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funkyfresh
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Very hard to say for sure who does what. Pure speculation for most part.
The trouble is, if we all knew exactly what they guys do, then there are always gonna be some idiots who are going to try to copy exactly what they do and how they do it in a bid to look like them..etc.
A few pro's have spoken up about the drug abuse in the sport.
I was just reading some posts by Shawn Ray over at the MD forums the other day. I've always been a fan of Shawn's despite the fact he likes the sound of his own voice sometimes.
Anyway, he didn't actually say anything about who does what but basiclly stated that one of the reasons he retired was due to the increasing drug abuse in the sport and he didn't want to jeapordize his health to keep up with them.
Realisticlly, at 5ft 7 and 210 - 215lbs...he knew he didn't really stand a chance against the likes of the bigger guys, despite the fact that IMO he had a better physique than 90% of them!
The IFBB have a lot to blame for this because over the last 10 years, bodybuilding has basiclly been dominated by mass and sheer size. So the bigger you are, the better you are in their eyes.
Of course some of these guys have gone to extremes to keep up with the criteria and have put their health a risk to do so.
Personally, I think bodybuilding today is a joke. It's nothing more than a freak show....of course that's just my opinion so I hope none of you guys take offence to that.
However, they are gradually starting to move away from that trend which to me is a very positive step.
I believe most of the big guys do go to extremes to get to where they are in terms of drug usage. But let's not forget they all work very hard aswell...so it's not all about drugs.
For most of them, their body is their job and if they don't keep up with the criteria the IFBB set and continue to keep their placings high...they don't get paid. So then they have 2 choices: quit or try to keep up
As far as I know Jay Cutler started taking A-bombs when he was 19 years old (first cycle) and has been in the game since then!
The trouble is, if we all knew exactly what they guys do, then there are always gonna be some idiots who are going to try to copy exactly what they do and how they do it in a bid to look like them..etc.
A few pro's have spoken up about the drug abuse in the sport.
I was just reading some posts by Shawn Ray over at the MD forums the other day. I've always been a fan of Shawn's despite the fact he likes the sound of his own voice sometimes.
Anyway, he didn't actually say anything about who does what but basiclly stated that one of the reasons he retired was due to the increasing drug abuse in the sport and he didn't want to jeapordize his health to keep up with them.
Realisticlly, at 5ft 7 and 210 - 215lbs...he knew he didn't really stand a chance against the likes of the bigger guys, despite the fact that IMO he had a better physique than 90% of them!
The IFBB have a lot to blame for this because over the last 10 years, bodybuilding has basiclly been dominated by mass and sheer size. So the bigger you are, the better you are in their eyes.
Of course some of these guys have gone to extremes to keep up with the criteria and have put their health a risk to do so.
Personally, I think bodybuilding today is a joke. It's nothing more than a freak show....of course that's just my opinion so I hope none of you guys take offence to that.
However, they are gradually starting to move away from that trend which to me is a very positive step.
I believe most of the big guys do go to extremes to get to where they are in terms of drug usage. But let's not forget they all work very hard aswell...so it's not all about drugs.
For most of them, their body is their job and if they don't keep up with the criteria the IFBB set and continue to keep their placings high...they don't get paid. So then they have 2 choices: quit or try to keep up
As far as I know Jay Cutler started taking A-bombs when he was 19 years old (first cycle) and has been in the game since then!
theblondebomber
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as ive said before,Lee Priest takes very little.8and20 said:
Well a guru to some pros set up a cycle for me and at its highest point I was doing 1500mgs of test EVERY OTHER DAY along with 1000mgs of deca and 1000mgs of EQ. So figure it out. Its alot more than most of use even think. Sure you have the Mark Dugdales who take far less, but for the most part the top 10 guys are taking more than any of can fathom and we give them way too much credit.
I would guess at least 5g's of test, 1000mgs deca, 250mgs anadrol and 150mgs fina ed. And tons of hgh.
I would guess at least 5g's of test, 1000mgs deca, 250mgs anadrol and 150mgs fina ed. And tons of hgh.
theblondebomber
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its crazy!!but thats the bodybuilders mind most of us are OCD to begin with.LOL
safe999
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The amount some of the top pros take e/w is ridiculous!! it does make you smile though when you think of that hugee amount that they take and how its actually kinda unbelieble to us. i do still wonder though how these guys can take such a incomprehensible amount without very noticeable sides!
