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- Thread starter BigAndy69
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Why does this not surprise me?
This is why I sat on so much info for so long...so something like this would not happen...
But once the floodgates were opened it was too late...
This is why I sat on so much info for so long...so something like this would not happen...
But once the floodgates were opened it was too late...
Share what you know with me BigAndy...you can email me if you like...
DeepZenPill
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I was afraid of that. And everyone flamed my ass for talking down the threats. Man think if you were some innocent fucker who had all this shit come down on you.
That guy's life could be fucked up.
If I were a smart scammer (like the Hulkster), I would have put all kinds of misinformation out to frame someone else, and then play along.
That guy's life could be fucked up.
If I were a smart scammer (like the Hulkster), I would have put all kinds of misinformation out to frame someone else, and then play along.
THEEGAME2544
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Damn! If that's the case, that was a huge mess-up on the part of whomever leaked all of that guys personal info. And some people posted that they went as far as leaving messages with his employer and god knows where else. A complete mess now. It should have really been 100% positive that he was the scammer, now all that has happened really cannot be undone.....completely f'cked up situation.
THEEGAME2544 said:
I have been sitting on various info on this guy for months now...but not ever being certain I was not going to post it....Though some guys on Meso thought they had enough and they posted this guys personal info (regardless of whether or not it was correct)...I honestly don't know if its the same guy...All I have are shipping addresses, IP addresses (pretty incriminating ones at that), board names, email addys, etc...
poor guy!!!!!
THEEGAME2544
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BigAndy69 said:
Andy, keep us posted with what you find out.
The_Eviscerator
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After seeing pictures of that guy, it seemed odd that a guy with access to steroids would look so pathetic. Something didn't add up... Also, his idol was Ghandi...
THEEGAME2544
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The Terminator said:
Term, props for sitting on the info so long. Especially when you weren't 100% positive on everything. The guys at Meso really shouldn't have leaked all that if they weren't absolutely sure of things. But hopefully in the coming hours we'll find out more on what is really going on.
BigAndy69 said:
I'll email you later tonight, I have plans for the entire day...until tonight maybe...
I'll shoot you a quick PM.
DeepZenPill
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How did you find out that's not really him?
Big Rick Rock
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Man! Poor kid... even if this clears up, chances are that he will get fired from the University... I hope EF doesn't end up in the News AGAIN!...
Biter
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This is a good/bad thing.
Bad - this kid, if innocent, COULD end up getting in deep shit. If that happens, then yeah, things are going to be uglier than people can imagine. Bad that the cretin pinned it on some punk. Generally, people don't do shit about these sort of things, but I've never seen more venom towards a scammer before.
Good thing - the truth is clearer, and if the people are barking up the wrong tree, it needs to be known.
Props to Term
Bad - this kid, if innocent, COULD end up getting in deep shit. If that happens, then yeah, things are going to be uglier than people can imagine. Bad that the cretin pinned it on some punk. Generally, people don't do shit about these sort of things, but I've never seen more venom towards a scammer before.
Good thing - the truth is clearer, and if the people are barking up the wrong tree, it needs to be known.
Props to Term
Wow, if you are sure this is a case of mistaken identity, all the people who have been calling and emailing his family and employer, etc. should call them back and say "it was just a prank" Sorry for the misunderstanding, etc. It may not fix things but it couldn't hurt and these guys OWE him that much.
DeepZenPill
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If that guy really isn't Hulkster, everyone who sent emails/called his employers should set things straight. If some innocent guy has his life ruined and nobody tried to fix their mistakes, that's much worse than someone scamming people for some cash.
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DepressiveJuice
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if it wasnt hulkster then why would he agree to refund all the money that was scammed?
bicepts101
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Spidey said:
exactly
you know there is an easy way to disguise your IP address i think even change it. someone posted it over 6 months ago i forget though
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DepressiveJuice
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Spidey said:
may not have what, agreed to refund the money or be hulkster? i know if i were innocent i would never agree to refund money i dont owe
BOTH. He may not have been the hulkster to begin with and he may not have agreed to pay anyone back.DepressiveJuice said:
Look, it's not that hard to understand. If I was the hulkster and I was going to scam a bunch of juiced up gorrillas out of a lot of money I would take pains to hide my trail. Apparently, he knows his way around a computer. So, he taps into some innocent guy's computer and establishes an online identity that can only be traced back to the innocent guy's computer. Now, he can say or do whatever he wants and it looks like the patsy is the one posting shit on the boards or sending emails.
The poor shmoe may not have even known anyone here or have any interest in bodybuilding or juice (as should be evident from his pics). He may have just been unlucky enough to be picked at random to take the fall.
