly not a juice Nazi!good luck to him (I'm new here, but everyone holds Big A in very high respect,so there must be a reason for that). Anyone can use as much or as little as they like, its up to them - this is just my opinion.

your gains were because of muscle memory, if you had train naturally for 6-8 months you probably could have gained all that u lost right back. Adding a low dose of aas into the mix would only speed up your return to your previous size. Now that you are back to where you were before your sons birth (or a little bigger), i guarantee you you wouldnt gain much more than 5 keepable lbs, if that, on the same dose.


mr.cuts post some pics if your going to talk shit to a bro like needsize.

 

[The Shadow]

Im beginning to think Mr. Cuts need to be in time-out for a while since he insists on talking shit.

 

[patsfan1379]

hey!!! post pics or STFU.

 

[needsize]

I dont see him posting any pics, just another internet tough guy, who is huge behind his keyboard, but nothing to back it up! Funny thing is I didnt even say anything insulting, just that if you havent been to 250+lbs, then you dont know what its like to get there, and he comes back with an insult

 

[patsfan1379]

I dont see him posting any pics, just another internet tough guy, who is huge behind his keyboard, but nothing to back it up! Funny thing is I didnt even say anything insulting, just that if you havent been to 250+lbs, then you dont know what its like to get there, and he comes back with an insult

yes, it was VERY JerseyArt of him...

 

[NJRipped]

I think Mr.Cuts posted a link a while back - bros were making funny of his fanny pack. A Plat member could find it.

I dont see him posting any pics, just another internet tough guy, who is huge behind his keyboard, but nothing to back it up! Funny thing is I didnt even say anything insulting, just that if you havent been to 250+lbs, then you dont know what its like to get there, and he comes back with an insult

 

[patsfan1379]

I think Mr.Cuts posted a link a while back - bros were making funny of his fanny pack. A Plat member could find it.

i shall check... brb...

 

[sweed]

hey!!! post pics or STFU.

Agreed... it takes 2 minutes unless you "don't have a digi camera"

ill be posting my before and after pics after my first cycle june / julyish
but i do have a few in the gallery from about a year and a half ago when i was smaller..

BA- great cycle, and good luck

 

[patsfan1379]

im sorry guys, I couldnt find the link... I'll keep checking though!!!

 

[The_Chemist]

LOL! By the way, I have been training since I was 15 years old! Granted most of my training was specific for hockey, however I always hit the weights hard. And no offense buddy, but if that is you in your avatar pic, I am not too impressed.

wow....you must have a seriously imppressive physique to call out a competetive BB. So lets see your superb pics!

 

[mr.cuts]

wow....you must have a seriously imppressive physique to call out a competetive BB. So lets see your superb pics!

Listen, Needsize has more mass than me, no question. However, mass isn't everything in terms of achieving a impressive build. Needsize probably thinks a guy like Frank Zane in his prime wouldn't be shit compared to him. Frank Zane was in his peak condition at 185lbs at 5'9''. All Needsize would think is that he dwarfs the guy because he outweighs him by 65lbs! Needsize, do you think that your build is superior to Frank Zanes???

 

[mr.cuts]

Also, Bigandy69 correlated hardcore bodybuilding with high dose cycles. He basically stated that if you are using 200-300mg of gear per week you are not a hardcore bodybuilder. Why don't you tell that to guys like Bill Pearl, Larry Scott, Zane,etc. These guys were known to use very low dosages. In my opinion hardcore bodybuilding has more to do with how you train and diet than how much gear you can stick in your ass.

 

[The Shadow]

Listen, Needsize has more mass than me, no question. However, mass isn't everything in terms of achieving a impressive build. Needsize probably thinks a guy like Frank Zane in his prime wouldn't be shit compared to him. Frank Zane was in his peak condition at 185lbs at 5'9''. All Needsize would think is that he dwarfs the guy because he outweighs him by 65lbs! Needsize, do you think that your build is superior to Frank Zanes???

here ya go:

 

[mr.cuts]

here ya go:

Why don't you get needsize's and bigandy's cocks out of your mouth and make a post that somehow contributes to this thread???

