My current cycle

[SPORT SCIENTIST]

Saying you only need 500mg of juice and I need 2000mg to see gains is hypocritical. We are all juicers. If you can achieve your goals at 500mg, good for you. It doesn't make you a better man.

Most of these guys who are using 200-300mg/weekly or whatever, shouldn't be using juice in the first place.

I knew a guy who grew on 100mg of Deca a week. He gained 15lbs on his cycle. Fact is, he shouldn't have been juicing in the first place.

No offence, because from your posts you seem very knowledgeable about steroids (much more than myself)- but I can't see the logic in your arguement.
Personal observation: If someone gets good results with a low doseage, and doesn't want to risk their health by using more juice that's up to them - and probably very sensible. - I just finished a cycle with just over a gram per week - its up to the individual how they want to abuse steroids (and lets face it, we're all abusing them, only to differing degrees according to the values we place on risks and rewards)

Additionally, it's your own choice to use 2g/week, and it is only you that carries the burden of health risks.I am sure that you would never recomend such an advanced cycle to anyone else, unless they were equally hardcore!
Likewise, no one should criticise you for your drug use, unless it is insane and suicidal ,in which case it would be for your own benefit. We really don't know what it's like to walk in your shoes. Its up to the individual how much they use. Who cares, as long as they're happy, know what they're doing, and are aware of the risks

Good luck, are you competing? and where?

 

[BigAndy69]

No offence, because from your posts you seem very knowledgeable about steroids (much more than myself)- but I can't see the logic in your arguement.
Personal observation: If someone gets good results with a low doseage, and doesn't want to risk their health by using more juice that's up to them - and probably very sensible. - I just finished a cycle with just over a gram per week - its up to the individual how they want to abuse steroids (and lets face it, we're all abusing them, only to differing degrees according to the values we place on risks and rewards)

Additionally, it's your own choice to use 2g/week, and it is only you that carries the burden of health risks.I am sure that you would never recomend such an advanced cycle to anyone else, unless they were equally hardcore!
Likewise, no one should criticise you for your drug use, unless it is insane and suicidal ,in which case it would be for your own benefit. We really don't know what it's like to walk in your shoes. Its up to the individual how much they use. Who cares, as long as they're happy, know what they're doing, and are aware of the risks

Good luck, are you competing? and where?

You are confusing some things here.

I'm actually an advocate using as little juice as possible and relying on diet, training and lifestyle.

You say you used 1gram+, that's fine. It's not excessive.

BUT, and here's my point; if you grow well on 200mg of Test a week, you are likely not at the level where you should be using steroids in the first place. You probably have a lot of natural growing left.

Give an advanced natural weight trainer (say 7 years + of hard training) 200mg of Test and see how well he gains. Chances are he would not see results that would justify him breaking the law and upsetting his natural hormone balance. The gains would not be significant and he would end up hurting himself with little or nothing to show for it.

And 2000mg is the most I've ever used in all my years.

Btw, I don't compete.

 

[hammercurls]

leave ba69 alone guys, you guys sound like anti steroid activists...he is a vet and knows the pro's and cons in this game..so back off

 

[needsize]

As much I tend to disagree with BA just on principle, he has some good points here. No one ever built the physique of an impressive competitive bodybuilder on a few hundred mgs a week, anyone who says they have are lying about their doses or bullshitting about their physique. And his doses are actually very mild.

And Mr Cuts, there is a world of difference between your 220 and 250+lbs. And the fact that you say if you used those doses then you could get that big easily, i call huge bullshit on that. I am 5'8", and was basically the same size as you after just one cycle, but do you have any idea what I have had to go through to get to the 260lb range....unless you have done it then trust me, you have no idea!

