Jay Cutler cycle

[Nelson Montana]

AAP is right. I've spoken to a lot of pros and what strikes me hardest is something said to me by a very famous competitor: "Anything more than a gram a week doesn't seem to make a difference, but I use twice that much just in case just in case the other guy does."

And there you have it. It has nothing to do with what anyone here should do. You'll learn nothing about what's best for you from the approach of pros. You might as well ask what Tiger Woods eats for breakfast so you can be more of a golfer like him. It really has nothing to do with it.

 

[bigmusclehead]

Very hard to say for sure who does what. Pure speculation for most part.

The trouble is, if we all knew exactly what they guys do, then there are always gonna be some idiots who are going to try to copy exactly what they do and how they do it in a bid to look like them..etc.

A few pro's have spoken up about the drug abuse in the sport.

I was just reading some posts by Shawn Ray over at the MD forums the other day. I've always been a fan of Shawn's despite the fact he likes the sound of his own voice sometimes.

Anyway, he didn't actually say anything about who does what but basiclly stated that one of the reasons he retired was due to the increasing drug abuse in the sport and he didn't want to jeapordize his health to keep up with them.
Realisticlly, at 5ft 7 and 210 - 215lbs...he knew he didn't really stand a chance against the likes of the bigger guys, despite the fact that IMO he had a better physique than 90% of them!

The IFBB have a lot to blame for this because over the last 10 years, bodybuilding has basiclly been dominated by mass and sheer size. So the bigger you are, the better you are in their eyes.
Of course some of these guys have gone to extremes to keep up with the criteria and have put their health a risk to do so.

Personally, I think bodybuilding today is a joke. It's nothing more than a freak show....of course that's just my opinion so I hope none of you guys take offence to that.

However, they are gradually starting to move away from that trend which to me is a very positive step.

I believe most of the big guys do go to extremes to get to where they are in terms of drug usage. But let's not forget they all work very hard aswell...so it's not all about drugs.
For most of them, their body is their job and if they don't keep up with the criteria the IFBB set and continue to keep their placings high...they don't get paid. So then they have 2 choices: quit or try to keep up

As far as I know Jay Cutler started taking A-bombs when he was 19 years old (first cycle) and has been in the game since then!

well said. shawn should have easily have won at least 1 sandow.

 

[Nelson Montana]

well said. shawn should have easily have won at least 1 sandow.

Against whom?

 

[slat1]

I work with a few well known guru's a few times a year. I know who they work with, what they use, what they eat, and how much of everything. I also know some of their dr's too.
Without question I can tell you there are A LOT of guys on this site that use more juice than guys who are Pro's.
One of the Pro's gave me his complete diet, juice schedule... everything. It is very basic.
Sure some guys use tons of stuff. Most of them don't go far or last long.
The worst I heard was this:
-gram a day of test
-300mgs of abombs A DAY
-16ius of GH a day
*One Pro from overseas was doing that. A lot of ameteurs tried it after he told them. A few died within a year.
All in all the biggest factors are genetics, how you eat, what you eat, when you eat, how you train and sleep.
**Don't be fooled by Palumbo being the Anabolic Freak. I know his diets and schedules. Their not crazy. At least for National level competitors and IFBB Pros.

 

[the_alcatraz]

AAP is right. I've spoken to a lot of pros and what strikes me hardest is something said to me by a very famous competitor: "Anything more than a gram a week doesn't seem to make a difference, but I use twice that much just in case just in case the other guy does."

And there you have it. It has nothing to do with what anyone here should do. You'll learn nothing about what's best for you from the approach of pros. You might as well ask what Tiger Woods eats for breakfast so you can be more of a golfer like him. It really has nothing to do with it.

Good post. Agreed. I really dnt think the pros will share that kinda info.

 

[hardrock]

u can bet jay is on HGH and probably insulin.

Ya think? His chin/jaw is starting to rival that of Leno's.

 

[GUARDIAN]

hitler was using it on his soldiers to make some "super" and it was rumored that his athletes used it as well.

i think u r referring to dbol in 1958. test has been around alot longer than that. matter of fact russia had their strength athletes (for certain in the 50's) on it.

in any case, like i said i never accused any of the classics (specifically ross) to be juicing. simply that drugs were around and known about.

If there wee report about steroid use in the 1940's Olympics I'd love to see them. Zeigler invented it in 58. Pearl and the others began dabbling in the early 60's. Look at the physiques around '66 as compared to 10 years earlier and you can see the difference. But there's no doubt that Ross and Park and Reeves were natural. They look natural -- just better than the average Joe because they had freaky genetics.

 

[phillypaone]

i feel dumber after reading this post. in the English language we use commas and periods to break one complete thought into another. these complete thoughts are called sentences.

lol

 

[eddymerckx]

what did he take to get al that water on his back--must be a secret special blend

 

[Varga]

If you want to get big and stay big you need to be on year round. I don't care about genetics unless your body can in the off cycle keep test levels at 600> naturally to maintain, no amount of genetics will help you when your test levels are in the toillette.
Now, being on all the time does not mean doing 500mg of test EW but more like 100-150mg EW for a period of time then do another cycle.