long term damage on steroids

[pov]

Hello bros.

theres losts of opinions on whether steroids damage you in the long term but just wanted your opinions and theres no one better to ask then people juicing.

personally ive started my 3rd cycle and cant wait for it to kick in but i dont think i will stop juicing till ive done about 8 cycles but then who knows ill prob do more.

how many years of juicing does it take before you actually get heart and liver probs etc?

Is test the best and safest choice in steroids? what dosage is to much?

Is it best to stay away from Fina, Eq etc which really isnt made for people?

Thanks bros for your help!

 

[GOLUAN]

Thats a hard question to answer correctly...It really all depends on what kind of cycles you have done, what the dosage wAs, if you took anything to prevent damange..to many variables involved i think. Thats one reason to get your blood tested regularly

 

[Burpees]

I think we still don't know enough, and everyone is different and the compounds each of us take and what they do to us is also different.

The guys that seem to be *healthy*, old, happy, and still fit are the guys that were/are on moderate/therapeutic dosages and/or run HGH at a reasonable dose.

I ran a cycle that was 6-8 months long, the last 6 weeks I was on TRT dose of prop 50mg Mon/Wed/Fri..during the cycle I started at 500mg test and 300mg ace, I got all the way up to 100mg ED of ace and 1000mg a week of enan.. I have to say the best part of the cycle was the last few weeks on just low dose prop and hcg.. I think it was a combination of things, the smaller injections so pain was none, i was having libido problems and it didn't worry me so I felt focused and satisfied slightly worried.. My progress kept going those last 6 weeks, and I think I looked my best.. At this moment a year later, I wish I would have never got off my 50mg m/w/f.. Going to see the doc today..

In the end problems with cholesterol affect a lot of organs and unfortunately some of the more important ones..liver, kidneys, pancreas, heart, even our arteries.. There is no hiding AAS affects the way our bodies process lipids.

Edit: the reason i did the low dose prop at the end was due to the length of time and dosage i was on with the ace.. I was having some serious fina flop when I went from 700mg a week to 300mg for a week and then when I ran out the following week it was downhill for my sex life.. hcg, prop, dost, cialis&viagra let my summer happen..

 

[sonicwaste]

If you abuse any drug, there are obviously a chance for damage. If you use any drug, the chances for damage are there, but protection and knowledge is key.

It's such a tough question to answer.

I think if you take precautionary measures, as you would when taking any drug or medicine then the long terms effects can be nil.

Personally, I am worried about way more things that could potentially cause long term damage other than AAS.

Think of it another way too. If you use AAS to stay lean, muscular, and in shape and keep your body healthy otherwise then you will be fine.

A good majority of people I know that have health complications as they age are a combination of things A) being overweight or obeese B) genetics

Being overweight or obeese can cause so many different problems. If you use AAS and Supps to keep you in shape for the rest of your life, all else equal like genetics, you should live a healthy life.

 

[thebigoz]

+1 Sonic

Moderation + knowledge are the keys in my opinion. If you are cautious and conscious of what you're doing, I don't foresee any major issues. AAS is not a game. It's serious business. If you don't push the limits too far and have regular blood work done, I think you are ahead of the game in many respects.

 

[timtim]

i know a few middle aged guys who have had heart attacks and kidney issues. all ate extremely healthy. afew went crazy with dosages. afew were always mild and low dose. its a risk you either accept or dont use.

 

[sonicwaste]

i know a few middle aged guys who have had heart attacks and kidney issues. all ate extremely healthy. afew went crazy with dosages. afew were always mild and low dose. its a risk you either accept or dont use.

I've also seen some middle aged guys who have had heart problems, heart attacks, kidney and liver problems, etc... That have never used AAS.

I'm not saying your friends problem aren't caused by AAS, and I'm not saying their problems are.

But a lot of genetic/hereditary problem get blamed on drugs from time to time.