>swole: i do think we can concern ourselves in this, its just a point of discussion which is pretty interesting, seeing as the amount the top pros take is 5,10,15x more than most people here would even think of taking
> galaxy: how did you find that cycle, good gains? as for the pros. . 240mg of anadrol. the sides of that surely!!. . **** me!
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>swole: i do think we can concern ourselves in this, its just a point of discussion which is pretty interesting, seeing as the amount the top pros take is 5,10,15x more than most people here would even think of taking
> galaxy: how did you find that cycle, good gains? as for the pros. . 240mg of anadrol. the sides of that surely!!. . **** me!
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Yes I grew without even trying. Lets just say the middle 4 weeks were 1500mgs test eod, 1000mgs deca ew and 1000mgs ew with 75mgs fina eod.
Flex Wheeler used to talk about how he just took whatever poeple gave him. No ryhme or reason.
Like Marcus Rhul even gives a fuck. He must just laugh at everyone on these internet communitys.
Like Ruhl said, "he doesnt do it for health"
Flex Wheeler used to talk about how he just took whatever poeple gave him. No ryhme or reason.
Like Marcus Rhul even gives a fuck. He must just laugh at everyone on these internet communitys.
Like Ruhl said, "he doesnt do it for health"
safe999
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Dave Palumbo IS a walking checmical experiment! the guy did NOT have a bb natural phyisque b4 he started! it of course shows you that no matter what people say, genetics, in my opinion has nothing to do with bb (if your juicing)! Steroids with training and diet can make anyone!! look absoultely huge and ripped!
How interesting would it be if we could see the likes of jay cutler and what he would look like without his steroids
> galaxy: mannn thats a lot of roids!! pricey too be the looks of it! if you dont mind me asking wat AI's and SERM's were you having to take with that!
J
How interesting would it be if we could see the likes of jay cutler and what he would look like without his steroids
> galaxy: mannn thats a lot of roids!! pricey too be the looks of it! if you dont mind me asking wat AI's and SERM's were you having to take with that!
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jumpmaster82
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as said above its all speculation on the specifics. But the top pros ie ronnie, jay etc. You bet your ass are running upwards of 3-5 gs of test a week and up to 20 iu ED of gh. And god knows how much insulin and other compounds are used.
IMO 20 or 30 years from now when the top pros of today are old and shriveled someone will tell exactly what they were on.
IMO 20 or 30 years from now when the top pros of today are old and shriveled someone will tell exactly what they were on.
And Dave Palumbo could never make it into being a top contender. So, genetics are # 1 and after that, you can take boatloads of gear. Let your imagination run wild. But not everyone does it. For most people there's a point where 10 grams a day won't do much more than one gram a week.
Want to know what Jay Cutler would look like without gear? I always felt Clarence Ross had a similar physique and amazing genetics before the age of steroids. Here ya go: http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ross,+Clarence
Want to know what Jay Cutler would look like without gear? I always felt Clarence Ross had a similar physique and amazing genetics before the age of steroids. Here ya go: http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ross,+Clarence
enacer420nj
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He probably just eats a good breakfast
jumpmaster82
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lmfao!!!enacer420nj said:
navigatorrs
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Clarence Ross had a great all around body for his time. He was the man back then!! He was know as "King Of Bodybuilders"
Cutler was a big fucker even in high school
Genetics are reason numero Uno
I personally have trained with Jay a few times(well 2 times) and he hinted that he really isnt on "the shit"(his words) unless he is in his 16 week precontest mode. Hence the reason he tends to pack on more msucle during that time.
Whatever that means.
Genetics are reason numero Uno
I personally have trained with Jay a few times(well 2 times) and he hinted that he really isnt on "the shit"(his words) unless he is in his 16 week precontest mode. Hence the reason he tends to pack on more msucle during that time.
Whatever that means.
Mavafanculo
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I would guess that flex wheeler took some of the highest dosages - an ectomorph who got way huge - but I guess he paid the price
http://www.muscleplanet.tv/action/viewvideo/9/Flex_Wheeler_at_his_prime_/
http://www.muscleplanet.tv/action/viewvideo/9/Flex_Wheeler_at_his_prime_/
DannoMight
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I have a friend who is making his pro debut and finding out more and more on what and how much they do. But as for AI's most of them had the surgery so there is no worries. My friend is only using .5mg adex ed.8and20 said:
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lartinos
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Both Ronnie and Jay have both had Gyno surgery I believe, I'm sure almost all have who approach their size as well.8and20 said:
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lartinos
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hard to imagine he didnt win a olympia, where's his weakness?Mavafanculo said:
Best physique ever!