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DepressiveJuice
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i understand what youre saying. im just saying that, most likely, no one would agree to refund scammed money if they were innocent. no need to make an argument about it
benevolent anarchist
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If that guy is not the scammer…
…and if anybody actually did cause him or his family pain, then that person should extend the olive branch and ask him if he is okay. Who knows? Maybe it’s a “no harm no foul.” If not, he should find out if there is anything that could be done to make it better.
It was bad judgment on my part for offering my “letter to the editor” prank in the original thread.
…and if anybody actually did cause him or his family pain, then that person should extend the olive branch and ask him if he is okay. Who knows? Maybe it’s a “no harm no foul.” If not, he should find out if there is anything that could be done to make it better.
It was bad judgment on my part for offering my “letter to the editor” prank in the original thread.
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kronk
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Its not the same person. Different last names, but same state. It was not him, they got the wrong guy, someone should post that at Meso, its been proven.
Lift Chief
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Well, shit.
sh4dowf4lcon
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good ol' reliable meso...pffftt!!
meso should be rated "stay away"
Misinformation Board of the Year: *drumroll*....................................
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MESO wins again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
meso should be rated "stay away"
Misinformation Board of the Year: *drumroll*....................................
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MESO wins again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEEGAME2544
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Guys that did email or call his home or work should get back in contact with whomever they spoke to and explain the situation. Something like appologizing by saying that a person on an online chat board had been selling sports supplements like creatine, glutamine etc....and that someone with the same name has been taking peoples money and not sending the supplements. So a lot of people were mad and thought that this guy was the guy who was doing it because their names were the same. That's all I can think of as a good way to help fix things. Suggestions are welcome. But seriously, those that did go as far as calling and stuff should really appologize and try to fix what they have done. An innocent young mans future is at stake here.
Dutch windmill
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DeepZenPill said:
Word bro!
D.W.
Good job guys...how many lawyers we have moderating here and they let you dumbasses put up actionable libel on their website?
Some of you defamed the guy, possibly cost him his job, and others were openly suggesting homicide or physical assault against him? Real, real bright. Regular frickin brain trust.
Some of you defamed the guy, possibly cost him his job, and others were openly suggesting homicide or physical assault against him? Real, real bright. Regular frickin brain trust.
This thread will be stuck for a few days so people will see and realize it wasn't he right guy. So please stop calling at Princeton or whatever else. Once again, WRONG GUY.
In the name of the EF staff, I'd like to make an apology to this young man who obviously got into troubles (I hope not).
Now could Meso do the same ?
Also, as mentionned by others, those who first called his job/Princeton should call back. If you had the balls to do it once, you should have them again to resinstate someone's reputation. It doesnt have to be long. Just the truth.
In the name of the EF staff, I'd like to make an apology to this young man who obviously got into troubles (I hope not).
Now could Meso do the same ?
Also, as mentionned by others, those who first called his job/Princeton should call back. If you had the balls to do it once, you should have them again to resinstate someone's reputation. It doesnt have to be long. Just the truth.
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HighIntensity
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this was mob mentality at it's worst.
I can almost say for sure the kids life will be fucked, even if his is not fired his reputation will be fucked for a while.
this is why I don't get involved in these things.
I can almost say for sure the kids life will be fucked, even if his is not fired his reputation will be fucked for a while.
this is why I don't get involved in these things.
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kronk
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manny78 said:
Well said Manny. From what I know, EF admin spoke to the school today when they called and lots of apologies were made. On behalf of all the mods and staff here, as Manny said we all sincerely apologize for any problems caused.
psychedout
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The drama.
Heahy Minister
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That scammer guy probably knows this guy he setup.
Don't expect steroids to get any better rep from this incident.
Don't expect steroids to get any better rep from this incident.
tapoutm
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gilly6993 said:
Ya this is probably the only good thing to come out of this. Could you imagine if some poor kid was walking to his car and was jumped by
for absolute no reason!! But before we all jump to another conclusion I don't think anyone is 100% sure of either way are they!!!!!
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Ashamed
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Fonz said:
I don't feel guilt for emailing his bosses. The facts should have been certain before they were posted; therefore I am without blame. I'll not get involved in this scam nonsense in the future....
therealj69
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amazing what a group full of idiots behind their computers can acomplish while trying to save the world
bicepts101
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therealj69 said:
and who are you?
bicepts101 said:
Probably mrjuice/Hulkster/Juicefreak, Ca we get an IP cross reference check?
therealj69
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bicepts101 said:
therealj who are you?
Budlite744
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WOW ... I Hope for the bodybuilding board community's sake that this kid actually did scam!
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Citruscide
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liftshard said:
there is endless caselaw where an ISP or BBS was found NOT liable for members comments regarding other people... even if it was blatently incorrect. Furthermore, these cases have even said that these providers need not take down the information. We have taken it down.
