Karma inflation... How to fix it???

[Big Rick Rock]

Hey guys,

The way things are going, it seems we are headed to a Karma inflation. It is very possible that within the next year we will have members in the Billions...


DO you guys have any ideas on how to slow down the rate of Karma inflation?








-BRR

 

[WarriorPL]

Re: Karma inflation... How to fix it.

I don't understand what the problem is.

 

[foreigngirl]

Re: Karma inflation... How to fix it.

how is us having a lot of K affecting administration?

 

[DieselGunz]

Go back to zero and revamp the amount people hit

 

[Behemoth]

I would like to just have a million of something in this life....

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Oh and BTW-

I don't really post here much. Threads like these are my only chance to get to know the members...

Lets please try get some serious replys.

Next time before you bitch about being overlooked for a project or Mod position... Please try to remember what kind of impression you give off in the threads that matter....





-BRR

 

[foreigngirl]

Go back to zero and revamp the amount people hit

wtf?


seriously, why does it matter to adm? Its not like you pay for it so we can have it or its in restricted and numbered amounts and cant be provided anymore

 

[DieselGunz]

Oh and BTW-

I don't really post here much. Threads like these are my only chance to get to know the members...

Lets please try get some serious replys.

Next time before you bitch about being overlooked for a project or Mod position... Please try to remember what kind of impression you give off in the threads that matter....





-BRR

For the record that was a serious answer, with the way things are now there is very little one can do to slow it down, besides lowering the amount of k we hit

 

[Raptorex]

Take the #karma/#posts and multiply it by 100, this is a better measure.

For illustrative purposes: If someone has 100 karma and 100 posts that would be 100*(100/100)=100.

So my new value would be:

(2,390,825/9521)=251.1 x 100 = 25,111



And so on.

 

[foreigngirl]

I still want to know why does it matter how much karma we have or how big is our hit. Karma, those green dots and those crowns do not cost anything and are not in limited numbers

 

[Big Rick Rock]

wtf?


seriously, why does it matter to adm? Its not like you pay for it so we can have it or its in restricted and numbered amounts and cant be provided anymore

I don't care about how much Karma anybody has. I just think the rate at which new Karma is being introduced into the system is ridiculous. I think even some of the guys who have Millions, would realize their existing Karma would gain a perceive value if we were to slow down the rate at which new Karma is generated...







-BRR

 

[Mr. dB]

1. It's just a game.

B. Some people play games to win.

III. Karma Bookie has played a significant role in inflation.

d. Mess with the formula or the totals too much and you'll have a revolt on your hands.

5. Once George put a dollar value on karma, your hands were tied. You can't take away, or devalue, something that you have sold to your customers.

 

[Raptorex]

BRR see my revised formula above, it works better.

 

[foreigngirl]

I don't care about how much Karma anybody has. I just think the rate at which new Karma is being introduced into the system is ridiculous. I think even some of the guys who have Millions, would realize their existing Karma would gain a perceive value if we were to slow down the rate at which new Karma is generated...







-BRR

we still value it a lot. Most of us dont even go spend it on bombs or difusers cause we see it precious. Do you think there will be problems if a member has a billion karma points? If so, what kind of problems? With the mods? Give the mods more K then.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I still want to know why does it matter how much karma we have or how big is our hit. Karma, those green dots and those crowns do not cost anything and are not in limited numbers

We are actually playing around with the idea of maybe developing a whole ekarmanic system in the next version of vBulletin 4.0... A sort of Karmic economy system.






-BRR

 

[Raptorex]

Using my karma adjusting formula:

the Big Baboon would have:

5,803/889*100 or 652 Karma Points

I think it works.

 

[chewyxrage]

Errr, BRR, you guys have already been charging for the green for some time now and have made a decent amount I would imagine. Don't really think it would be fair to screw around with it once you've had people throw down real cash.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Using my karma adjusting formula:

the Big Baboon would have:

5,803/889*100 or 652 Karma Points

I think it works.

Seeing the lengths people now go to whore Karma... Adding Post count to the mix would just increase the already rampant post whoring....




-BRR

 

[galaxy]

require 25 words or something in karma msgs or something like that. I know i hate filling those out for the most part unless its e flirting, so that would cut down on the amount of karma i sent.

 

[Raptorex]

Using my new proposed formula:

Have your programmer, plot the distribution of all EF's current Karma and then my adjusted Karma formula values, you will see it is shifted downward in a fair fashion.

Trust me here BRR, I will win the Noball prize for this.

 

[Raptorex]

Seeing the lengths people now go to whore Karma... Adding Post count to the mix would just increase the already rampant post whoring....


-BRR

BRR!!!
You are incorrect sir, Post whoring is penalized under this system! Check the math.


People with fewer karma and lots of posts will have lower adjusted Karma values. (ie., it turns out to be a measure of Karma/Post, or post quality.)

 

[foreigngirl]

1. It's just a game.

B. Some people play games to win.

III. Karma Bookie has played a significant role in inflation.

d. Mess with the formula or the totals too much and you'll have a revolt on your hands.

5. Once George put a dollar value on karma, your hands were tied. You can't take away, or devalue, something that you have sold to your customers.

now this is the real brake on changing things



BRR - justlimit the karmic power increase with the posts and the months. Instead of each 1000 posts and each month for plats, make it longer - like each 10 000 posts and maybe each 3 or 6 months

 

[fortunatesun]

Rewards program. People with larger amounts of useful karma should be able to swap for commodities such as tickets to events, workout gear and equipment, supplements, and so forth.

Individuals put on temporary suspension should be able to make transfers through the Karma Store. The point is made and because their working karma amounts show them to be an asset to the board they should be allowed to begin re-posting if they wish.

 

[galaxy]

Whats with those gay ass karma pyramids going around now? Lame.........I always remember the biggest losers at the gym trying to get me to do that shit. Said i had to invest nothing yet i would make tons of money.LOL

 

[WarriorPL]

Rewards program. People with larger amounts of useful karma should be able to swap for commodities such as tickets to events, workout gear and equipment, supplements, and so forth.

Individuals put on temporary suspension should be able to make transfers through the Karma Store. The point is made and because their working karma amounts show them to be an asset to the board they should be allowed to begin re-posting if they wish.

Heh I think they'd lose money that way.

 

[canadianhitman]

You can't take away, or devalue, something that you have sold to your customers.

That's a heck of an observation.

 

[fortunatesun]

Heh I think they'd lose money that way.

