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I've decided to start lifting... however will it take me years to see any progress?

NormanNormal

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OK.. I've been weak and puny all my life and I have decided to start bulking. I currently weigh 110lbs at 5'7". Yes I am as thin as a stick. I want to change though. at first I just wanted to gain fat because it seemed easier but I realise how dumb that is now.

I have pretty much never lifted seriously before in my life. The only time I did was as a freshman in highschool about 5 years ago. I was so small everyone would make fun of me about how they could easily "cave my chest in" or "snap my arms like a twig".

from what I can remember back then I could only lift the 45lbs bar that was it. I have a feeling its not much different now. to give you an idea how weak i am I can only do about 2-3 real push ups and I dont weigh that much.

so my real question is can I expect to make any real progress in less than a year if I do serious bulking/lifting? my friend who has been lifting for a few years now said that it will take at least 12 months before I see any progress at all in strength/size given my current phsyical shape. this news is quite a demotivator. I plan on eating everything I can, 6 meals a day and workout 3 days a week.

thanks in advance.
 
Actually you should see some progress after 8-12 weeks if you stay consistant. This will be an exiting time for you because you should make enormous gains. Just stick with it stay focused and you will reap great benefits.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
my current goal is to gain 20lbs and weigh 130.. I know that is still skinny but its a hell of a lot better than what I weigh now! I think I would be extremely happy if I could gain 20lbs in less than a year.
 
The key is don't give up on yourself. It will take sometime but you can make some gains in 6 months. Being consistent with your training. When I first started training I could only bench 95lb's but over about 6months I was benching 160 for some good reps. Now that might not seem like a big gain but it was for me.

Eating is a big key to gaining muscle. You can put on fat easy but who wants that hehe. When I started working out I thought I could just eat anything and gain weight. Boy I was wrong. I had to get used to eating 6 meals a day with good protein and carbs. But once I did I could feel the hardness in my muscles when I worked out. They felt solid. So I guess what I'm saying is read the boards and get some books on bodybuilding and set up a good plan of attack.

Hope this helped some.
 
Dude enjoy the gains. The first year can be the best as long as your nutrition is on and you're forcing the muscles to adapt with progressive resistance. If I was still gaining the way I did when I first started I'd be putting Cutler to shame..umm..not really but you get the idea.
 
personally i think u should not set any goals for now. just start eating tons of food, make sure you get sufficient protein, and search some of the posts on this board for a workout regimine you like and youll start seeing gains. but u gotta make sure you eat enough and sleep enough to repair your body. im glad u came here cuz there is tons of info on this forum and its all free. good luck.
 
thanks for the advice guys..

I'm definitely not trying to get huge or anything because I know that won't happen. its not in my genetics, both my parents are very small (i'm tallker than them actually) so I have a small frame to start with.

I just want to gain some weight, look NORMAL, and have a decent amount of strength. (I'd be thrilled to be able to bench 100lbs)
 
shit man, if u stick with it you could be big. genetics arent impassible, just a temporary road block. knock that road block down and youll be on yer way.
 
Yeah dude, listen to what all these guys are saying........they are true to this game and we all help one another out in any way possible. When I first started working out I was 5'10", 135lbs.......SUPER SKINNY and sickly looking. I could only bench 95 lbs and hated the way I looked. Now after about 5 to 6 years of total overall lifting and 2 to 3 hardcore, I am 6'2"(you won't grow taller lifting of course lol) but I am now 221lbs. Don't give up on it, and stick with it. Once you start seeing any results you will fall in love with this weight-game BELIEVE ME, b/c that's how it was for me when I first started. It did take a while but if you hit it hard, eat, eat, and what's that one other thing, oh yeah eat! plus get your rest every night and don't abuse your body by any means, you should see progress in 4 to 6 weeks. Not life altering change but you will see change. Just the sore muscles made me feel good b/c I knew something was changing. Don't worry bro you will grow, take it from a mirror image of you back when I was young. It happens, all it takes is YOU to get with it and stick with it and remember "PAIN DON'T HURT" Good luck bro!
 
at 19 i weighed 115 pounds, i reached my heaviest 280 after i turned 50.