Flex is a genetic freak in terms of the "perfection" of his body shape. I bet he'd look something like this if he never juiced. http://www.thereplicators.com/images/misc/sreeves3.jpg
Tweakle
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A little primo, maybe a couple of dbol here and there.
for those who are still under 200lb after years of cycles and think Palumbo's megadoses are the answer, just because he has 'bad genetics' ie unpleasing proportions doesnt mean he isnt much, much more blessed than you when it comes to AR's, SHBG and a hundred other factors relating to muscle growth.
It would be sucky to have the potential to grow huge but not look good at all from it, but suck even more to run years of cycles and barely look like you lift.. now that is true bad genetics
for those who are still under 200lb after years of cycles and think Palumbo's megadoses are the answer, just because he has 'bad genetics' ie unpleasing proportions doesnt mean he isnt much, much more blessed than you when it comes to AR's, SHBG and a hundred other factors relating to muscle growth.
It would be sucky to have the potential to grow huge but not look good at all from it, but suck even more to run years of cycles and barely look like you lift.. now that is true bad genetics
Mavafanculo
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lartinos said:
i think his weakness was his big mouth lol -
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like i said he was one of the first that was open about it. there were even reports of athletes using it in the olympics in the 40's. i am not accusing Mr. Ross of not being natural just objecting to your statement that they knew nothing of drugs. Come on now.
I agree 100 % nothin but a freak show shawn ray and kevinf levrone were two of my favs who never won shawn ray had a near perfect body and was pretty much always spot on....Its crazy these days look at guys like trey brewer goin up to like 325 in the off season to put on all that mass thats not healthy at all insane if you ask a lot o juicin and a lot of eatin that boy does....IMOfunkyfresh said:
And you beleives him right....ALL PROS JUICE AND ALOT!!!Wulfgar said:Cutler was a big fucker even in high school
Genetics are reason numero Uno
I personally have trained with Jay a few times(well 2 times) and he hinted that he really isnt on "the shit"(his words) unless he is in his 16 week precontest mode. Hence the reason he tends to pack on more msucle during that time.
Whatever that means.
Good point.
swole said:
8and20 said:
If there wee report about steroid use in the 1940's Olympics I'd love to see them. Zeigler invented it in 58. Pearl and the others began dabbling in the early 60's. Look at the physiques around '66 as compared to 10 years earlier and you can see the difference. But there's no doubt that Ross and Park and Reeves were natural. They look natural -- just better than the average Joe because they had freaky genetics.
AAP is right. I've spoken to a lot of pros and what strikes me hardest is something said to me by a very famous competitor: "Anything more than a gram a week doesn't seem to make a difference, but I use twice that much just in case just in case the other guy does."
And there you have it. It has nothing to do with what anyone here should do. You'll learn nothing about what's best for you from the approach of pros. You might as well ask what Tiger Woods eats for breakfast so you can be more of a golfer like him. It really has nothing to do with it.
And there you have it. It has nothing to do with what anyone here should do. You'll learn nothing about what's best for you from the approach of pros. You might as well ask what Tiger Woods eats for breakfast so you can be more of a golfer like him. It really has nothing to do with it.
bigmusclehead
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well said. shawn should have easily have won at least 1 sandow.funkyfresh said:
bigmusclehead said:
Against whom?
slat1
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I work with a few well known guru's a few times a year. I know who they work with, what they use, what they eat, and how much of everything. I also know some of their dr's too.
Without question I can tell you there are A LOT of guys on this site that use more juice than guys who are Pro's.
One of the Pro's gave me his complete diet, juice schedule... everything. It is very basic.
Sure some guys use tons of stuff. Most of them don't go far or last long.
The worst I heard was this:
-gram a day of test
-300mgs of abombs A DAY
-16ius of GH a day
*One Pro from overseas was doing that. A lot of ameteurs tried it after he told them. A few died within a year.
All in all the biggest factors are genetics, how you eat, what you eat, when you eat, how you train and sleep.
