Jeez, somebody took his job too seriously...

[Warik]

presumably the mistakes u make u are able to rectify. he didnt. 2 digits.....thats all it came down to. human error is likely in cases like these

So do you suggest that we excuse errors simply because people are human? I'd hate to think about what kind of society we'd live in if it were OK to make mistakes.

Oh, you forgot to do payroll sir? That's ok... I'll wait for my check until Monday.

Oh, you forgot to turn on my electricity? Ah, that's ok, get around to it when you get the chance.

Oh, honey, you forgot to cook dinner? That's ok... we'll go out to dinner with the paycheck my boss forgot to write. Everything will be fine.

He fucked up and people paid the price. Now unfortunately his family will pay the price for his second mistake.

-Warik

 

[Warik]

Warik, I don't think danielson said anything about saying mistakes were excusable. He just said that the cop wasn't able to fix his mistake, which was due to his own human error.

If the cop knew he had made a mistake, he would have fixed it. (like you do when you make a mistake)

That's not the point. The point is, he fucked up and people died. Then he fucked up again and abandoned his family. What an exemplary human being.

-Warik

 

[danielson]

So do you suggest that we excuse errors simply because people are human? I'd hate to think about what kind of society we'd live in if it were OK to make mistakes.

Oh, you forgot to do payroll sir? That's ok... I'll wait for my check until Monday.

Oh, you forgot to turn on my electricity? Ah, that's ok, get around to it when you get the chance.

Oh, honey, you forgot to cook dinner? That's ok... we'll go out to dinner with the paycheck my boss forgot to write. Everything will be fine.

He fucked up and people paid the price. Now unfortunately his family will pay the price for his second mistake.

-Warik

like darktooth said, i was pointing out his mistake was irreversable. your's aren;t

his job puts lives on the line. when he makes mistakes, people die

bottom line until you walk in his shoes, you can't judge him for his actions. ever know what it feels like to make a mistake and have 5 people die. all rational thought leaves your mind and the what ifs/self blame and haunting memories of the dead fill their space. and im just guessing

he couldnt bear to come to terms with his mistake. it happens. while its not a logical sacrifice, either for the family or the 5 dead, he couldn't deal with the fact that due to a 2 digit misread (the type of mistake that happens like once a minute at a k-mart or wherever yanks buy food) 5 people died

 

[milo hobgoblin]

Warik

I love you!! I couldnt agree more.

Cops are more interested in revenue coleection now than serving and protecting.

 

[TEXgrl]

this is a very sad story....it is most likely this guy feared judgmental assholes who sit back and critisize people for simply being people and making a mistake. People make mistakes. some peoples mistakes are more noticable than others. this was a big mistake on the cops part for sure, but he didn't deserve to die himself.

 

[Warik]

bottom line until you walk in his shoes, you can't judge him for his actions.

Says who? Based on that logic, it is wrong to condemn any criminal for his crimes because the jury has not "walked in his shoes."

The cop fucked up and people died. Does he deserve to die as well? No, but he would have certainly deserved reprimand and suspension. He wasn't dealing with a routine traffic stop or a some stolen lunch money here, this was a WEAPON. A law-abiding citizen does not carry a concealed weapon without a permit. Common sense would dictate that there was something more to this and that he should have double-checked the serial number.

The point I'm trying to make is that he fucked up and that's that. Don't try to defend him for failing to do his job properly. When you or I make a mistake at work, no biggie. When a cop makes a mistake at work, peoples' lives and rights are put at risk. Anyone who performs his duty so nonchalantly does not deserve that duty.

It's a shame his family is now left abandoned.

-Warik

 

[TEXgrl]

The point I'm trying to make is that he fucked up and that's that. Don't try to defend him for failing to do his job properly. When you or I make a mistake at work, no biggie.
-Warik

yeah, what do you do, supersize their fries for free or what?

you've made your point. good for you. hopefully someday all people in the world will be as perfect as you are. nowhere is it written that cops or anyone don't make mistakes.

