Input on PCT

[Manuel Hung]

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I am planning on a somewhat light cycle.


Week 1-6
Test C-350mg/week
Winny-50mg/EOD
HCG-500 IU's/E3rdD

Week7-8
Test C-350mg/week
HCG-500 IU's/E3rdD

I will also run Anastrozole E3rdD.

My question is about post cycle HCG.

I have read the stickies and other threads and it seems the opinions vary very much.

When should I discontinue the HCG? From what I read it seems like I should stop usage roughly 7-10 days after my last Test C injection.

I have Nolva for PCT also. I right now plan on a PCT of:

Week 9
HCG-500 IU's/E3rdD
Anastrozole E3rdD

Week 10-12
Nolva 20mg/ED


Any experienced guys input is very much appreciated.

 

[hehateme000]

stop HCGand wait 2 weeks then do 3 weeks HCG 250iu 2x EW.

 

[eddymerckx]

not sure you need 500 every 3rd day on that cycle. wait til your third week and start with 250 every 4th day.

next, is there a reason you plan to run the a-dex thoughout the cycle? (e.g. propen for gyno)

 

[GUARDIAN]

stop HCGand wait 2 weeks then do 3 weeks HCG 250iu 2x EW.

i would use the 250 IU's 2X ew. but no need 2 stop i would continue all the way through pct. u may want 2 run nolva for 3-4 weeks.

 

[hehateme000]

i would use the 250 IU's 2X ew. but no need 2 stop i would continue all the way through pct. u may want 2 run nolva for 3-4 weeks.

oh i thought u wanted to stop the HCG at your last test injection...then if u wanted it in your PCT as well u would start it when u would start clomid (2 weeks)

 

[GUARDIAN]

oh i thought u wanted to stop the HCG at your last test injection...then if u wanted it in your PCT as well u would start it when u would start clomid (2 weeks)

running it into pct will help the recovery process.

 

[needtogetaas]

oh i thought u wanted to stop the HCG at your last test injection...then if u wanted it in your PCT as well u would start it when u would start clomid (2 weeks)

No its good to go a week or 2 past the cycle depending on the compounds you are running. Say you ended your cycle with just test-e. Then ending hcg 1 week past cycle is fine. If you end you with deca (witch is not always good) then run the hcg 2 weeks past. Or last if ou end cycle with eq then run the hcg 3 weeks past cycle.

I am Not found of just nolva or clomid alone for pct. They work for a lot of people but even then they still make for a shitty pct. I would use some sustain alpha 5 pumps ed. Pm me if you want a discount.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

I always recommend reviewing the PoWeR PCT protocol. This is the only PCT protocol with actual clinical data supporting its efficacy. Everything else is really just speculation.

http://www.medibolics.com/ScallyVergelAstractHPGA.pdf

 

[Nelson Montana]

I always recommend reviewing the PoWeR PCT protocol. This is the only PCT protocol with actual clinical data supporting its efficacy. Everything else is really just speculation.

http://www.medibolics.com/ScallyVergelAstractHPGA.pdf

Now you see, I think that's a perfect example of how those finding are so utterly fucked.

First of all, it;s uncontrolled and with HIV men. But let's suspend such factors for now and deal with the treatment. If you read those finding closely you'll see the treatment "cured" nothing. The protocol simply caused and elevation while on. The average T level was back to normal 12 weeks after treatment -- about the same amount of time it would take if NOTHING were used. AND...it doesn't say HOW LONG after treatment. T levels could have continued to drop, in which case recovery would actually be delayed. And this doesn't even address the "backlash" effect.

In the meantime, there are about 25% of men who respond horribly to the drug. It causes mood swings, lethargy and a debilitated libido. Why isn't estrogen ever checked in any of these tests with Clomid? I believe the answer to its unreliability lies in that aspect of its effect.

It isn't economically feasible to do an extensive double blind study with sufficient subject being monitored on a daily basis but judging from experience, peripheral statistics and empirical evidence I can say that in most cases, the PCT I propose is faster, safer and more effective than any utilizing Clomid or Nolva.

 

[alphatest]

I think you are misreading the results. The T levels returned to normal after 45 days of pct treatment not 12 weeks. Also what is your evidence that 25% of men don't respond well to clomid, all studies on men in the 25 - 50 mg/day range have reported very few side effects. Unless you contend that the drug companies are suppressing data this is a pretty baseless claim.