Not necessarily. Credit card companies do it for a reason. I'm sure many individuals connected with EF have ties that they would wish to see represented here.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Errr, BRR, you guys have already been charging for the green for some time now and have made a decent amount I would imagine. Don't really think it would be fair to screw around with it once you've had people throw down real cash.

We have no plans to change the price of the Karma packages. We are not looking to decrease the VALUE of Karma but actually INCREASE it. By slowing down the rate at which Karma is generated in the system. It would do a couple of things. 1- Make the numbers a bit more realistic when playing stuff like Karma poker and other games. 2-Add value to the Karma you already have... We are also talking about lowering the price of Bombs and crap to accommodate for the slower rate at which Karma will be generated...






-BRR

 

[pintoca]

we need a K Consultant. Anybody?

 

[d_o_c_]

I have been contimplating this problem at hand. What I have come up with may sound difficult and at first hard to understand, so I will try to keep it as simple as possible.

Everyone should donate all of their Karma to me. I will then be the ultimate karma king and I will rule the Karma world.

In reality I think that maybe you should just do splits like in stock. 1 for 2 but have someway for someone to track what they would have had before the split amounts.

Probably to difficult to do. Plus you'd have a bunch of members who would not understand the basis of a split and just start complaining.

Hope you figure something out BRR

 

[fortunatesun]

we need a K Consultant. Anybody?

Glancing at the league standings, that would be you.

 

[Mr. dB]

Hammy's gonna have a heart attack when he sees this thread.

 

[chewyxrage]

We have no plans to change the price of the Karma packages. We are not looking to decrease the VALUE of Karma but actually INCREASE it. By slowing down the rate at which Karma is generated in the system. It would do a couple of things. 1- Make the numbers a bit more realistic when playing stuff like Karma poker and other games. 2-Add value to the Karma you already have... We are also talking about lowering the price of Bombs and crap to accommodate for the slower rate at which Karma will be generated...






-BRR

Ah, I see. Yeah, these 3,000 K hits are a little out of control.

 

[needtogetaas]

brr I know people will hate me for saying this but o well.
if you notic the people that have shit louds of k are just going to keep geting more.its like the old saying gose "the rich just keep getting richer"
there realy is nothing that can be don to stop it.the only thing you can do is slow it down or start it over.you cant realy start it all over cuz some people paid money for the k they have and that just ant right.the only thing that can be don to slow it down is
1.lower the k powers by comeing up with a new k power sistome.
2.stop the dubble hitting and hitting the same people every day.I meen come on do people realy make a post that you aprove of every frigen day.
3.duble or even tripple the k power on red hits for people that dont have over a sertan amout of k so to make it a far fight and start a huge frigen k war event with all kinds of new wepons to be used in the k store.that would be a nice fun way to get rid of all the k

 

[needtogetaas]

I saw just make A hole bunch of difrant k wepons at the k store and host an anuwale ef k fight giveing a grand prize to the last man left with k.tripple the red hit k power for people with less then 2 mil k and lets just hammer away all this k.

 

[digger]

BRR!!!
You are incorrect sir, Post whoring is penalized under this system! Check the math.

Good thinking. That's part of the answer right there.

Thing is that as it stands, the system is 1) incredibly inflationary and 2) starting to show the signs of a real imbalance between the haves and the have-nots.

We need to solve both those problems for the long-term health of the site.

(And that's the answer to foreigngirl's question.)

 

[swole]

If you decide to make changes with the bookie forum, please talk to myself or 4everhung.

I have tons of great ideas and would like to speak with George to discuss them.

 

[needtogetaas]

I still say k war is a nice fun way to get rid of all the k.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

If you decide to make changes with the bookie forum, please talk to myself or 4everhung.

I have tons of great ideas and would like to speak with George to discuss them.

Noted for future reference.








-BRR

 

[obiwan9962]

require 25 words or something in karma msgs or something like that. I know i hate filling those out for the most part unless its e flirting, so that would cut down on the amount of karma i sent.

i agree but i think perhaps a minimum of 15 words would be the criteria and each word needs to be different not just "yo yo yo yo yo yo...."
i think at least one of the top 3 k owners would soon falter
25 words on some subjects would leave the masses aghast sorry orb galaxy

 

[obiwan9962]

I still say k war is a nice fun way to get rid of all the k.

you just love bombing e-bros don't you?

 

[JayC9]

Karma whores spinning the site into an e-conomic crash.

It's not the karmic totals that are the problem, its the karmic power. Put a roof on the karma totals allowing members to somehow bank their karma in million chunks which can be withdrawn or exchanged for goods when needed?

Change the karmic power so it works something like a lazer gun i.e. when it's fully charged it hits full power and then less and less until it's given time to recharge? Could have a little power meter to make it fun?

 

[theoak01]

I think keeping it just the same is a great idea,start tinkering too much and people will be resistant to change, Ive been here a long time and have saw every kind of change happen to this place,some good some bad, I think that messing around with things all the time is too nit picky, I understand your just trying to make the site the best it can be,but sometimes its good to leave things as they are.


nobody is really bitching and moaning about it,we all seem content so I believe we should just leave it be.

yours in sport
theoak01

lol

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Karma whores spinning the site into an e-conomic crash.

It's not the karmic totals that are the problem, its the karmic power. Put a roof on the karma totals allowing members to somehow bank their karma in million chunks which can be withdrawn or exchanged for goods when needed?

Change the karmic power so it works something like a lazer gun i.e. when it's fully charged it hits full power and then less and less until it's given time to recharge? Could have a little power meter to make it fun?

A couple of good ideas there.

 

[obiwan9962]

I think keeping it just the same is a great idea,start tinkering too much and people will be resistant to change, Ive been here a long time and have saw every kind of change happen to this place,some good some bad, I think that messing around with things all the time is too nit picky, I understand your just trying to make the site the best it can be,but sometimes its good to leave things as they are.


nobody is really bitching and moaning about it,we all seem content so I believe we should just leave it be.

yours in sport
theoak01

lol

"is this as good as it gets?"

 

[JayC9]

i agree but i think perhaps a minimum of 15 words would be the criteria and each word needs to be different not just "yo yo yo yo yo yo...."
i think at least one of the top 3 k owners would soon falter
25 words on some subjects would leave the masses aghast sorry orb galaxy

What would stop people from cutting and pasting 15 completely random words?

 

[theoak01]

"is this as good as it gets?"

I think how the site is run yes,this is great.

I do recall better times with other members more active who have moved on for one reason or another,but I do enjoy my time here emensly and will still contribute and come back until they shut er down,I love this place

 

[itlnstln]

I still say k war is a nice fun way to get rid of all the k.