**Don't be fooled by Palumbo being the Anabolic Freak. I know his diets and schedules. Their not crazy. At least for National level competitors and IFBB Pros.
Without question I can tell you there are A LOT of guys on this site that use more juice than guys who are Pro's.
One of the Pro's gave me his complete diet, juice schedule... everything. It is very basic.
Sure some guys use tons of stuff. Most of them don't go far or last long.
The worst I heard was this:
-gram a day of test
-300mgs of abombs A DAY
-16ius of GH a day
*One Pro from overseas was doing that. A lot of ameteurs tried it after he told them. A few died within a year.
All in all the biggest factors are genetics, how you eat, what you eat, when you eat, how you train and sleep.
**Don't be fooled by Palumbo being the Anabolic Freak. I know his diets and schedules. Their not crazy. At least for National level competitors and IFBB Pros.
Nelson Montana said:
Good post. Agreed. I really dnt think the pros will share that kinda info.
hitler was using it on his soldiers to make some "super" and it was rumored that his athletes used it as well.
i think u r referring to dbol in 1958. test has been around alot longer than that. matter of fact russia had their strength athletes (for certain in the 50's) on it.
in any case, like i said i never accused any of the classics (specifically ross) to be juicing. simply that drugs were around and known about.
i think u r referring to dbol in 1958. test has been around alot longer than that. matter of fact russia had their strength athletes (for certain in the 50's) on it.
in any case, like i said i never accused any of the classics (specifically ross) to be juicing. simply that drugs were around and known about.
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phillypaone
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timtim said:
lol
what did he take to get al that water on his back--must be a secret special blend
If you want to get big and stay big you need to be on year round. I don't care about genetics unless your body can in the off cycle keep test levels at 600> naturally to maintain, no amount of genetics will help you when your test levels are in the toillette.
Now, being on all the time does not mean doing 500mg of test EW but more like 100-150mg EW for a period of time then do another cycle.
Now, being on all the time does not mean doing 500mg of test EW but more like 100-150mg EW for a period of time then do another cycle.
8and20 said:
WWII Germany was experimenting but to no success.
Russia was using T on its athletes which is in part why Zeigler was commissioned to create dianabol which was then considered a "safe' alternative to testosterone.
Dball didn't make it the BB world until later when Bob Hoffman introduced it to his staple of stars. (Circa 1963 for the very first and most daring to try). John Grimick took the recommended one 5mg tab a day and concluded "it did nothing" and stopped after a couple of weeks. Guys like Scott and Pearl used the outrageous dosage of 20 mgs a day and said it worked miracles.
nzrodney
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Thats a very good post AAP, & I reckon you are pretty on the mark, its not every pro thats doing 5g test PW or more. My friend an IFBB pro trained in Pattaya with DJ in 1999 -2000. He advocated using just plenty of test & insulin to get mass gains. How much is "plenty" we dont know but I guess you work it out for yourself.AAP said:
I saw an interview with Jay Cutler on a news show last week sometime and the guy doing the interview said, "So a lot of these drugs that have been condemed in the media so much lately are basically just a standard part of the professtional bodybuilding lifestyle." Jay was like, "Yeah, I sponsor a lot of things like Gakix, and Muscletech products, and also take a lot of protein and things like that." Thought it was kind of funny.
I remember seeing an interview with Arnold and he was really cocky on nationally broadcast interview saying things like yeah muscle building drugs I take and I mean look at my physique and tell me I'm doing something wrong. look at me. The woman interviewing him was pretty hot and he's come here, feel my bicepts. Arnold was the man.
600-800mgs of Testosterone ED
75-150mgs of Trenbolone Acetate ED
400-600mgs Equipoise ED (Keeps appetite high in order to get enough calories)
This is basically the foundation of any steroid cycle whether cutting or bulking in order to get as big as these guys. Obviously ther drugs are added in order to get more specific results. But these three at these dosages are the foundation of every cycle in most cases. These recommendations were for a beginner. Pretty crazy. Kids don't try this one at home.
I remember seeing an interview with Arnold and he was really cocky on nationally broadcast interview saying things like yeah muscle building drugs I take and I mean look at my physique and tell me I'm doing something wrong. look at me. The woman interviewing him was pretty hot and he's come here, feel my bicepts. Arnold was the man.