 

[thelion2005]

Thats a hard question to answer correctly...It really all depends on what kind of cycles you have done, what the dosage wAs, if you took anything to prevent damange..to many variables involved i think. Thats one reason to get your blood tested regularly

Agreed! I'm 65 and have sampled for 50 years. My use has changed as knowledge has increased, going from a few pills in the 60's to full bore cycles today.

All my testing says zero damage including heart,liver and kidneys, while bigger and stronger than my genetic limitations. Lost all my hair though. LOL And lots of sun damage.

 

[GOLUAN]

Agreed! I'm 65 and have sampled for 50 years. My use has changed as knowledge has increased, going from a few pills in the 60's to full bore cycles today.

All my testing says zero damage including heart,liver and kidneys, while bigger and stronger than my genetic limitations. Lost all my hair though. LOL And lots of sun damage.

good to hear bro! More K to yah!

 

[doublebicep]

Agreed! I'm 65 and have sampled for 50 years. My use has changed as knowledge has increased, going from a few pills in the 60's to full bore cycles today.

All my testing says zero damage including heart,liver and kidneys, while bigger and stronger than my genetic limitations. Lost all my hair though. LOL And lots of sun damage.

Amazing! I guess the scare tatics don't work on you? lol...I keep thinking about Neson's "Steroids for Health" article.

I can relate to sun damage. Growing up, we never used sun screen. I used to get burn't so bad. Now my face and back have sun damage.

 

[Tatyana]

Agreed! I'm 65 and have sampled for 50 years. My use has changed as knowledge has increased, going from a few pills in the 60's to full bore cycles today.

All my testing says zero damage including heart,liver and kidneys, while bigger and stronger than my genetic limitations. Lost all my hair though. LOL And lots of sun damage.

You started taking steroids at 15 years of age?

 

[pov]

cheers guys im personally trying to be careful only doing 15 week max cycles. ive only done test and deca but will be trying winstrol. ill take the winny with low dose deca so my joints stay fine. Juice has helped me alot but I always get slightly worried but its true that there are other problems. A guy between 35-45 died at the gym that i go to, he was just running on the tredmill, he had a heart attack and wasnt fat.(RIP)

Its good that if we tell each other how we are getting on especially when older men are taking them then atleast i know dangers.

 

[pov]

I think we still don't know enough, and everyone is different and the compounds each of us take and what they do to us is also different.

The guys that seem to be *healthy*, old, happy, and still fit are the guys that were/are on moderate/therapeutic dosages and/or run HGH at a reasonable dose.

I ran a cycle that was 6-8 months long, the last 6 weeks I was on TRT dose of prop 50mg Mon/Wed/Fri..during the cycle I started at 500mg test and 300mg ace, I got all the way up to 100mg ED of ace and 1000mg a week of enan.. I have to say the best part of the cycle was the last few weeks on just low dose prop and hcg.. I think it was a combination of things, the smaller injections so pain was none, i was having libido problems and it didn't worry me so I felt focused and satisfied slightly worried.. My progress kept going those last 6 weeks, and I think I looked my best.. At this moment a year later, I wish I would have never got off my 50mg m/w/f.. Going to see the doc today..

In the end problems with cholesterol affect a lot of organs and unfortunately some of the more important ones..liver, kidneys, pancreas, heart, even our arteries.. There is no hiding AAS affects the way our bodies process lipids.

Edit: the reason i did the low dose prop at the end was due to the length of time and dosage i was on with the ace.. I was having some serious fina flop when I went from 700mg a week to 300mg for a week and then when I ran out the following week it was downhill for my sex life.. hcg, prop, dost, cialis&viagra let my summer happen..

your post was interesting because ive never come across cycles that long!!i thought the usual length was about 12 weeks unless using T.E or E.Q etc.

have you recovered from a cycle fully? and is it common for bodybuilding pros to do these cycles all year?t

thanks, my brains filling up fast

 

[Burpees]

your post was interesting because ive never come across cycles that long!!i thought the usual length was about 12 weeks unless using T.E or E.Q etc.

have you recovered from a cycle fully? and is it common for bodybuilding pros to do these cycles all year?t

thanks, my brains filling up fast

im no pro.

what i did was pretty stupid, and frowned upon most users on this community.

pros do some pretty crazy shit and AAS is only the tip of the iceberg.