Heres some important info.What is the most anabolic substance known to man? If you said food then you are 100 percent correct. It is absolutely impossible to put muscle on without enough nutrients to support the process. You can train day after day, month after month, and still see absolutely nothing new in the mirror if you are not eating enough.

Taking this into consideration, it would stand to reason that the more food you consume, the higher an anabolic response your body will have after a brutal workout. So if you were looking for a muscle building magic bullet then you have no further to look than your refrigerator! Go stand in your kitchen for a minute. Look around, you are completely surrounded by the most anabolic substance in the world! You can almost feel its power as if the cabinets were about to explode. For if you consume the correct amount of macronutrients you will undoubtedly experience a surge of muscle growth that you never imagined possible!

Everything I have ever done has been to the extreme. Whether at work or play I have always attempted to break barriers. I believe that this is the mentality a bodybuilder must have if he/she is to succeed! Therefore, you can imagine what transpired when I first discovered the anabolic power of food. I stuffed myself with it!

Make no mistake about it, you will never become huge on 2,500 calories a day! No matter what any sell out magazine tells you. I know that allot of you are thinking, " what about my abs? I don't want to lose sight of them." Have you ever seen pro bodybuilders in the off season? They are tanks! Lee Priest competes at 225 and has gotten up to 300 pounds in the off season. While I am not going to ask you to go to these extremes, you must sacrifice by gaining a small amount of fat if you ever hope to add serious muscle mass. Guess what? When you diet the fat off after a bulk, your abs will still be there, and with them, a whole new layer of lean muscle mass that you can show off at the beach! Remember bodybuilding is a process of building the body up and then chiseling it down again. You must understand that you cannot build anything without the proper materials and that is what "Diet" is all About. Here's what I am going to do, I will post a mass building diet that is meant to build muscle, while keeping fat gain to a minimum. I will accomplish this by sticking with extremely clean eating!
Components :



Protein - I can talk all day long about the importance of protein! But I will sum it up by saying that this macronutrient contains the building blocks of muscle tissue! Without the proper amount of protein you can kiss muscle gains goodbye! I would recommend a minimum of 1 to 1.5 grams per pound of body weight a day from sources such as chicken, fish, turkey, steak, skim milk, egg whites and protein powders. Therefore, if you weigh 200 pounds, you should consume 200 to 300 grams per day. Lastly, I would stay away from foods such as bacon and ribs. All the meat you eat should be lean.

Carbohydrates - Obviously you cannot induce muscle growth without intense workouts. Well, there is no way that you can train at an optimal level without the bodies chief source of fuel. The Carbohydrate. This macronutrient not only fuels us, but it releases one of the body's most anabolic hormones in response to its ingestion. This hormone is called insulin, and it increases the uptake of protein into our muscles tremendously. Carbs also spare protein so that it can be used to build muscle as opposed to being burned as energy (see note). You should consume 2.5 to 3.5 g of carbohydrates a day. That said, a 200 pound man would consume 500 to 700 grams of carbs a day from complex carbohydrates such oatmeal, and wheat bread.

Note: The body has the capability to convert other macros into glucose. Such a process is known as gluconeogenesis. Mr. Knowlden discusses this in The Window Of Opportunity. Here is an excerpt:

Cortisol literally converts muscle tissue to proteins for conversion into glucose. This is your body’s way of producing energy when all readily available energy (glucose) and stored forms (glycogen) of energy have been expended. To compensate for this depletion of energy, your body will go into a process called gluconeogenesis to produce glucose from amino acids in the liver. The end result of this process? Hard earned muscle used as energy, and all potential gains becoming null and void.

Essential Fatty Acids - Fat intake, namely from EFA's, are vital to your progress. Essential Fatty Acids help with countless areas in our bodybuilding lifestyle. For more information on this, refer to, Essential Fatty Acids - An In Depth Analysis.

