kung fu....why bother?

[gjohnson5]

Diversity. The kung fu guys I've worked with are versed in ways of ending a fight in a few seconds. Those generally involve striking a sensative spot on the body wheather it be a joint or a pressure point. To get at some spots you really need a knife or a spear, and hence knife fighting is an art in kung fu. Obviously in a tournament that has rules this isn't allowed so It's good to know grappling and the palms out style BRR is in to along with the kung fu.

 

[Djimbe]

I understood your point from the get go. So if someone competes and trains strictly in San Shou for San Shou they must have no style to claim as there own?

Actually , Im saying the complete OPPOSITE of that .

look , wether or not the guy KNOWS it or not , the way that San Da players kick , the way that , say Savate players kick , and the way that Muay Thai players throw THE SAME KICK is different .

Why ?

Because of the Base art that they came from .

IGNORING that art , letting its name be Forgotten , etc , dosent erase that fact in the least . A Northern Chinese San Shou camp , wether it likes it or not , is going to fight with some aspects of Xingyi (or whatever) flavour in their combat . They arent going to all of a sudden start kicking like the Thai or the French because they CHOSE to call themselves "San Da School" now . Militetch camp still grapples like Western Wrestling , and Boxes like W. Boxing . They can CALL themselves whatever the hell they like . Thats Ego , and Labelling . Basically just semantics . Whats the flavour of their Movement ? What Principles are their Techniques Rooted in ? THATS what matters .

The sport develops a style in this case and the style doesn't develop the sport. I would call modern MMA a style. Because there is a formalized judging and scoring process doesn't make something not a style.

So WHAT ?

When Team Gracie , American Top Team , Northern Lights Tai Chi , Militetch Camp , and Whatever the hell Sakuraba does all starts to look the same , Train the same , and fight the same , THEN it will be a "Style" . Until that time , its a ruleset , and nothing more .

Judo is a style, but has loads of rules attached.

You cant POSSIBLY compare the two things . Judo's techs were codified by ONE governing body , and taught from ONE wellspring . They , ALL of them come from the same system of JuJutsu . Judo is a style , and RANDORI is a Sport , or rather has a Sportive aspect to it . Even thought they CALL it that , youre not actually JUDGING a "Judo" youre judging a Randori between to compeditors . Its really just bad use of linguistics on the part of MAists , in the end .

 

[Djimbe]

oh dear...what have I started here? I could pull apart your post, like you did mine, but I really couldn't be bothered. Check out the video, and see it for what its worth - a laugh at traditional martial arts against a more modern style.

And actually I did watch you wee vid , and the fact is there was niothing to indicate that either school was more "Traditional" than the other , unless in your book "Traditional" is a codeword for "Sucky" .

One school has good training , the other did not . So what does that say about the style , exactly ? There are LOADS of Muay Thai schools out there , youre telling me ALL of their Students become Tony Jaas ?

Youre KIDDING , right ?

There are shite Boxing Gys , and Wrestling schools too *GHASP*

Sorry to introduce you to reality .

As for your quote - "Many of whom could wipe the floor with your Kyokushin buddy without breaking a sweat ". Look around for any info on Akira Masuda. He is the real deal.

So what ? Hes the baddest man on the planet now ?

No .

Im simply stating that there are DOZENS if not HUNDEREDS of good traditional MA schools in this country alone . And any of them have students that could stand up to anyone that he has trained .

YOU look up Ho Kam Ming , Wang Shu Jiin , David Bond Chan , or Wai Lun Choi . All of whom have full Contact experience above and beyond that that youre used to , and all of whom produce top quality students .

You saw a VIDEO that proves that one SCHOOL and perhaps one TEACHER produces better fighters than another . GOODY FOR YOU . The fact that you think that this says ANYTHING about their STYLE or SYSTEM is SO rediculous as to e laughable . Think upon this before the next time you issue a post calling ANYONE "retard" (as in another , now-closed thread) , will you ?

The fact is that while this particular school might be GREAT the best school in MY hometown might just be Capoiera , and in YOURS it might just be Tai Chi Chuan , and in NYC it just might be Xingyi . You sit around and start making blanket statements like you have and you may make someone miss out on a GREAT teacher and Mentor that was just within their grasp due to YOUR childish stylistic predjudices .

Grow Up , and GET OVER styles .

Teacher > Style

&

Individual > Training > Style .

ALWAYS .


Once again , you Regurgitate the popular as if it were fact , but its obvious that you lack the breath of experience needed to provide yhour own judgements on the issue . I have been involved in the Martial Arts for over 35 years , and The one thing I can tell you is that you cannot tell dedication to your Art by the name of the art itself .

And Ive TOO many times seen the "MMA ToughGuy" get embarrased by the ALLEGED "TKD Fool" .

 

[casualbb]

dudes, y'all are taking this too personally. end the fight, both of ya.

 

[Kane Fan]

can anyone put the vids here so I can download them I dont' have kazaa

 

[Djimbe]

dudes, y'all are taking this too personally. end the fight, both of ya.

I really dont see how , man . Im really just expressing my Opinion on MA , and the guy resorts to Name_calling/Personal Attacks without being able to defend his position on the matters/Issues at hand . I think that considering what was thrown at me I didnt swing back .

 

[gjohnson5]

the guy resorts to Name_calling/Personal Attacks without being able to defend his position on the matters/Issues at hand .

Get used to that...

 

[Djimbe]

Oh THAT part dosent bother me . I mean , when you shine the Light of Truth on someones Illusiory Heroes theyre bound to Buck at you , thats cool . Ive been in MA long enough to know that people tend to put the guys that get on the Mag Covers up on a peadestal wether they deserve it or not - but I dont like being told by a third party that IM the opne taking it badly when Im not even the one getting Personal .

 

[casualbb]

takes two to fight buddy. just don't make "you" statements and it doesn't become a big deal

 

[Djimbe]

The only "You " statements that i made were centered around me asking him NOT to call me a Retard without even having shown any demonstrable Critical Thinking skills himself .