About fully recovering, no I never fully recovered. My libido is a bit off, meaning im not as horny as often as I used to be and my erections aren't as hard as they used to be. I'm only good for one round of sex a day, in my natural, overweight days I could easily knock out 3 a day and 2 was my norm. On cycle..I thought I had herpes from the raw chaffing I got. Right now I take 25mcg a Cialis every 4-5 (friday) and it seems to bring me back to my usual self. which is weird.. cialis shouldn't affect my T levels in the morning but it feels like it does.

Granted - libido is not an indicator for T levels.

 

[RagenMMA]

Anabolic steroids can lead to early heart attacks, strokes, liver tumors, kidney failure, and serious psychiatric problems. Low Testosterone for life and loss of libido. High Blood pressure, diabetes, the list goes on. We all know what were doing here. I choose to be a juicer and i choose to take 12 other ancillary drugs to keep side effects at bay.

 

[-SD-]

Anabolic steroids can lead to early heart attacks, strokes, liver tumors, kidney failure, and serious psychiatric problems. Low Testosterone for life and loss of libido. High Blood pressure, diabetes, the list goes on. We all know what were doing here. I choose to be a juicer and i choose to take 12 other ancillary drugs to keep side effects at bay.

what sort of serious psych problems bor

 

[timtim]

what sort of serious psych problems bor

the pituitary gland controls hormone and neurotransmitter output. with the use of aas, the pituitary gland is no longer in control. long term use can affect the output of hormones which require tight regulation. as far what type of psych problems, depends on the brain of the user. chemical regulation varies from brain type to brain type. i believe there are 7 "types" of brains when it comes to chemical scenarios. a psychiatrist whose name escapes me know, of course, did a study where he did mri's on people to see brain function, relegated people to 1 of 7 groups, medicated them and then did post mri studies and found the brains to fall into the "normal" curve post medication. his theory is that everyone falls into 1 of these 7 types of brains and with specific medication, imbalances can be effectively treated creating a homeostasis in horm ones and neurotransmitters.

 

[GOLUAN]

the pituitary gland controls hormone and neurotransmitter output. with the use of aas, the pituitary gland is no longer in control. long term use can affect the output of hormones which require tight regulation. as far what type of psych problems, depends on the brain of the user. chemical regulation varies from brain type to brain type. i believe there are 7 "types" of brains when it comes to chemical scenarios. a psychiatrist whose name escapes me know, of course, did a study where he did mri's on people to see brain function, relegated people to 1 of 7 groups, medicated them and then did post mri studies and found the brains to fall into the "normal" curve post medication. his theory is that everyone falls into 1 of these 7 types of brains and with specific medication, imbalances can be effectively treated creating a homeostasis in horm ones and neurotransmitters.

I dont think they make a pct for this do they? LOL..

 

[Stryker1992]

Agreed! I'm 65 and have sampled for 50 years. My use has changed as knowledge has increased, going from a few pills in the 60's to full bore cycles today.

All my testing says zero damage including heart,liver and kidneys, while bigger and stronger than my genetic limitations. Lost all my hair though. LOL And lots of sun damage.

Damn bro, since 15!!!!

 

[needtogetaas]

I really don't give a shit if there is anyway. Before I was a juicer I was a hard core dinker. Well for me I think this is a better habit. Almost any and everything taken to much for to long can cause problems. Lets all stop beings pussies and deal with facts of life. If you life to 60-70 you had a good long life. If you life to 80-90 yo lived a full long life and at least 5-10 of witch was spend in a nursing home or assisted living with some one whipping your ass for you.