 

[DaveTSI]

LOL! By the way, I have been training since I was 15 years old! Granted most of my training was specific for hockey, however I always hit the weights hard. And no offense buddy, but if that is you in your avatar pic, I am not too impressed.

this really contributed to this board. post some pics frank

 

[The Shadow]

Why don't you get needsize's and bigandy's cocks out of your mouth and make a post that somehow contributes to this thread???

You come on here like some Internet Gear Guru and get into a pissing contest with someone like Needsize??


Go re-read your fucking post Ass Nozzle:



Listen, Needsize has more mass than me, no question. However, mass isn't everything in terms of achieving a impressive build. Needsize probably thinks a guy like Frank Zane in his prime wouldn't be shit compared to him. Frank Zane was in his peak condition at 185lbs at 5'9''. All Needsize would think is that he dwarfs the guy because he outweighs him by 65lbs! Needsize, do you think that your build is superior to Frank Zanes???






^^^That contributes in what way to this particular discussion??


You have two choices:


1 - Chill the fuck out.

2 - I make you.


Say another word and see how fast it happens.

 

[Themachine01]

Getting back to the point of this thread, Im really interested to see how this cycle turns out, make sure you keep us updated BA.

 

[The Shadow]

Exaclty..Im very interested in the Prop ester on the Eq

 

[DaveTSI]

who has experience with eq prop? id like to use it in a cycle but im scared of the pain everyone talks about. how is it? what does it compare to?

 

[mr.cuts]

You come on here like some Internet Gear Guru and get into a pissing contest with someone like Needsize??


Go re-read your fucking post Ass Nozzle:



Listen, Needsize has more mass than me, no question. However, mass isn't everything in terms of achieving a impressive build. Needsize probably thinks a guy like Frank Zane in his prime wouldn't be shit compared to him. Frank Zane was in his peak condition at 185lbs at 5'9''. All Needsize would think is that he dwarfs the guy because he outweighs him by 65lbs! Needsize, do you think that your build is superior to Frank Zanes???






^^^That contributes in what way to this particular discussion??


You have two choices:


1 - Chill the fuck out.

2 - I make you.


Say another word and see how fast it happens.

Ok Skippy, no problem! I can see that your position as a mod on a internet message board has clearly gotten to your head. I guess we should all bow down to you.

 

[needsize]

Listen, Needsize has more mass than me, no question. However, mass isn't everything in terms of achieving a impressive build. Needsize probably thinks a guy like Frank Zane in his prime wouldn't be shit compared to him. Frank Zane was in his peak condition at 185lbs at 5'9''. All Needsize would think is that he dwarfs the guy because he outweighs him by 65lbs! Needsize, do you think that your build is superior to Frank Zanes???

you're really not very bright are you, I have never made a post anywhere at any time saying anything close to that. Bodybuilding isnt just about mass, its about symmetry and balance as well, and thats where my effort goes. And we arent talking about zane or anyone else here, we are talking about you and me, since its me you seem to have the problem with. So mass aside, lets see your pics that shows this great symmetry of yours. But we wont see any pics, like I said before, because you are an internet nobody, quick to get into it with others, but nothing physically to back up your mouth. If you can post pics that show you leaner than me, or with better symmetry, then I will be your EF bitch, but until you so, every post you make just proves that you are mine!!!

 

[patsfan1379]

you're really not very bright are you, I have never made a post anywhere at any time saying anything close to that. Bodybuilding isnt just about mass, its about symmetry and balance as well, and thats where my effort goes. And we arent talking about zane or anyone else here, we are talking about you and me, since its me you seem to have the problem with. So mass aside, lets see your pics that shows this great symmetry of yours. But we wont see any pics, like I said before, because you are an internet nobody, quick to get into it with others, but nothing physically to back up your mouth. If you can post pics that show you leaner than me, or with better symmetry, then I will be your EF bitch, but until you so, every post you make just proves that you are mine!!!

and the pwnage of the day award goes to needsize...

