Jay Cutler cycle

[GUARDIAN]

gosh u would of thought that they would of stayed away from winny. i personally never had issue with my joints from it but lots say they do. but then again the deca is probably lubing up the joints for them and hence their combo.

winny is a good choice with nandrolones in general imo.

If you ever looked at the Signature Pharm busts that netted all the WWE wrestlers... 90% of them were all on winstrol and deca. (some with GH) . Hardly no one was using test.

So tell me who has a bigger recovery need. Pro BBers who do anything but eat and sleep all day and some training or WWE wrestlers who run their bodies through the wringer twice a week?

The point is, most of the WWE wrestlers had above average physiques while using the most unconvential cycle out there? Obviously they were working with some expert that knew his shit.

 

[lartinos]

i think his weakness was his big mouth lol -

i think you're right

 

[pudzian2]

This is a bit late to chime in but Ive heard form someone who knew cutler personally that he did in fact cycle pretty hard. I venture to agree that he "hinted" at only using maybe 16 weeks pre-contest.. HOWEVER i think that he uses GH and slin year round to maintain his muscle in the off season......

I mean he cant really hide it.. In his video from Jay to Z he has a mini (drug) fridge next to his bathroom sink...his wife is a nurse... I mean c'mon.

In other videos you can SEE the slin and whatever else in the fridge....(one can make out that its humalog, humalin R and looks like a vial or two of GH...

oh and not to mention the saw palmetto, milk thistle, cranberry etc etc he points out from his supplement arsenal.

I think Jay is well rounded guy, and an intelligent individual. He say's he is healthy and I believe it. yes the GH took a toll on his facial structure but Im sure he thinks it's worth it at this point in his career.

I'd like to hear more from the guys who have also heard of his personal use... I mean so we can compare what we have heard respectively.

(I highly doubt jay is one of the careless abusers who just take x amnt of this and x amt of that without worrying or thinking past his career on stage)...

 

[slat1]

If you want to get big and stay big you need to be on year round. I don't care about genetics unless your body can in the off cycle keep test levels at 600> naturally to maintain, no amount of genetics will help you when your test levels are in the toillette.
Now, being on all the time does not mean doing 500mg of test EW but more like 100-150mg EW for a period of time then do another cycle.

My test levels are 302ng/dl and I can hold 265 with abs no problem...

 

[slat1]

Thats a very good post AAP, & I reckon you are pretty on the mark, its not every pro thats doing 5g test PW or more. My friend an IFBB pro trained in Pattaya with DJ in 1999 -2000. He advocated using just plenty of test & insulin to get mass gains. How much is "plenty" we dont know but I guess you work it out for yourself.

DJ uses a lot. I have seen his schedule. Other people have died using what he uses.

 

[pudzian2]

as in "the blade"?? is that the DJ you are referring to???

 

[Varga]

My test levels are 302ng/dl and I can hold 265 with abs no problem...

Great that works for you bro but it does not do shit for me. I need my levels to be around 600 to have a decent workout and feel good. Maybe I'm over my genetic limit way too much...who knows

 

[pudzian2]

Off topic but eating in accordance with the "anabolic diet" however NOT follwing DiPasqules recommendations to the T, is great for endogenous hormone re-setting and optimizing. i do it a few times per year to give my system a boost.

Dont eat all the saturated fat that he does. Use healthy mono and poly fats.. and the carb up shouldnt be messy

anyway back to Jay, pro's and roids...

 

[tropo]

as said above its all speculation on the specifics. But the top pros ie ronnie, jay etc. You bet your ass are running upwards of 3-5 gs of test a week and up to 20 iu ED of gh. And god knows how much insulin and other compounds are used.
IMO 20 or 30 years from now when the top pros of today are old and shriveled someone will tell exactly what they were on.

Talking about old and shriveled, I got a big shock when I saw Dorian Yates on Jay Cutler's new DVD "Jay Cutler from Jay to Z". He has his arm in a sling, and looking very old and skinny.

 

[GUARDIAN]

if u look at the new flex he is training mark dugdale. he lifts his shirt for an ab shot and he is still got all 8.

Talking about old and shriveled, I got a big shock when I saw Dorian Yates on Jay Cutler's new DVD "Jay Cutler from Jay to Z". He has his arm in a sling, and looking very old and skinny.