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JKurz1 said:
I hope so, too.
I saw some posts at Getbig that sound just like you: same writing style, identical stats and dilemma. Guy calls himself Lugar.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=83866.0
He mentioned that he'd been doing "triathlon after triathlon" for 4 years and couldn't suss why he'd dropped from 220 to 160. No mention of cancer, though.
If that's you -- and I'm certain it is -- fight the temptation to sneak in a few runs here and there. It'd definitely keep you from getting back on track.
If only I could get my best friend to follow your example *sigh*
BiggT
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JK, of course test will promote a lean muscle gain, it will improve recovery, improve protein synthesis and nutrient partitioning, and enhance the stimulus to your training, thats what it is intended to do.
I am not going to try to act like a steroid expert, because I admittedly am not, but compared to what the body produces naturally and is intended to produce naturally, 250mg is still an enormous amount of test (relatively speaking). So, I agree with everybody that you would shut down natural production of test even wit ha moderately doesed cycle for a moderate time period, and even with proper PCT, at this point, the last thing you want to do is screw with your body's own natural processes that you already have with the starvation diets and overtraining. I still think you should wait it out, you're only on week 2 of this program, man, I understand you'd like an 'insurance policy' because you still have a fear of getting "fat".....but you need to truct what you're doing and trust your body, you're a 30-year old guy who is grossly underweight, but you're in perfect health, your body can and will put on lean muscle for quite some time, just let the body return to normal functioning, give this a couple months, see what your gains are and re-evaluate then.
Also, Cyp and Sus aren't interchangeable, you'd have to plan differently depending on which one you took, and to my knowledge and from my experience, Cyp would probably still be in your system 2 weeks after the last shot to some degree, and you wouldn't even benefit from it until after the second week of the cycle sometime. And with Sus, the fast acting esters make up roughly half the drug (I think), so you need to look at how much will be in the system and for how long.....again, the two aren't interchangeable with one an other one doesn't work like the other.
What you outlined would probably work better in theory with Propionate or Suspension, something that gets in, does its thing, and gets out.....in that case, what you're thinking makes sense logically, but, with long-acting esters, it isn't that simple......I would really just chill out and eat and train and sleep and just have faith that your body will normalize, because IT WILL....at 30 years old your body is far from drained and old, it will bounce back. It took you 4 years to wreck yourself, it certainly won't take another 4 years to get back, but it will take longer than a week also, just be patient and enjoy the ride.
I am not going to try to act like a steroid expert, because I admittedly am not, but compared to what the body produces naturally and is intended to produce naturally, 250mg is still an enormous amount of test (relatively speaking). So, I agree with everybody that you would shut down natural production of test even wit ha moderately doesed cycle for a moderate time period, and even with proper PCT, at this point, the last thing you want to do is screw with your body's own natural processes that you already have with the starvation diets and overtraining. I still think you should wait it out, you're only on week 2 of this program, man, I understand you'd like an 'insurance policy' because you still have a fear of getting "fat".....but you need to truct what you're doing and trust your body, you're a 30-year old guy who is grossly underweight, but you're in perfect health, your body can and will put on lean muscle for quite some time, just let the body return to normal functioning, give this a couple months, see what your gains are and re-evaluate then.
Also, Cyp and Sus aren't interchangeable, you'd have to plan differently depending on which one you took, and to my knowledge and from my experience, Cyp would probably still be in your system 2 weeks after the last shot to some degree, and you wouldn't even benefit from it until after the second week of the cycle sometime. And with Sus, the fast acting esters make up roughly half the drug (I think), so you need to look at how much will be in the system and for how long.....again, the two aren't interchangeable with one an other one doesn't work like the other.
What you outlined would probably work better in theory with Propionate or Suspension, something that gets in, does its thing, and gets out.....in that case, what you're thinking makes sense logically, but, with long-acting esters, it isn't that simple......I would really just chill out and eat and train and sleep and just have faith that your body will normalize, because IT WILL....at 30 years old your body is far from drained and old, it will bounce back. It took you 4 years to wreck yourself, it certainly won't take another 4 years to get back, but it will take longer than a week also, just be patient and enjoy the ride.
T
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what T said.
Why you are repeatedly asking for validation is fucking beyond me...you will ultimately do what you want to do regardless of how many times you are warned.
Do what you want - but please stop asking the same questions over and over.
Why in the blue hell do you want to go on a cycle when your body isn't ready?!?!
btw - 20 pound of lean mass in 8 weeks off a does of 250 mg/wk??
ROTFLMFAO - your source must have sold you on that idea.
12 pounds of TOTAL weight in 8 weights is viable...with 3 -4 of that being water retention.
Why in the fuck do you want to use gear after your cancer is beyond me......Test has been proven in study after study to weaken the immune system
*sigh*
ok - rant over....do what the fuck you want - its your body
My head hurts......
much like eating ice cream to fast and getting a brain freeze.
I realize that I might be "new" on this forum.....but my knowledge of gear usage is extremely solid, form my days in the lab actually getting it tested to my research on it in grad school.
Huck is around - as are Diamond Cut cows - and Macro - ask them.
Why you are repeatedly asking for validation is fucking beyond me...you will ultimately do what you want to do regardless of how many times you are warned.
Do what you want - but please stop asking the same questions over and over.
Why in the blue hell do you want to go on a cycle when your body isn't ready?!?!
btw - 20 pound of lean mass in 8 weeks off a does of 250 mg/wk??
ROTFLMFAO - your source must have sold you on that idea.
12 pounds of TOTAL weight in 8 weights is viable...with 3 -4 of that being water retention.
Why in the fuck do you want to use gear after your cancer is beyond me......Test has been proven in study after study to weaken the immune system
*sigh*
ok - rant over....do what the fuck you want - its your body
My head hurts......
much like eating ice cream to fast and getting a brain freeze.
I realize that I might be "new" on this forum.....but my knowledge of gear usage is extremely solid, form my days in the lab actually getting it tested to my research on it in grad school.
Huck is around - as are Diamond Cut cows - and Macro - ask them.
The Shadow said:
There's an interesting topic- JK, what supplements do you take to support your immune system? Do you think any of them have a noticable effect in negating the effects of cancer? Sorry if you've posted elsewhere on this, if so, would you have a link?
silver_shadow
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JK, there are different opinions on juicing all around (well at least amongst the regulars on the AAS board). here one thing seems to be common though (i think) - the use of lower dosages for moderate periods. i feel that 18-20 wks of even 250mg/wk of test is going to shut you down pretty bad so that when you get off PCT won't guarantee you keep too much of your gains. in fact PCT will NEVER allow you to keep everything. unfortunately there just aren't any magic pills that will allow for that. there are just too many variables at work here all involved in homeostasis so that muscle loss is inevitable. having said that i think 10lbs of solid muscle gain from an 8-10 weeker is fantastic and i don't believe that most people need significantly high dosages for that. to summarize IMO, high doses (for most - and i'm sure you will come in the "most" category) will do nothing more than lower doses hence it amounts to wasting your money. and cycles significantly longer than 8-10 weeks, regardless of dose result in enough crash post cycle so that it loses it's viability. before someone jumps down my throat about pros using much more for much more time, i'm describing the kind of usage for guys with not too much cycling history. hope that makes sense.
JKurz1
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ok..sorry...just a discussion....what I want to do and what I am going to do are different! I will wait, trust me...sorry to piss off everyone.....I just hope the deit ad training work like they should! Nine days in up 7lbs.....abs are a a little faded out, but I need to get over it....I'll update today late....it's my OFF DAY!
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