Is Winstrol making me heavier??

[Mr.X]

Just because that study doesn't show fat loss with var that doesn't mean it doesn't happen .

Yes , jenectiv is not god , he is just a a person , but he made some SOLID , and VALID points . IMO , that explanation is just as good as a study to prove that AAS in general , specially tesotsterone will help you lose fat .



Victor

Victor,

In this situation, I have seen studies for minor factors, but for subcutaneous fat, I have never seen any. Again, "I'd like to see a study done on a bodybuilder (HUMAN) that shows the decrease of subcutaneous fat due to the use of Anavar - same for visceral fat. However, to me, visceral fat, which is the fat buried beneath the muscles is NOT as important as the Sub-Q bodyfat due to the obvious cosmetic nature of this particular question (not a health question). "

Quoting someone's "views" is not a good way to represent a point and is VERY misleading.

Mr.X

 

[VictorBR]

I see ,

but he made some very good points , that cannot be overlooked .

Whatever , I won't search for studies , to show you , to try to prove to you .

I simply believe that AAS in general can help you lose fat , can accelerate fat loss . A LOT of bros here that really know their shit already said that AAS is catabolic to adipose tissue .

I don't believe in this just because jenectic said , I believe in this because It happens to me . Whenever I am cutting without drugs , yes I lose fat , but then , when I am cutting with winstroll and equipoise , I lose fat almost twice as faster . And I always follow the same diet when cutting .

We just disagree , you don't think AAS can help you lose fat , I think it can .

And that is it .


Victor

 

[ogilthorpe]

I think its clear from the back and forth that if steroids affect fat loss (I'm not saying they do) then it is very marginal compared to the importance of diet. With all due respect to victorbr, I think from a practical standpoint Mr. X makes the big picture point that you cannot simply rely on steroids to get you lean-in the case at hand Winstrol. Diet, and for some cardio, is the major factor. People use steroids like Winstrol, Anavar, and Primo not as their sole source of fat loss but muscle retention during dieting. However, people have used dbol and deca to cut as well which just shows you that tradtional "bulking" steroids can be used to get ripped with a low calorie diet and cardio-you can also use Winstrol and Anavar to bulk-the latter of which I have done. The point: diet is the biggest and single most important part of your cycle, post-cycle, life.

Peace.

 

[Mr.X]

I see ,

but he made some very good points , that cannot be overlooked .

Whatever , I won't search for studies , to show you , to try to prove to you .

I simply believe that AAS in general can help you lose fat , can accelerate fat loss . A LOT of bros here that really know their shit already said that AAS is catabolic to adipose tissue .

I don't believe in this just because jenectic said , I believe in this because It happens to me . Whenever I am cutting without drugs , yes I lose fat , but then , when I am cutting with winstroll and equipoise , I lose fat almost twice as faster . And I always follow the same diet when cutting .

We just disagree , you don't think AAS can help you lose fat , I think it can .

And that is it .


Victor

This issue is not about personal experience, it's about facts - I have used both and in different situation the muscle retention during the cutting diet aided my fat-loss in the long-run; however, not one time did I really have a true thermogenic effect on my SQ fat, b/c it was obvious that my negative caloric intake (below BMR) was causing the fat-loss...plus cardio. To make general statements like Anavar or Winstrol will make you shed fat, you need supporting points such as studies; otherwise, we have a mix of parroting and anecdotal information that neither presents nor refutes any TRUE facts.

As the saying goes, anecdotal views are just that - anecdotal.

Mr.X

 

[Excidium28]

Im on my third week EOD, when I started with it, I was 192 and now im
198. Is this because of the winstrol? I thouhgt i was gonna be lighter...

Thanks in advance.

Why EOD, half life is only 9 hours split your dose into 2X ED...you'll break out less too.

 

[VictorBR]

oh well than we need studies for everthing , or else it is not true ...ok ..

2 + 2 = 4 .

why ? Because it is , we need no studies to suport this fact do we ?

This is my last post here since you are trying to prove me that we need studies to show us that AAS can help you lose fat . I don't need no studies to believe in this theory, I have jenectic's PERFECT explanation , I have real life experience , so I just believe and that is it . I think I have good reasons to .

If you need studies to believe in this theory , it is on you , hell even if you find the studies you can still not believe in it and I will not care , really .

Everytime someone post something that goes against my thoughts , I will say to them :

" this is not true unless you post some studies "

This is a very easy way to try to prove someone is wrong, I will say : " You are wrong because you have no studies to back this up "

I will tell them this line , always from now , EVEN if they are explaining PERFECTLY WHY they believe in the theory ( like I did using jenectic's quotes ) .

Are we done here bro ? This is getting old already .....


Victor

 

[roidpuple]

the thing with winny is the increase of hunger... plus you body increases redblood cells increasing you blood volume... so you cant really go by wieght it may be blood volume some and body weight tends to shift 2 to 3 pounds back and forth do you need to pee is your stomache empty.... if you did not change your diet and you are taking in the same amount of calories you will lose fat...while on winny. YOU will YOu will...but most dont keep track of this... so who knows if the gains are muscle or fat..

 

[Mr.X]

oh well than we need studies for everthing , or else it is not true ...ok ..

2 + 2 = 4 .

why ? Because it is , we need no studies to suport this fact do we ?

This is my last post here since you are trying to prove me that we need studies to show us that AAS can help you lose fat . I don't need no studies to believe in this theory, I have jenectic's PERFECT explanation , I have real life experience , so I just believe and that is it . I think I have good reasons to .

If you need studies to believe in this theory , it is on you , hell even if you find the studies you can still not believe in it and I will not care , really .

Everytime someone post something that goes against my thoughts , I will say to them :

" this is not true unless you post some studies "

This is a very easy way to try to prove someone is wrong, I will say : " You are wrong because you have no studies to back this up "

I will tell them this line , always from now , EVEN if they are explaining PERFECTLY WHY they believe in the theory ( like I did using jenectic's quotes ) .

Are we done here bro ? This is getting old already .....


Victor

Basically, in this situation all this is 2nd hand, parroted and anecdotal evidence - that's why I feel so strongly that it would not be used as factual information. You have your right to believe what you wish, so does anyone else...I'll agree to that.

yes, we are done, until further studies and factual evidence is provided by you, I feel that it's fruitless to go on with this conversation.

P.S. 2+2=4, but oranges don't = apples

Mr.X

 

[hrt39]

Winny makes me drop what little water my body holds. I get shredded on 100 - 150 mg per week, but I am lean to start with. It's hard for me to gain weight on winny, as water is so heavy. But, bottom line, if you eat a bunch of carbs that will hold the water (in your body) better, you could easily gain weight. It's probably all about the diet, as someone mentioned above.

 

[bullcocky]

Im on my third week EOD, when I started with it, I was 192 and now im
198. Is this because of the winstrol? I thouhgt i was gonna be lighter...

Thanks in advance.

The best advice that I can give on this is.....are you ready?

DONT GO BY WHAT THE SCALE SAYS........GO BY WHAT THE MIRROR SAYS

Now with this in mind, what is the mirror saying? my 2cents