You're my boy and everything - but if you want to have a Karma-War (like you've done in the past) - keep in here in the "Chat Forum" - seems everytime theses a little scuffle going on over here - it ends up spilling over to other boards like AAS, and it can catch some good bros off-guard.

So have your battles, - but keep it here, cause AAS guys like Karma as much as anyone - we just don't talk about it in every other thread. (and for the most part, these guys cherish even the smallest amount of Karma.

NOT FLAMAING - there's some great people on both boards, and just when it seems everyone is starting to really get along - an Admin steps in and potentially draws new lines in the sand.

How could E.F. POSSIBLY - take real, cold cash from it's members without having COMPLETE knowledge of what could/would happen to "that" Karma.
there's no way it hit the Admins out of nowhere.

So here's the dilemma - all you can do is find a way to slow down the rate at which Karma is received (which isn't fair to the person that just bough a boatload of it, cause now it's technically not worth what he/she paid for it)...............so that's out.

You can't start everyone at zero - cause that's blatent "stealing".

So I can totally see where your problem lies BRR, cause it's almost a no-win situation.

BTW - what if you just did NOTHING?
What would be the "horror" of someone having 12,834,198,253 hits of Karma?...................although Karma is exchanged for cash, it's not like that person could buy E.F. with it......................

 

[obiwan9962]

What would stop people from cutting and pasting 15 completely random words?

make it so nonplats and peeps with less than 100 k power can call BS
in doing so docking 5000 points from the bs'rs

 

[Lestat]

Foreigngirl: it matters to admin, because this is a for profit site, and like everything else, karma needs to be leveraged to turn a profit. To make it valuable to members means money in the owner's pocket.

I agreed with a lot of what Mr. DB previously stated in this thread.

The system will always have a certain amount of imbalance to it because of a few factors:
1) Karma can be "created" by any member, on a daily basis, for free
2) Some people simple do NOT care about karma and give it to others, so you see evne more consolidation
3) This is more of a 2a, but you see very high participation in the karma bookie and the karma store by a few, and next to no participation by the majority.

So how would I fix it? I would introduce a new system, something that would not affect what is already out there, although the current system may need changes.

A new system should have the following mechanisms built in:
1) a way to opt in or out of the system completely. That way, you don't have people who don't want to participate or don't care, in the system. you could try to make participation in the system based on something like a fee. karma bookie, karma poker, make it fee based, but of course you will have to do make the end result, call it karma, worth something
2) make karma really worth something
3) make it cost a person something to GIVE karma. I like the idea that giving away karma actually takes it from your total. Maybe not on a 1 for 1 ratio, but making it cost something to the person giving it will be the first step in reducing the whoring.

BRR you are right, the inflation has happened, and will only get more and more rapid as time goes on, its exponential growth.

Ironically, the same thing happens here in the US with wealth. Wealth, like karma, can be created by people. Example? Go saw a tree down and build something out of it that someone wants, like a canoe, and you've created some value, you traded in your time and effort and created something with monetary value.

Those who have money (or in our case karma) can easily get more. Those without have no shot in hell at getting as much as the top without some serious luck or good fortune (aren't they the same thing)

Anyway, those are my thoughts. And no i don't care to be moderator, I just enjoy participating in the site in many ways.

 

[Lestat]

Karma whores spinning the site into an e-conomic crash.

It's not the karmic totals that are the problem, its the karmic power. Put a roof on the karma totals allowing members to somehow bank their karma in million chunks which can be withdrawn or exchanged for goods when needed?

Change the karmic power so it works something like a lazer gun i.e. when it's fully charged it hits full power and then less and less until it's given time to recharge? Could have a little power meter to make it fun?

great ideas! very creative.

 

[Sanel27]

You're my boy and everything - but if you want to have a Karma-War (like you've done in the past) - keep in here in the "Chat Forum" - seems everytime theses a little scuffle going on over here - it ends up spilling over to other boards like AAS, and it can catch some good bros off-guard.


So have your battles, - but keep it here, cause AAS guys like Karma as much as anyone - we just don't talk about it in every other thread. (and for the most part, these guys cherish even the smallest amount of Karma..



So I can totally see where your problem lies BRR, cause it's almost a no-win situation.

BTW - what if you just did NOTHING?
What would be the "horror" of someone having 12,834,198,253 hits of Karma?...................although Karma is exchanged for cash, it's not like that person could buy E.F. with it......................

So true, im one of those juicers that itlnstln is talking about, not till i came here to C&C did i see how much karma meant and how people were whoring it...............dont get me wrong, i was handing out my paltry hits, but to the deserving bros/sisters, not just cause i had allowance and had to spend it cause it didnt rollover...........

Just lower the hits a bit...........not that im complaining, some top bros have hit me with some good karma, and most i earned betting in bookie forum....

 

[itlnstln]

So true, im one of those juicers that itlnstln is talking about, not till i came here to C&C did i see how much karma meant and how people were whoring it...............dont get me wrong, i was handing out my paltry hits, but to the deserving bros/sisters, not just cause i had allowance and had to spend it cause it didnt rollover...........

Just lower the hits a bit...........not that im complaining, some top bros have hit me with some good karma, and most i earned betting in bookie forum....

Hey - i like it as much as anyone .............................

 

[Big Rick Rock]

How could E.F. POSSIBLY - take real, cold cash from it's members without having COMPLETE knowledge of what could/would happen to "that" Karma.
there's no way it hit the Admins out of nowhere.

So here's the dilemma - all you can do is find a way to slow down the rate at which Karma is received (which isn't fair to the person that just bough a boatload of it, cause now it's technically not worth what he/she paid for it)...............so that's out.

You can't start everyone at zero - cause that's blatent "stealing".

So I can totally see where your problem lies BRR, cause it's almost a no-win situation.

BTW - what if you just did NOTHING?
What would be the "horror" of someone having 12,834,198,253 hits of Karma?...................although Karma is exchanged for cash, it's not like that person could buy E.F. with it......................

- If you know ANYHTING about basic economics... By decresing the rate at which Karma is generated, it will ADD VALUE to already existing Karma.

- We are not going to start everybody at Zero or take Karma away from people.






-BRR

 

[obiwan9962]

So true, im one of those juicers that itlnstln is talking about, not till i came here to C&C did i see how much karma meant and how people were whoring it...............dont get me wrong, i was handing out my paltry hits, but to the deserving bros/sisters, not just cause i had allowance and had to spend it cause it didnt rollover...........

