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lol...my kid, the poser.

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i don't care if i get heat for this. it's funny to me.

my daughter asked me if she could go to a youth group with 2 friends after school today. it was at a church. I told her i thought those things were religion based but it's fine with me (i'm an atheist, and my daughter says she is too).

she came home and told me she had a GREAT time. she LOVED it, but that throughout the whole thing they would say something in reference to jesus or god or "amen", so she just went along with it even though she thought it was really silly, just because she wants to keep hanging out there.

She said at the end they held hands and prayed, so she held hands and thought about what she had to do for homework, then said "amen" with everyone else, and went home. i thought it was pretty funny.

some religious freak here is going to chastise me for not showing her the way of the lord or whatever, but too bad.
 
that is pretty rad


when i was younger and non religious i still went to bible school in the summer becuase I could play dodgeball and eat cookies. just had to sit through some stories and prayers for a few minutes
 
string_bean00 said:
that is pretty rad


when i was younger and non religious i still went to bible school in the summer becuase I could play dodgeball and eat cookies. just had to sit through some stories and prayers for a few minutes
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yeah, that's pretty much what she said. She thought they were all pretty goofy with the whole religious thing, but she kept that to herself.
 
stilleto said:
i don't care if i get heat for this. it's funny to me.

my daughter asked me if she could go to a youth group with 2 friends after school today. it was at a church. I told her i thought those things were religion based but it's fine with me (i'm an atheist, and my daughter says she is too).

she came home and told me she had a GREAT time. she LOVED it, but that throughout the whole thing they would say something in reference to jesus or god or "amen", so she just went along with it even though she thought it was really silly, just because she wants to keep hanging out there.

She said at the end they held hands and prayed, so she held hands and thought about what she had to do for homework, then said "amen" with everyone else, and went home. i thought it was pretty funny.

some religious freak here is going to chastise me for not showing her the way of the lord or whatever, but too bad.
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Lmao...i just had a deja vu moment

I was that girl too.
 
Smurfy said:
I was on a puerto rican christian bowling league for a few years. it was great fun! (im not puerto rican or christian)
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yes you are. don't lie.

btw, i won (for real) a writing contest for black women. i didn't know that when i entered it, but i won $5000 and wasn't about to give it back just cause of my skin color. :)
 
Jocques Straap said:
Good for you for letter her go. Parents should not force their religious views on their children.
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i don't discuss my views with them unless they ask.
my son says he does believe in god. when i asked what religion he is, he was like, "uh... what?... i mean... catholic?"
lol
my other son is jewish. (his dad was jewish)
my daughter is an atheist.
 
bino said:
for sure.
my experience with church was so positive, if i ever have kids,
i'd want them to have the same churchy fun i did.
untill i became a fuck off adulterous e-dutch
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churchy fun?
lol
i called my son into my room and asked him if he believed in god. He said he didn't think so, but he thinks he does believe in heaven and hell. I said, "It sounds like you might be agnostic". He said, "I sound like i might be obnoxious?"

my son is jeff spiccoli.
 
I was raised in a Baptist home. It took me a very long time to totally let go of those beliefs that had been so engrained in myself as a child. I do think for myself however and I always tell people to ask the "Why?" questions whenever I hear someone spew non sensical blather that they accept as fact simply because thats what they were taught. You have to figure out the big questions for yourself. If I ever have children I am definetly not going to force my beliefs on them its something that every person has to find within themself.

On a side note chic's in youth groups are whore's and put out at every "lock-in" type event or outdoor activity...at least the ones in my youth groups did. I got my first BJ in a church bathroom on a wednesday night. Praise Jeesus. Lol.
 
cuthroat said:
On a side note chic's in youth groups are whore's and put out at every "lock-in" type event or outdoor activity...at least the ones in my youth groups did. I got my first BJ in a church bathroom on a wednesday night. Praise Jeesus. Lol.
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This is very true!! Sounds like something ATW would say. I wish he were here to chime in on this too.
 
I think you need to be learning how to tell funny/interesting stories :)

I was waiting for the punch at the end but the only punch I got was in my face
 
If shit hits the fan - religious people will look after each other, shelter each other, protect each other.

You will never see athiests band together.

So religion has it's advantages - mainly bringing people together. I've never seen a sunday athiest meeting or bbq.

r
 
Cardinal Slin said:
and in general you will never really see them plotting against other religions either
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No. But if some dictator wants to massacre all of them - they are sitting ducks. First thing someone who wants to commit genocide does - is outlaw religion.

