Is this normal?

[The_Ghost]

Wow I must say I am quite shocked. I am just into week 4 on a Dbol, Enan, Deca cycle and when I stepped on the scale this AM I am up 17 pounds. What surprises me even more is I haven't gained much bodyfat yet either and there is no bloat as I am taking Ldex. My waist is maybe a 1/4 inch bigger then when i started and my body acutally appears harder then when I started.

Can't wait until the Test and Deca start to kick in and to see how much more muscle I can put on.

 

[DrJMW]

Make sure that you do an adequate post-cycle recovery of HCG/Nolvadex or you will lose some of those gains.

 

[The_Ghost]

Post cycle will be 3 weeks of Clomid Therapy, starting 2 weeks after last Test shot. Don't know if I will use HCG or not. Some say its needed others say it isn't.

 

[DrJMW]

HCG is needed if you want to keep all of your gains. Starting the week of the last AAS injection: 2,000 U of HCG three times weekly for a total of three weeks. 20mg daily of Nolvadex (at the same time as the HCG) for a total of six weeks. There is current debate about starting this cycle right away or waiting 2-3 weeks. I have had great success starting right away. You can do a search of HCG and Nolvadex on the board to get numerous opinions. My philosophy tends to be conservative, erring on the side of safety and efficiency. I don't know anyone that has reported major muscles losses following an HCG/Nolvadex recovery cycle; I do know many people that have lost all their gains and more following Clomid only. Everybody is different--are you willing to experiment on yourself or just follow advice that works--it is up to you. There is no harm in doing HCG/Nolvadex.

 

[diet4ever]

HCG is needed if you want to keep all of your gains. Starting the week of the last AAS injection: 2,000 U of HCG three times weekly for a total of three weeks. 20mg daily of Nolvadex (at the same time as the HCG) for a total of six weeks. There is current debate about starting this cycle right away or waiting 2-3 weeks. I have had great success starting right away. You can do a search of HCG and Nolvadex on the board to get numerous opinions. My philosophy tends to be conservative, erring on the side of safety and efficiency. I don't know anyone that has reported major muscles losses following an HCG/Nolvadex recovery cycle; I do know many people that have lost all their gains and more following Clomid only. Everybody is different--are you willing to experiment on yourself or just follow advice that works--it is up to you. There is no harm in doing HCG/Nolvadex.

You got me confused, I think I'm the 1 who started the thread about waiting 2-3 weeks before my first hcg shot. I got some info about NOT using more than 500-1000u per shot.

Please anybody give us more info when to start hcg and how much per shot, and when starting the clomid.

 

[The_Ghost]

HCG is needed if you want to keep all of your gains. Starting the week of the last AAS injection: 2,000 U of HCG three times weekly for a total of three weeks. 20mg daily of Nolvadex (at the same time as the HCG) for a total of six weeks. There is current debate about starting this cycle right away or waiting 2-3 weeks. I have had great success starting right away. You can do a search of HCG and Nolvadex on the board to get numerous opinions. My philosophy tends to be conservative, erring on the side of safety and efficiency. I don't know anyone that has reported major muscles losses following an HCG/Nolvadex recovery cycle; I do know many people that have lost all their gains and more following Clomid only. Everybody is different--are you willing to experiment on yourself or just follow advice that works--it is up to you. There is no harm in doing HCG/Nolvadex.

Thanks for the input, will definitely look into what has worked for others as well. I am not going to waist all this hard work I have put in, that is for sure.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

That's almost the same way it went for me on a recent test/deca cycle/ldex (with a 2-week adrol/winny lead-in); went up 17 lb quickly (within the first 4-5 weeks) and stabilized -- the rest of the cycle stayed about the same weight, but muscle quality and aesthetics improved and I lost some fat.

Properly gauging post-cycle success was difficult with this one because I got fucking strep the first week that I was to begin post-cycle therapy (talk about a pisser!); I couldn't eat 4 days (fevers, puking, etc.) and I lost about 8 lb immediately.

As soon as I started my post-cycle therapy (and eating again), I stabilized and haven't lost anymore weight. I'm near the end of my 3rd week post cycle (5 wks after last shot of enanthate -- I quit the deca in wk 5 of 10) and I've gained a few pounds back. My strength levels remain nearly what they were on cycle (see my carao comment below) and my body is much improved aesthetically.

I didn't try the HCG this time around -- but I did throw in maca at 1.5 grams/day, carao extract (which I believe is making a HUGE difference) at 3 tsp/day, 5htp at 100 mg/day, inositol at 3-6 grams/day and nolva over 3 weeks reverse pyramiding from 40 mg/day down to 10 mg/day. As a side note, sex drive is through the roof.

 

[DB3]

Weight gain is great even though most is water, it is still weight. Your strength increase must really be nice so early in the cycle.