600-800mgs of Testosterone ED
75-150mgs of Trenbolone Acetate ED
400-600mgs Equipoise ED (Keeps appetite high in order to get enough calories)
This is basically the foundation of any steroid cycle whether cutting or bulking in order to get as big as these guys. Obviously ther drugs are added in order to get more specific results. But these three at these dosages are the foundation of every cycle in most cases. These recommendations were for a beginner. Pretty crazy. Kids don't try this one at home.
chazk
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this is what a pro's cycle looks like
76446 of this, 742442 of that add 1122 of this and your golden.
I have a friend who knows a friend that said he talked to a guy that walked by dorian yates in a wal mart and while dorian was talking to a guy in the sporting goods section exactly what his cycles were.
Must be true it was from a friend of a friend that walked by dorian yates and eves dropped! While dorian was talking to another guy.
LOL... know one fucking knows, and who the fuck cares.
76446 of this, 742442 of that add 1122 of this and your golden.
I have a friend who knows a friend that said he talked to a guy that walked by dorian yates in a wal mart and while dorian was talking to a guy in the sporting goods section exactly what his cycles were.
Must be true it was from a friend of a friend that walked by dorian yates and eves dropped! While dorian was talking to another guy.
LOL... know one fucking knows, and who the fuck cares.
funkyfresh
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That's a seperate debate I guess...but I would have to agree with bigmusclehead on that one. I think Shawn Ray should have won the Olympia at least once...best bodybuilding physique I've ever seen was what he brought to the stage in 1998 or 1999. But then again, I've always appriciated the more athletic type physiques over the mass monsters.
Going back to the original topic though...the state of pro Bodybuilding today has got to be one of the unhealthiest sports out there and then they wonder why people laugh at it and immediately shout "steroids" when they see Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler on the front of some muscle magazine in a store.
I don't care what pro takes what....doesn't mean you have to go out and do the same thing or you're gonna look just like them by doing so. Why would anyone want to get that big that they can't even tie their own shoelaces?
If I'm honest, I read about some of the cycles some guys are on these days and their physiques really don't justify the amount of gear they are taking. IMO it isn't worth it.
If you don't have the genetics to begin with, you're gonna struggle.
If you ever looked at the Signature Pharm busts that netted all the WWE wrestlers... 90% of them were all on winstrol and deca. (some with GH) . Hardly no one was using test.
So tell me who has a bigger recovery need. Pro BBers who do anything but eat and sleep all day and some training or WWE wrestlers who run their bodies through the wringer twice a week?
The point is, most of the WWE wrestlers had above average physiques while using the most unconvential cycle out there? Obviously they were working with some expert that knew his shit.
So tell me who has a bigger recovery need. Pro BBers who do anything but eat and sleep all day and some training or WWE wrestlers who run their bodies through the wringer twice a week?
The point is, most of the WWE wrestlers had above average physiques while using the most unconvential cycle out there? Obviously they were working with some expert that knew his shit.
gosh u would of thought that they would of stayed away from winny. i personally never had issue with my joints from it but lots say they do. but then again the deca is probably lubing up the joints for them and hence their combo.
winny is a good choice with nandrolones in general imo.
winny is a good choice with nandrolones in general imo.
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lartinos
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i think you're rightMavafanculo said:
This is a bit late to chime in but Ive heard form someone who knew cutler personally that he did in fact cycle pretty hard. I venture to agree that he "hinted" at only using maybe 16 weeks pre-contest.. HOWEVER i think that he uses GH and slin year round to maintain his muscle in the off season......
I mean he cant really hide it.. In his video from Jay to Z he has a mini (drug) fridge next to his bathroom sink...his wife is a nurse... I mean c'mon.
In other videos you can SEE the slin and whatever else in the fridge....(one can make out that its humalog, humalin R and looks like a vial or two of GH...
oh and not to mention the saw palmetto, milk thistle, cranberry etc etc he points out from his supplement arsenal.
I think Jay is well rounded guy, and an intelligent individual. He say's he is healthy and I believe it. yes the GH took a toll on his facial structure but Im sure he thinks it's worth it at this point in his career.
I'd like to hear more from the guys who have also heard of his personal use... I mean so we can compare what we have heard respectively.
(I highly doubt jay is one of the careless abusers who just take x amnt of this and x amt of that without worrying or thinking past his career on stage)...
