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Baywatch69 said:
At satch's prices it wouldnt take much to meet the $400 min! Most people would buy enough for a cycle which if u were buying from Satch would cost more than $400 anyway!
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man, at satch's prices, i could buy more than enuff gear to last me for several years at that price of 400$ lol.
 
I am wondering who is running Getigf.com now. Anyone know whats going on there? I just logged in there and the site's discussion boards are locked down. I think they are cleaning out all the negative chat there.
 
wayneboard1 said:
Well...I have been taking this in over the past few days and doing my own research and internet "sleuthing" if you will. All that I am reading and seeing and past experience have led me to the following conclusions, take them or leave them, I really don't care.

1) Indy made one big mistake, he stuck up for satch. Indy and satch are not the same person for so many reasons; they just can't be. My conclusion is that satch became a scammer and used Indy to keep the lie going as long as possible. Satch burned Indy pretty bad after he stuck his neck out for him, and now Indys head is being cut off at that neck so to speak. Thats more than sad, and I beleive Indy did have the wool pulled over his eyes in a major way; but then again we all did didn't we? I sure didn't see this coming but it was time for something "dramatic" to happen on EF, it had been 6 days after all. :rolleyes:



2) Satch is a scammer. All roads lead to this conclusion and unless satch gets on here and provides some proof, thats what I beleive. Of course what kind of proof could he offer up? Don't know really, thats his problem.



3) I think a lot of this Indy bashing is not so much related to the satch mess as it is with personal issues people have with him. They don't like him or his posts or his views on primo or whatever, so now it's "cool" to bash him. He stuck up for satch and his products and now that satch is a snake, well indy just must be too right? No, I don't think so, but that is the way the world does it. You are guilty until proven innocent.



4) Indy has always been cool with me...more than cool and he has always shown me the right path as I try and educate myself on gear, fitness, diet, etc. WHen I first came to EF It was to get huge and chat non stop. Well, After doing that for awhile I settled into my role of educating myself to do this right, learn how to train, diet and obtain as much knowledge as possible. Indy has helped me do that countless times without ever pushing satches gear down my throat. I have never used his gear(or any gear) as steroids are illegal and that would be wrong, not to mention I am poor and satch was expensive to say the least. Indy has been my go to guy on this board on learning and sharing knowledge for almost a year now without one sign of scamming or being dishonest in any way shape or form. No I don't know Indy on a "hey lets go get a beer" kind of level, but I have chatted with him long enough to be pretty dang sure he isn't a scammer or part of all this.



5) Radar is right up there with Indy as far as good guys go, he just made a mistake apparently and I do think Galaxy should be allowed to return as well as MissFit and the other members that were "banned" for their issues with his pictures. I don't know that much about that situation but it appears it has all been corrected to some degree. We all make mistakes and do unwise things, and that is what apparently happened here.



One thing I want to caution everyone on is this (sorry for sounding like a dad there). If satch is a scammer then string him up just like chase and just like any other piece of dog crap scammer should be. If he isn't, prove it. The proof is not looking good I will say and it is almost a done deal that he did scam; but we all have had friends or "buddies" do something stupid and we were caught in the crossfire and that is a horrible place to be. Not only were you stabbed in the back by someone you have been sticking up for but you are immediatly accused for simply knowing someone or being someones friend regardless of how strongly you disagree with his current actions. Indy was a great spokesperson for satch and he has now been hung out to dry. Well, Indy, for the record you are a good bro and I stand behind you.



I think Indy just like myself and the majority of us are pretty pissed because somone so close to home is apparently a scammer and it's someone that a lot of us now bashing once beleived would never do something like that. Yeah yeah, some of you "knew all along" but I call BS on that. For personal reasons I started to distance myself from EF about 3-4 months ago, but along with those personal reasons was this type of crap. Not scamming and bashing, but drama. I wasn't coming to EF to learn anymore, I was coming here to see who got bombed, who was pissed at who, etc and thats not what it should be about at all. Karma.....who gives a rats ass about it? I sure don't and thats why I give mine away to guys that give what I feel are helpful and well thought out answers instead of hoarding it. My little way of saying thanks. I don't know if my little novel here will change anybodies views, it was more of just my take on this whole situation. So lets drop all this crap, we were all fooled, you can hate who you want, but go back to what ef is supposed to be about, LEARNING and PROGRESSION. If we don't, it really is just another day in our lives.
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Big mouth to big back down

"consider the source of this coment"
 
maldorf said:
I am wondering who is running Getigf.com now. Anyone know whats going on there? I just logged in there and the site's discussion boards are locked down. I think they are cleaning out all the negative chat there.
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satch is running the show, he took it when he "came back"...don't even bother visiting the site.
 
slat1 said:
Wake up everyone. This board has regular people on it, sources, scammers, federal agents, people working with the agents etc.
There is no way to tell who is what unless you work for the DEA etc.
There has been a lot of careless posting that could come back to haunt people.
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Amen! Enuff-Znuff!
 
wayneboard1 said:
So lets drop all this crap, we were all fooled, you can hate who you want, but go back to what ef is supposed to be about, LEARNING and PROGRESSION. If we don't, it really is just another day in our lives.
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Amen.

Dang, dude! You need some k! Wish I could give you some but I have spread some around first. :(
 
so wayne you promise not to defend scammer's anymore? since your so pro-progress
 
racoon_city said:
indy what happend to that weizman hgh that you where PUSHING hard on the boards?????? and you didnt know about his business?????

there are maNY admins and vets that know you ran off with alot of scratch as well
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Racoon, did you used to be here under another name?
 
