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kbrkbr said:
Is there a reason you're coming off like a prick about this? If what I'm suggesting is inaccurate then explain why.
is 1 tablespoon of flaxseed oil enough
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Is there a reason you're coming off like a prick about this? If what I'm suggesting is inaccurate then explain why.
You make statements that I find utterly preposterous, and when I politely ask for some kind of reference or proof, you show me a picture of a guy, as if that's some kind of proof. When I call you on it, you then tell me he's 57, as if that means he MUST be right because he an old geezer. Well, I'm an old geezer, too, and that doesn't make me right all the time. But if asking if you can back up specious opinions makes a prick, then so be it.
BTW, if you read my first post, you'll notice that the REASON I doubt flax seed oil goes bad is because, well, in my fridge, it doesn't seem to do so. If it went bad, it would smell bad, taste bad, look bad, and give me digestion problems. Even after many weeks in the fridge, mine doesn't do that.
BTW, if you read my first post, you'll notice that the REASON I doubt flax seed oil goes bad is because, well, in my fridge, it doesn't seem to do so. If it went bad, it would smell bad, taste bad, look bad, and give me digestion problems. Even after many weeks in the fridge, mine doesn't do that.
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kbrkbr said:
Ok, you're getting on my nerves so I guess I back up what saying with references to the science. I hope you can follow this. It might be above your head though based on your rather infantile responses so far.
Besides the fact that flax oil is higly perishable, FLAX OIL is readily denatured by oxygen, heat, and light. That's why it is used in paint. Rancid oil is bad for health, so oil MUST be carefully produced, packed under nitrogen in light-proof containers, refrigerated until used, used as fresh as possible, and stabilised with protein (THE SPREAD, etc) promptly once the container is opened.
Now, let's highlight some differences in nutritional value of Flax seed over Flax oil. References:
http://www.goldenflax.com/home_pages/seed_oil1.htm
http://www.goldenflax.com/home_pages/faquestions.htm
What is the difference between flax seed and flaxseed oil?
The advantage of eating flax seed over flax oil is that flaxseed is a complete food providing you with the benefits of Omega3, 6 & 9 EFA's, fiber, protein, plant lignans, vitamins, minerals and amino acids. Flax oil, expelled from the flax seed, contains the EFA's but not the fiber, protein and plant lignans (an anti-cancer agent). Flaxseed contains approximately 40% oil.
Flaxseed vs. Flax Seed Oil
Flax seed contains the flax seed oil in its freshest form. Consuming 1/4 cup of Nature’s Gem golden flaxseed provides you with the Omega 3 equivalent of approx. 17 (1000 mg) flax oil capsules.
Flax seed delivers the full benefits of Omega 3, 6 & 9 EFA’s, plus all of the fiber, protein, lignans (an anti-cancer agent), vitamins, minerals and amino acids that are important nutrients for overall good health.
Flax seed compared to flaxseed oil, contains 98% more anti-cancer lignans and 97% more fiber (soluble & insoluble). The combination of lignans, fiber and Omega 3 help lower cholesterol, control blood pressure, reduce weight, relieve PMS and menopause symptoms and deter diabetes
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kbrkbr said:
That's all you have to say??? I provided the scientific reasoning why it goes bad and then outlined the nutritional benefits of the seed over the oil. The ball's in your court now. Here's some more evidence for you.
http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archives/Best/1997/linum.html
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs
Subject: Re: flax seed oil vs. flax seed oil
From: ravel.cycor.ca (Syd Baumel)
Date: 30 Jan 97 11:14:53 -600
> A recent book by Udo Erasmus suggests that the ideal source of dietary fats is fresh, raw, cold-pressed flaxseed oil. Whether or not this is good advice may be indicated by the following quotes from a USDA publication.
> Note that it describes a reaction which involves the immune system. I don't know about you, but I prefer not to subject my immune system to unnecessary stress.
