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is it possible to be natural on the Olyp stage?

Yes I'm saying he was natural in that video

No, he just went from using average doses (before that video) to astronomical doses (after not placing high enough at the pro level) more than likely.

If he was natural in that video, half of us or better at EF are all natty too...lol

These pros don't just start juicing when they are at their genetic limit, that's a ridiculous idea. They start juice just like everyone else. They obviously know how to train and eat, and have the best genetics on the planet, but let's not forget the fact that they run ridiculous amounts of gear. I'm sure they all started at a smaller dose like everyone else and ramped up as they went
 
Moral of it all: Juice to get on a stage and make no money from it.

I really don't follow the sport of bodybuilding anyway. really as I've gotten older I've gotten turned off by all sports watching.. i much rather play them than watch them on tv and even worse in person dealing with the crowds and drunks.

when i was an endurance athlete i racked up a ton of plaques and trophies... when i was a powerlifter I racked up more plaques. but yeah there is no money in it, which is why i don't have a screaming desire to go on stage. I love lifting and being a gym rat. i don't have to wear a piece of underwear and get on stage with people in the audience to make myself happy

i bet these fitness guru's on youtube make 10X more money off their marketing and supplement sales than bodybuilders who actually live the part. the ones that actually make money just sell their souls anyway to magazines, supplements, and endorsing a tub of crap
 
Everyone says there is no money in bodybuilding, but look at Phil Heath and jay cutler they are well off Phil drives a Bentley and has 2 or 3 how do they get this money? Is it from sponsorships and sales? If so then technically there is money in it just not specifically bodybuilding
 
Everyone says there is no money in bodybuilding, but look at Phil Heath and jay cutler they are well off Phil drives a Bentley and has 2 or 3 how do they get this money? Is it from sponsorships and sales? If so then technically there is money in it just not specifically bodybuilding

at their level they get endorsements

it takes a lot to get there though. if you ask people who Jay Cutler is they will probably think you are talking about the Bears QB. Phil Heath? did he invent Heath bars?

obviously someone successful at other sports are gonna be much more well known hence the money isn't as good
 
Right I'm not arguing that they are paid more than nfl players shit NHL players are probably paid more lol but I always hear there is no money when in reality there is some, enough to live comfortably, but of course the odds of becoming the next Phil Heath is very slim
 
at their level they get endorsements

it takes a lot to get there though. if you ask people who Jay Cutler is they will probably think you are talking about the Bears QB. Phil Heath? did he invent Heath bars?

obviously someone successful at other sports are gonna be much more well known hence the money isn't as good

When you look at phil Heath's cars, house ect.... I really hope he invested a bunch of his money smartly because as we know the money from Top BB'ing endorsements and olypia winnings ect... will NOT last forever. He will always be Mr olympia just like Jay and Ronnie and everyone else and will always get paid for appearances, lectures ect... But sooner or later (barring an acting career) It WILL go from being on the Olympia stage and major endorsement deals and sponsors to Sitting behind a table at a fitness expo signing autographed pictures of when he was way bigger and better for $20 a pop.
 
The odds of becoming any type of pro athlete and living well off the contracts and endorsement deals are very slim to none
 
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