 

[BigAndy69]

I must be missing something here. If you did, say 300mg of test as a cycle having naturally got to a freakish weight, surely this is going to make you grow? This produces far more test than is naturally found in the bloodstream.-surely this would be far more effective than any supplement that a natural bodybuilder could ever take?
I really am no expert, as I have only done 2 cycles (my expertise lies in nutrition and exercise physiology), but the reason for me starting steroids, was that I lost 35.5lbs! During my wife's pregnancy, I quit training, eat crappily and had lots of stress (run 2 jobs) associated with the upcoming birth of my beatiful son -I went from a natural 220lb to 185lb! - had to do something about it when I had time (depressing to be that small) - anyway, I had an amazing response of gear. My first cycle was 30mg of dbol/day - gained 22lbs, with my second cycle being 250sust e3d and 200 decca e3d (with 30mg dbol weeks 1-4) - probably a bit excessive for a second cycle, but gained another 28lbs! (these gains were way beyond any expectations I had) - I'm now 235lb with 16% bf - happy! (won't do a dose of gear higher than this)
I'm sure that if I did a low dose cycle when I was 220lb naturally (5 10"), I would have grown.

In no way was I having a go at big Andy, and I'm certainly not a juice Nazi!good luck to him (I'm new here, but everyone holds Big A in very high respect,so there must be a reason for that). Anyone can use as much or as little as they like, its up to them - this is just my opinion.

I mean no disrespect to you, you seem to be genuine, but here is my response.

Your second cycle actually comes out to about 1260mg weekly. This is your second cycle. I can't remember my second cycle.

You are also using a fairly high dose of Test.

Also, you are using VERY long esters. How does this matter? Well for one, long esters AS like Sust and deca build up in your system for weeks. They are technically meant for injection every 2-4 weeks. Basically, the drug levels build up fast.

With short esters, there's a very small build up. So what you are shooting is what you are getting more or less.

Did you know that at 500mg of Deca can build up to 1300mg/week after a few weeks? Sust is about the same.

So, you cannot compare mg for mg short esters to long esters (especially Sustanon and Deca)

"300mg of test as a cycle having naturally got to a freakish weight, surely this is going to make you grow? "

The answer is NO. Plain and simple. I use to think the same way but the answer is no. It might give him minor gains, but it would not be worth the side effects.

 

[BigAndy69]

Also, Bigandy69 correlated hardcore bodybuilding with high dose cycles. He basically stated that if you are using 200-300mg of gear per week you are not a hardcore bodybuilder. Why don't you tell that to guys like Bill Pearl, Larry Scott, Zane,etc. These guys were known to use very low dosages. In my opinion hardcore bodybuilding has more to do with how you train and diet than how much gear you can stick in your ass.

How the fuck do you know what these guys were using? Where they honest with themselves and others? Also, why are you comparing average lifters to genetic freaks like these guys?

No I don't correlate hardcore bodybuilding with high doses.

I'm sick of seeing these punk ass little wannabes who take steroids to gain a few lbs or look a little better. Why are they using juice in the first place? They could achieve the same with natural training/dedication. Instead, these little punks(such as yourself btw) use these ridiculous small amounts of steroids because they are affraid to get too big. Why are they using steroids if they are affraid to get big? The answer is simple, they are just looking for an easy way out. A way to gain a few lbs so they can look good at the club for a couple of months and then they go back to not training.

When they decide to get back to training, they lift for a week or so and add a ml of deca or sust a week.

Worst of all, these little punks actually look down on bbers who use steroids the way they should be used: to look exceptional, out of this world, freakish...not to gain a few lbs.

 

[mr.cuts]

How the fuck do you know what these guys were using? Where they honest with themselves and others? Also, why are you comparing average lifters to genetic freaks like these guys?

No I don't correlate hardcore bodybuilding with high doses.

I'm sick of seeing these punk ass little wannabes who take steroids to gain a few lbs or look a little better. Why are they using juice in the first place? They could achieve the same with natural training/dedication. Instead, these little punks(such as yourself btw) use these ridiculous small amounts of steroids because they are affraid to get too big. Why are they using steroids if they are affraid to get big? The answer is simple, they are just looking for an easy way out. A way to gain a few lbs so they can look good at the club for a couple of months and then they go back to not training.