Just lower the hits a bit...........not that im complaining, some top bros have hit me with some good karma, and most i earned betting in bookie forum....

i've appreciated every time you've hit me in response to one of my post orb

 

[obiwan9962]

- If you know ANYHTING about basic economics... By decresing the rate at which Karma is generated, it will ADD VALUE to already existing Karma.

- We are not going to start everybody at Zero or take Karma away from people.






-BRR

didn't you guys just revamp the k system last year?
i recall having 55 k points one day then 27 the next day
meanwhile the plat rodent went from something like 127 to 260

i guess being a payfor site you reward payfors

i thought i was adding value to your sites with all my recipes and advice about food and cooking and my witty reparte's

guess not

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Some great ideas in your post. I like your idea about making it Cost YOU something to give Karma...

Foreigngirl: it matters to admin, because this is a for profit site, and like everything else, karma needs to be leveraged to turn a profit. To make it valuable to members means money in the owner's pocket.

I agreed with a lot of what Mr. DB previously stated in this thread.

The system will always have a certain amount of imbalance to it because of a few factors:
1) Karma can be "created" by any member, on a daily basis, for free
2) Some people simple do NOT care about karma and give it to others, so you see evne more consolidation
3) This is more of a 2a, but you see very high participation in the karma bookie and the karma store by a few, and next to no participation by the majority.

So how would I fix it? I would introduce a new system, something that would not affect what is already out there, although the current system may need changes.

A new system should have the following mechanisms built in:
1) a way to opt in or out of the system completely. That way, you don't have people who don't want to participate or don't care, in the system. you could try to make participation in the system based on something like a fee. karma bookie, karma poker, make it fee based, but of course you will have to do make the end result, call it karma, worth something
2) make karma really worth something
3) make it cost a person something to GIVE karma. I like the idea that giving away karma actually takes it from your total. Maybe not on a 1 for 1 ratio, but making it cost something to the person giving it will be the first step in reducing the whoring.

BRR you are right, the inflation has happened, and will only get more and more rapid as time goes on, its exponential growth.

Ironically, the same thing happens here in the US with wealth. Wealth, like karma, can be created by people. Example? Go saw a tree down and build something out of it that someone wants, like a canoe, and you've created some value, you traded in your time and effort and created something with monetary value.

Those who have money (or in our case karma) can easily get more. Those without have no shot in hell at getting as much as the top without some serious luck or good fortune (aren't they the same thing)

Anyway, those are my thoughts. And no i don't care to be moderator, I just enjoy participating in the site in many ways.

 

[obiwan9962]

hmm me thinks while c&c forum has been alot of fun i might just reimmigrate back to the food and supps forums and stay there

 

[itlnstln]

- If you know ANYHTING about basic economics... By decresing the rate at which Karma is generated, it will ADD VALUE to already existing Karma.

- We are not going to start everybody at Zero or take Karma away from people.






-BRR

You could say I know a thing or two about economics..........LOL

it's just hard to actually fathom the idea that we are talking about little green specks of karma as if it were Money (cause in all honesty - for a lot of people - IT IS)


SERIOUSLY - good luck BRR

 

[obiwan9962]

You could say I know a thing or two about economics..........LOL

it's just hard to actually fathom the idea that we are talking about little green specks of karma as if it were Money (cause in all honesty - for a lot of people - IT IS)


SERIOUSLY - good luck BRR

it would be much better if the system was fair
instead of so gobsmacked in favour of the few

 

[Sanel27]

hmm me thinks while c&c forum has been alot of fun i might just reimmigrate back to the food and supps forums and stay there

C&C is a lot of fun, a bit addictive as there is lots of drama, comedy and you never know what rediculous things people will come up with..........

 

[obiwan9962]

C&C is a lot of fun, a bit addictive as there is lots of drama, comedy and you never know what rediculous things people will come up with..........

scccccccchnitz

 

[pintoca]

Hammy's gonna have a heart attack when he sees this thread.

somebody should call him and pass the news.

"Hey Hammy, look what the Easter Bunny brought this year"

 

[Hiatussin]

The same way poorly governed countries make a fresh start after inflation. Just divide everybody´s karma by 100.

 

[itlnstln]

The same way poorly governed countries make a fresh start after inflation. Just divide everybody´s karma by 100.

You GO boy........................

 

[jnuts]

Your problem isn't new. I'd recommend doing some research into how other folks have attacked the problem.

Google for "virtual online economies" brings up these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_economies
http://www.gamestudies.org/0302/castronova/
http://www.bookofhook.com/Article/GameDesign/TheDesignofOnlineEconomie-3.html

 

[needtogetaas]

you just love bombing e-bros don't you?

I would have more k then hammy if it wernt for the bombs around here.lol

 

[samoth]

Umm... I was wondering why this wasn't being publically addressed seriously for the past couple years.

At the current point we're at, it's gonna take something not divisive, but something renormalizing the systemn back to a euthymic state (which ain't gonna happenm lol)

We're gonna need some actual instantiation to even get this renrormalization going, and I really can't think of a good one at this point. I'll give it some thought, though, but most ideas presented will be nothing more than a bunch of pontificate BS.

Karma to anyone to who can explicate fully and form a comprehensive excogitation for EF. (That as a joke, of course, but you're still pretty deep in at thsi point to start thinking about the issue. Some intermediate statistics could at least give you the time frame you're working with... 'cause in my opinion, it's pretty much too late to do anything substantive without needing a lawer who practices in tort law, lol.)

