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Levorex + Green Tea extract = puking

ophira

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I'm training for a Half Ironman (in June) and I want a little kick to get through the hours of training.

I've used T-rex before with no side effects other than an intense speedy feeling, but this time, I can't stomach it. It makes me feel like I'm going to explode out of my skin while projectile vomiting.

So I got some Lexorex and Green Tea extract and decided to give these a shot (I can't seem to remember where I saw this particular combination. I've been searching the boards for the past few days with my limited non plat access and I can't find it. I think I read it in one of Bunny's old logs, but I could be mistaken)

Anyway, the combination makes me *SO* nauseous, despite taking it with a banana or potassium supplement. In fact, when I got to my mid afternoon dose on Tuesday, I actually threw up once it hit my system.
I've stopped taking everything other than my vitamin.

Is this normal? What's going on with me? Help is greatly appreciated!
 
I usually will get sick to my stomach if taking it on empty .. Levorex has a decent amount Green tea in it I thought, adding more may aggravate the situation? Maybe stop take the extra and see if that's what's causing it??

I get that with zinc now pretty bad.. I have to have a complex carb in my system, a large portion to be able to stomach it (zinc) ... even them it still make me feel like blah for like 2 hours, ugh ...
 
Thanks Bunny! What do you take zinc for? Like when you get a cold?
I'm gonna stay off everything till next week, then I'll try your suggestion. I'll let you know if it works :D
 
ophira said:
Thanks Bunny! What do you take zinc for? Like when you get a cold?
I'm gonna stay off everything till next week, then I'll try your suggestion. I'll let you know if it works :D
I was taking that & C for my immune sys rec by a doc ... lol I was so sick I had to cut out the zinc...

the green tea in the one a day (old multi i tried) make me dry heave every morning, the people here thought i was prego. :)

Im sure Mac or ulter will chime in but id cut the dose to see how that works 1st

xx
 
really cant think of any reason other than low blood sugar. Green tea and levorex both have glucose clearance effects. if its not that, am at a loss with the information given.

are you using thermorexin as well?

all those together with what is likely very high intensity training could easily lead to low blood glucose.
 
Wow!

A trip to the doctor yesterday revealed a major biological reason :sperm: for a bunch of my symptoms :D It's scary how out of tune with your body you can be while being so in tune with your body.
Wow...!!

So a different question, have I done any irreparable damage? I only took the Trex once and stopped because the response was so severe, and I've been taking the Lexorex/Tea combo for 2 weeks. I'm 9 weeks along!

This SO explains why my splits have been way off.
 
ophira said:
Wow!

A trip to the doctor yesterday revealed a major biological reason :sperm: for a bunch of my symptoms :D It's scary how out of tune with your body you can be while being so in tune with your body.
Wow...!!

So a different question, have I done any irreparable damage? I only took the Trex once and stopped because the response was so severe, and I've been taking the Lexorex/Tea combo for 2 weeks. I'm 9 weeks along!

This SO explains why my splits have been way off.
:qt: :qt: Oh congratulations! I hope, even if unexpected, that it works out for you!!! My friend said the same thing- one pregnancy she was vomiting and nauseous at everything and working out was a nightmare in the beg..next one she had no morning sickness, symptoms,nothing--could not even tell!! Congrats again!
 
Before my first baby I took hydroxycut with ephedrine. I was having the same problem. Could not keep anything down. About 8 weeks into my pregnancy and 10 weeks into hydroxycut found out I was pregnant! I was worried and told my doctor. They weren't too worried, and my daughter is beautiful and very bright and perfect! Don't worry too much. Eat well and get lots of rest, try not to stress the small stuff. Enjoy this time in your life. I lived off pineapple for months with both my girls! It was all I could eat. Congrats!! :)
 
THanks for all the wishes!
I've been stressing myself out pretty well regarding the coffee and supplements and what not.... I've got my first apt with my ob in a couple weeks. It's my first time and it's all a bit overwhelming. very exciting. again, thanks for all the positive vibes :)
 
your single use of thermorexin is fine, would not reccomend further use until pregnancy and breast feeding are finished.

as for green tea the research seems to indicate that its fine. With levorex, there is no significant fetal research on all the ingredients in order to make a reccomendation.

some studies on green tea

1: J Pharm Sci. 2006 Jun;95(6):1372-81. Links
Pharmacokinetic studies of green tea catechins in maternal plasma and fetuses in rats.Chu KO, Wang CC, Chu CY, Chan KP, Rogers MS, Choy KW, Pang CP.
Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, The Chinese University of Hong Kong, 3/F, Hong Kong Eye Hospital, 147K, Argyle Street, Kowloon, Hong Kong.