Such ISPs include many AOL Bulletin boards and chat areas.
C-ditty
It depends upon whether or not the board was actively inciting criminal activity. I would refer you to the NAMBLA suit.
All it takes is one guy getting killed or beaten up, Citrus, and one damage judgment and all that endless "caselaw" is worth a pile of spit. If you have some appellate jurisprudence from an authoritative circuit court, please cite it.
The posts WERE libelous and physical threats were made. Moderation should have taken effect LONG before this got to the point that it did.
All it takes is one guy getting killed or beaten up, Citrus, and one damage judgment and all that endless "caselaw" is worth a pile of spit. If you have some appellate jurisprudence from an authoritative circuit court, please cite it.
The posts WERE libelous and physical threats were made. Moderation should have taken effect LONG before this got to the point that it did.
canadianhitman
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Moral of the story: never let anyone else use your computer, and DO use a firewall.
BigAndy69 said:
seriously-the guy was working in the computer department at Princeton. I SERIOUSLY doubt juicefreak sat at home-broke through the endless amount of firewalls/routers they have in place- to do all of his posting-and doing so for MONTHS without it being picked up. IF this guy isnt juicefreak-then he must be just walking into the IT department there without any questions asked-and sitting for hours posting on the internet.....
canadianhitman
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something doesn't add up here.....how does this guy explain how his computer could have been used in such a manner?
oh-and theres waaaay more to it than that-lots of coincidences infact. im going to try and get one of the guys that helped dig up this info to post-or hand me what hes got and ill post these little "coincidences" Besides-noone has even said WHY theyve got the wrong guy....
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Ashamed
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u guys make me larf....
Wow, the EF Board actually did this? That is great! I liked this board from the Start, but now my respect for the board has gone much higher than it was.
I almost feel pride in being a part of this community.
I read the original post, but I didn't bother to say anything, as it wasn't worth mixing in. Even if I had lost money, I would have let it go...
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Frackal
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Everyone who contributed to causing him problems now has responsibility to contribute in fixing them.
bigAragorn
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F117A Active Stealth said:
what are you talking about......elite isnt out of the spotlight because the admin made apologies........how about taking the steps necessary in the beginning to prevent this sort of stuff.
Dont get me wrong....ive participated in scammer hunting before but only on one occasion and it was a known scammer. In fact after this incident im staying the fuck away from anything to do with this sort of thing.......
My point this has put another black cloud over our community and to be honest i feel ashamed. But that's MO.
MassiveG300
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canadianhitman said:
If this kid knows who did it let him spilll the beans on his "freind"..it sucks that he got blamed for someone elses dirty deeds.
This hulkster was not the same one who scammed a lot of people on here in 1996-1997 who lived in Guam..he had a website and newsletter and favorite saying was "be careful and watch yer back"
bigAragorn said:
I have to agree on this one....I won't be tracking down anybody else either (unless they scam me personally, then they are fucked
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Yes, we are somewhat responsible, but who's fault is it really? IMO, we had are part but the hulkster is the one responsible. He set that kid up.
MBino knows something, we don't know what he does know, but there are just too many coincidences.
Where did we go wrong? Well, we didn't challenge the information, truth is, how could we, we wanted to believe that it was the hulkster and that we got him. We don't have a scammer committee that confirms the info is valid or not. We take the word of those who were scammed, and many people were scammed.
Was I scammed by him? Nope, so I'm out of it, but by the looks of it MBino knows something or is involved in someway but at this point, I really don't care.
MBino knows something, we don't know what he does know, but there are just too many coincidences.
Where did we go wrong? Well, we didn't challenge the information, truth is, how could we, we wanted to believe that it was the hulkster and that we got him. We don't have a scammer committee that confirms the info is valid or not. We take the word of those who were scammed, and many people were scammed.
Was I scammed by him? Nope, so I'm out of it, but by the looks of it MBino knows something or is involved in someway but at this point, I really don't care.
Mike is the guys name, born in 1978
Hulksters former email addy was [email protected]
He accepted an order as:
M***** A******
1* D***** Drive
Middlesex, NJ (not sure the zip off hand)
(which is MA's addy)
He accepted large order via international from this addy.
Also the place where hulkster scammed from is less then 5 mins from this
guys D****** Drive addy
MA is the right guy-if its not him-hes in on it.
Hulksters former email addy was [email protected]
He accepted an order as:
M***** A******
1* D***** Drive
Middlesex, NJ (not sure the zip off hand)
(which is MA's addy)
He accepted large order via international from this addy.
Also the place where hulkster scammed from is less then 5 mins from this
guys D****** Drive addy
MA is the right guy-if its not him-hes in on it.