I completely agree about anyone growing off 200mg a week probably shouldnt be juicing in the first place.....if you grow off that, then you were no where near your natural genetic limit, so should have taken the time to actually train for a while before hitting the juice....And unfortunately that is a reflection of at least 90% of the people on these boards, I see pics of guys posting"I'm about to start my third cycle, what should I do", and they look like they have never even walked past a gym before, never mind trained in one. I would love to see people post up pics of what they looked like just before their first cycle, I bet maybe 1 out of 100 actually looks like they should even be thinking about juice

 

[hammercurls]

tell em like it is!! wanksters need to be put in check, especially elitefintess wanksters

 

[mr.cuts]

As much I tend to disagree with BA just on principle, he has some good points here. No one ever built the physique of an impressive competitive bodybuilder on a few hundred mgs a week, anyone who says they have are lying about their doses or bullshitting about their physique. And his doses are actually very mild.

And Mr Cuts, there is a world of difference between your 220 and 250+lbs. And the fact that you say if you used those doses then you could get that big easily, i call huge bullshit on that. I am 5'8", and was basically the same size as you after just one cycle, but do you have any idea what I have had to go through to get to the 260lb range....unless you have done it then trust me, you have no idea!

I completely agree about anyone growing off 200mg a week probably shouldnt be juicing in the first place.....if you grow off that, then you were no where near your natural genetic limit, so should have taken the time to actually train for a while before hitting the juice....And unfortunately that is a reflection of at least 90% of the people on these boards, I see pics of guys posting"I'm about to start my third cycle, what should I do", and they look like they have never even walked past a gym before, never mind trained in one. I would love to see people post up pics of what they looked like just before their first cycle, I bet maybe 1 out of 100 actually looks like they should even be thinking about juice

LOL! By the way, I have been training since I was 15 years old! Granted most of my training was specific for hockey, however I always hit the weights hard. And no offense buddy, but if that is you in your avatar pic, I am not too impressed.

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

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LOL! By the way, I have been training since I was 15 years old! Granted most of my training was specific for hockey, however I always hit the weights hard. And no offense buddy, but if that is you in your avatar pic, I am not too impressed."

What's with all the hate? Geez dude...

BA... thanks for the tips, concerns, and advice... props on the new cycle... sounds like it's comin' along great...

Needsize... I don't remember if you remember me from back when... but you've helped me a lot with your training posts...

Thanks everyone! FUCK I'm happy today!!

 

[ace13]

LOL! By the way, I have been training since I was 15 years old! Granted most of my training was specific for hockey, however I always hit the weights hard. And no offense buddy, but if that is you in your avatar pic, I am not too impressed.

Say what?? Not....too....impressed? I hope that was sarcasm.

 

[champion]

LOL...@the route this thread took..........GOOD WORK BA!

 

[SPORT SCIENTIST]

I must be missing something here. If you did, say 300mg of test as a cycle having naturally got to a freakish weight, surely this is going to make you grow? This produces far more test than is naturally found in the bloodstream.-surely this would be far more effective than any supplement that a natural bodybuilder could ever take?
I really am no expert, as I have only done 2 cycles (my expertise lies in nutrition and exercise physiology), but the reason for me starting steroids, was that I lost 35.5lbs! During my wife's pregnancy, I quit training, eat crappily and had lots of stress (run 2 jobs) associated with the upcoming birth of my beatiful son -I went from a natural 220lb to 185lb! - had to do something about it when I had time (depressing to be that small) - anyway, I had an amazing response of gear. My first cycle was 30mg of dbol/day - gained 22lbs, with my second cycle being 250sust e3d and 200 decca e3d (with 30mg dbol weeks 1-4) - probably a bit excessive for a second cycle, but gained another 28lbs! (these gains were way beyond any expectations I had) - I'm now 235lb with 16% bf - happy! (won't do a dose of gear higher than this)
I'm sure that if I did a low dose cycle when I was 220lb naturally (5 10"), I would have grown.

In no way was I having a go at big Andy, and I'm certainly not a juice Nazi!good luck to him (I'm new here, but everyone holds Big A in very high respect,so there must be a reason for that). Anyone can use as much or as little as they like, its up to them - this is just my opinion.