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Kimbo Slice vs Tank Abbott

Taller dudes such as Kimbo will always have a disadvantage on the ground with their longer limbs and distanced pivot points...it's much easier to get them into armbars and such.
 
alien amp pharm said:
Taller dudes such as Kimbo will always have a disadvantage on the ground with their longer limbs and distanced pivot points...it's much easier to get them into armbars and such.
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not sure if armbars are Tank's forte'
 
alien amp pharm said:
Taller dudes such as Kimbo will always have a disadvantage on the ground with their longer limbs and distanced pivot points...it's much easier to get them into armbars and such.
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Aren't they about the same height?
 
that'd be funny if kimbo loses AGAIN to some white dude.

so much of the angry black man from the hood facade.

r
 
alien amp pharm said:
I guess so. I always thought of Tank as short. I guess he's just fat
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Tank's bigger than he looks on TV. I'd say 6'2"-6'3".
 
Hmm, TA looked taller than 6'0" when he came into the bar where I work.

He was with Ming, the Samoan guy.
 
There's nothing Tank can do that Kimbo can't do and Kimbo is in far superior condition. Unless Tank has been committed to serious, pro level training for the past several years and given up the drink, he'll be out of there in under 2 minutes.

Elite signed Tank to boost ratings, put butts in seats, and be cannon fodder for Slice.
 
if theres something ive learned in my 10 or so years of barfights in a rough town, its that you dont write people like TA off. ever. ever ever ever
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
There's nothing Tank can do that Kimbo can't do and Kimbo is in far superior condition. Unless Tank has been committed to serious, pro level training for the past several years and given up the drink, he'll be out of there in under 2 minutes.

Elite signed Tank to boost ratings, put butts in seats, and be cannon fodder for Slice.
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DING DING DING!

I was watching a "Best Knockouts of UFC" compilation and IIRC Tank was in two clips. He went 1-1.

There is no FUCKING way Kimbo loses unless he has a relapse. I watched an interview w/him where he not only admitted to smoking weed, he would sometimes smoke BEFORE the backyard brawls. During training, his motto is "no blunts, no blondes" and from the looks of it, he means it. Also, Bas Rutten doesn't train guys who aren't all in.

If anything, I see Kimbo winning in a decision.
 
Oh yeah and that shave job on his chest/stomach hair is boss.

Anyone know how much the fight's going to be? Or is it just going to be on regular Showtime?
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
There's nothing Tank can do that Kimbo can't do and Kimbo is in far superior condition. Unless Tank has been committed to serious, pro level training for the past several years and given up the drink, he'll be out of there in under 2 minutes.

Elite signed Tank to boost ratings, put butts in seats, and be cannon fodder for Slice.
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Hey JC, when did you become a Moderator? Way to sneak in under the radar.
 
You guys do knwo that Tank Abbot has had a 1-8 record since 1998. The guy has lost 8 out of his last 9 bouts. Kimbo is new and on the rise.
 
Kimbo dropped alot of weight to fight Gannon........and he was still winded after like 30 seconds. Doesn't look like Kimbo dropped into the low 200's........so it's going to be a crappy fight between two guys whom it's very difficult to knock out. So they're going to swing like mad for 20-30 seconds.......than lean on each other while drooling on each others shoulders for the rest of the round. One guy might land one of those "exhaustion" knockouts where the guy who got hit just doesn't want to get up. Crappy fight coming...........no way I'm going to pay for that.
 
Big Rick Rock said:
You guys do knwo that Tank Abbot has had a 1-8 record since 1998. The guy has lost 8 out of his last 9 bouts. Kimbo is new and on the rise.
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Tank fought top ranked UFC veterans.

Kimbo fought unskilled street thugs.

Tank by ground n pound.
 