Religion has goods, not only bads. I haven't seen athiests hold a fundraiser for a fellow athiest who needs a liver transplant. Maybe i'm wrong, but I sure haven't seen one.

Ask a Native American what life would be like without a religion/creator to believe in when things are tough. Where do athiests get their faith from? American Idol?

If barbarians came here, and started slaughtering americans left,right and center - there are a lot of athiests who would become religious pretty fucking quick, and would run to the nearest church for protection in 0.2 seconds.

btw: If u got shot and mugged and killed tomorrow on your way to the ATM - most likely it will be a guy who really isn't religious. People need to stop and realize that, just like humans, NOT ALL religions are the same.

I just love when people generalize in life. It screams to me their lack of understanding in this world (all blaque people are criminals! all women are evil!).

r
 
Razorguns said:
I haven't seen athiests hold a fundraiser for a fellow athiest who needs a liver transplant. Maybe i'm wrong, but I sure haven't seen one.



r
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It's hardly as if CNBC, CNN or any local media are going to title a story 'Atheiest holds fundraiser for fellow athiest'

It would read however emotional the media can make it and being atheist is not what sales news...

Father of five holds fundraiser
War veteran holds fundraiser
and so on...
 
Razorguns said:
If shit hits the fan - religious people will look after each other, shelter each other, protect each other.

You will never see athiests band together.

So religion has it's advantages - mainly bringing people together. I've never seen a sunday athiest meeting or bbq.

r
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well atheism also isn't an organized religion. as an atheist, I don't feel the need to find others to validate my thoughts... i'm confident that they make sense all by myself.

so when i get together for a "sunday meeting" (wtf?) or bbq, it's with people I love, and want to be with. not people who's beliefs have to be the same as mine.
 
Razorguns said:
No. But if some dictator wants to massacre all of them - they are sitting ducks. First thing someone who wants to commit genocide does - is outlaw religion.

Religion has goods, not only bads. I haven't seen athiests hold a fundraiser for a fellow athiest who needs a liver transplant. Maybe i'm wrong, but I sure haven't seen one.

Ask a Native American what life would be like without a religion/creator to believe in when things are tough. Where do athiests get their faith from? American Idol?

If barbarians came here, and started slaughtering americans left,right and center - there are a lot of athiests who would become religious pretty fucking quick, and would run to the nearest church for protection in 0.2 seconds.

btw: If u got shot and mugged and killed tomorrow on your way to the ATM - most likely it will be a guy who really isn't religious. People need to stop and realize that, just like humans, NOT ALL religions are the same.

I just love when people generalize in life. It screams to me their lack of understanding in this world (all blaque people are criminals! all women are evil!).

r
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where do atheists get their faith in WHAT?
this shows you really can't comprehend what an atheist is, sorry.

your analogy that if i got mugged on my way to the atm is interesting. i'm pretty darn sure I could find instances of killings that happened BECAUSE of religion... so i don't think i'd go to that scorecard if i were you.
 
stilleto said:
where do atheists get their faith in WHAT?
this shows you really can't comprehend what an atheist is, sorry.

your analogy that if i got mugged on my way to the atm is interesting. i'm pretty darn sure I could find instances of killings that happened BECAUSE of religion... so i don't think i'd go to that scorecard if i were you.
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First off, chances of that happening in the US are what <0.01%, chances of you being mugged by an athiest at the ATM are far higher. Lookup crime in religious areas of the country vs areas of the country not religious. If this country erupts into civil war - i'm busting my ass over to the bible belt areas. You can have fun in the inner-city.

Anwyays, bottomline is you're GENERALIZING religion. That's like me GENERALIZING that all women are stupid, or all blaques commit crimes.

All religions are NOT all the same. Clearly you should be able to figure that out. Feel free to tell a Jew that his religion is evil because Christians 500 years ago tortured people.

'No atheists have gotten together to raise funds for another atheists liver transplant.'

Hitler and Stalin were atheists.

btw: Homework for you. Please post how many Americans were murdered in this country last century in the name of Christianity, Hindiusm, Judaism and even Wiccan. Please post numbers.

btw2: If you go to prison - you're gonna feel safer hanging with 1) the prisoners who have found God or 2) Prisoners who don't care about God. Why is that?

r
 
btw, do you really think more people get mugged at an atm (btw, i DID get mugged at an atm and the guy was not an atheist. He died as a result of the mugging, that's how i know)?
the whole israeli thing, abortion bombings by christian zealots, the kkk (those guys aren't atheists...), there's more atm muggings by atheists than all of that? c'mon.
 
stilleto said:
show me where i've generalized about religion.
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i'm pretty darn sure I could find instances of killings that happened BECAUSE of religion.