 

[Devastation]

devastations thesis on karma economics and the solution to rampant inflation of the k system



to start, the system as stands is flawed. the constant creation of an object with a set rate of value will begin to be devalued as the endless creation of the object is left to go on indefinetly.

this statement is best translated as what once was considered a fair value of 60,000 karma hits for the price of $98.97 (~606 k pts / $1) is now valued around 1,000,000 karma hits for less then $299 (i've heard this is negotiable) which values karma at (3344 k pts / $1). with the system left unchecked the inflation rate will grow exponentially now that members hit for the fair value of $1.

this flaw has left elitefitness.com's with a real problem on it's hand as members no longer see value in purchasing karma (a real-world financial problem for ef). it has a secondary problem with the top karma holders with the ability to destroy a newbie poster to ef with one negative 110% hit. this is a serious problem now for both the owner of ef and now any future members, as more and more veteran members are able to weild a large k power.

there is a solution, however. it is a bit complex in theory, but is likely the only solution to this growing problem. the solution lies in a form of taxation of the karmic system. this taxation would be a double pronged taxation system, based upon karmic power and post count going forward.

the first level of taxation is to have a tiered tax level based upon karmic power and is a transfer of wealth tax. this taxation would come out of the karma giver's own personal account. an example would in theory be:

Tiered Tax Bracket
1. anyone who falls into the 1 to 300 karma power bracket would be taxed a flat 15% of karma transferred to the recipient. (i.e a member with a karma power of 300 would be subjected to a 45 pt k reduction (300 x 15%) from their own k account)

2. anyone who falls into the 301 to 750 karma power bracket would be taxed a flat 25% of karma transferred to the recipient. (i.e a member with a karma power of 750 would be subjected to a 188 pt k reduction (750 x 25%) from their own k account)

3. anyone who falls into the 751 to 1500 karma power bracket would be taxed a flat 35% of karma transferred to the recipient. (i.e a member with a karma power of 1500 would be subjected to a 525 pt k reduction (1500 x 35%) from their own k account)

4. anyone who falls into the 1501 and above karma power bracket would be taxed a flat 40% of karma transferred to the recipient. (i.e a member with a karma power of 1501 would be subjected to a 600 pt k reduction (1501 x 40%) from their own k account)

this solution deals partially with the infinite creation of karma as the system is now taking some of it created back, in a tiered fashion to accomadate inflation.

the next theory deals with another problem that coincidently goes hand in hand with the extreme wealth building that is running rampant and destroying the karma system.

karma "whoring" and karma "threads" often go unchecked by the system and these problems perpetuate further inflation. the solution to this is a taxation of the posting system. an implementation of a flat tax of the posting system will negate "whoring" and will also reduce the vast amount of k existing in the "k1" karma supply. an example would in theory be:

Flat Tax Bracket of 30% of KP
1. anyone with a karmic power of 500 would be taxed 150 k pts from their personal account to make a post (1000 x 30%)

2. anyone with a karmic power of 1000 would be taxed 300 k pts from their personal account to make a post (1000 x 30%)

3. anyone with a karmic power of 2000 would be taxed 600 k pts from their personal account to make a post (2000 x 30%)

with the inclusion of this system of taxation of the capitalistic population of ef will also come a socialistic system for the non enterprising (or those who don't give two shits about karma) populace. non-platinum members will be given a cap of 15,000 karma points in their personal account before any taxation would ever take place. platinum members would be given a cap of 40,000 karma points in their personal account before any taxation would ever take place. (these amounts were chosen based on the current prices of different items for sale in the karma store, as no would be put in poverty by taxation and would still be able to purchase items, such as bombs, diffusers, or a free plat membership, and retain their ability to still post as members of elitefitness)

these two important theories coupled together solve the current rampant inflatioinary karma system and the real monetary effect they have on ef, by

1. taking back from the system which infinitely produces karma that is created from nothing

and

2. by doubly taxing the wealthy who post to gain karma and give karma to receive karma (whoring)

both of these theories are realistic and should be implementable by administration and are viable solutions to the impending economic meltdown with the ef karma system

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

BRR, 2 years ago I came up with a karma formula to screw all the post whoring karma hitters and then mod WODIN supposedly posted it on the mod forum. I dunno if it's still there or not.

 

[pintoca]

BRR, 2 years ago I came up with a karma formula to screw all the post whoring karma hitters and then mod WODIN supposedly posted it on the mod forum. I dunno if it's still there or not.

you know what I have to say about this, don't you?

 

[needtogetaas]

devastations thesis on karma economics and the solution to rampant inflation of the k system



to start, the system as stands is flawed. the constant creation of an object with a set rate of value will begin to be devalued as the endless creation of the object is left to go on indefinetly.

this statement is best translated as what once was considered a fair value of 60,000 karma hits for the price of $98.97 (~606 k pts / $1) is now valued around 1,000,000 karma hits for less then $299 (i've heard this is negotiable) which values karma at (3344 k pts / $1). with the system left unchecked the inflation rate will grow exponentially now that members hit for the fair value of $1.

this flaw has left elitefitness.com's with a real problem on it's hand as members no longer see value in purchasing karma (a real-world financial problem for ef). it has a secondary problem with the top karma holders with the ability to destroy a newbie poster to ef with one negative 110% hit. this is a serious problem now for both the owner of ef and now any future members, as more and more veteran members are able to weild a large k power.

there is a solution, however. it is a bit complex in theory, but is likely the only solution to this growing problem. the solution lies in a form of taxation of the karmic system. this taxation would be a double pronged taxation system, based upon karmic power and post count going forward.

the first level of taxation is to have a tiered tax level based upon karmic power and is a transfer of wealth tax. this taxation would come out of the karma giver's own personal account. an example would in theory be:

Tiered Tax Bracket
1. anyone who falls into the 1 to 300 karma power bracket would be taxed a flat 15% of karma transferred to the recipient. (i.e a member with a karma power of 300 would be subjected to a 45 pt k reduction (300 x 15%) from their own k account)

2. anyone who falls into the 301 to 750 karma power bracket would be taxed a flat 25% of karma transferred to the recipient. (i.e a member with a karma power of 750 would be subjected to a 188 pt k reduction (750 x 25%) from their own k account)

3. anyone who falls into the 751 to 1500 karma power bracket would be taxed a flat 35% of karma transferred to the recipient. (i.e a member with a karma power of 1500 would be subjected to a 525 pt k reduction (1500 x 35%) from their own k account)

4. anyone who falls into the 1501 and above karma power bracket would be taxed a flat 40% of karma transferred to the recipient. (i.e a member with a karma power of 1501 would be subjected to a 600 pt k reduction (1501 x 40%) from their own k account)

this solution deals partially with the infinite creation of karma as the system is now taking some of it created back, in a tiered fashion to accomadate inflation.

the next theory deals with another problem that coincidently goes hand in hand with the extreme wealth building that is running rampant and destroying the karma system.

karma "whoring" and karma "threads" often go unchecked by the system and these problems perpetuate further inflation. the solution to this is a taxation of the posting system. an implementation of a flat tax of the posting system will negate "whoring" and will also reduce the vast amount of k existing in the "k1" karma supply. an example would in theory be:

Flat Tax Bracket of 30% of KP
1. anyone with a karmic power of 500 would be taxed 150 k pts from their personal account to make a post (1000 x 30%)

2. anyone with a karmic power of 1000 would be taxed 300 k pts from their personal account to make a post (1000 x 30%)

