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halfaclue said:
Big andy serious question bro...I was using 466mg of NPP ew with 600mg enthate...not much of anything for results...bumped the npp to 700mg a week and again not much. Is it possible to get no benefits from a drug or is it more likely my source sucks?



probably the latter...BUT


it seems odd that you werent getting any results from EITHER.....are they bith form the same "company"?

OR are they UnderGround?
 
halfaclue said:
Big andy serious question bro...I was using 466mg of NPP ew with 600mg enthate...not much of anything for results...bumped the npp to 700mg a week and again not much. Is it possible to get no benefits from a drug or is it more likely my source sucks?

I'd like to know the answer to this as well because I'm running what I think is a low dose.
 
finally, jeeze, that took you guys long enough...


ill ask again cause my question was probably lost in all of mr.cunts bullshit, what does EQ prop compare to as far as pain, is it close to unbearible? bad as suspension? little worse than sustanon? i would love to use it in my upcoming cycle maybe in place of npp because i can control the hairloss from that with dutasteride, npp is kind of a mystery. And if i can avoid an experiment with the npp that may result in the demise of my hairline (or whats left of it lol), id rather go the eq route. thanks
 
future1 said:
guys what's Boldenone Propionate??? I tried looking it up but not much info.

short ester EQ.
 
hvywghtchamp said:
Andy, on your recommendation I began a prop/NPP cycle but wasn't quite sure how to run the NPP so you had suggested 200 e3d would be fine. Well since I'm running prop at 100 mgs eod I decided to shoot 100 mgs. NPP eod along with it. Think it's better that way or should I shoot the NPP e3d?

It depends on your previous experience with deca. I think 350mg per week along with dbol is a good first cycle. I think you should aim for 150mg EOD if I remember your experience level correctly.
 
halfaclue said:
Big andy serious question bro...I was using 466mg of NPP ew with 600mg enthate...not much of anything for results...bumped the npp to 700mg a week and again not much. Is it possible to get no benefits from a drug or is it more likely my source sucks?

Very unlikely for you not to gain anything especially if you bumped it up to 700mg and didn't get much. I would look at your source. Email if you don't want to reveal the brand name on the boards. I let you know if I know anything.

Have you done heavy deca cycle in the past? And if so, how did that go?
 
Ok........now that nelson is gone, back to the topic at hand.

My question for BA is:

I had horrible side effects from my last cycle off NPP. Its clear that I dont tolerate deca very well, and was wondering if Bold Prop would be a comparable short acting ester in terms of strength??

Any thoughts?
 
BigAndy69 said:
It depends on your previous experience with deca. I think 350mg per week along with dbol is a good first cycle. I think you should aim for 150mg EOD if I remember your experience level correctly.

I'll try bumping it up to 150 eod. I've tried deca 2 or 3 times in the past, got gyno from it the last time. I don't fair too well on dbol either....blood pressure skyrockets. I'll run the prop/100 NPP 150 eod and see how that goes but what about only running it for 6-7 wks.? Why isn't it recommended to run it longer if it's basically deca?
 
hairlossguru said:
Ok........now that nelson is gone, back to the topic at hand.

My question for BA is:

I had horrible side effects from my last cycle off NPP. Its clear that I dont tolerate deca very well, and was wondering if Bold Prop would be a comparable short acting ester in terms of strength??

Any thoughts?

lol

I really can't recommend Bold prop to anyone. You have to make a decision if you want to use it or not. The sides are fairly harsh. I'm having extremely painful hunger pains that will not go away. It is very strong, strength gains are very good.

I will do a little write up on it in another post
 
hvywghtchamp said:
I'll try bumping it up to 150 eod. I've tried deca 2 or 3 times in the past, got gyno from it the last time. I don't fair too well on dbol either....blood pressure skyrockets. I'll run the prop/100 NPP 150 eod and see how that goes but what about only running it for 6-7 wks.? Why isn't it recommended to run it longer if it's basically deca?

Nandrolone is very strong and can shut you down hard. Add a long ester to it and you can easily see why so many ppl run into problems with deca.

NPP is great because it is in and out of your system quickly. You see results right away and there really is no reason to go past 6-7 weeks. When you run it for a long time, you run into the same problems you would with deca.

My suggestion:

150mg NPP EOD for 6 weeks
100mg Prop EOD for 8 weeks

Nice additions:

Winny or dbol.
 
BigAndy69 said:
Nandrolone is very strong and can shut you down hard. Add a long ester to it and you can easily see why so many ppl run into problems with deca.

NPP is great because it is in and out of your system quickly. You see results right away and there really is no reason to go past 6-7 weeks. When you run it for a long time, you run into the same problems you would with deca.