When they decide to get back to training, they lift for a week or so and add a ml of deca or sust a week.

Worst of all, these little punks actually look down on bbers who use steroids the way they should be used: to look exceptional, out of this world, freakish...not to gain a few lbs.

You do know that you just totally contradicted yourself in regards to your post in response to sportscientist. You indicated that long esters build up over time. Using your example of 400mg of deca per week could result in having blood levels of 1300mg, weeks down the line. Wouldn't this be the same for using 250-300mg of long acting test per week??? According to your theory, by using 250mg of long acting test per week, blood levels could show a much higher reading as time goes by. For example, 10 weeks into a 250mg test per week cycle, could produce a blood concentration 2-3 times the weekly dose. Do you really think that you can compare someone who uses 250mg of test per week to a natural athlete? Your argument regarding someone who uses low doses might as well be natural, makes absolutely no sense!

 

[The Shadow]

. You indicated that long esters build up over time. Using your example of 400mg of deca per week could result in having blood levels of 1300mg, weeks down the line. Wouldn't this be the same for using 250-300mg of long acting test per week???

......that is EXACTLY what he stated using Sustanon as the example:

Also, you are using VERY long esters. How does this matter? Well for one, long esters AS like Sust and deca build up in your system for weeks. They are technically meant for injection every 2-4 weeks. Basically, the drug levels build up fast.

Try READING the post before you comment on it.


Idiot.

 

[mr.cuts]

How the fuck do you know what these guys were using? Where they honest with themselves and others? Also, why are you comparing average lifters to genetic freaks like these guys?

No I don't correlate hardcore bodybuilding with high doses.

I'm sick of seeing these punk ass little wannabes who take steroids to gain a few lbs or look a little better. Why are they using juice in the first place? They could achieve the same with natural training/dedication. Instead, these little punks(such as yourself btw) use these ridiculous small amounts of steroids because they are affraid to get too big. Why are they using steroids if they are affraid to get big? The answer is simple, they are just looking for an easy way out. A way to gain a few lbs so they can look good at the club for a couple of months and then they go back to not training.

When they decide to get back to training, they lift for a week or so and add a ml of deca or sust a week.

Worst of all, these little punks actually look down on bbers who use steroids the way they should be used: to look exceptional, out of this world, freakish...not to gain a few lbs.

This coming from a guy who admitted that he blew up to a fat and bloated 290lbs at 5'8'', due to the fact that he quit training in order to focus on partying hard!

 

[mr.cuts]

......that is EXACTLY what he stated using Sustanon as the example.


Try READING the post before you comment on it.


Idiot.

So, you are saying that test enanthate doesn't lead to increase blood levels over time?? This is only specific to sust?!? LOL!

 

[BigAndy69]

You do know that you just totally contradicted yourself in regards to your post in response to sportscientist. You indicated that long esters build up over time. Using your example of 400mg of deca per week could result in having blood levels of 1300mg, weeks down the line. Wouldn't this be the same for using 250-300mg of long acting test per week??? According to your theory, by using 250mg of long acting test per week, blood levels could show a much higher reading as time goes by. For example, 10 weeks into a 250mg test per week cycle, could produce a blood concentration 2-3 times the weekly dose. Do you really think that you can compare someone who uses 250mg of test per week to a natural athlete? Your argument regarding someone who uses low doses might as well be natural, makes absolutely no sense!

Your numbers are way off actually, you should look them over.

I was comparing short esters vs long esters.

 

[mr.cuts]

Your numbers are way off actually, you should look them over.

I was comparing short esters vs long esters.

Please explain to me how my numbers are way off?

 

[patsfan1379]

So, you are saying that test enanthate doesn't lead to increase blood levels over time?? This is only specific to sust?!? LOL!

it was an example dude, he never said Sust only... You are putting words in his mouth...

 

[The Shadow]

So, you are saying that test enanthate doesn't lead to increase blood levels over time?? This is only specific to sust?!? LOL!

what in the blue hell are you babling about????