What could you be inferring here? Human Discussion is 50% fact and 50% what people are trying to say between the lines. Remember your homework: post up crime stats in religious vs non-religious areas of the US.

If you're trying to say radical butcher oppressive murdering muslims in Iraq are the same as peaceful happy supportive law abiding Jews in LA - there's not really much I can do for you ma'am.

r
 
it's proven more Christians are in jail then atheists. so in fact one is not better than the other.

Some people in religion think they are above other people. they are just ignorant and should realize every person of any religion is equal.
 
I can't believe rg typed the words "maybe I'm wrong" in this thread. As for the rest of what he's said here, it's just about all nonsensical (classic), except for that one kernel of truth: Religion does have good aspects. Unfortunately, no one here said otherwise.
 
Razorguns said:
i'm pretty darn sure I could find instances of killings that happened BECAUSE of religion.


What could you be inferring here? Human Discussion is 50% fact and 50% what people are trying to say between the lines. Remember your homework: post up crime stats in religious vs non-religious areas of the US.

If you're trying to say radical butcher oppressive murdering muslims in Iraq are the same as peaceful happy supportive law abiding Jews in LA - there's not really much I can do for you ma'am.

r
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that's not a generalization, that's a fact. you said atheists don't hold fund raisers for eachother. that's true, because atheism isn't an organized religion. being organized DOES mean that killing happens more often for religion than for atheism too.

i'll find you some facts when i get to work, okay?
 
btw, what i was inferring is that I could find a lot more instances of killings happening because of religion, than i could about atheists at atm's...

“BAGHDAD:At least 40 women have died this year at the hands of religious vigilantes in the southern city of Basra, the police chief said Sunday, describing the discovery of mutilated bodies accompanied by dire notes warning against “violating Islamic teachings.”


“A Hindu woman has been killed as police have tried to control more violence between Christians and Hindus in the eastern Indian state of Orissa.

They say that the violence began in the state’s Kandhamal district when a Hindu mob attacked a Christian priest.


“Reports from exiles along the frontier confirmed that hundreds of monks had simply “disappeared” as 20,000 troops swarmed around Rangoon yesterday to prevent further demonstrations by religious groups and civilians.


“Violence against Christian evangelical and Messianic Jewish communities in Israel increased significantly during the period between July 1, 2007 and June 30, 2008, according to the US State Department’s Annual Report on International Religious Freedom. The report, released last week, put blame for the “tensions” on “certain Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities.”


Police in eastern India killed at least three people when they opened fire on a group of hard-line Hindus who set fire to a police station during ongoing clashes between Hindus and Christians, officials said Friday.

“JAKARTA, Indonesia — A dozen Christian men were convicted Thursday and sentenced to up to 14 years in jail for beating to death and beheading two Muslims to avenge the government executions of three Christians in Indonesia last year.

Five other Christians received eight-year terms for burying the pair, who were set upon by a mob as they drove though a Christian neighborhood on Sulawesi island a day after the Sept. 22, 2006, executions of Fabianus Tibo and two other Christian militants.


ONE in four young American Muslims thinks suicide bombing of civilians is justified to defend their religion, at least sometimes, according to a new report.


GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - “Hamas gunmen fatally shot six bodyguards from the rival Fatah movement and mistakenly ambushed a jeep carrying their own fighters, killing five. In all, 16 people were killed in the bloodiest day of Palestinian infighting since violence broke out in the Gaza Strip four days ago.”


17 Year Old Stoned to Death in Iraq for Loving Boy of Wrong Religion

“Five people, including two Muslim children, have been killed by suspected Islamic rebels in separate attacks in Thailand’s violence-torn south, police have said.


“Secondary school pupils in north-eastern Nigeria have killed a teacher after apparently accusing her of desecrating the Koran, police say.
 
lol at atheists and atms...what the fudge. You should find it difficult (at best) to prove that a violent act has anything to do with a lack of belief in god. To say that such a belief may prevent some individuals from engaging in criminal or violent behaviour, while possible true, is not sufficient.
 
stilleto said:
that's not a generalization, that's a fact. you said atheists don't hold fund raisers for eachother. that's true, because atheism isn't an organized religion. being organized DOES mean that killing happens more often for religion than for atheism too.

i'll find you some facts when i get to work, okay?
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You still don't get it do you?