My suggestion:

150mg NPP EOD for 6 weeks
100mg Prop EOD for 8 weeks

Nice additions:

Winny or dbol.

Looks good, I have enough to bump it up to 150. I'll post results as they come. I also took a before picture so I can compare the results better. I'll post those if it's worth it when I finish the NPP.
 
Just wke up, man there been a lot of shit spread around. Wheres the karma!

Big A; you put forward a convincing arguement- thanks for the explanation. Do the long esters take about 3-4 weeks to reach elevated level?- as my strength increased a lot around about this mark.
 
SPORT SCIENTIST said:
Just wke up, man there been a lot of shit spread around. Wheres the karma!

Big A; you put forward a convincing arguement- thanks for the explanation. Do the long esters take about 3-4 weeks to reach elevated level?- as my strength increased a lot around about this mark.

Yes, it takes about 3-4 weeks for blood levels to stay consistent. Long esters are not the best way to cycle, lots of wasted time. Short esters are much more efficient but EOD-ED injections are not fun especially since short esters tend to hurt more as well.
 
DaveTSI said:
finally, jeeze, that took you guys long enough...


ill ask again cause my question was probably lost in all of mr.cunts bullshit, what does EQ prop compare to as far as pain, is it close to unbearible? bad as suspension? little worse than sustanon? i would love to use it in my upcoming cycle maybe in place of npp because i can control the hairloss from that with dutasteride, npp is kind of a mystery. And if i can avoid an experiment with the npp that may result in the demise of my hairline (or whats left of it lol), id rather go the eq route. thanks

Yes, in the suspension pain range. Dutasteride? I'm not entirely familiar with this drug. Assuming it acts the same way as finasteride, it will be useless in blocking hairloss from EQ. I've done 2 EQ prop inject this week, at 2ml EOD with 1ml prop EOD...will update everyone in a bit.
 
BigAndy69 said:
Yes, in the suspension pain range. Dutasteride? I'm not entirely familiar with this drug. Assuming it acts the same way as finasteride, it will be useless in blocking hairloss from EQ. I've done 2 EQ prop inject this week, at 2ml EOD with 1ml prop EOD...will update everyone in a bit.

i thought dutasteride and finasteride worked with every test derived drug like dbol and eq. EQ IS a derivative of test correct or am i confused?
 
DaveTSI said:
i thought dutasteride and finasteride worked with every test derived drug like dbol and eq. EQ IS a derivative of test correct or am i confused?



finasteride works by inhibiting the activity of an enzyme, 5 alpha-reductase, so it blocks the transformation of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone


EQ isn't metabolically deactivated by 5a -reductase.
 
Update for everybody

I'm getting progressively leaner and my training is going strong. Still holding about the same weight but the water from the gram of nandrolone is gone.

Bold Prop: I have backed down my 700mg a week dose to 525mg weekly.

At 700mg, the hunger pains where unbearable. Very painful, I would even get them as early as 30mins after a meal. Not only is it annoying and painful but at this stage in my cycle I have to back down on the number of calories I'm eating.

Injection pain is not getting all that much better. I really don't look forward to shots. My next cycle will be long esters which I don't normally use.

I have never looked this striated...must be the bold prop, I look like I'm running 100mg of winny ED.
 
It is possible your body doesn't react the same as others, but 700mg and no gains? (plus 600mg enan?)There is an issue with the gear, your diet or your training. If you are training hard and eat right, then I would suspect weak gear.
 
sh4dowf4lcon said:
It is possible your body doesn't react the same as others, but 700mg and no gains? (plus 600mg enan?)There is an issue with the gear, your diet or your training. If you are training hard and eat right, then I would suspect weak gear.


i disagree, even with that dose eq doesnt pack alot of mass on you. and he also said the water from the nandrolones he was holding is gone and is still holding weight. also that hes getting progressively leaner but holding weight...what more can you ask from eq?

for example i gained only 5-6 lbs from my 12 weeks on eq but went from 13% to 9%. thats good gains for eq, no?
 
DaveTSI said:
i disagree, even with that dose eq doesnt pack alot of mass on you. and he also said the water from the nandrolones he was holding is gone and is still holding weight. also that hes getting progressively leaner but holding weight...what more can you ask from eq?

for example i gained only 5-6 lbs from my 12 weeks on eq but went from 13% to 9%. thats good gains for eq, no?

Thats good gains for ANYTHING bro. Some people get caught up on the scale.

If BA69 is holding his weight while simultaneously dropping water than he IS gaining mass.
 
DiamondCutCows said:
Thats good gains for ANYTHING bro. Some people get caught up on the scale.

If BA69 is holding his weight while simultaneously dropping water than he IS gaining mass.


EXACTLY
 
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