He specifically names ONE type of test as an example....

he didnt name enan or cyp.......does that mean that they dont apply?

NO.




You simply:

1 - Mis read the post

2 - Dont know enough to know that Sus HAS long acting esters in it.

 

[BigAndy69]

This coming from a guy who admitted that he blew up to a fat and bloated 290lbs at 5'8'', due to the fact that he quit training in order to focus on partying hard!

Somebody very close to me past away tragically, you piece of shit! You should learn how to read, "personal problems".

 

[mr.cuts]

it was an example dude, he never said Sust only... You are putting words in his mouth...

Your right. Sorry, I thought he was indicating that enanthate would not produce the build up effects that bigandy was referring to. my bad.

 

[patsfan1379]

Your right. Sorry, I thought he was indicating that enanthate would not produce the build up effects that bigandy was referring to. my bad.

dude, dont apologize to me, or them... if you are going to come at a vet poster with aggressive opinions be prepared for a deep and experienced backlash...

 

[mr.cuts]

Somebody very close to me past away tragically, you piece of shit! You should learn how to read, "personal problems".

Listen, I am sorry to hear that, but I don't like the fact that you called me a "little punk ass wannabe". I have been training for many years and I prefer to use low doses. It seems like you have a problem with guys that take a sane approach to gear use.

 

[The Shadow]

It seems like you have a problem with guys that take a sane approach to gear use.

And you have "seem" to Little Man's Syndrome and you "seem" to twist simple statements in an attempt to justify your comments.


It also "seems" obvious from the last couple of posts that you didnt even read his Sustanon comment, much less understand it.

 

[mr.cuts]

And you have Little Man's Syndrome and you seem to want to twist simple statements in an attempt to justify your comments.


Its obvious from the last couple of posts that you didnt even read his Sustanon comment, much less understand it.

220lbs at 5'10'' is "little mans syndrome"! LOL! Let's hear your stats you dysmorphic piece of shit.

 

[The Shadow]

220lbs at 5'10'' is "little mans syndrome"! LOL! Let's hear your stats you dysmorphic piece of shit.

its not about the weight...its about the attitude.


"dysmorphic" - WOW


Tri-syllabic word.



NICE

 

[UA_Iron]

I like how this guy backs up his bullshit with pics

 

[The_Chemist]

This coming from a guy who admitted that he blew up to a fat and bloated 290lbs at 5'8'', due to the fact that he quit training in order to focus on partying hard!

Nelson?? Is that you? I was wondering were you have been! LOL

 

[DaveTSI]

^ lol

 

[patsfan1379]

black in 24 hours...

the bomb squad guarantees it.

 

[trinidad]

Andy, on your recommendation I began a prop/NPP cycle but wasn't quite sure how to run the NPP so you had suggested 200 e3d would be fine. Well since I'm running prop at 100 mgs eod I decided to shoot 100 mgs. NPP eod along with it. Think it's better that way or should I shoot the NPP e3d?

 

[The Shadow]

Andy, on your recommendation I began a prop/NPP cycle but wasn't quite sure how to run the NPP so you had suggested 200 e3d would be fine. Well since I'm running prop at 100 mgs eod I decided to shoot 100 mgs. NPP eod along with it. Think it's better that way or should I shoot the NPP e3d?

the EOD will give consistent blood results...since you are shooting more freq with the prop anyway EOD is fine

 

[trinidad]

the EOD will give consistent blood results...since you are shooting more freq with the prop anyway EOD is fine

Thanks for the reply Shadow. This is my first experience with NPP.

 

[needsize]

oh mrs cuts, I'm still waiting here, you take some shots at me, so I ask for some pics to back up your mouth, but since you cant produce anything of the sort, you just choose to ignore me....you really shouldnt be calling people out if you cant back yourself up

 

[halfaclue]

Big andy serious question bro...I was using 466mg of NPP ew with 600mg enthate...not much of anything for results...bumped the npp to 700mg a week and again not much. Is it possible to get no benefits from a drug or is it more likely my source sucks?