Is Winstrol making me heavier??

[Spook12345]

I'll have spook post the story here, he has you on his recording machine for the whole convesation.

Basically, the story goes something like this, you came on my board, started posting and Spook liked you, he PMed you asking you if he can talk to you on the phone - he had a few questions for you. You said that you'd call him, yes you did "block" your number, but spook never told you who he trully works for so we have the true number you call from. So to get the story going, you talked to him on the phone for a few minutes then the convesation turned into the boards and Spook said few people thought you were FONZ, you denied this and then your convesation went on. Thereafter, you came on elitefitness, complaining to mods and admins HERE (it was posted on the mod board on elite) that people are ACCUSING YOU of being FONZ; even though, it was clear that it was just part of the conversation. For some STRANGE reason, you went out of your way to make a big stink that you are NOT FONZ - strange isn't it?

I think you might want to step back and tell us why you made such a big fuss about a phone conversation that even MENTIONED FONZ, interesting. It's interesting how in your convo with spook you mentioned you're in mainland china but how all your IPs from mms take me to Taiwan - possible proxy base. Even if you used a VPN, I have java installed and will be interested to see where you really are. Look if you're NOT Fonz then why go nuts when someone mentions his name with a relation to yours, hmmmm, let everyone make their own conclusion.

Mr.X

Out of all honesty, I thought Jenetic was one very smart bro. I offered to speak with him via the phone to discuss not just the possibility of writing articles, but also some various people's concerns that he was the Fonz...heeeyyyyy. I will not lie because I found Jenetic's posts to be very intelligible, but after our phone conversation I thought that we were cool. My understanding was that he found me to be a redneck drug addict. That's kinda funny actually.

It really doesn't matter actually, now. Jenetic has basically spoken with me, I thought he was one smart bro, and in the last couple of months I have learned that he has smartmouthed me behind my back. Mainland China huh? You were there on family business? Pinging an IP isn't that difficult in any chat conversation and the phone is far easier.

Jenetic, I have no idea why you ever had a beef with me because I said that people were curious about you since you had very good posts that were very reminiscent of Fonz's posts. His posts were great, but at the same time you bitched behind my back to people and that is sooooo not cool. WTF? Do you really want me to tag any and all IP's you use as well as your personal computer(s) too?

However, I could be diplomatic with the above things that I have said, but I can't see a reason since you insulted me behind my back. You assume that I'm some smacked out cracked up to the gills dipshit?! Dude! I fuck up meth labs for half a living and make these assholes live in pure shit for a few years to dry them out. I could care less about roids, but you call me out on stuff you know nothing about? I still get pissed thinking about how you talked about me behind my back. You are on notice.

To be polite, Jenetic isn't all that cool.

You come to my board and you play it cool. I see you posting some great posts, we speak together about the possibility of you writing articles. I'm one of the coolest guys you could ever hope to talk to, but once you fuck with me, you are a sorry SOB. WTF Fonz?!?! Oh, yeah, you say you are calling me from Mainland China on family business? Jenetic?otropin? Dealer, scumbag, assbag who could have had a free ride.

Oh, Jinotropin douche bag, you could have had it so good. Screw you and the camel you rode in on (Okay, that might be harsh to say since I don't know if you rode in on a camel). Yeah, you are dealing and who cares about your excuse as a strength coach Fonzie boy! Who are you coaching in China anyway? The diving team for the Olympics? I made sweet sweet love to both of those chicks BTW. They were good and both of them said you were dealing hGH and trying to get warez to America among other things.

BTW, thanks for trying to sell me some of your GH, but not interested now. I'll be sure that customs gets all of your info though.

Spook out.

 

[MR. BMJ]

This is something that Fukkenshrdedded wrote here not too long ago regarding winny. He is probably one of the most knowledgeable people when it comes to winstrol.

Here it is:
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Ok, I read that thread, and I better respond before things get clouded...Ok. Let me address some of these questions best I can. I apologize for not having the references in front of me, but I will attempt to find them for your perusal.

First off, I am mystified about the skepticism surrounding the assertion that winstrol is pyrogenic. Pyrogenic simply means 'fever producing', and it is a well known side effect of this steroid, even listed in common medical journals as a side effect. Keep in mind that this occurs at doses as low as 2mg/day. I think Nigel Verger, in one of his articles, provides a table from a medical journal that lists this and other effects. Anyway...

The primary use of stanozolol in humans is to treat hereditary angioedema. This condition causes swelling of the face, hands, feet, neck, throat, and other areas, as a result of an improper distribution of water in the organism, not connected (necessarily) to sodium levels. Ok, so this drug reduces the swelling, again, in doses as low as 2mg/day.