Athiests find the NEED to put down God, look at your own thread - how you're laughing at your daughter going to a church event and she's not religious. Your insinuation is the religious people are bozos.

If you don't want to believe in anything - go right ahead. I don't care. Religion has done lots of good. Ask any Native American, Jew, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist. They'll tell you millions of stories of people coming together, helping each other, praying for each other, protecting each other, etc.

lol @ posting islam articles. What did I just say?

Here, I'll say it again:

RELIGIONS ARE NOT ALL THE SAME

You can post those articles all day. I can post an article of a tibetan monk who lives in peace in LA all day. So what?

I think you and your daughter need to go to a Hindu or Sikh temple and spend a day there. Notice how people come together and help one another. You two need to get step away from CNN and get a little culture in your lives and look around. Yes that means getting out of the house and talking to people who don't look like you.

Because when this American society experiment crashes and burns soon - guess which buildings people will run to. Or my example: you go to jail, where will you feel safer: general population, or the inmates who found god?

btw: I'm an Athiest too but I was raised by Jews. But I do believe someone 'created' us. Everything in the universe has a creator.

r
 
Razorguns said:
You still don't get it do you?

Athiests find the NEED to put down God, look at your own thread - how you're laughing at your daughter going to a church event and she's not religious. Your insinuation is the religious people are bozos.r
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hold up. I didn't put down god. i haven't insinuated anything, other than i think what my daughter did was cute. if you think i insinuated something, that's your insecurity about your religion speaking, not mine.

You asked me for examples, and I showed you, and now you're back peddling because i proved my point.


you also contradicted yourself here:
"btw: If u got shot and mugged and killed tomorrow on your way to the ATM - most likely it will be a guy who really isn't religious. People need to stop and realize that, just like humans, NOT ALL religions are the same.

I just love when people generalize in life. It screams to me their lack of understanding in this world (all blaque people are criminals! all women are evil!)."

it's you who's generalizing. I never said a bad word about religion, you did. :)
 
LOL All I gotta say is "Thank Allah or should it be Beelzebub? ...that apparently Jesus lives in prison, ....you know, where ALL of the inmates find him. Unless the inmate is black. Then he seems to find Mohammed or is it that he decides to change his name to Mohamed?"

It is a FACT that more evil has been committed by man in "the name of god" (or some god) than has been committed in the name of the devil.

However, if you don't believe in either of those entities then I suppose you just rape, pillage, slaughter and abuse because you like the way it makes you feel like you are in control and have power?

I wouldn't know as I've never broken the law or harmed anyone <--- pretty fukkin fantastic feat for "THE DEVIL"... wouldn't ya'll say?

I think the gyst of this thread is NOT that Stiletto or her daughter were making fun of "the religious folk" arround her daughter but that it was IRONIC that her daughter was accepted by those people because she was a nice person that was fun to be around and NOT because of her "shared religious beliefs".... or was the irony in that these peeps ONLY accepted her daughter because she felt pressure to feign those beliefs to gain acceptance?... which = the antithesis of what most christian-based organize religions are about.
 
also Razor... you keep screaming the same thing, and nobody has disagreed with you. yes, religions are not all the same. no shit sherlock.

and yes, religion does good too. so?

what does that have to do with the price of beans or the fact that my daughter likes the youth group even though she thinks the religious part is silly, and I think it's funny? you're on some big "defend religion" campaign and nobody has fought you on it.

perhaps your insecurity lies within your own beliefs, rg. Cause mine are firm.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
LOL All I gotta say is "Thank Allah or should it be Beelzebub? ...that apparently Jesus lives in prison, ....you know, where ALL of the inmates find him. Unless the inmate is black. Then he seems to find Mohammed or is it that he decides to change his name to Mohamed?"

It is a FACT that more evil has been committed by man in "the name of god" (or some god) than has been committed in the name of the devil.

However, if you don't believe in either of those entities then I suppose you just rape, pillage, slaughter and abuse because you like the way it makes you feel like you are in control and have power?

I wouldn't know as I've never broken the law or harmed anyone <--- pretty fukkin fantastic feat for "THE DEVIL"... wouldn't ya'll say?

I think the gyst of this thread is NOT that Stiletto or her daughter were making fun of "the religious folk" arround her daughter but that it was IRONIC that her daughter was accepted by those people because she was a nice person that was fun to be around and NOT because of her "shared religious beliefs".... or was the irony in that these peeps ONLY accepted her daughter because she felt pressure to feign those beliefs to gain acceptance?... which = the antithesis of what most christian-based organize religions are about.
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:)
YES. thank you.
 