I think Kimbo will win easily. Tank is washed up and Kimbo has superior stand up fighting skills. Tank relies on his raw power to take people down. Kimbo is too strong. Both of them suck as far as MMA, but I wouldn't want to tangle with either one of them.
 
redsamurai said:
Kimbo dropped alot of weight to fight Gannon........and he was still winded after like 30 seconds. Doesn't look like Kimbo dropped into the low 200's........so it's going to be a crappy fight between two guys whom it's very difficult to knock out. So they're going to swing like mad for 20-30 seconds.......than lean on each other while drooling on each others shoulders for the rest of the round. One guy might land one of those "exhaustion" knockouts where the guy who got hit just doesn't want to get up. Crappy fight coming...........no way I'm going to pay for that.
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Wow I am no expert by any stretch but this post reeks of ignorance.

I do agree that it might be a crappy fight, but only because it might end in a decision, if Tank doesn't have a heart attack first.

Not sure about Tank's chin but I am pretty sure Kimbo's got some good whiskers. And yeah one of those lame exhaustion knockouts is also possible, but only on Tank's part.

Can't wait for this to be a karma bookie event!

And still wondering about the details as far as whether it's on regular Showtime or what.
 
I'll take that Kimbo idiot seriously the day he goes against someone like Fedor. Damn he once said he could take down anyone....
 
only thing tank will really bring is experience in the ring, and a hard right, most likely harder than most that have fought kimbo. (and i say that meaning raw power, not a real "skilled" power) If he does hit kimbo with a clean shot, kimbo will know he was hit. But, kimbo i believe has been training with bas rutten and they say he is learning. whoever has the "killer instinct" that night wins
 
Bas Rutten is a great coach and training with him can improve any fighter's game.
 
Mr. dB said:
Hey JC, when did you become a Moderator? Way to sneak in under the radar.
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I'm officially the sheriff of the Martial Arts Board now. Most of the posters there are cool guys and there's never any spam so I'm pretty limited in what I do. It's been less than a month I think.
 
FISHTALES said:
only thing tank will really bring is experience in the ring, and a hard right, most likely harder than most that have fought kimbo. (and i say that meaning raw power, not a real "skilled" power) If he does hit kimbo with a clean shot, kimbo will know he was hit. But, kimbo i believe has been training with bas rutten and they say he is learning. whoever has the "killer instinct" that night wins
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Tank flat out KO'd Cabbage and that is no small feat. Cabbage took bombs from Tim Silvia without flinching and was battered by Andrei Arlovsky for several rounds before toppling.
 
PICK3 said:
Tank fought top ranked UFC veterans.

Kimbo fought unskilled street thugs.

Tank by ground n pound.
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Gary Turner, Paul Buentello, Cabbage, Kimo, Hidehiko Yoshida, and Frank Mir are nowhere near the top of the MMA food chain and Tank lost handily to them all. Yoshida and Mir are the best of the lot and are fringe competitors at best.
 
how is my post ignorant when you just restated everything I said? I know full well that both have really good chins, I said as much.....which means that if someone doesn't land a hammer shot in the first 20 seconds, the chance for a knockout decreases exponentially after the first 30 seconds. I could of course be wrong and these two guys come out like proffessional fighters and go against everything they've done to date. But something tells me these guys are going to swing for each others sweet spot......and both of them can take bombs. So I still think it's going to be a haymaker war between two guys who aren't exactly reknowned for their stamina. So unless one guy hit's the sweet spot dead on......it's going to be an ogre fight after a minute. But maybe Bas taught Kimbo a few armlocks??......


Lumberg said:
Wow I am no expert by any stretch but this post reeks of ignorance.

I do agree that it might be a crappy fight, but only because it might end in a decision, if Tank doesn't have a heart attack first.

Not sure about Tank's chin but I am pretty sure Kimbo's got some good whiskers. And yeah one of those lame exhaustion knockouts is also possible, but only on Tank's part.

Can't wait for this to be a karma bookie event!