You see where I am going with this, I am sure. We can conclude from the very use of this drug that it has a water-redistributing effect on the organism. In fact, anyone who has used it for any period of time can attest to the effects resulting from internal dehydration, such as constipation, cramps, headaches, dry mouth, blurred vision, etc. Now, this is not to say that the subcutaneous water retention is not possible on this drug, because that particular effect is a seperate condition from the effect of water redistribution around the organs and musculature. I will leave the differential explanation to someone more knowledgable, but I guarantee that winstrol will remove water from specific areas, including many organs. This is dangerous if prolonged indefinitely.

About this tendon issue...I think I have that solved as well. Consider the recent study (I will get it) that showed that winstrol increased collagen synthesis in small doses, and that the increase seems to be dose related. Well, let's think about that. If the receptors are not evenly distributed throughout the tendon, then the accelerated growth would not occur evenly. Rather, it would occur more rapidly directly around the areas that were more densely populated with receptors, which could conceivably result in a nodule of growth in the tendon. This would result in a tendon that is not uniform in its tensile strength, and would be susceptible to rupture at the area directly above or below the nodule. This is speculation, but it is a theory that makes sense to me.

Lastly. Winstrol has a unique anticatabolic action. For a great description of this, you should read Dr. Scruggs little paragraph about stanozolol. I will try and find it. Anyway, it turns out that winstrol has little or no effect on GH and IGF-1 levels, and therefore does not effectively recruit and impact sattelite cells. So the anabolic of effect of winstrol is minimal, at best. So why do we get stronger? Well, it does increase nitrogen retention, and we know how important that is for muscle growth. But, more importantly, it preserves the muslce we already have, meaning that any new growth will not be 'cancelled out' by muscle degeneration. Testoserone is superior in terms of being anabolic/androgenic, but testosterone also creates protien degradation at a much more accelerated rate than does winstrol. So, yoiu don't build as much muscle, but you keep what you get. Also, winstrol increases bone density. Now, it is interesting to note that winstrol is second only to trenbelone in terms of its anticatabolic property, and in fact, I think it is superior on a mg for mg basis, but I cannot yet support this claim with the appropriate science. Call it a hunch for now. Of course, my hypothesis that winstrol acted on a unique receptor found in the skin was a hunch for about a year, and later turned out to be proven in a study that was posted on AF, and that receptor is as of yet unidentified. Lets just say I had my reasons. Moving on...

Here is what we are left with. A superior anticatabolic compound that increases body temperature. Well, shit! What more do you need for cutting? Moreover, our strength is greatly enhanced because we are able to build on top of the matured muscle rather than burn it up. Ok. This little overview might help to clarify some of the statements that were, unfortunately, clumsily written in the initial post.

FS

 

[MR. BMJ]

Whoa.....this threads getting pretty personal.

Guess it will end up getting closed, but thought i'd add another fukkenshredded post to the mix to ponder on.
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Here it is: Fukkenshredded

Winstrol burns fat directly. I have explained the mechanism several times on this board. Do a search.

In case you're just too lazy, or you aren't platinum (I'm not), the short expalantion is this:

Winstrol elevates body temperature and exhibits a uniquely effective anticatabolic effect on the body.

The elevated body temp burns the fat, the anticatabolism spares the muscle.

That's why you hear stories of minimal gains with noticable fat loss.

The effect is enhanced if used with a low dose of prop.

Anyone who has used winny at 100mg/day with prop at 50mg/day will tell you for absolute certain that this stack burns fat directly.

Of course, if you eat like shit you will not get as good of results as if you diet correctly. But as to the question of winstrol burning fat, the answer is yes.

By the way, fina also burns fat directly, although the mechanism is slightly different. The increased blood volume in the muscle cell results in an enhanced bioactivity in the organism as a whole, therefore requiring more energy to be burned. Fina is the supreme anticatabolic steroid, so again, we have a preservation of muscle along with accelerated biological activity.

Which of course equals fat loss.

Not all steroids are equal. If they were, there would be no difference in anecdotal accounts of impact, would there?

FS

 

[Jenetic]

With the addition of Ulter's post and FS's information provided by MR BMJ, I stand corrected on the issue of thermogenesis being unrelated to AAS.

Jenetic

 

[Mr.X]

Whoa.....this threads getting pretty personal.

Guess it will end up getting closed, but thought i'd add another fukkenshredded post to the mix to ponder on.
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You're right, I just deleted 3 threads insulting Jenetic - full swearing (FU**, ASSHO**) etc.. and 1 thread that said something about Victor being a "CO********" and 3 others by WJ Am .... (can't remember the spelling) that was spamming and got banned. So this thread IS getting out of hand.

Mr.X

 

[Mr.X]

For future posters, please stop the straight swear words like "FU**, ASSHO***, DIC*****, GO**, etc....although this thread is getting into strong waters, I prefer no swearing here please it's against elite TOS.

Mr.X

 

[RADAR]

What ever is developing here needs to stop RIGHT NOW!!!!!
I believe you both (Mt X & Jenetic ) Have alot to contribute however all these accusations with spook and such is doing absolutely nothing for the integrety and the quality of the posts that is being smeared on this thread.



RADAR