3. anyone with a karmic power of 2000 would be taxed 600 k pts from their personal account to make a post (2000 x 30%)

with the inclusion of this system of taxation of the capitalistic population of ef will also come a socialistic system for the non enterprising (or those who don't give two shits about karma) populace. non-platinum members will be given a cap of 15,000 karma points in their personal account before any taxation would ever take place. platinum members would be given a cap of 40,000 karma points in their personal account before any taxation would ever take place. (these amounts were chosen based on the current prices of different items for sale in the karma store, as no would be put in poverty by taxation and would still be able to purchase items, such as bombs, diffusers, or a free plat membership, and retain their ability to still post as members of elitefitness)

these two important theories coupled together solve the current rampant inflatioinary karma system and the real monetary effect they have on ef, by

1. taking back from the system which infinitely produces karma that is created from nothing

and

2. by doubly taxing the wealthy who post to gain karma and give karma to receive karma (whoring)

both of these theories are realistic and should be implementable by administration and are viable solutions to the impending economic meltdown with the ef karma system

you know what will happen there dont you.
people like hammy will just stop hitting you unless you have a k power that is big enofe to make up for his k loss.so just more of the rich getting richer but now you just made the pore porer.
all that dos is change the way people will hore k.just dont hit anny one less the have the k power to make up for youre loss and then some.
makeing it allmost imposable to get k unless you allready have.the problem is doing some thing about the people who have all the k now.thing is there is no frigen way in hell you are going to stop them from getting more of it.anny way you slice the cake there frigen rich and there just going to keep getting richer.did youre therey slow it down some ya i gess maby a little but it scrood over a lot of little guys in the prosis.
and the hole costing you k to post is tottle bull crap.it just makes the k at the k store worth less.exaple.
I say hay I think I will buy 60k at the k store for 99 dollers o but wate if I do that I just fuck my self because now I will get taxed evry time I post.
thus makeing me say fuck it its not worth it.
that perposel did nothing but make it so the only people that are ever going to be on the leaders bord are the people that are there now.slowed it down mamby a little and pissed of allmost evry one cuz it cost them k to post wich in tern will make less posting wich will make less people comeing here wich means less people going plat and less money going into the site.








this is what I think you should do.some kind of tax is a good Idie but maby change it a bit like this.
some one would get taxed more when they hit some one with more k power thus stoping people from hitting the people that have all the k now.that would make it so people who have shit lods of k now would only get hit by some one who realy realy liked there post.
so say wootoom would get a big tax like say 2-3 thasoand k tax for hitting hammy but only a 100k taxs for hitting me.

and also posting should be incoreged not bashed on around here.
if you want to stop post horeing you need to come up with a sistom to stop post horeing.make it cost k to post more then a few tims in a couple of minits.
this will make people put more time into there post and read what other people have to say more.
or you could just charge a sertan amount of k for evrey day some ones post count level is over a sertain amount.doing this would still reword people who have a lot of post here but stop people from post horeing evry day to get the post.

 

[needtogetaas]

and iam spent.

 

[Devastation]

you know what will happen there dont you.
people like hammy will just stop hitting you unless you have a k power that is big enofe to make up for his k loss.so just more of the rich getting richer but now you just made the pore porer.
all that dos is change the way people will hore k.just dont hit anny one less the have the k power to make up for youre loss and then some.
makeing it allmost imposable to get k unless you allready have.the problem is doing some thing about the people who have all the k now.thing is there is no frigen way in hell you are going to stop them from getting more of it.anny way you slice the cake there frigen rich and there just going to keep getting richer.did youre therey slow it down some ya i gess maby a little but it scrood over a lot of little guys in the prosis.
and the hole costing you k to post is tottle bull crap.it just makes the k at the k store worth less.exaple.
I say hay I think I will buy 60k at the k store for 99 dollers o but wate if I do that I just fuck my self because now I will get taxed evry time I post.
thus makeing me say fuck it its not worth it.
that perposel did nothing but make it so the only people that are ever going to be on the leaders bord are the people that are there now.slowed it down mamby a little and pissed of allmost evry one cuz it cost them k to post wich in tern will make less posting wich will make less people comeing here wich means less people going plat and less money going into the site.








this is what I think you should do.some kind of tax is a good Idie but maby change it a bit like this.
some one would get taxed more when they hit some one with more k power thus stoping people from hitting the people that have all the k now.that would make it so people who have shit lods of k now would only get hit by some one who realy realy liked there post.
so say wootoom would get a big tax like say 2-3 thasoand k tax for hitting hammy but only a 100k taxs for hitting me.

and also posting should be incoreged not bashed on around here.
if you want to stop post horeing you need to come up with a sistom to stop post horeing.make it cost k to post more then a few tims in a couple of minits.
this will make people put more time into there post and read what other people have to say more.
or you could just charge a sertan amount of k for evrey day some ones post count level is over a sertain amount.doing this would still reword people who have a lot of post here but stop people from post horeing evry day to get the post.

what you fail to understand is that someone with a k power of 4000 is spending 1600 k pts per hit to hit someone. 1600 x 30 = 48,000 pts a day spent hitting everyone on their "list". now someone may make 45,000 pts a day, but now it doesn't pay to whore it out, does it?



and for those who buy karma and don't want to be taxed there should be a choice in their profile to turn off their k function. they can display their 1,000,000 karma, but they cannot give or receive karma. they also are not taxed during that time they have it turned off. their is a solution to every feeble "problem" you have listed above

 

[needtogetaas]

you know what will happen there dont you.
people like hammy will just stop hitting you unless you have a k power that is big enofe to make up for his k loss.so just more of the rich getting richer but now you just made the pore porer.
all that dos is change the way people will hore k.just dont hit anny one less the have the k power to make up for youre loss and then some.
makeing it allmost imposable to get k unless you allready have.the problem is doing some thing about the people who have all the k now.thing is there is no frigen way in hell you are going to stop them from getting more of it.anny way you slice the cake there frigen rich and there just going to keep getting richer.did youre therey slow it down some ya i gess maby a little but it scrood over a lot of little guys in the prosis.
and the hole costing you k to post is tottle bull crap.it just makes the k at the k store worth less.exaple.
I say hay I think I will buy 60k at the k store for 99 dollers o but wate if I do that I just fuck my self because now I will get taxed evry time I post.
thus makeing me say fuck it its not worth it.
that perposel did nothing but make it so the only people that are ever going to be on the leaders bord are the people that are there now.slowed it down mamby a little and pissed of allmost evry one cuz it cost them k to post wich in tern will make less posting wich will make less people comeing here wich means less people going plat and less money going into the site.