Calculating Your Calories

I discuss caloric calculation in 13 weeks to burning fat the diet. You can go to the exact section by clicking here. Once there, find the amount of calories it would take to maintain your current bodyweight. Here is what you must understand: even though food is extremely anabolic, a general rule of thumb, is that the higher you raise your caloric intake, the more fat you will store. You can minimize this through clean eating, and slowly raising your calories. For example, say your maintenance is 3, 000 calories per day, you might tack on an additional 250 calories the first week to increase muscular gains. On that low an increase, fat gain will be negligible to non-existent! If weight gain fails, then increase your intake slowly again.

Sample Meal Plan

The following diet is over 4,500 calories, you will of course adjust it to your daily needs as calculated above.

Meal One
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

5 egg whites
60
0
18
0

2 whole eggs
144
0
12
10

1 cup Oatmeal 300
54
10
6

1 medium sized apple
90
23
1
0

Total
594
77
41
16




Meal Two
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

7 oz chicken breast 217 0 45 4
1 cup Oatmeal 300
54
10
6

Total
517 54 55 10



Meal Three
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

6 oz Tuna
186 0 39 3
4 slices wheat. bread 440 104 8 2
Total
626 104 47 5



Meal Four (PW shake)
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

45 Grms Dextrose 180 45 0 0
45 Grms Dextrose 180 45 0 0
46 grams of Whey
220 6 46 3
Total
580 96 46
3




Meal Five
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

1 Cup of Oatmeal 300
54
10
6

1 Large Sweat Potato 150 35 3 1
2 turkey Burgers 260 2 48 6
Total
710 91 61 13



Meal Six
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

8 oz fish 258 0 45 9
1 Large Sweat Potato 150 35 3 1
Total
408 35 48 10



Meal Seven
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

8 oz fish 258 0 45 9
2 or 3:1 ratio N3-N6 EFA'S--2 table spoons 250 0 0 25
Assorted Greens 40 6 2 1
Total
548 6 47 35



Meal Eight
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

1 Cup Cottage Cheese 220 5 45 2
2 or 3:1 ratio N3-N6 EFA'S--2 table spoons 250 0 0 25
Assorted Greens 40 6 2 1
Total
510 11 47 28



Daily Totals
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

Nutrient Grams
4,500
474
392
120


This articles was meant to build a solid foundation. A foundation based on the following fact: " If you want to be one of the Big Boys you've got to eat like the big boys!"



Now its "Time to get big"

RADAR
 
hey i started at 5'6" at 115 lbs so almost as skinny as you :P. i gained 10-15lbs in 2 months and after a year was 150lbs and 2x as strong using crappy ass training methods but doing my best to eat more and eat healthy. I'm no expert, but the 5x5 that madcow2 advocates around here i think would be a great routine to start off with.
 
Don't FRET! GhettoStudMuffin is HERE!

You're still young and from what I can tell you're probably 19-21.

That's means you're still not fully matured physically.

I'm 24 and weight 213-214lbs right now, but back in high school I could never get heavier than 168lbs no matter how much I ate. Just wouldn't happen.

By the time I was 20 my average bodyweight was 180lbs not even lifting. Now Im 24 and it's 200lbs when not lifting and it ain't all fat.

What I'm trying to say is that you will thicken up some more and put on some weight in the next 3-5 years and not all of it will be fat, but muscle and bone density.

You could put on 50lbs in a year naturally if you EAT like a madman, eating mostly good food, just HUGE quantities of it and lift like a madman 3-5 times a week and constantly strive to get stronger.

One thing I have see no one really talk about is SLEEP! Become a SLEEP FIEND! Sleep 9-10 hours every night, EAT like a madman, train like a madman 3-5 days a week and YOU WILL GROW FAST!

Believe in yourself. Gaining weight is EASY when you EAT ALOT and TRAIN HARD!
 
