lol@libs

[jackangel]

there's a typo up there. instead of "call", it should say "inflate."

 

[layinback]

Just playing devils advocate here...I know i'm not going to change your opinion on this matter, and you most likely won't change mine but I do see your side of things I just so happen to think my viewpoint is better

you have some valid points! i really don't wanna change your mind. i've been
reading your post and interacting with you on and off for three years and i
respect your view points. you have a logical rationale for most of what you say
and you are confident and comftorable enough to be challenged.

i was challenging puddmonkey because i smell blood lol. he's a guy who works
with nets and stunt doubles. he's an emotional thinker and inflexible. i love
challenging peeps like that..... they don't seem to like it so much.

my 19 year old son has a drug addiction. it's very serious and it's tearing my
heart out. we have a horrible predisposition for alcoholism / addiction.
with all my money, resources and love, i am powerless to help him.

 

[layinback]

If you understand the true nature of addiction you understand addicts are not going to curb their use because of risks associated with use such as dirty needles and crack pipes that cut mouths.
The differing philosophies are the conflict involved with this.

Viewpoint 1. Believes making drug use as safe as possible by trying to eliminate the secondary risks is a worthwhile endeavor because addicts will use no matter what. So may as well make the experience strictly about the drug and not the associated risks. Believes by and large addicts cant stop using and will risk their lives in other ways to get high.

Viewpoint 2. Believes assisting drug users to get high in a safe manner or in a safe environment enables the users to do drugs above beyond what they already were currently doing and legitimizes the drug use itself. Believes by and large addicts can stop using so we shouldnt help them get high or make it easier/safer for them to get high.

you've framed our arguement in a concise digestible way. i would expect
nothing less from you, dave. sometimes it takes me 2 hrs to watch 60 minutes!

 

[puddlemonkey]

I guess I should be polite and respond to your post, although your weak retorts leave me with little motivation to do so.

personal insults are the defense of a man who lacks solid ideas.

A man who thinks crackheads are precious deserves to be insulted.

flawed logic based on anecdotal evidence and the premise that drug addicts
are sociopaths.

I was referring to you, personally, since you brought it up in another thread recently. Not sure why I'm telling you this, you already knew it was a shot at you as shown in post #61.

drug addicts and alcoholics can lead productive lives as
evidenced by the millions who've recovered over the past 60 years in AA.

Way to throw alcoholics in there with the crackies. Nobody was talking about alcoholics. Were you afraid without the alcoholics your millions quickly turn into <1,000?

on this we agree. violent repeat offenders need to be removed from society,
one way or the other.

That's been my point the entire time, thanks for subscribing.

are you suggesting that we kill drug addicts?

Yes, the violent ones with long rap sheets. Where the hell have you been this entire time?

your plan sounds like hitler, mussolini and osama bin ladens plan.
kill everything that you don't understand or disagree with.

You scared?

You keep putting words in my mouth, my previous post clearly showed I am in favor of killing repeat violent criminals. Has nothing to do with faith, religion, fascism or race. You're starting to sound like someone struggling to defend their point of view.

i have flaws

Yes, but you should save some of them for other threads.

dood all life is precious. if we follow your philosophy we would kill
the debilitated elderly and mentally retarded .

You're no longer playing too deep in left field to get a play on the ball, you've now moved on to another ballpark completely.

Last time I checked, the elderly and retarded aren't notorious for robbing and killing people for crack.

puddles you are an ok guy but you're in over your head.

lol

when you engage in an
argument with a formidable opponenet, you can't operate backwards.

You're not even operating, you've got the wrong batteries in or something.

 

[puddlemonkey]

i was challenging puddmonkey because i smell blood lol. he's a guy who works
with nets and stunt doubles. he's an emotional thinker and inflexible. i love
challenging peeps like that..... they don't seem to like it so much.

You've yet to challenge me in any way, shape or form. All you've done thus far is make stuff up unrelated to the topic and chase your own tail like a dog.

 

[puddlemonkey]

my 19 year old son has a drug addiction. it's very serious and it's tearing my
heart out. we have a horrible predisposition for alcoholism / addiction.
with all my money, resources and love, i am powerless to help him.

This explains why you've taken offense to my posts/opinions. I'll leave it alone now, I'm not looking to make you crazy in the head like I used to jon79.

 

[layinback]

ahhhhhhh. this explains your comment about how weak it is to depend on other peeps. " i don't need anybody" attitude. your inordinate time on internet chat boards. endless procession of casual relationships.
1000.00 bucks to a donut, you don't travel much or break routine. you hoard "stuff" and have a difficult time letting go, literally and metaphorically . being wrong , admitting flaws and general introspective
thought is a foreign concept. not married and hold others who are in a secret contempt. " i'm smarter than that." you think with a smug confidence. YOU CANNOT TOLERATE BEING CHALLENGED!
anything that even resembles being vunerable or experiencing intimacy is shunned like the plague! your cynicism and critical humor is a thin veil that hides a deep fear of being imperfect. you openly admit
to abusing xanax and lortab but you don't count that as a drug like heroin or crack.

but i'm just another internet crack pot. who cares what i think? what do i know? you should discount everything i say and rest in the satisfaction that i'm another EF nut case.

btw, alcoholics, true pure alcoholics who don't do drugs have a much harder time recovering then do druggies. any long term memeber of AA will confirm this. and as predicted you can't defend yourself intellectually
so you resort to insults and cynicism. pudds, being able to negotiate chat boards and spell checking peeps shouldn't be conflated with intelligence.

 

[layinback]

This explains why you've taken offense to my posts/opinions. I'll leave it alone now, I'm not looking to make you crazy in the head like I used to jon79.

my philosophical views are independent of my sons situation. these
views preceded my boys problem.

i am not jon79. i like jon, but i'm in a different place then jon.

anyone reading these post would conclude that you're the one
"getting crazy in the head" lol.

you've been lashing out with accusations and insults.

pudds, i can be a real ass. i'm methodical and calculating. you would
never admit it, but i can profile you and hit your buttons like a slot
machine. i have an ability that cuts both ways. i usually use it in
a productive way, but on occasion i get a lil nasty.

you maintain your "winning" position. you are like the guy in the ring whos had the shit kicked out of him, but he will not lay down......i sorta respect that.
but you'll also resort to playing dirty pool because your ego can't stand it.

 

[layinback]

btw, i have my own set of fucked upness that prolly eclipses yours. i'm sure that my son had some faulty parenting that contributed to his addiction. 15 some odd yaers ago, when he was a baby and toddler, i wasn't as in tune with
my emotional self. i think i taught him to get bigger, smarter and quicker than his problems. this is a maladaptive strategy in life. furthermore, between my marriages, he and his brother witnessed my womanizing. i feel like i've
let him down. i am not ok pudds, you are right about that.

 

[JayC9]

they can always dispense tubes of bacofoil on the days they're out of pipes, bonus

give a man a fish, you feed him for a day
teach a crackhead glassblowing…