Is Winstrol making me heavier??

[Jenetic]

Jenetic,

We all know where you were, and we all thought you were FONZ, whether you are or not, it doesn't matter to me - you came off very badly making drama out of nothing with the spook issue, coming out calling ppl. idiots. You can treated like you treat others Jenetic.

Jenetic, I live in Mexico now so why is the idea so wild? give me a break, you know that you were just stirring shit with spook.

Mr.X

You can say whatever it is that puts your mind at ease in order to make yourself look credible at this point. I could really care less since I've already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that androgens, through genomic and non genomic pathways, are directly related to the metabolism, accumulation and distribution of adipose tissues.

We both know the truth about what Spook had to say

Jenetic

 

[Mr.X]

You of all people should know better than to cry about your personal issues with me on the open forum. It's obvious that Spook and yourself are culturally and intellectually handicapped. The bounty hunter threat was pretty cute as well keyboard cowboy. Check my IP.

I'll have spook post the story here, he has you on his recording machine for the whole convesation.

Basically, the story goes something like this, you came on my board, started posting and Spook liked you, he PMed you asking you if he can talk to you on the phone - he had a few questions for you. You said that you'd call him, yes you did "block" your number, but spook never told you who he trully works for so we have the true number you call from. So to get the story going, you talked to him on the phone for a few minutes then the convesation turned into the boards and Spook said few people thought you were FONZ, you denied this and then your convesation went on. Thereafter, you came on elitefitness, complaining to mods and admins HERE (it was posted on the mod board on elite) that people are ACCUSING YOU of being FONZ; even though, it was clear that it was just part of the conversation. For some STRANGE reason, you went out of your way to make a big stink that you are NOT FONZ - strange isn't it?

I think you might want to step back and tell us why you made such a big fuss about a phone conversation that even MENTIONED FONZ, interesting. It's interesting how in your convo with spook you mentioned you're in mainland china but how all your IPs from mms take me to Taiwan - possible proxy base. Even if you used a VPN, I have java installed and will be interested to see where you really are. Look if you're NOT Fonz then why go nuts when someone mentions his name with a relation to yours, hmmmm, let everyone make their own conclusion.

Mr.X

 

[Mr.X]

Oh wait, also, part of the story is that you were scared of his "gay" jokes too.

 

[Jenetic]

You have no credibility whatsoever.

Aside from the fact that Fonz was possibly associated with illegal activities, I'm actually flattered because he was an intelligent person.

We both know what Spook had to say about you

You're absolutely right, that is a scary thought.

Jenetic

 

[Mr.X]

You can say whatever it is that puts your mind at ease in order to make yourself look credible at this point. I could really care less since I've already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that androgens, through genomic and non genomic pathways, are directly related to the metabolism, accumulation and distribution of adipose tissues.

You've given me 0 proof that, oxandrolone (anavar) has a direct effect on the fat-loss (Sub-Q as I said before) of bodybuilders and/or athletes. When you come back with as study proving that, then I can say I'm wrong, until then - you haven't proven anything as far as I'm concerned. Remember Fonz, this is not about you nor I, it's about teaching elitefitness Facts about topics and people.

Mr.X

 

[Mr.X]

Just give it up Mr.X. You are starting to really embarass yourself this time. Once again, textbook undergraduate education.

Seems like the only person beating a dead horse here is you, not provide even 1 study backing up your anavar claim.

De Pergola G.

Istituto di Clinica Medica, Endocrinologia e Malattie Metaboliche dell'Universita di Bari, Policlinico di Bari, Italy. [email protected]

Testosterone (T) and dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) are fat-reducing hormones, even though they exert this effect by different mechanisms. In particular, T inhibits lipid uptake and lipoprotein-lipase (LDL) activity in adipocytes, and stimulates lipolysis by increasing the number of lipolytic beta-adrenergic receptors. An indirect sign of these effects is the decrease of adipocyte leptin production. Lastly, T inhibits differentiation of adipocyte precursor cells. Concerning DHEA, this hormone does not seen to have any of T effects; however, DHEA stimulates resting metabolic rate (RMR) and lipid oxidation, and enhances glucose disposal, by increasing the expression of GLUT-1 and GLUT-4 on fat cell plasma membrane. The insulin-like effect of DHEA would be associated to a decrease of plasma insulin concentrations and, thus, to an increase of the molar ratio between lipolytic hormones and insulin.