I want to thank everyone for their advice so far. Especially radar and GhettoStudMuffin.. very good info. I now feel better about doing this, i'm going to work hard. thanks again
 
just dont give up and if you have any questions at all im sure someone here can answer it. good luck
 
You can see results in 2 weeks.

with respect to diet, eat everything. If you have a cafeteria plan, maximize that shit! no less than 2 plates of food per meal

Buy a decent weight gainer and use it when you can't get solid food. If you're doing everything correctly, you should frequently be eating when not hungry.

You can put on muscle weight very quickly doing this, especially considering how skinny you currently are
 
Neo22 said:
welcome to the board norman.


RADAR---

CLEARLY one of the most impressive posts this site has ever seen.....Great info, brought across in such a manner to teach everyone new tons of things......



For all you "NEWER" bro's---that pic in RADAR's post is ACTUALLY HIM--WHEN HE WAS 49 YEARS OLD!!!!!!!

you should pay attention when you are lucky enough to read his posts!!!!
 
Re: I've decided to start lifting... however will it take me years to see any progres

Yes, great post radar. I'm glad that I got to read that!!
 
Like casualbb said, you should start to notice results within a couple of weeks: a general firming up. Within a couple more weeks you find odd little muscles you never suspected existed and a girlfriend or similar will be noticing changes. After about three months people close to you will notice that you've changed. Six months onwards and anyone will be able to tell that you work out. After about a year you'll be unable to hide it.
 
Great posts! I myself was 105-115lbs when I started lifting. I couldnt bench the bar unassisted. At my peak of 203lbs I nearly doubled my starting weight and bench strength was 9X what I started at. I did this without drugs, only supplements you can get at GNC. Some worked better then others, most helped none at all. Ive been training nearly 11 years now, so it takes time,perserverance and hard work. You have to be willing to make this your new lifestyle, and a huge part of that is eating. It takes alot longer without the drugs, but ALOT of size can be gained with patience,hard work,consistancy and eating. I gain very slow, and lose size very fast, but all the gains add up over the years. Only by being consistent was I able to maintain any of my gains. Consistent for me was only a week missed in 9 years of straight training. And that was due to some unplanned event. After some injuries I had no choice but to lay off some. The best motivation for me personally was to chart my measurement relaxed and flexed every year. Keep records of bodyweight and increases etc. Body fat percentage I didnt bother with since I started with bone, and it was hard for me to gain anything, including fat. I would just record your flexed and relaxed measurements once per year with pictures if possible. This motivated me alot. The measurements were very important since I couldnt see the increases in pictures alone. Ultimately you have to find what drives you to do this and dig down deep to lift weights consistently and get your meals in. Force feeding is the hardest part of this for me, and my weakest point. Bad nerves and stomache make eating undesirable for me. I prefer not to eat. Also I can only hold so much food. But it is possible. You just have to find ways. Ive found milk to be very helpful for me. 1/2 a gallon a day, or even a gallon a day will help alot with your calories and protein. Protein shakes are also very useful, but be sure to get in some solid foods as well. Peanut butter,string cheese, sliced meats are some easy non cook solutions. I dont eat many sit down type meals per day. I drink 1/2 a gallon to a gallon of milk per day and peanut butter,string cheese,sliced meats, plus maybe one sit down meal and a protein shake. Most of my intake is from my refridgerator on my desk. Non cook foods throughout the entire day. Thats the way Ive found to get my meals in. Eventually youll find ways to accomplish your goals the longer you stay with it. The boards are a great place for information and encouragement. Also helps to record all your meals in a notebook along with some key information like bodyweight and certain routines you may want to list. I list all of mine now. All the information is very helpful to look back on, and also serves as motivation to improve. Keep at it!
 