You live any longer then that well your last 10 or more years you spent most of that wishing you were dead anyway.


So who gives a shit. Do I want to die young??? say at some where between 40-60 no not really. The chances of dieing that young from juice are pretty slim though. I think the odds are in my favor ill be making it past 60 and that is good enough for me.

 

[RagenMMA]

I really don't give a shit if there is anyway. Before I was a juicer I was a hard core dinker. Well for me I think this is a better habit. Almost any and everything taken to much for to long can cause problems. Lets all stop beings pussies and deal with facts of life. If you life to 60-70 you had a good long life. If you life to 80-90 yo lived a full long life and at least 5-10 of witch was spend in a nursing home or assisted living with some one whipping your ass for you.

You live any longer then that well your last 10 or more years you spent most of that wishing you were dead anyway.


So who gives a shit. Do I want to die young??? say at some where between 40-60 no not really. The chances of dieing that young from juice are pretty slim though. I think the odds are in my favor ill be making it past 60 and that is good enough for me.

As crazy as this sounds i'd have to say i agree unless i'm one of the few who gets put on kidney dialysis at 45 years old and in that case i would truely regret this life i live. Bottom line is, if you juice long-term you are definitely walking on a tight rope. If you juice responsibly (i.e. regular bloodwork, manage BP and glucose, run proper PCT and take proper time off) you are less likely to run into issues but if your like most of us (including me) who end up pushing the envelope everytime it can be a crap shoot. But i'm obviously willing to roll the dice or i wouldn't be doing it. I guess the taste of the bait is worth the pain of the hook.

 

[-SD-]

As crazy as this sounds i'd have to say i agree unless i'm one of the few who gets put on kidney dialysis at 45 years old and in that case i would truely regret this life i live. Bottom line is, if you juice long-term you are definitely walking on a tight rope. If you juice responsibly (i.e. regular bloodwork, manage BP and glucose, run proper PCT and take proper time off) you are less likely to run into issues but if your like most of us (including me) who end up pushing the envelope everytime it can be a crap shoot. But i'm obviously willing to roll the dice or i wouldn't be doing it. I guess the taste of the bait is worth the pain of the hook.

With a sig line like yours, i dont doubt you in the least lol

 

[Burpees]

the pituitary gland controls hormone and neurotransmitter output. with the use of aas, the pituitary gland is no longer in control. long term use can affect the output of hormones which require tight regulation. as far what type of psych problems, depends on the brain of the user. chemical regulation varies from brain type to brain type. i believe there are 7 "types" of brains when it comes to chemical scenarios. a psychiatrist whose name escapes me know, of course, did a study where he did mri's on people to see brain function, relegated people to 1 of 7 groups, medicated them and then did post mri studies and found the brains to fall into the "normal" curve post medication. his theory is that everyone falls into 1 of these 7 types of brains and with specific medication, imbalances can be effectively treated creating a homeostasis in horm ones and neurotransmitters.

Think you can dig that doctors name up and the study?

7 brains on google is ...uhm... not what i'm looking for

NeedTo, I agree bro.

 

[sonicwaste]

If you life to 80-90 yo lived a full long life and at least 5-10 of witch was spend in a nursing home or assisted living with some one whipping your ass for you.

Not necessarily so man. My great grandma lived pretty happily until 90 and then went to assisted living for a year and then passed.

I have a friend whose grandparents are mid 80's and are in great shape. They both still swim 5 miles a day.

Then there is a guy who is probably 90 that works out at my gym. He's good shape for his age and seems pretty happy go lucky.

So it is possible to live into the mid 80's and 90's while still being in shape.

 

[Whiskey]

On one hand I wonder if my colon or any other organ has been permanently changed for the worse due to use.
BUT, on the other, I wonder when someone will fall asleep at the wheel when driving, hit and kill me.


Like bigoz said, moderation+knowledge


Whiskey

 

[timtim]

Think you can dig that doctors name up and the study?

