Jay Cutler cycle

[GUARDIAN]

Very impressive considering the time period, what they knew about training/diet and no drugs.

drugs were used as far back as Bill Pearl. he was one of the first that was (open about it anyways). that was in the 50's.

 

[KD1]

drugs were used as far back as Bill Pearl. he was one of the first that was (open about it anyways). that was in the 50's.

Yeah well those photos were taken in 1945.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Yeah well those photos were taken in 1945.

like i said he was one of the first that was open about it. there were even reports of athletes using it in the olympics in the 40's. i am not accusing Mr. Ross of not being natural just objecting to your statement that they knew nothing of drugs. Come on now.

 

[trapjaw]

Very hard to say for sure who does what. Pure speculation for most part.

The trouble is, if we all knew exactly what they guys do, then there are always gonna be some idiots who are going to try to copy exactly what they do and how they do it in a bid to look like them..etc.

A few pro's have spoken up about the drug abuse in the sport.

I was just reading some posts by Shawn Ray over at the MD forums the other day. I've always been a fan of Shawn's despite the fact he likes the sound of his own voice sometimes.

Anyway, he didn't actually say anything about who does what but basiclly stated that one of the reasons he retired was due to the increasing drug abuse in the sport and he didn't want to jeapordize his health to keep up with them.
Realisticlly, at 5ft 7 and 210 - 215lbs...he knew he didn't really stand a chance against the likes of the bigger guys, despite the fact that IMO he had a better physique than 90% of them!

The IFBB have a lot to blame for this because over the last 10 years, bodybuilding has basiclly been dominated by mass and sheer size. So the bigger you are, the better you are in their eyes.
Of course some of these guys have gone to extremes to keep up with the criteria and have put their health a risk to do so.

Personally, I think bodybuilding today is a joke. It's nothing more than a freak show....of course that's just my opinion so I hope none of you guys take offence to that.

However, they are gradually starting to move away from that trend which to me is a very positive step.

I believe most of the big guys do go to extremes to get to where they are in terms of drug usage. But let's not forget they all work very hard aswell...so it's not all about drugs.
For most of them, their body is their job and if they don't keep up with the criteria the IFBB set and continue to keep their placings high...they don't get paid. So then they have 2 choices: quit or try to keep up

As far as I know Jay Cutler started taking A-bombs when he was 19 years old (first cycle) and has been in the game since then!

I agree 100 % nothin but a freak show shawn ray and kevinf levrone were two of my favs who never won shawn ray had a near perfect body and was pretty much always spot on....Its crazy these days look at guys like trey brewer goin up to like 325 in the off season to put on all that mass thats not healthy at all insane if you ask a lot o juicin and a lot of eatin that boy does....IMO

 

[trapjaw]

Cutler was a big fucker even in high school
Genetics are reason numero Uno
I personally have trained with Jay a few times(well 2 times) and he hinted that he really isnt on "the shit"(his words) unless he is in his 16 week precontest mode. Hence the reason he tends to pack on more msucle during that time.
Whatever that means.

And you beleives him right....ALL PROS JUICE AND ALOT!!!

 

[advanced-stealth]

Good point.

doesn't matter, and we shouldn't concern ourselves with it.

the top pros have amazing genetics, i bet they can look massive on nothing and still be bigger than most of the juicers on this forum

 

[Nelson Montana]

like i said he was one of the first that was open about it. there were even reports of athletes using it in the olympics in the 40's. i am not accusing Mr. Ross of not being natural just objecting to your statement that they knew nothing of drugs. Come on now.

If there wee report about steroid use in the 1940's Olympics I'd love to see them. Zeigler invented it in 58. Pearl and the others began dabbling in the early 60's. Look at the physiques around '66 as compared to 10 years earlier and you can see the difference. But there's no doubt that Ross and Park and Reeves were natural. They look natural -- just better than the average Joe because they had freaky genetics.

 

[chaos13]

wasn't hilter juicing up german Olympicans when the olympics were in berlin???

 

[timtim]

I agree 100 % nothin but a freak show shawn ray and kevinf levrone were two of my favs who never won shawn ray had a near perfect body and was pretty much always spot on....Its crazy these days look at guys like trey brewer goin up to like 325 in the off season to put on all that mass thats not healthy at all insane if you ask a lot o juicin and a lot of eatin that boy does....IMO

i feel dumber after reading this post. in the English language we use commas and periods to break one complete thought into another. these complete thoughts are called sentences.

 

[timtim]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7250618-post211.html

AAP you are a sexy fucking bitch when you find past posts like that.