Getting back to the topic: The gains are very gradual. They wont all hit you at some set time point. Thats why the measurements and pictures help to see the improvements. Its so gradual you wont likely notice it. My growth was very slow. But depending on how your body reacts to the training, and how you feed it you can see results within a few months. These are not massive increases, but over time it adds up. You will have to adapt your training accordingly to stimulate the larger amount of muscle, as well as more food. Over time I increased my intensity and even volume (which was already high) because I need to really destroy the target muscle to see any type of response. This is highly individual however, so dont get discouraged when you reach plateaus. Often a small change in the routine, or just time itself will take care of the plateau. Time with hard training and eating, I mean.
 
Thank you soo soo sooo very much for all this. It seems like you have been in my shoes. Radar what a great post, it makes hanging out here all worth it. I will post my current and progress pictures soon. Thank you once again for all the great posts. I wish i can meet some of you in person.
 
Wow this post really came back from the dead. I logged on here after a long time and my jaw dropped to the floor when I saw the thread I started 7 months ago on the FIRST PAGE!

Anyway I don't have much good news to report. :( After I started this thread I started lifting and eating a very clean 6 meal a day diet at exact times, ect. I lifted for about two months until I hurt my leg and I started getting burnt out on my extrememly clean and supplement heavy diet. It was all just too much for me and I had made almost no strength gains whatsoever in 2 months. I had gained about 10lbs but I swear it was all water weight or it went to my gut. I compared before and after pictures and all I saw was a bigger stomach.

That basicly got me so frustrated and depressed I just gave up. I lifted on and off for the next 5 months but nothing serious. I ended up losing all of the gains I had made in ONE WEEK. I went back to my original weight so fast it was incredible.

I am going to make a round number two here... I think my problem was my extrememly clean diet with all boring plain foods and I only ate 2.6K - 3K calories a day which barely got me .5lbs a week if I was lucky.

I think I need up to 4K cals and ate whatever nessassary to get my cals for the day because I can't put on any type of weight. In my old 1x bodypart a week routine I gained no strength. I am going to try the madcow 5x5 routine for beginners and eat 4k cals or so.

My current stats are 5'8" 105lbs, depressing huh? My measurements are 13.5" neck, 31.5" chest, 16" quads, 27" waist, 8.5" biceps.. its really bad.

Thanks for all the help guys
 
WalkingBeast said:
Great posts! I myself was 105-115lbs when I started lifting. I couldnt bench the bar unassisted. At my peak of 203lbs I nearly doubled my starting weight and bench strength was 9X what I started at. I did this without drugs, only supplements you can get at GNC. Some worked better then others, most helped none at all. Ive been training nearly 11 years now, so it takes time,perserverance and hard work. You have to be willing to make this your new lifestyle, and a huge part of that is eating. It takes alot longer without the drugs, but ALOT of size can be gained with patience,hard work,consistancy and eating. I gain very slow, and lose size very fast, but all the gains add up over the years. Only by being consistent was I able to maintain any of my gains. Consistent for me was only a week missed in 9 years of straight training. And that was due to some unplanned event. After some injuries I had no choice but to lay off some. The best motivation for me personally was to chart my measurement relaxed and flexed every year. Keep records of bodyweight and increases etc. Body fat percentage I didnt bother with since I started with bone, and it was hard for me to gain anything, including fat. I would just record your flexed and relaxed measurements once per year with pictures if possible. This motivated me alot. The measurements were very important since I couldnt see the increases in pictures alone. Ultimately you have to find what drives you to do this and dig down deep to lift weights consistently and get your meals in. Force feeding is the hardest part of this for me, and my weakest point. Bad nerves and stomache make eating undesirable for me. I prefer not to eat. Also I can only hold so much food. But it is possible. You just have to find ways. Ive found milk to be very helpful for me. 1/2 a gallon a day, or even a gallon a day will help alot with your calories and protein. Protein shakes are also very useful, but be sure to get in some solid foods as well. Peanut butter,string cheese, sliced meats are some easy non cook solutions. I dont eat many sit down type meals per day. I drink 1/2 a gallon to a gallon of milk per day and peanut butter,string cheese,sliced meats, plus maybe one sit down meal and a protein shake. Most of my intake is from my refridgerator on my desk. Non cook foods throughout the entire day. Thats the way Ive found to get my meals in. Eventually youll find ways to accomplish your goals the longer you stay with it. The boards are a great place for information and encouragement. Also helps to record all your meals in a notebook along with some key information like bodyweight and certain routines you may want to list. I list all of mine now. All the information is very helpful to look back on, and also serves as motivation to improve. Keep at it!