This is just a statement by De Pergola G., where is the study? stop wasting my time. It seems to me you are trying to make a ludicrous claim that oxandrolone good binding to the AR, has anything to do with fat-loss.

Maybe you need to leave HARDCORE diet land and join us back in the real world.

maybe you need to put your money where your mouth is fonz and show me a study that I'm asking for or this conversation is over

Ignorance is bliss.

you're right, you're cleary showing that ARROGANCE is a bliss in your case

Mr.X

 

[Mr.X]

AS can absolutely tip the balance of fat and lean in favor of lean if all else is equal. And in some case when it's not equal. I can raise my caloric intake by 50% and lose weight with AS. In fact I can eat whatever I want and lose weight if I am taking the right AS and enough of it. And I am certainly not alone. If I shoot 100mg/day of tren acetate I can eat anything and still lose fat. Tren is not well understood by the medical community, because it's not for humans, so don't ask for studies. But I will bet there are a thousand posts here by people who say that when they use enough tren they can eat whatever they want, are soaking the sheets at night from night sweating, they can't sleep, and are burning off pre-existing fat like mofo's. No offense to whoever questioned AS taking on the properties of a thermogenic but that sounds a lot like a thermogenic effect to me. Anything that increases my metabolism so that it makes me sweat, not sleep as much, and out strips my ability to replace the calories I burn has to be considered somewhat thermogenic.
Of course you can gain weight on Oxandrolone or winny. But they still burn off fat that you wouldn't burn off without them. Anyone that questions whether or not winny makes you burn off more fat than you would without it should go back a read Fukkenshredded's posts again.

Ulter, you're correct, I don't think I'm trying to tell anyone that AS doesn't help you when you diet, of course it does. Heck, Tren ac. has been a great product to use along with IGF. But ANAVAR (the point of the conversation) has NO direct effect on fat-loss....however, Anavar DOES aid indirectly with fat-loss - through muscle retention - helps you burn more calories -(positive nitrogen balanced), reduced gluconeogenesis etc... but saying that Anavar will help you shed fat would be completely out of this world, so I stick to my Guns - no studies no direct link with anavar helping bodybuilders / athletes get rid of Sub-Q fat.

Mr.X

 

[Jenetic]

The main emphasis was to address that androgens, through genomic and non genomic pathways, are directly related to the metabolism, accumulation and distribution of adipose tissues.

Androgens DO NOT have effects on lipolysis, it's not a fact, it's BS you're putting forward without true facts. When you come back with studies on athletes or bodybuilders to back your point we can talk, for now you're wasting my time.

The previous 2 which I posted studies provided clearly support that.

Also, the second study which you just quoted shows just how childish your remarks are. You associated the change in fasting insulin of the other study to be associated with a decrease of carbohydrates in diets of the test subjects. As you can see there, the change is actually associated with an increase in GLUT-1 and GLUT-4 expression.

Jenetic

 

[Jenetic]

Mr.X,

Happy Holidays and God Bless.

Jenetic

 

[Mr.X]

The main emphasis was to address that androgens, through genomic and non genomic pathways, are directly related to the metabolism, accumulation and distribution of adipose tissues.




Jenetic

You are trying to move the conversation into a General Androgen/AS area, which is NOT what the conversation is about. Look at your first post arguing anavar has something to do with fat-loss:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4256509&postcount=35

The point I am making:
Anavar has NO direct effect on fat-loss

The point you're trying to make:
Steroids (AS) have an effect on fat-loss

The conversation is about a PARTICULAR drug not the whole assortment of drugs. Let's stick to your guns here.

Mr.X