I mean he cant really hide it.. In his video from Jay to Z he has a mini (drug) fridge next to his bathroom sink...his wife is a nurse... I mean c'mon.
In other videos you can SEE the slin and whatever else in the fridge....(one can make out that its humalog, humalin R and looks like a vial or two of GH...
oh and not to mention the saw palmetto, milk thistle, cranberry etc etc he points out from his supplement arsenal.
I think Jay is well rounded guy, and an intelligent individual. He say's he is healthy and I believe it. yes the GH took a toll on his facial structure but Im sure he thinks it's worth it at this point in his career.
I'd like to hear more from the guys who have also heard of his personal use... I mean so we can compare what we have heard respectively.
(I highly doubt jay is one of the careless abusers who just take x amnt of this and x amt of that without worrying or thinking past his career on stage)...
Off topic but eating in accordance with the "anabolic diet" however NOT follwing DiPasqules recommendations to the T, is great for endogenous hormone re-setting and optimizing. i do it a few times per year to give my system a boost.
Dont eat all the saturated fat that he does. Use healthy mono and poly fats.. and the carb up shouldnt be messy
anyway back to Jay, pro's and roids...
Dont eat all the saturated fat that he does. Use healthy mono and poly fats.. and the carb up shouldnt be messy
anyway back to Jay, pro's and roids...
Dorian Yates training Craig Titus didnt exactly do much for him. Sometimes you cant teach genetics.
As far as WWE wrestlers and there cycles, I highly doubt they are working with an expert who is no more qualified then myself or any other resident guru on this board. Im convinced of this......They probably take the winny to make them "cut" and the deca to heal there joints. Simple as that. No test because they dont want the bloat. Plus, you remember that guy named "Test" with the swollen nipples.LOL I bet he took a boat load of test and frightend the other wrestlers or something stupid like that.
I mean, you really think Greg Anderson knew all that much. Id seem like an expert talking to Barry Bonds myself.
Just look at people who test positive for nandrolone? Who is giving them that advice? Not anyone with a brain.
On a side note, Guy Grundy(a pro bb) used to post on this site. Do a search and I dont think he did as much as most pros.
Markus Ruhl had a sick cycle posted somewhere once also. Basically tons of test and abombs for bulking and then winny and gh for cutting. True? False? Dont really matter. Shit if I had been more dedicated I probably could have done something with bbing and Id be telling you a couple grams of test with 600mgs deca and 50mgs dbol for bulking.
anyway.......................
As far as WWE wrestlers and there cycles, I highly doubt they are working with an expert who is no more qualified then myself or any other resident guru on this board. Im convinced of this......They probably take the winny to make them "cut" and the deca to heal there joints. Simple as that. No test because they dont want the bloat. Plus, you remember that guy named "Test" with the swollen nipples.LOL I bet he took a boat load of test and frightend the other wrestlers or something stupid like that.
I mean, you really think Greg Anderson knew all that much. Id seem like an expert talking to Barry Bonds myself.
Just look at people who test positive for nandrolone? Who is giving them that advice? Not anyone with a brain.
On a side note, Guy Grundy(a pro bb) used to post on this site. Do a search and I dont think he did as much as most pros.
Markus Ruhl had a sick cycle posted somewhere once also. Basically tons of test and abombs for bulking and then winny and gh for cutting. True? False? Dont really matter. Shit if I had been more dedicated I probably could have done something with bbing and Id be telling you a couple grams of test with 600mgs deca and 50mgs dbol for bulking.
anyway.......................
Tweakle
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Dorian's still looks solid unlike some other guys..
Much as I giggle at the 'friend of a friend' stories, my workout partner goes way back with an infamous massive canadian pro who became the poster child for Palumboism. There was a little tiny bit more to his doses than ''one dbol a day and some deca for the joints''
but none of it matters unless you have their genetics.
Much as I giggle at the 'friend of a friend' stories, my workout partner goes way back with an infamous massive canadian pro who became the poster child for Palumboism. There was a little tiny bit more to his doses than ''one dbol a day and some deca for the joints''
but none of it matters unless you have their genetics.
I forgot all about Kovacs. Another example of bbing having nothing to do with genetics........well unless genetics include taking massive amounts of juice....but I suppose in a round about way.