We carried out a pharmacokinetic study to determine the levels and profiles of catechins in pregnant rats and their fetuses after ingestion of green tea extract (GTE). We measured total catechin levels after enzyme digestions. Dams, at 15.5 days of gestation, were fed with GTE and catechins were measured in the maternal plasma, placenta, and fetus 0, 0.5, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 10, 12, 16, and 20 h after maternal GTE intake. The pharmacokinetic changes were analyzed by non compartmental models. We found that maternal plasma concentrations of catechins were about 10 times higher than in placenta and 50-100 times higher than in the fetus. AUC and Cmax levels of (-)-epicatechin (EC) were the highest in plasma while the levels of (-)-epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) were the highest in the placenta and the fetus. The exposure level of catechin derivatives was higher than the gallate derivatives in maternal plasma after normalization but reversed in the placenta and fetus. The absorption of epi-isomers in plasma was found to be more favorable than their non epi-isomer counterparts. EGCG had the highest level of exposure (AUC) and the highest Cmax in the fetus, implying it may have potential for in utero antioxidant protection. (c) 2006 Wiley-Liss, Inc. and the American Pharmacists Association


1: Food Chem Toxicol. 2006 May;44(5):651-61. Epub 2006 Jan 10. Links
Safety studies on epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) preparations. Part 3: teratogenicity and reproductive toxicity studies in rats.Isbrucker RA, Edwards JA, Wolz E, Davidovich A, Bausch J.
Burdock Group, 888 17th Street, N.W., Suite 810, Washington, DC 20006, USA.

Green tea and its principal active ingredient, epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG), have been demonstrated to have anticancer properties through interactions with multiple biochemical processes. Since these processes are often crucial in normal fetal development it is important to evaluate the potential effects of EGCG on the fetus. EGCG preparations of >91% purity were administered to pregnant rats during organogenesis and development in order to define the safety of Teavigo, a high-concentration EGCG extract produced by the same novel method. In an initial preliminary study using subcutaneous and gavage routes, there was no evidence of any direct embryo-fetal toxicity, although some maternal toxicity was seen. In the main teratogenicity study, feeding pregnant rats diets supplemented at 1400, 4200 or 14,000 ppm during organogenesis was non-toxic to dams or fetuses. A two-generation study in rats fed 1200, 3600 or 12,000 ppm EGCG preparation showed no adverse effects on reproduction or fertility. The highest dose reduced the growth rate of offspring, and there was a slight increase in pup loss. A growth effect among pups was also seen at 3600 ppm, but in the second generation only. The lowest dose was considered the overall no-observed adverse effect level (NOAEL). As dams consumed twice the amount of feed during the crucial lactation period, the NOAEL was equivalent to 200 mg/kg/day EGCG preparation.

1: J Obstet Gynaecol Res. 2006 Feb;32(1):23-31. Links
Natural nutrient mixture effectively reduces collagen matrix contraction driven by human uterine smooth muscle cells.Ivanov V, Roomi MW, Kalinovsky T, Niedzwiecki A, Rath M.
Matthias Rath Research Institute, Santa Clara, California, USA.

AIM: Abnormal uterine myometrial contractility causes preterm delivery, contributing to perinatal morbidity and mortality. Disturbances in hormonal regulation and inflammation-related processes have been attributed a role in the pathophysiological mechanisms of uterine contractility. We investigated the effects of natural nutrients on uterine tissue contractility in vitro. METHODS: We used an in vitro model of collagen I gel contraction driven by embedded cultured human uterine smooth muscle cells (SMC). The effects of tested compounds were evaluated using their capacity to affect gel contraction (measured by reduction in gel area during 24-h incubation in serum free medium). Cellular expression of matrix metalloproteinases (MMP) was followed by gel zymography. RESULTS: Collagen gel contraction driven by uterine SMC was significantly stimulated by potassium chloride, pituitary hormone oxytocin and by inflammatory cytokine alpha-tumor necrosis factor (TNF-alpha). Accelerated gel contraction was accompanied by elevated secretion of MMP-2 and MMP-9 into cell culture media. Among a variety of purified bioflavonoids and polyphenol-enriched plant extracts tested for their ability to counteract uterine SMC-dependent collagen gel contraction, the strongest effects were demonstrated by epigallocatechin gallate and green tea leaf extract, respectively. The addition of ascorbic acid and the amino acids lysine, arginine, cysteine and proline to green tea extract further increased its effectiveness. A reduction in gel contraction correlated with decreased MMP expression. CONCLUSION: Based on these findings, we found that nutrients can effectively counteract uterine myometrial contraction and MMP activity in vitro, suggesting that pathophysiological mechanisms of abnormal uterine myometrial contractility can be counteracted by a combination of naturally occurring nutrients. These mechanisms might involve extracellular matrix remodeling.
 
ophira said:
Wow!

A trip to the doctor yesterday revealed a major biological reason :sperm: for a bunch of my symptoms :D It's scary how out of tune with your body you can be while being so in tune with your body.
Wow...!!

So a different question, have I done any irreparable damage? I only took the Trex once and stopped because the response was so severe, and I've been taking the Lexorex/Tea combo for 2 weeks. I'm 9 weeks along!

This SO explains why my splits have been way off.

I was also taking green tea and hydroxycut and I had found out 18weeks along that I was preggas. My little one is fine. But know that you know you are preggas I'd stop all products and hit the folic acid and multi's :)
 
Macro - I did tell the doc about the supps (THAT was a long list) and the coffee and the wine and she told me it was all okay - just get on the wagon now.
So I'm officially on.

And Gymmum, I'm all over the folic acid and pre-natal sups! Happily, a tasty natural source of extra folic is hummus, so I have made it my duty to include it a few times a week :D
 
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