Man this post is here best in the thread... I am glad to see someone out there was like me at one point and the progress you have made. I too have that same problem with eating food.. I just can't stuff myself and I don't like eating period. I don't like a ton of solid food. the only way I can get lots of cals in one day if half of it is from liquid cals, I need something like big 1000cal shakes to get anywhere I believe.

Question... in your first year when you couldnt bench the bar and weighed 105 who much did you gain in your first year? Thanks so much friend.
 
Re: I've decided to start lifting... however will it take me years to see any progres

NormanNormal said:
It was all just too much for me and I had made almost no strength gains whatsoever in 2 months. I had gained about 10lbs but I swear it was all water weight or it went to my gut. I compared before and after pictures and all I saw was a bigger stomach.

The fact that you gained weight means that there were enough calories to support some muscle growth (i.e. caloric excess must be present and obviously it was because you gained something - fat or muscle or some combo, you will gain something). Whether those calories are clean or not doesn't mean too much, you need a decent balance of nutrients and more than your body requires to currently maintain itself. So if eating clean makes you feel good then you are doing something for your health but no amount of cleanliness can make up for caloric excess and to be honest, cleanliness isn't all that important as long as the diet is reasonable (i.e. lots of people have put on a lot of muscle eating relative garbage).

The point where you made no strength gains and only saw it in your gut points to your workout program not being setup properly to increase your capacity in the lifts (i.e. muscles get bigger to make themselves stronger).

So, your diet was good enough to supply some extra cals but your training and program didn't stimulate any strength or muscle gain (and it's not just a matter of working hard, it's working smart so better to use the door knob than give yourself brain damage raming your head through if you get my drift). Rather than stress too much over your diet, why don't you try something that is time tested and has worked accross just about every bodytype, gender, and genetic makeup. If it doesn't look like most BBing programs to you, now you know why it works. Lots of people in this forum have adopted similar templates after having a lot of success training like this.

Here's a program: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4497774&postcount=15
Here's something that goes into more detail on diet: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4866519&postcount=465
Here's writeups on the squat, bench, and dead - very good ones so read them thoroughly: http://www.midwestbarbell.com/totalelite/index.php?showtopic=14
Here's a thread with a lot of information and some links to videos for the lifts and other programs and such: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375215
 
madcow thanks for the reply. That was the exact program I was going to try. You seem to have a lot of respect around here so I'll take your advice very much to heart.

I did gain weight but I will tell you I think most of it was just simply from having a load of food in me all the time. after 7 days of eating normal again it all went away. I did seem to gain about .5lbs every week or two but I honestly don't believe I was eating enough.

What do you think about trying 4K cals? I think it was a combo of not enough cals and a poor training program that did it. I was just not eating enough, I have a problem with eating a lot of food. I just plain don't like to eat. I however don't mind drinkin shakes and such. I think I need to use my blender and drink maybe 3 of 1K cal shakes a day to get anywhere.

Would it be OK if I PMed you some pics so you know who you are working with? Thanks again
 
NormanNormal said:
Man this post is here best in the thread... I am glad to see someone out there was like me at one point and the progress you have made. I too have that same problem with eating food.. I just can't stuff myself and I don't like eating period. I don't like a ton of solid food. the only way I can get lots of cals in one day if half of it is from liquid cals, I need something like big 1000cal shakes to get anywhere I believe.

Question... in your first year when you couldnt bench the bar and weighed 105 who much did you gain in your first year? Thanks so much friend.