Please note that Erasmus, like all experts who are up on the subtleties of good fats and bad fats, emphasizes the necessity of consuming _fresh, refrigerated_ oil. Highly polyunsaturated oils like linseed oil rapidly begin to go rancid from the moment they're extracted. If you don't refrigerate linseed oil, it will very soon begin to smell "fishy" (because fish, which also are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, quickly begin to smell for much the same reason) or like oil paint (which uses linseed oil as a medium). Rancid oils are extremely toxic, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the explanation for the adverse effects in livestock fed animal-feed-grade foods rich in omega-3 fatty acids. If you check the medical literature, you'll see that when it comes to fresh, well-preserved linseed oil, there actually is a growing body of evidence that its uniquely high content of the highly perishable father of the omega-3 family, alpha-linolenic acid, makes it an extremely healthful antidote to the omega-3 deficient diet that modern Westerners have been following -- at peril to most organs and systems of our bodies -- for several generations now
How did we get from flax seed oil to linseed oil?
Like I have been saying all along, my flax seed oil doesn't smell bad, taste bad, look bad, or have any upsetting effect on my digestion, even after weeks in the fridge. If it had gone bad, I think -- and again, I'm not making statements of proven science here -- I think I would have noticed.
I will readily admit that linseed oil, which the above article refers to instead of flax seed oil, which is our topic of discussion, does, IN MY OPINION ONLY, begin to deteriorate if you don't refridgerate it after opening. I believe this to be so because it begins to smell bad. My flax seed oil, on the other hand, doesn't.
Again, flax seed oil doesn't go bad in my fridge. You have yet to prove otherwise.
Why don't we just agree to disagree on this topic?
Like I have been saying all along, my flax seed oil doesn't smell bad, taste bad, look bad, or have any upsetting effect on my digestion, even after weeks in the fridge. If it had gone bad, I think -- and again, I'm not making statements of proven science here -- I think I would have noticed.
I will readily admit that linseed oil, which the above article refers to instead of flax seed oil, which is our topic of discussion, does, IN MY OPINION ONLY, begin to deteriorate if you don't refridgerate it after opening. I believe this to be so because it begins to smell bad. My flax seed oil, on the other hand, doesn't.
Again, flax seed oil doesn't go bad in my fridge. You have yet to prove otherwise.
Why don't we just agree to disagree on this topic?
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kbrkbr said:
BTW, Flax oil is a polyunsaturated oil. Just read this article and then decide for yourself.
http://www.mercola.com/1998/archive/flax.htm
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
"I do believe it is effective for many people; but, as of last month, I have stopped recommending flax oil. I believe that the oil is so perishable that even if it is kept cold it is likely that some of the fat is oxidized and becomes somewhat rancid which accounts for the bad taste that many people experience. I believe that if one uses a coffee grinder or food processor to grind the seeds and sprinkle them on food the flax would be much less likely to have oxidation of its fatty acids."
That very finding speaks to my reasoning for suggesting flax seed over flax oil.
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Very interesting, I might have to try that. I order the flax and I put it in the fridge, even if I don't open it. When I do open it, I put it back in the fridge and I have never experienced rancid taste. I just pour in a measuring cap and drink. I guess I'll have to buy a coffee grinder if I buy the seed though.
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what about the flax seed oil that comes in gel caps...i take those do those stay good?
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kbrkbr said:
LOL! Wow, I re-read your post above and missed a few of your statement(s). How did we go from flax seed oil to linseed oil? Well, First of all, linseed oil and flax oil are one in the same!!!! THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE so your whole contention IS WRONG!
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861698867
lin·seed [ lín seed ]
noun
source of linseed oil: the seed of the flax plant, from which linseed oil and various medicinal preparations are derived.
Also called flaxseed
Flaxseed Oil -
Diet Nutrition:
Flaxseed oil, also known as linseed oil, is a valuable source of omega-3 fatty acid.
Agree to disagree? That sounds a communication tool they teach you in rehab. No, fuck that! You dismiss my comments as being "utterly preposterous" and then you put down the source of the information who also happens to be my trainer. He may be an old geezer that doesn't know shit in your narrow-minded view but he has accomplished may incredible milestones in the areas of nutrition, BBing and powerlifting. He still holds the world for the bench press in his weight class. Be careful who put down because it makes you look like an even bigger ass than already do. BTW, he is being inducted into the 1st California Hall of Fame honoring Powerlifting veterans on March 27th. http://www.powerliftingca.com/
He also doesn't look to shabby for someone 57 years old.
http://www.graphicmuscle.com/display_photo.asp?photocode=9226
Anyway, I believe I did prove otherwise. How much more evidence do you need. Should I search through pubmed for scientific studies? Now go tuck your tail between your legs and accept that you've been owned on this one. Better luck next time!
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