MACRO/ULTER........Testing a new Aromatese Inhibitor Formula:

[axe3]

Updates from the other bro's using the product...?

I have got zero invested in this product...I get no benefit from saying how it works. I have been a member of this board since 2001. Axe, axe2, and axe3. I have been using AAS for a long time. I have represented our country in 2 different sports (USADA and WADA) tested. I have been around the block more than once.

I volunteered to try this product because of AF's great reputation. I have seen nothing but responsible actions and great products from these guys over the past several years.

I have wrapped up my cycle using this product for the last several weeks of it Test (600mg/wk), tren, t-bol. I can say that this products works very well. I am as dry as I have ever been. I will use this product for my next cycle instead of a-dex.

 

[Ulter]

Thanks for posting your results bro.

YES you spray on your inner forearms/wrist area and rub it in. Like you see women doing with perfume.

 

[JS27]

J***, (stars are for your benefit)

longtime. why the hostility? before you jump on the slam wagon you could think it through.

Part of the reason for running trials is to see how the gen pop responds, it has been tested in house it was more potent that anticipated, still external verification is always a plus.

Its an effective AI and since you mentioned it there will, eventually, be a final version specifically that targets gyncomastia, one that includes 4th generation oestrogen suppression (non aromatase based).

Never had one problem with any of your products. (Save T-Rex for some reason).

But do you realize how this whole thread sounds?

Let's be completely candid here...there is no way this "New, un-tested, and un-tried" (Emphasis on un-tested) supplement is better than anastrozole.

On paper...sure, it looks great. But as Mr. X specified so did Chrysin.

I don't think anybody would ever recommend it NOW, for use as an aromatase inhibitor instead of anastrozole.

Come back in about 6-12 months after a lot of people have used it, and then you might be able to make that claim.

Why am I opposed to this? Because if the person uses ADT instead of Arimidex and develops Gyno.....that would be my fault for having recommended it.

 

[JS27]

What's funny to me is a guy with 10 posts who doesn't know jack about this subject popping off without presenting a single word of evidence to back up his statements. You read absolutely none of the medical literature on this AI, you ignored the posts of the people using it, and have declared yourself the expert on it. My guess is that you don't understand a single word of what was posted.

It's not exactly rocket science. But since you insist, I'll happily oblige.

ADT has extremely poor bio-availibility(orally). (Methylating the compound makes it orally available). (i.e. Patented compounds)

Yoir claim is this:

That ADT can be absorbed transdermally via the skin at a rate that is high enough to warrant a good enough anti-aromatase effect.

Well great. On paper it looks good. Now you're going to have to prove that this works in the real world.

Until then all claims are going to be quite moot.

 

[Ulter]

I am not really concerned with how it sounds to you. You will try the product or you won't and so will anyone else. That's about as far as your opinion goes.
You don't seem to understand that this product is made with a proven Aromatese Inhibitor. By the end of January over 50 men will have used it on three different boards. That's on top of a couple dozen studies there were already done on it.
I seriously don't need you to tell me when to come back or when I might be able to make a claim. I am not making the claim. The claim was made in the research that was done on this material years ago.

Would you recommend Aromasin? You said you would. Do you know how many people here got gyno even though they used Aromasin? AI's do not stop enough Estrogen in men to gaurantee someone won't get gyno symptoms. Did you know that? View just posted this morning that he's on 50mg/day. That's twice the normal dose of Aromasin and he get's gyno symptoms. So if you told him to use Aromasin would be responsible for his gyno? No.

read:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5628698&postcount=6

You're simply way out of line here because you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[JS27]

I am not really concerned with how it sounds to you. You will try the product or you won't and so will anyone else. That's about as far as your opinion goes.
You don't seem to understand that this product is made with a proven Aromatese Inhibitor. By the end of January over 50 men will have used it on three different boards. That's on top of a couple dozen studies there were already done on it.
I seriously don't need you to tell me when to come back or when I might be able to make a claim. I am not making the claim. The claim was made in the research that was done on this material years ago.

Would you recommend Aromasin? You said you would. Do you know how many people here got gyno even though they used Aromasin? AI's do not stop enough Estrogen in men to gaurantee someone won't get gyno symptoms. Did you know that? View just posted this morning that he's on 50mg/day. That's twice the normal dose of Aromasin and he get's gyno symptoms. So if you told him to use Aromasin would be responsible for his gyno? No.
You're simply way out of line here because you don't know what you're talking about.

You're out of your element.

But it is christmas after all, so i won't delve too much into it.

In any case, one person not responding to aromasin falls into the statistical variance for that given drug. No drug works for everybody.

So, if that's your evidence, you better get more.

 

[AristotleBC]

JS I understand your point but I must say it is diminished a bit by the fact that you misspelled "ATD" as "ADT" every time you posted.

 

[Ulter]

You're out of your element.

But it is christmas after all, so i won't delve too much into it.

In any case, one person not responding to aromasin falls into the statistical variance for that given drug. No drug works for everybody.

So, if that's your evidence, you better get more.

Do a search on this board and you'll find scores of posts just like that one. I've been here 5 years you've been here a few months. Or better yet do one on PubMed. AI's only inhibit an average of 60% of the estrogen production in men.

I am out of my element. That's funny.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

JS I understand your point but I must say it is diminished a bit by the fact that you misspelled "ATD" as "ADT" every time you posted.

ADT is
1,4,6-androstatriene-17beta-ol-3-one acetate or ANDROSTERONE
perhaps that is why he is confused about efficacy


ATD is an effective AI, in fact. IMHO based on both the studies and initial testing its as or more effective than aromasin in MEN (sample size is small, though over the male population response is likely to be similar).

Now since AI's have been developed to treat women its not surprising that many of the earlier and potent steroidal AI's were "passed" over.

basically ATD is an effective AI, how effective compared directly to the three main commercial AI's remains to be seen. Though in males it is likely as effective or more effective than most.

 

[Ulter]

Come on Fonz we're waiting. Show us how out of our league we are.