Glad to help. I wouldnt reccomend a clean diet for growth purposes. Health is another issue. My method has always been to eat everything with little discrimination. The goal was X amount of protein,calories and carbs per day, and exceeding that goal was even better. So I wouldnt fill up on sweets or refined sugars, or anything that might take away too much from my protein intake. Ive tried a cleaner diet and its never worked for me personally. Ive gained much more with a non discriminate approach to eating. Just getting it in. If I follow any conventions its by coincidence, as Im mostly nocturnal and dont cook much. I just train very hard (high volume/high intensity), eat all I can (try to atleast) and remain consistent. I too lose muscle at a rapid rate and gain VERY slow. But it does add up. I estimate my arms were around 10" when I started, but seeing your measurements with similiar stats, its possible I was around the same. I didnt measure in the beginning. I dont think I measured until my arms reached 14". Which took 2-3 years:


At 16 years old

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Eventually your stomache will stretch somewhat from force feeding. It helps to split up your meals somewhat. But for me personally I eat massive meals. And at a slow pace. I may consume 130 grams of protein at a buffet over 2-4 hours time. That will be most of my intake for the day. Ill add 1/2 a gallon of milk on those days and maybe a protein shake, possibly some string cheese,peanut butter and extras as well. Few meals suits me better. The amount of food I consume is what seems to effect my growth. Not how I get it in. I believe that the food in your stomache will be used effectively to build muscle with hard training. Even if Im storing 130 grams of protein ,aslong as Im not shitting it out,pissing it out, I can feel it being used. Many protein powders I cant digest, so finding the right ones is important. If it goes right through me its worthless. So avoid supplements like that. Experimentation to find whats best for you is needed. But dont fear the workload. Id start with a high volume routine and see how that works out for you. You can always lower the volume (amount of sets) later, or tweak the rep ranges. Heres the routine I started on and still use today (though heavily modified):

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=308120

If you decide to try that, or have any questions just PM me or post them in the thread. Its a slow process that takes alot of patience, but if you stay with it, train hard and consistent and eat all you can youll see results over time. In the beginning, when I started I hardly ate anything. Maybe one meal a day (nachos). I still managed to rack most of the pin loaded machines for 12-15 reps at around 140-150lbs. This was mental strength I believe. Intensity and mental drive will push you to your goals. I started off with weightgainers that would often make me vomit at both ends. I would even eat the residue with a spoon. Im not sure they helped much at all. But that was all part of the learning process. Youll likely make gains even on a shitty diet in the beginning, with hard training. Mostly strength gains initially,but some size will likely follow. I didnt have any money back then to buy food. Looking back, had I the resources and dedication in my diet I wouldve accelerated my growth a good deal faster. I also biked 7 miles each way to the gym for transportation,eventually even moving furniture ontop of that. I did the furniture moving at 5$ an hour just for the food money. Which I consumed quickly. Eventually I snapped that motherfuckers arm and work came to an end. The main thing for now is keep at it. Eat as much as you can. Writing meals down helped me ALOT. KEEP KILLING THAT SHIT!!
 
great replies guys....and norman....id have to disagree with your friend, i made my best gains in my first year, especially my first 6 months....granted i really gave it my all, i still put on about 20 pounds of muscle in the first 6 months. i was very skinny too. get ready to make your friend jealous
 
Re: I've decided to start lifting... however will it take me years to see any progres

Yeah great post radar. Yes you should see some great gains, that is as long as you train hard, eat right, and get some sleep. Happy liftig :)
 
Re: I've decided to start lifting... however will it take me years to see any progres

ive been working out 3 months
and people have noticed the difference so far
 
Re: I've decided to start lifting... however will it take me years to see any progres

I've just realised this thread is a year old.

Are you still around NormanNormal?
 
Re: I've decided to start lifting... however will it take me years to see any progres

I just noticed that also. I was going to suggest to start easy doing pushups, tryingto increase the number each week, same with dips and pull ups. With such a small frame if he added some strength training he'd probably see results fast and most likley be really f'n riped.

Sometimes people want results too fast and instead of looking at the big picture they look week to week and get discouraged.
 
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