7 brains on google is ...uhm... not what i'm looking for

NeedTo, I agree bro.

ill try and find it today. its a hardcover book youd get at barnes and noble. i cant believe i cant remember the title right now. really interesting stuff too. a psychiatrist i work with gave it to me to borrow. ill see her today.

 

[timtim]

it just came to me. damn i hate brain farts. Healing Anxiety and Depression: The Revolutionary Brain-Based Program That Allows You to See and Heal the Seven Types by Daniel Amen.

 

[Burpees]

it just came to me. damn i hate brain farts. Healing Anxiety and Depression: The Revolutionary Brain-Based Program That Allows You to See and Heal the Seven Types by Daniel Amen.

Thanks bro, appreciate it.

Have you read Plato not Prozac?

 

[timtim]

Thanks bro, appreciate it.

Have you read Plato not Prozac?

no. i usually only read things people give to me. i dont seek out literature really, except info on training and diet and such. is it good? whats the premise?

 

[Stryker1992]

I really don't give a shit if there is anyway. Before I was a juicer I was a hard core dinker. Well for me I think this is a better habit. Almost any and everything taken to much for to long can cause problems. Lets all stop beings pussies and deal with facts of life. If you life to 60-70 you had a good long life. If you life to 80-90 yo lived a full long life and at least 5-10 of witch was spend in a nursing home or assisted living with some one whipping your ass for you.

You live any longer then that well your last 10 or more years you spent most of that wishing you were dead anyway.


So who gives a shit. Do I want to die young??? say at some where between 40-60 no not really. The chances of dieing that young from juice are pretty slim though. I think the odds are in my favor ill be making it past 60 and that is good enough for me.

Bro, you are still a hard core DINKER! ROTFLMAO!

hahahaha.....

 

[Tatyana]

One of the issues with weight training is left ventricular hypertrophy (LVH), and AAS seems to contribute to this.

LVH is associated with cardiovascular events, however, the thickening of the ventricle seems to diminish with cessation of AAS use and/or weight traing.

One thing that seems to off set this is doing cardio, so get on that treadmill, bike, x-trainer or get outside and go running or for a long walk.

 

[roid_free]

How long is "long term" use considered to be? 3 to 4 years?

 

[thelion2005]

You started taking steroids at 15 years of age?

Yes ,,, 10 shots over a 10 week period because I was not maturing. I don't know what it was. I'm guessing low dosage depot. What injectable was available in 1958? Small pin and a small amount of fluid. Kicked started my maturity! LOL From soprano to bass.

I was taking the old Jowett home study course then so I started building muscle.

 

[iron_matt-CB]

like need to said, anything can kill you...its about quality of life here not longevity...who wants to live long unhappy..i was a huge drinker and into many drugs as a teen and into my late 20's, i know heavy heavy drinkers who have died early and who have lived long lives and continue to drink to this day with no issues..living life in fear of what may happen is shitty..we all have our bad habits, smokers, drinkers, juicers whatever!! i do believe in moderation though..im trying now to use the mildest steroids and not using huge amount, very moderate doses...im on hrt anyway but i dont go over 500mgs a week of test when i blast..i dont know, if i die from that then chances are i would have died from something else....the way i figure it, there are tons of bodybulders who have used a shit ton more than that and are still alive and well to this day...life is like a bunch of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get, lol

 

[Varga]

just use common sense and learn as much as possible what you are doing.
i would say that one of the most important things you can do is to learn your body in terms of genetic superiority or inferiority. Knowing what you dealing with will dictate how your use of AAS can be used in a positive way rather than hurting yourself
for example having a sensitive liver....by all means stay away from orals and keep injectibles at bay in terms of dosages and use mild compounds

 

[pov]

lol im loving this thread so im on my cycle now 750 sus and 300deca cant wait till i get bigger LOL but....after this cycle i dont think ill take anymore high doses of test, maybe 500mg max