And still wondering about the details as far as whether it's on regular Showtime or what.
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redsamurai said:
how is my post ignorant when you just restated everything I said? I know full well that both have really good chins, I said as much.....which means that if someone doesn't land a hammer shot in the first 20 seconds, the chance for a knockout decreases exponentially after the first 30 seconds. I could of course be wrong and these two guys come out like proffessional fighters and go against everything they've done to date. But something tells me these guys are going to swing for each others sweet spot......and both of them can take bombs. So I still think it's going to be a haymaker war between two guys who aren't exactly reknowned for their stamina. So unless one guy hit's the sweet spot dead on......it's going to be an ogre fight after a minute. But maybe Bas taught Kimbo a few armlocks??......
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First off the crap about Kimbo dropping weight but still getting winded against Gannon--that was way before he started training with Bas Rutten. Bas above all stresses conditioning, conditioning, conditioning. So no exhaustion/drooling from Kimbo, just Tank.

Secondly, Kimbo is going to definitely come out like a professional fighter. And yes, undoubtedly, Bas has taught Kimbo some submission moves, grappling, etc.

It's true that Kimbo is not reknowned for stamina. However he's not reknowned for a marked lack of stamina like Tank. Even in that fight against Gannon, which was an exhaustion knockout, he demonstrated way better stamina than Tank. And that was before he started training w/ Bas.

Finally, to all the people who still doubt Kimbo, you're absolutely right. Kimbo wiping the ring with Tank won't prove anything. But talent has to be developed, you have to groom the newbies and get them up to the level gradually. Same goes for boxers, football players, heck even racehorses.

Kimbo is badass, and he might become a top dawg in MMA. However, it's just as likely that Kimbo will falter once he starts seeing "real" competition. It remains to be seen. And IMO, it will be fun to watch.
 
If what I saw was correct, that Kimbo is still at 265-270.......I just don't see how his conditioning could be better than when he came in against Gannon. For a guy to be conditioned for a long fight at that weight, he'd have to be training "for stamina" at that weight for years. All due respect to Rutten, the guy isn't a miracle worker. If you put Kimbo in Ruttens hands for 2-3 years.........Bas would strip him of all his weight and then bring him back up. To redo someone's physique is hard enough to do anyway, impossible given the time period that Bas has been working with him. Right now Bas is working with Kimbo's strong points. To break Kimbo down and "retool" him simply isn't feasible right now. And the only reason xc brought him in to fight was to be the monster that he is. It may very well be entertaining if both guys just say fuck it and come out like it's a hockey fight.....who knows.


Lumberg said:
First off the crap about Kimbo dropping weight but still getting winded against Gannon--that was way before he started training with Bas Rutten. Bas above all stresses conditioning, conditioning, conditioning. So no exhaustion/drooling from Kimbo, just Tank.

Secondly, Kimbo is going to definitely come out like a professional fighter. And yes, undoubtedly, Bas has taught Kimbo some submission moves, grappling, etc.

It's true that Kimbo is not reknowned for stamina. However he's not reknowned for a marked lack of stamina like Tank. Even in that fight against Gannon, which was an exhaustion knockout, he demonstrated way better stamina than Tank. And that was before he started training w/ Bas.

Finally, to all the people who still doubt Kimbo, you're absolutely right. Kimbo wiping the ring with Tank won't prove anything. But talent has to be developed, you have to groom the newbies and get them up to the level gradually. Same goes for boxers, football players, heck even racehorses.

Kimbo is badass, and he might become a top dawg in MMA. However, it's just as likely that Kimbo will falter once he starts seeing "real" competition. It remains to be seen. And IMO, it will be fun to watch.
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Well, we can agree that we both hope that it's an entertaining fight between two guys with heavy hands and strong chins.
 
Lumberg said:
First off the crap about Kimbo dropping weight but still getting winded against Gannon--that was way before he started training with Bas Rutten. Bas above all stresses conditioning, conditioning, conditioning. So no exhaustion/drooling from Kimbo, just Tank.

Secondly, Kimbo is going to definitely come out like a professional fighter. And yes, undoubtedly, Bas has taught Kimbo some submission moves, grappling, etc.