 

[danielson]

Says who? Based on that logic, it is wrong to condemn any criminal for his crimes because the jury has not "walked in his shoes."

the cop didnt commit a crime. he may have been neglegent but thasts for a review board to decide. you are stating that him killing himself is illogical as it leaves loved ones behind who will also suffer. im saying you dont know what was going through his mid. the self shame he may have felt could have been so strong the only thing that could alieve it is death

The cop fucked up and people died. Does he deserve to die as well? No, but he would have certainly deserved reprimand and suspension. He wasn't dealing with a routine traffic stop or a some stolen lunch money here, this was a WEAPON. A law-abiding citizen does not carry a concealed weapon without a permit. Common sense would dictate that there was something more to this and that he should have double-checked the serial number.

did you see the serial number? might hae been some dirt on it.....might have been so small the 8 looked like a 0.....he might have been on shift for soooooooo long he couldnt read the number properly, the lighting could have been bad....you get my point

The point I'm trying to make is that he fucked up and that's that. Don't try to defend him for failing to do his job properly. When you or I make a mistake at work, no biggie. When a cop makes a mistake at work, peoples' lives and rights are put at risk. Anyone who performs his duty so nonchalantly does not deserve that duty.

It's a shame his family is now left abandoned.

-Warik

im not completely defending him, ultimately he was at fault....only that you are being rather heavy handed in writing him off as a neglegent cop who didnt care for his family enought to not fuck up twice. this is the kind of mistake that MAY and i stress may have happened to anyone. cops might be assholes 99% of the time but they do have a hard job

 

[Warik]

hopefully someday all people in the world will be as perfect as you are. nowhere is it written that cops or anyone don't make mistakes.

I'm not perfect and neither is anyone else. This story is being published as a sad story about a cop who committed suicide and trying to get the readers to feel sympathy for the cop. I see it as the story of someone who abandoned his family and should be remembered in infamy. At least some guy who abandons his wife and kids by walking outcan be tracked down and have to answer for his actions. This guy is gone for good.

-Warik

 

[Warik]

the cop didnt commit a crime. he may have been neglegent but thasts for a review board to decide. you are stating that him killing himself is illogical as it leaves loved ones behind who will also suffer. im saying you dont know what was going through his mid. the self shame he may have felt could have been so strong the only thing that could alieve it is death

So is it alright for him to kill himself and abandon his family? Because that is what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that it's wrong and that he should not have done it. Are you suggesting that his course of action was acceptable? Now, I'm not asking you if you can understand why he did it. I'm sure you can understand why "mass murderer A" killed X number of people, but you wouldn't consider it acceptable.

Is this police officers actions acceptable, yes or no? If no, then what is it that you're trying to accomplish by arguing with me?

did you see the serial number? might hae been some dirt on it.....might have been so small the 8 looked like a 0.....he might have been on shift for soooooooo long he couldnt read the number properly, the lighting could have been bad....you get my point

It says he transposed two digits, i.e., he saw both digits and put one where the other was supposed to be. Run the damn thing twice to make sure - it's not a candy bar, it's a gun.

im not completely defending him, ultimately he was at fault....only that you are being rather heavy handed in writing him off as a neglegent cop who didnt care for his family enought to not fuck up twice. this is the kind of mistake that MAY and i stress may have happened to anyone.

He didn't care for his family. If he did, he would not have committed suicide and left his mourning widow behind to care for six children. If he was even remotely responsible as a youth, his oldest child couldn't be older than 17 (that's assuming he had his first child at age 18, which is a mistake but is better than anything younger). How old are his other children? 10? 5? 2? I don't think his life insurance plan, if any, covered suicide. His wife and kids are fucked, and he must have known that prior to killing himself. Of course, why should he have cared - he won't be around to answer for it.

cops might be assholes 99% of the time but they do have a hard job

OK, it's a hard job, so is that of a fire fighter, a lawyer, a doctor, a computer programmer, an automechanic, and a damn burger flipper. If someone can't do a job without minimizing the fuckups and not killing himself afterwards, then he should find himself another job.

-Warik