this is what I think you should do.some kind of tax is a good Idie but maby change it a bit like this.
some one would get taxed more when they hit some one with more k power thus stoping people from hitting the people that have all the k now.that would make it so people who have shit lods of k now would only get hit by some one who realy realy liked there post.
so say wootoom would get a big tax like say 2-3 thasoand k tax for hitting hammy but only a 100k taxs for hitting me.

and also posting should be incoreged not bashed on around here.
if you want to stop post horeing you need to come up with a sistom to stop post horeing.make it cost k to post more then a few tims in a couple of minits.
this will make people put more time into there post and read what other people have to say more.
or you could just charge a sertan amount of k for evrey day some ones post count level is over a sertain amount.doing this would still reword people who have a lot of post here but stop people from post horeing evry day to get the post.

this would at least help to level every thing out a bit.makeing it so people will start hitting the little guys and stop hitting the big guys.onse evry thing levels out it will become less of a problem.it will make a lot of the big guys cry but realy its the only way to stop the k horeing.
dame I am sooooooooooo good.
mod me.lol

 

[Devastation]

this would at least help to level every thing out a bit.makeing it so people will start hitting the little guys and stop hitting the big guys.onse evry thing levels out it will become less of a problem.it will make a lot of the big guys cry but realy its the only way to stop the k horeing.
dame I am sooooooooooo good.
mod me.lol

if this cost you 170 k pts to post, would you have? at least that tax would save some of the useless drivel from being posted around here

 

[needtogetaas]

what you fail to understand is that someone with a k power of 4000 is spending 1600 k pts per hit to hit someone. 1600 x 30 = 48,000 pts a day spent hitting everyone on their "list". now someone may make 45,000 pts a day, but now it doesn't pay to whore it out, does it?



and for those who buy karma and don't want to be taxed there should be a choice in their profile to turn off their k function. they can display their 1,000,000 karma, but they cannot give or receive karma. they also are not taxed during that time they have it turned off. their is a solution to every feeble "problem" you have listed above

if I make a list of the right people to it
30 members who have the k power to make up for my loss from hitting them
then I can still k hore just at a slower rate.thus forcing me to only hit people who have a good k power.still leaveing the rich to get richer.
I still say tax people more k to hit the people who have shit louds of k power allreadt.thus stoping people from hitting them uless they realy like there post.make it so people will not it the big guys and will hit the little guys leveling every thing out.problem frigen solved.

 

[silverfish]

It's really simple. If EF can charge people to buy karma, I'd consider selling mine back to EF at the currently listed prices. I could use the money.

 

[Devastation]

if I make a list of the right people to it
30 members who have the k power to make up for my loss from hitting them
then I can still k hore just at a slower rate.thus forcing me to only hit people who have a good k power.still leaveing the rich to get richer.
I still say tax people more k to hit the people who have shit louds of k power allreadt.thus stoping people from hitting them uless they realy like there post.make it so people will not it the big guys and will hit the little guys leveling every thing out.problem frigen solved.

the slower rate of growth is what they're looking for, not to change who the current leaders are. so what you offered doesn't solve anything AT ALL, does it?

 

[needtogetaas]

if this cost you 170 k pts to post, would you have? at least that tax would save some of the useless drivel from being posted around here

no I wouldent have and youre right thasaunds maby even millouns of post wouldent be made.then this place would be fucken boreing I would leave and many would follow.no one wants to come to a place that boreing and by stoping people from posting wich is fun you make it boring.I wasent post horeing when I made that post I was just simply haveing fun makeing a post to amuse myself.would you rather i be bourd and just say fuck it this place sucks because i cant make a post and leave takeing my money with me.

 

[Devastation]

no I wouldent have and youre right thasaunds maby even millouns of post wouldent be made.then this place would be fucken boreing I would leave and many would follow.no one wants to come to a place that boreing and by stoping people from posting wich is fun you make it boring.I wasent post horeing when I made that post I was just simply haveing fun makeing a post to amuse myself.would you rather i be bourd and just say fuck it this place sucks because i cant make a post and leave takeing my money with me.

how many of the members of elitefitness REALLY care about karma? 1%? 1/2 of 1%? or is it more like 1/100 of 1%? this isn't a board to collect karma, and many here don't care. so what you are saying is that the board wouldn't go on because of 60 people not posting to save their karma? would you stop posting 38.71 brilliant posts a day because of it?

 

[needtogetaas]

the slower rate of growth is what they're looking for, not to change who the current leaders are. so what you offered doesn't solve anything AT ALL, does it?

shore it dos it brings the k horeing to a skreeching holt dont it.no more hitting the big guy so you can get the big hit back.
stops the k horeing game all togather.brings it back to the way it was ment to be only giveing some one k if you realy like there post.

 

[needtogetaas]

how many of the members of elitefitness REALLY care about karma? 1%? 1/2 of 1%? or is it more like 1/100 of 1%? this isn't a board to collect karma, and many here don't care. so what you are saying is that the board wouldn't go on because of 60 people not posting to save their karma? would you stop posting 38.71 brilliant posts a day because of it?

to tell you the truth i would just keep on posting what ever i wanted.I dont post for the sake of post horeing i post cuz i like to.so would it stop me not a bit.I would just never ever buy anny k becuase it would be worth shit to me.

 

[Devastation]

shore it dos it brings the k horeing to a skreeching holt dont it.no more hitting the big guy so you can get the big hit back.
stops the k horeing game all togather.brings it back to the way it was ment to be only giveing some one k if you realy like there post.

maybe you missed this post

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6076292&postcount=1

 

[Devastation]

to tell you the truth i would just keep on posting what ever i wanted.I dont post for the sake of post horeing i post cuz i like to.so would it stop me not a bit.I would just never ever buy anny k becuase it would be worth shit to me.

as it is to most (98.2%?) here.

ps supposedly karma has been purchased 3387 times from about 116,000 members. does this tell you how important karma is to the MASSES?

 

[needtogetaas]

maybe you missed this post

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6076292&postcount=1

well i bet even with doing youre way hammy will have a billon k in lest say no less then 3 months.yes it would slow it down a bit but before long the karma snow ball would start rolling again pic up speed and we would all be right back in the same place we started.it wouldent take long for the tax to have no effect on horeing at all.

my whay completly stops the k horing all togather and in a short wile it would level out all the k people have. makeing k worth some thing again.wich i think is what they are reely trying to do.