I was an alter boy in grade school only because they went on the best field trips in spring
 
I am not certain if I think that children NEED to be taught to believe in any god. But I do feel 100% that they should be taught an organized system of beliefs; morality should be instilled from a very early age. I do believe that all children NEED to have that foundation of having some sort of way of determining right from wrong. 'Course as we get older and life gets more complex those lines that were so black and white when we were 6 years old start to blurr as we enter puberty and once life hands a us a few "rug pullings" then we realize as we lay there on our backs, stars around us that there is no black and white but merely varying shades of GREY.

I believe then that it should be our desire to help rather than harm that should guide us. No belief in any entity need be necessary for that to take place if that foundation has been built and expanded upon.

I was asked the other day by a Christian, "What do you mean you don't believe in God. Are you saying that we, as creations are merely genetic happenstances, that we are all here by accident?... How can you as an artist say that your art created itself, did not YOUR HANDS create it?"

I answered that I don't particularly feel the need to question how I got here or why I am here. I am glad that I am here and the "why" is up to me to determine, again, no belief in a creator necessary for those thoughts. I finished by saying IF there is a god and I face him/her after I leave this earth what will he/she say to me, "My child though you lived your life in such a way that you never intentionally harmed anyone and you ALWAYS TRIED to do good. You were flawed. You made mistakes. But you always admitted guilt, made ammends and try to rectify the situation when you could and you most certainly made a conscious decision to learn from those mistakes so as not to repeat them."

If god is a loving god then based on these FACTS, I will be forgiven for not believing because I lived my life as one who does.

If there is no god and all we have left after we leave our bodies is the legacy of how we affected those who we touched then I will STILL be in the clear. :)

Win/win situation for me, no organized religion required.

If an organized religion does good for a body then I think it is a good thing. But I should also be allowed the same acceptance and respect if I choose to reject organized religion.
 
stilleto said:
churchy fun?
lol
i called my son into my room and asked him if he believed in god. He said he didn't think so, but he thinks he does believe in heaven and hell. I said, "It sounds like you might be agnostic". He said, "I sound like i might be obnoxious?"

my son is jeff spiccoli.
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yeah, churchy fun such as picnics, hikes, camp outs, that sorta think...makes me nostalgic thinking about it, when i was an innocent.
it never was about gay marriage, or evolution, or my god is better than yours.
all about fun and teaching morals that eclipse all religons...great memories
 
What religion am I?

I honestly have no idea.

- I believe in the possibility of God/s.
-I believe that if the Gods wanted me to know about them. I would know, definitively.
- I do not have blind faith.
- I do not believe any thing written in a bible or ancient religious text. Can be considered factual.
- I pray on occasion, and feel touched and empowered by that prayer.
-I believe in the possibility of a heaven/hell/afterlife.


When I first moved to texas, that was one of the first questions people asked me, "what religion are you?" I've never been asked that before in my life and I didn't have an answer. I really don't care to know, assuming there is a "label" for me. I have many friends of different religions and I find it interesting learning about their beliefs.

I'm completely comfortable in my views, and feel secure in my faith. I live my life knowing that I only have 1 chance on this earth to live it right, I'm going to live my life to the fullest, and do as much good as I can. If their is a heaven, I feel confident in that I have live a positive life and would be worthy of admission.

I would never dream of knocking over an ATM.
 
Jocques Straap said:
What religion am I?

I honestly have no idea.

- I believe in the possibility of God/s.
-I believe that if the Gods wanted me to know about them. I would know, definitively.
- I do not have blind faith.
- I do not believe any thing written in a bible or ancient religious text. Can be considered factual.
- I pray on occasion, and feel touched and empowered by that prayer.
-I believe in the possibility of a heaven/hell/afterlife.


When I first moved to texas, that was one of the first questions people asked me, "what religion are you?" I've never been asked that before in my life and I didn't have an answer. I really don't care to know, assuming there is a "label" for me. I have many friends of different religions and I find it interesting learning about their beliefs.

I'm completely comfortable in my views, and feel secure in my faith. I live my life knowing that I only have 1 chance on this earth to live it right, I'm going to live my life to the fullest, and do as much good as I can. If their is a heaven, I feel confident in that I have live a positive life and would be worthy of admission.

I would never dream of knocking over an ATM.
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Agnostic, dude.
"agnostic - a person who claims that they cannot have true knowledge about the existence of God (but does not deny that God might exist)"

i'm an atheist, and wouldn't mug someone at an atm either.:heart:
 
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