Quez1982 said:sup Termy..I've seen a few things on him...i feel bad for that guy.. he has alot to explain to his employers ...shitty that it happened this way
It's not my fault it got like this though...I never leaked anything about his name, addresses, nothing...The only thing I shot off was his IP addresses (and the corresponding guys who had matches with him...a.k.a. THE SAME PERSON)
But I am stepping back from this one and let someone else deal with it...I have wasted WAY too much time on this scammer...
the time you say you waisted might be something you can walk away from man, but this guy may never recover. I am so pleased that one mans waste is another mans demise.
i am ashamed to be apart of this community at this point, I will most definately stick around for tips and insights but will never look at this board the same and some of th more fruitfull members have lost my respect completely.
glad to see the ones i look up to thge most did not get involved in this modern day witch hunt.
PEACE. Give me negative karma for all i care, comming from this groiup i would never want posative karma. 1
i am ashamed to be apart of this community at this point, I will most definately stick around for tips and insights but will never look at this board the same and some of th more fruitfull members have lost my respect completely.
glad to see the ones i look up to thge most did not get involved in this modern day witch hunt.
PEACE. Give me negative karma for all i care, comming from this groiup i would never want posative karma. 1
GawdsGift said:
What the FUCK do you think you know about this? Alot of guys were scammed on this and then you have the audacity to come on here and badmouth me (and others)...I NEVER leaked ONE shread of evidence on this guy, not one thing that could allude to who he is...As a matter of fact I didin't know his name until ONE day before everyone else got it...
Also I NEVER emailed or harrassed anyone at all...I never leaked nothing, never harrassed anyone, and yet you come out here and openly attack me...You had no right to say any of that shit you just posted, there was no justification at all on your part...
I spent probably 40 hours researching and comparing notes with other trying to figure out this whole mess...You know WHY I did that?....To keep others from getting the same scamming fate...Out of the goodness of my heart I was helping the members try and uncover the truth, with NOTHING returned to me for it...NOTHING at all, except bad mouthing from some punk I don't even know...Well to hell with you, I won't be helping people here anymore if this is the kind of gratitude one gets for it...
Quez1982
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wait buddy.. Termy wasnt the one who pulled this guy out as a scammer...your blaming him when you dont know him for one..you know nothing two...and your putting someone down that you have nothing to back up ...You wanna blame someone blame the people who stared putting this guy out as a scammer..their the ones who fucked up...and many others posted this shit as this guy a scammer.. Term didnt want to come out with this at all .. he was never sure about anything .. thats why he held back ... now that people fucked up excluding Termy...you wanna blame the last person for this shit..get your facts right .. then go sit in the corner with your pet monkey
GawdsGift said:
You have NO IDEA what is going on in this. YOU need to step back and take a look around you. Yes this sap got ran through the mud (guilty or not) But NONE of that was my doing...someone on Meso leaked it all, NOT ANYONE HERE..So before you spout of some more of your genious intellect make sure you have some idea as to what you are talking about, and who you are directing it at...
bicepts101
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The Terminator said:
Well to hell with you, I won't be helping people here anymore if this is the kind of gratitude one gets for it...
bro this is only coming from one person.
im damn sure that you one of the most highly respectable bro's on every board you post on. the important people know whats up.
bicepts101 said:
Too bad for him I NEVER forget when someone fucks with me like that in a totally unjust manner...Next time he needs help with something I will be the last one to help him out...
But you're still on my good buddy list bicepts
Dude, don't let the guy get to ya, he just wants to go against the norm so he can look "cool" that's all
I feel sorry for the guy too, but everyone knows you weren't at fault.
Nobody even knows for certain what the hell happened and what is truth.
So only time will tell what the deal is...
Term, these guys that have probably never ordered from a source are talking shit trying to be cool and righteous.
Nobody here uncovered the info. One guy on Meso who lost money created the website with the guy's info. They were trying to get there money back. Do I blame him for what happened to M Bino? NO.
It's the hulkster's fault, period, end of story.
Nobody here uncovered the info. One guy on Meso who lost money created the website with the guy's info. They were trying to get there money back. Do I blame him for what happened to M Bino? NO.
It's the hulkster's fault, period, end of story.
bicepts101
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The Terminator said:
Too bad for him I NEVER forget when someone fucks with me like that in a totally unjust manner...Next time he needs help with something I will be the last one to help him out...
But you're still on my good buddy list bicepts
so do i still get......
???
bicepts101 said:
so do i still get......
Let me call Juice Authority or WARBIRD...they both owe me favors LOL...
calveless wonder
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GawdsGift said:
yet. another ignorant post by this guy. if you've read what he's said in the past you can understand why he said this.
get fuckin real... you had nothing to do with the situation and you're trying to sound hard. You're disrespecting the very people who helped you in the past despite them having hardly any responsibility in the matter. The guys at Meso are the ones who messed up, if anything.
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