 

[blut wump]

Firstly, to those who look at the Karma leaderboard and think in terms of "the haves" and the "have nots", it took me around six months to go from near to zero to getting onto the leaderboard. If you want to have higher Karma, go get some. Participate in the site more, with posts to educate, inform and entertain, especially in C&C and Karma will flow into your coffers. Take some judicious risks in the Bookie forum. Like in life with cash. Do something about it if you really want the stuff.

The main thing we need to keep going is to encourage or, at least, not to deter Karma giving. It's a joy to receive Karma. Anything which deters giving Karma is probably a bad thing. Karma is a convenient way to comment on someone's post or to give a 'thanks' or 'congrats' or even a flirt or high-five. The passing around of Karma forms tranisent bonds between posters. Fleeting though they be, each receipt of Karma is a little mental reward for visiting EF.

Regarding inflation, to halt inflation you need to find ways to take Karma out of the system as fast as it comes into the system. I think most would like to see more things in the shop to spend their K on although the trouble there is that some of us value holding onto it as we chase down the next person on the list.

We could do with more Bookie events such as lotteries. Real-world lotteries have a pitiful payout but the lure is too much to resist for many. Too few people participate in the Bookie forum.

I've had thoughts of Karma erosion before but I think they're too harsh. You want people to give their Karma back to you via various routes, not have it taken away. I guess another version of the Formula is in the offing.

 

[spongebob]

1. It's just a game.

B. Some people play games to win.

III. Karma Bookie has played a significant role in inflation.

d. Mess with the formula or the totals too much and you'll have a revolt on your hands.

5. Once George put a dollar value on karma, your hands were tied. You can't take away, or devalue, something that you have sold to your customers.

right on.

so the only thing to do BRR is to change the hitting to slow it down. make it where you can only hit the same person once a week.

 

[Daisy_]

1. It's just a game.

B. Some people play games to win.

III. Karma Bookie has played a significant role in inflation.

d. Mess with the formula or the totals too much and you'll have a revolt on your hands.

5. Once George put a dollar value on karma, your hands were tied. You can't take away, or devalue, something that you have sold to your customers.

totally agreed.

 

[spongebob]

well i dont know what should be done about it but admin better fix it quick. this shit is insane!!@!

 

[pintoca]

well i dont know what should be done about it but admin better fix it quick. this shit is insane!!@!

waiting on hammy here

 

[GoldenDelicious]

hm. at the current rate of hyperkarmic inflation, it seems obvious to me that karmofiscal policy is severely askew, and the karmomonetary policy simply...isnt there. the karma supply is massive, the karmomultiplier effect is out of fookin control, and the whole karmal economy is going gangbusters. its the end of days, verily...

 

[big4life]

Some of ya'll have wayyyyyyyyyy too much time on your hands.

 

[stilleto]

i haven't read the replies yet so if this has been said, forgive me.

1. tax the person giving karma. 50% of the hit.... they'll be a lot less likely to hit consistantly.

2. make the time between hitting the same person longer.

 

[blut wump]

i haven't read the replies yet so if this has been said, forgive me.

1. tax the person giving karma. 50% of the hit.... they'll be a lot less likely to hit consistantly.

2. make the time between hitting the same person longer.

1. Taxation will inhibit hitting at all. Some will still do it but it will become an oddity. Anyone who fails to return a hit will probably never get hit again. This will do nothing to restrict tight circles of hitters but only make them better organised. I think this is not a good direction to take.

2. Would slow things down but we need better than a slowing down. To halt inflation, we need that net K into the system is as near as possible to net K out of the system and, ideally, without inhibiting hitting. A slow leakage would give us a gradual deflation.

 

[blut wump]

I predict that K power is going to be chopped drastically by way of a new Formula. There'll be at least three formulae, Plats, non-Plats and Chairman types. I also wouldn't be surprised to see a capping on K-Power for a while but it won't last.

 

[BrothaBill]

The answer is simple and been done before. Revert all the karma to the date prior to the karma store opening. That happened before when a couple of clowns found the glitch in the karma store and created millions of fictitious karma into the system.
Everyone was reverted back to that point. That should happen again and is fair.

The people who paid for karma through the store should get that amount added to their totals b/c that's a legitimate transaction (that karma would be worth more at the new levels as well).

Then either:
Limit the amount of hits per day for a member

Set a max karma hitting number to say, 200 (this would end karma inflation cold alone)

Or set a daily maximum alotment of karma to be spent, say 5000 points or some arbitrary number that can be spent in karma.

Mistakes were made in the implementation of the karma system and right now the system is just broken. Just revert us back to that previous time we were kicked back to, people were bitching at us for the karma store heist and losing karma so its nothing new. Just identify the areas that have caused the system to be broke since that day and implement changes that you have identified as contributing to the karma inflation.
Whether being only to hit so much k with a post, limit the amount k hits that have karma, max alotment of karma to be spent etc...

With 30 hits per day and karma whoring networks, growth will become exponential making the karma system even more ridiculous than it is now.
So if we ever get karma poker, it wont be fun if heavyhitters have that much karma.

 

[spongebob]

i have best idea BRR.

from now on charge for karma hits. something like .10 a hit. so whats that, 3.00 a day if you hit 30 times.

that'll bring a halt to this shit.

 

[Cutiebaby]

I am not readin through this whole thread so this may have been said....
Any how IMO you should leave it alone but obviously you george and Dig dont want to..
So maybe make it like proboards??? Where you can only hit once and hour or so.Maybe not be able to hit same person 2x in 24 hour time span....And if you are concerned about people k hits being same price as k store karmas then up the amounts in the karma store. And lower the amount for peoples k powers......
As far as taxing for post whoring that it crazy...Why bother having a c&c board????????????? Maybe up the admin "you can only post every so many ......." rule. People debate on this site on the threads and it may end up being 2 or 3 people only that are posting in the thread debating. Because they post about 18 posts per person in the same thread should they be treated like a "post whore"????? I think all is well the way it is as far as posting.

 

[alien amp pharm]

No offense, but I thought it was a stupid idea when all the focus on karma began.

Anybody could have seen this coming.

The karma system was fine the way it was. When this website tried making a few extra bucks by putting money value on karma it was bound to turn ugly.

Have you not noticed how the board has went downhill? All the "new" features such as karma this karma that has made the board immature and stupid. A lot of vets have left because it is ridiculously stupid here now and newbies don't want to take the time sorting thru all the features nor put up with shit like bombs, redding, etc.