Jay Cutler cycle

[Nelson Montana]

hitler was using it on his soldiers to make some "super" and it was rumored that his athletes used it as well.

i think u r referring to dbol in 1958. test has been around alot longer than that. matter of fact russia had their strength athletes (for certain in the 50's) on it.

in any case, like i said i never accused any of the classics (specifically ross) to be juicing. simply that drugs were around and known about.

WWII Germany was experimenting but to no success.

Russia was using T on its athletes which is in part why Zeigler was commissioned to create dianabol which was then considered a "safe' alternative to testosterone.

Dball didn't make it the BB world until later when Bob Hoffman introduced it to his staple of stars. (Circa 1963 for the very first and most daring to try). John Grimick took the recommended one 5mg tab a day and concluded "it did nothing" and stopped after a couple of weeks. Guys like Scott and Pearl used the outrageous dosage of 20 mgs a day and said it worked miracles.

 

[OMEGA]

from What I know there are two cycle they do ( the pros with Longevity)

1 is Off Season or MONTHS pre stage and the other is hardcore cutters for the stage

frequently see Parabolan with Primo GH and Test in the cutters

 

[bigdofba]

Don't pros need to use a lot more than someone that has just done a couple of cylce? It seems like they would

 

[chazk]

Flex is a genetic freak in terms of the "perfection" of his body shape. I bet he'd look something like this if he never juiced. http://www.thereplicators.com/images/misc/sreeves3.jpg

LOL nelson lets not take it that far !... steve reeves = flex off the juice ? LOL\
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[jacobk]

doesn't matter, and we shouldn't concern ourselves with it.

the top pros have amazing genetics, i bet they can look massive on nothing and still be bigger than most of the juicers on this forum

I Agree

 

[nzrodney]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7250618-post211.html

Thats a very good post AAP, & I reckon you are pretty on the mark, its not every pro thats doing 5g test PW or more. My friend an IFBB pro trained in Pattaya with DJ in 1999 -2000. He advocated using just plenty of test & insulin to get mass gains. How much is "plenty" we dont know but I guess you work it out for yourself.

 

[jacobk]

I saw an interview with Jay Cutler on a news show last week sometime and the guy doing the interview said, "So a lot of these drugs that have been condemed in the media so much lately are basically just a standard part of the professtional bodybuilding lifestyle." Jay was like, "Yeah, I sponsor a lot of things like Gakix, and Muscletech products, and also take a lot of protein and things like that." Thought it was kind of funny.
I remember seeing an interview with Arnold and he was really cocky on nationally broadcast interview saying things like yeah muscle building drugs I take and I mean look at my physique and tell me I'm doing something wrong. look at me. The woman interviewing him was pretty hot and he's come here, feel my bicepts. Arnold was the man.

600-800mgs of Testosterone ED
75-150mgs of Trenbolone Acetate ED
400-600mgs Equipoise ED (Keeps appetite high in order to get enough calories)

This is basically the foundation of any steroid cycle whether cutting or bulking in order to get as big as these guys. Obviously ther drugs are added in order to get more specific results. But these three at these dosages are the foundation of every cycle in most cases. These recommendations were for a beginner. Pretty crazy. Kids don't try this one at home.

 

[chazk]

this is what a pro's cycle looks like

76446 of this, 742442 of that add 1122 of this and your golden.

I have a friend who knows a friend that said he talked to a guy that walked by dorian yates in a wal mart and while dorian was talking to a guy in the sporting goods section exactly what his cycles were.

Must be true it was from a friend of a friend that walked by dorian yates and eves dropped! While dorian was talking to another guy.

LOL... know one fucking knows, and who the fuck cares.

 

[funkyfresh]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigmusclehead
well said. shawn should have easily have won at least 1 sandow.

Originally Posted by NelsonMontana
Against whom?

That's a seperate debate I guess...but I would have to agree with bigmusclehead on that one. I think Shawn Ray should have won the Olympia at least once...best bodybuilding physique I've ever seen was what he brought to the stage in 1998 or 1999. But then again, I've always appriciated the more athletic type physiques over the mass monsters.

Going back to the original topic though...the state of pro Bodybuilding today has got to be one of the unhealthiest sports out there and then they wonder why people laugh at it and immediately shout "steroids" when they see Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler on the front of some muscle magazine in a store.

I don't care what pro takes what....doesn't mean you have to go out and do the same thing or you're gonna look just like them by doing so. Why would anyone want to get that big that they can't even tie their own shoelaces?

If I'm honest, I read about some of the cycles some guys are on these days and their physiques really don't justify the amount of gear they are taking. IMO it isn't worth it.
If you don't have the genetics to begin with, you're gonna struggle.

 

[AAP]

If you ever looked at the Signature Pharm busts that netted all the WWE wrestlers... 90% of them were all on winstrol and deca. (some with GH) . Hardly no one was using test.

So tell me who has a bigger recovery need. Pro BBers who do anything but eat and sleep all day and some training or WWE wrestlers who run their bodies through the wringer twice a week?

The point is, most of the WWE wrestlers had above average physiques while using the most unconvential cycle out there? Obviously they were working with some expert that knew his shit.