Id be willing to bet Arnold took the most drugs back in his prime. Id bet that of all the Mr Olympia precluding Frank Zane and Chris Dickerson.
Id be willing to bet Arnold took the most drugs back in his prime. Id bet that of all the Mr Olympia precluding Frank Zane and Chris Dickerson.
goku_kakarot77
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i read somewere , if i can still recall frank zane only used 10mgs or dballs, NM might chime in
8and20 said:
Im sure Zane used. I just think out of the Mr Olympias he probably wasnt the most juiced up at the time of his wins. I think Arnold was probably on the most gear in his hey day such as Coleman or Cutler is today or even Haney in his day.
Wasnt there rumblings not too long ago even the pro bbs thought things were getting out of hand with the juice.
BigGuyPHX
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swole said:
Good fuckin reply bro!
One thing ALL TOP PROS have in common is amazing genetics.
I vote for someone driving over to Jays house in Vegas, knock on his fuckin door, and ask him point blank "whats you cycle bitch?" If he doesnt fess up then drop kick the shit out of him in front of God and everybody.
Then again why would you give your playbook to the competition? For all we Jays a Mad Scientist mixing his DNA with Rhino piss and boiling it under a full moon while cutting the throat of a lamb.
Sorry bros Im getting ready to go out barely leagal hunting so Im a little frisky.
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chazk
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galaxy said:
If anyone was all natural and held a MrO title I would suspect it would have been Chris dickerson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwyaJ6trE9o&feature=related
His back had amazing detail , In 1982 he was so soild and chizeled he looked like a fucking work of art. Good looking guy to . Nice smile his hair wasn't falling out no viens ripping out of his face ,No bloated gut.
He just looked healthy.
People make fun of him ,people poke at his size. I like the fact he was the underdog and used his selective posing and cool angles to show his strong points (calves and triceps ) and his create the illusion of a much bigger person.
Chirs was 185lbs when he won the 1982 Mro at age 43 with nearly 20 yrs of training under his belt I could see him being all natural.
I like this video of him he went out and had fun with it , he looked like he was having a good time,smiling moon walking LOL .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbhri2bxfwE&NR=1
it was a show man he posed and got the crowd going.
chazk said:
I doubt Dickerson was natural, though a lot of guys back then just juiced when prepping for a competition and it usually consisted of a few dbols a day. Sergio said he did 200 mgs of Deca a week and and 25 mgs of Winstrol a day. Ya never know but the guy was a total freak.
Dickerson was a great poser and battled for years against Boyer Coe. I remember them going back and forth trading wins over and over. Great longevity on both their parts. Dickerson natural ???? In the youtube video you can see the gyno to a small extent. Also I think the torn pec hurt his symetry but once again his fantastic posing covers most weaknesses. Later in his career he had some elbow issues where at least one was extreamly swollen and protruded badly.
mustang_00
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i don't believe in genetics. i believe in testosterone levels!
Tatyana
Elite Mentor
mustang_00 said:
Where do you think testosterone comes from?
The test fairy comes along and injects you at night?
DNA makes RNA which makes protein.
Protein is structural as well as the enzymes, receptors, some hormones in your body.
Testosterone is derived from cholesterol, which is either synthesised in your liver or taken in due to diet (how much of each, determined by genetics), and the various enzymes convert it to test.
The size of things like testicles range significantly in size, due to what? Genetics. More testicles, more testosterone.
Test in converted in the peripheral tissues to DHT. The number of test receptors, genetic, the efficiency of the enzymes that do all this work, genetic.
Other factors that affect muscle hypertrophy, mTOR pathways, genetic, myostatin, genetic, follistatin, genetic.
How your muscles look is determined by insertions, which are guess what, genetic.
This is a gross over-simplification of some of the basic genetic factors.
There is obviously a whole interaction between the genes and the environment, but it is nature via nuture, or the expression of the genes you got influenced by the environment.
abolish the weak
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You guys want the real deal? The average top pro is spending more money a year just on pharmaceuticals than the 1st place winning amount at the Olympia. Fuck ,I got friends that haven't even placed top 5 at the Nationals who are dropping 30-40 g's/yr on juice and HGH. So figure out how many kits of GH, how many bottles of gear and insulin, along with ancillaries you could get with 100 grand. There is your answer
mustang_00 said:
There's more to muscle growth than T levels bro.
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