It's true that Kimbo is not reknowned for stamina. However he's not reknowned for a marked lack of stamina like Tank. Even in that fight against Gannon, which was an exhaustion knockout, he demonstrated way better stamina than Tank. And that was before he started training w/ Bas.

Finally, to all the people who still doubt Kimbo, you're absolutely right. Kimbo wiping the ring with Tank won't prove anything. But talent has to be developed, you have to groom the newbies and get them up to the level gradually. Same goes for boxers, football players, heck even racehorses.

Kimbo is badass, and he might become a top dawg in MMA. However, it's just as likely that Kimbo will falter once he starts seeing "real" competition. It remains to be seen. And IMO, it will be fun to watch.
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saw all of kimbo back yard brawls .. where he knocked out bums .. also saw him get hiz azz kicked by gannon .. tired or watever u wanna say.. hmmm maybe he got better cause of a new great trainer ..but how can we assume this

?
 
kimbo was much more enteraining in the backyard brawls also btw
 
Lumberg said:
Well, we can agree that we both hope that it's an entertaining fight between two guys with heavy hands and strong chins.
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I"ve seen enough ogre fights in my life. The only reason people are hyped about this fight is because alot of people think Kimbo is just a street nigger and want to see a white guy take him down like Gannon did. I actually kind of like Kimbo though.......despite beingt he proverbial silverback you don't want to see walking down the street toward you, he kind of does come across like an ok guy. And in his fights, he's cool when he knocks some dude on his ass.........I"ve never seen him taunt an opponent. I think his annoying lackies are what have made people turn on him. I think if he dropped 30 pounds and got into the kind of conditioning that is required of modern day MMA fighters........he might be real trouble.
 
hurricane187 said:
hmmm maybe he got better cause of a new great trainer ..but how can we assume this

?
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I am not assuming that, I simply think it's more likely than not.

The fun part is going to see whether it's true.
 
bahh imo he will be a middle of the pack fighter at best .. hiz backyard brawls were the shyttt ! now he like hip-hop gone mainstream :sleeping: :sleeping:
 
Wow. Hindsight's 20-20 huh?

Lumberg said:
to all the people who still doubt Kimbo, you're absolutely right. Kimbo wiping the ring with Tank won't prove anything. But talent has to be developed, you have to groom the newbies and get them up to the level gradually. Same goes for boxers, football players, heck even racehorses.
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Razorguns said:
Tomorrow:

Kimbo takes on Ric Flair.

r
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Nah, Brock Lesnar. It would still have that circus athmosphere, plus it would be a real fight.

Assuming he wins, then he has to work his way from the cartoonish fringes to the inner core--Mir would be an obvious next choice.
 
Lumberg said:
Nah, Brock Lesnar. It would still have that circus athmosphere, plus it would be a real fight.

Assuming he wins, then he has to work his way from the cartoonish fringes to the inner core--Mir would be an obvious next choice.
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You're not serious?

You think Kimbo could compete with Mir in MMA?
 
Kimbo vs. Mir would boil down to, which would happen first:

Would Mir grab a hold of Kimbo and hold on and apply pressure in the right way

or

Would Kimbo knock Mir silly?

Maybe with a 5-10% chance of Kimbo reversing or slipping a hold and then submitting Mir. That would probably only happen if Mir was a little hurt.
 
I think Kimbo would have a much better chance of fighting someone like Silva, or another striker. Mir gave up huge reach to Silva, and broke his arm. He was the champ for a bit before he got into the motorcycle accident. He didn't lose the title by losing to a man, but broke his leg. The guy is serious good at Jui Jitsu.

Teeing off on a guy at the begining of a match, where he is fresh and moving, is not easy...and the guys at this level have been hit with some pretty serious shots...So Kimbo dropping someone with a knockout to start out would be hard. Who is a good grappler/wrestler that he has fought?

I don't think he would fare well against Lesnar or Mir. Mir said after the fight that he thought he could hit Lesnar coming in on a shot before he got there, but when Lesnar changed levels and shot he was surprised at how quick it was.

He does seem to be a decent guy...and he is trying to fix gaps in his fighting...I just don't know if he can do it.

Tank looked like he trained for the fight by going to pizza hut. He ain't Randy Couture for sure...and Randy has him by a couple of years.
 
PICK3 said:
The fight is Feb 16.

I predict a ground n pound victory for Tank
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agreed 100% Kimbo has no ground skills and his fights are almost always won as a boxing match...... Tank also has a considerable more amount of quality fights than Kimbo....
 
FIrst of all I thought it was awesome. Kimbo was so eager to get it on, he removed the debris from the cage himself (some fan threw a crumpled up magazine into the ring which caused a timeout). He was kind of pushing on the ref's arm like "dude, we're both ready to fight, just let us go at it!"

Then he did everything except sing Tank a lullaby and tuck him into bed.

Seriously, if you were to watch all his past fights, this is the shortest one by far, because Tank just didn't protect himself, and Tank wasn't scared shitless. Or at least was pretending not to be.

I say Kimbo vs. Brock next, then Couture or Mir.

Brock is very athletic and all, but I can't remember if anyone has tested his chin.

This is the same guy who game himself a concussion doing the F5.
 
Big Rick Rock said:
You guys do knwo that Tank Abbot has had a 1-8 record since 1998. The guy has lost 8 out of his last 9 bouts. Kimbo is new and on the rise.
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Kimbo went at him with some quick hard hands. Dude has an impressive knuckle game. Tank had made a name for himself as a striker, but Kimbo is just a much better boxer.

Props to Elite XC for a good card. The event was awesome and the card was pretty strong. I like seeing my boys Rico Rodriguez and Yves Edwards back in the mix... Yves' fight made my night. One of the best finishes I seen in a while.

For those of you who are talking about Kimbo vs. Any UFC fighter... Don't hold your breath. The leagues protect their guys, you wont see any more unification bouts for a while.

Maybe Couture if he gets to fight after his court case with the UFC. He might be a good guy for EXC.

If they do a good job of matching Kimbo, the guy can blossom into a dominating champion. He has the speed, strength and gameness. He just needs more time in the gym to round out his game.
 
UFC etc. are based upon professionalism, credibility, respect, etc. They don't want to become a Don King type farce like boxing.

If Kimbo wants to penetrate that league - he's gotta EARN it just like everyone else. Work his way up the ranks by beating a lot of good fighters. Beating a 40 y/o Tank ain't gonna cut it.

Whether he works his way up, and starts battling Ortiz's, etc. on PPV - not sure. But from what I saw from his loss to Gannon, I wouldn't hold my breath. His appeal mainly comes from 'angry black fighter from the street' schtick, rather than ungodly fighting ability.

r
 
Lumberg said:
FIrst of all I thought it was awesome. Kimbo was so eager to get it on, he removed the debris from the cage himself (some fan threw a crumpled up magazine into the ring which caused a timeout). He was kind of pushing on the ref's arm like "dude, we're both ready to fight, just let us go at it!"

Then he did everything except sing Tank a lullaby and tuck him into bed.

Seriously, if you were to watch all his past fights, this is the shortest one by far, because Tank just didn't protect himself, and Tank wasn't scared shitless. Or at least was pretending not to be.

I say Kimbo vs. Brock next, then Couture or Mir.

Brock is very athletic and all, but I can't remember if anyone has tested his chin.

This is the same guy who game himself a concussion doing the F5.
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I thought that "debris' was his mouth piece?
 
No the announcers said mouth piece, they were wrong.

Don't believe everything you hear--look closely at the thing Kimbo picks up and throws out of the ring.

Not to mention, did you see anyone washing off a mouthpiece or handing one to Kimbo? Him putting a mouthpiece back in?
 
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