Mr.X said:
satch is running the show, he took it when he "came back"...don't even bother visiting the site.
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Ok, this is what I had figured. Satch was running it before too, and for awhile he dissapeared and wasnt posting as the admin anymore. I guess once he was out of whatever problem he was having he just stepped back in and took over again.
 
AMGETR said:
If Indy isn't part of the problem, then he needs to give up Satch's REAL info to us. After all, he claims they were friends. So he will know his real name, last name and addy.
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He has a REALLY good point guys...

K to you.

Chris
 
AMGETR said:
If Indy isn't part of the problem, then he needs to give up Satch's REAL info to us. After all, he claims they were friends. So he will know his real name, last name and addy.
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I didn't get past the first 10 posts on this mess but this caught my eye.
Knowing his address isn't going to help you. I have his name and address and it didn't help me any.
 
Ulter said:
I didn't get past the first 10 posts on this mess but this caught my eye.
Knowing his address isn't going to help you. I have his name and address and it didn't help me any.
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In that case, Post up Ulter!! :artist:
 
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bw1 said:
Maybe not, but isn't this what we do. Post a scammers personal info?
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The info should be posted. All the people he burned may have known what they were getting into when it comes to this game but Satch did as well when decided to turn to the darkside. Someone will eventually get to him and Karma will proceed to tickle his prostate. Scammers are a part of this game but with any illegal activity someone is gonna bust your ass if you cross them.
 
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Years ago a wise man once said to me: "everyone will eventually turn scammer"
 
So... here's a thought?

What is Satch is Fonz? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

...since this thread is a trainwreck as is... why not toss THAT out there! ;)
 
bw1 said:
Maybe not, but isn't this what we do. Post a scammers personal info?
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Not only that but if 1 of the guys that got ripped off "know people", then he can have fun with the guy.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
bw1 said:
Maybe not, but isn't this what we do. Post a scammers personal info?
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For what? He's not there anymore. Besides that the addresses there only go as far as the local post office. If it's that important to anyone, and I can't imagine why, I'll go look it up.

Satch is not Fonz
Satch = Israel
Fonz = New Mexico

Besides I know a member here that knows Satch in Israel and Fonz has never been there. :)
 
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Satch was NOT FONZ, 2 different people. It wouldn't make sense, their personalities were worlds apart.
 
I dont have anything against Indy...he seems like a good guy to me Plus i thought Indy said that "dont buy from satch unless you want to get ripped off" I dont know how long satch ripped people off for but anyone that bought off him when he left was just asking for it
 
I don't know Satch. Never dealt with him. But I feel sorry for those who lost money ordering gear. I really do. I have been there before. There is nothing anyone can do about it. It took me awhile to read this article, like 20 minutes, and what I got out of it was nothing. Just a bunch of pissed off bros who want to go storm out to a country half-way around the world to beat/kill some jerkoff who doesn't deserve the time of day. Satch will fall victim to one of these guys that he scammed. His day will come but none of you will get your money back.

As for Radar and Indy, I don't know either of them well. Indy advised me to get igf one time at Satch's site, but I never did. Thank you Mr. X. But these two guys who are reputable on EF haven't made much of a case for themselves. Personally, we are throwing out acqusations that these two were part of the conspiracy. Maybe they were. Maybe they weren't. The only people that know the answer are Indy, Satch, and Radar. For me, they are innocent until proven guilty. Just because they probably received legitimate merchandise from Satch and may have promoted his products does not mean they were connected to him.

This drama needs to stop. Once again, I'm sorry for you guys losing your money and hope your situation gets resolved.
 
i am what i am said:
I don't know Satch. Never dealt with him. But I feel sorry for those who lost money ordering gear. I really do. I have been there before. There is nothing anyone can do about it. It took me awhile to read this article, like 20 minutes, and what I got out of it was nothing. Just a bunch of pissed off bros who want to go storm out to a country half-way around the world to beat/kill some jerkoff who doesn't deserve the time of day. Satch will fall victim to one of these guys that he scammed. His day will come but none of you will get your money back.

As for Radar and Indy, I don't know either of them well. Indy advised me to get igf one time at Satch's site, but I never did. Thank you Mr. X. But these two guys who are reputable on EF haven't made much of a case for themselves. Personally, we are throwing out acqusations that these two were part of the conspiracy. Maybe they were. Maybe they weren't. The only people that know the answer are Indy, Satch, and Radar. For me, they are innocent until proven guilty. Just because they probably received legitimate merchandise from Satch and may have promoted his products does not mean they were connected to him.

This drama needs to stop. Once again, I'm sorry for you guys losing your money and hope your situation gets resolved.
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Radar had nothing to do with anything. INDY is the one that needs to give some answers and FAST.
 
Mr.X said:
Radar had nothing to do with anything. INDY is the one that needs to give some answers and FAST.
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I know. Good bro to me. Have talked to him personally via email in past. Just needed to clarify that Radar's name should not be throw around so lightly as I have been viewing on threads.
 
tiger88 said:
no shit.......serious dude....fucking AMEN

FYI satch never lived in the middle east..he lives in riverside, CA
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How do you know this bro? That's close to a bunch of bros.
 
AAP said:
LISTEN UP!!

No one on this board should be bullied by other members. I don't give a damn if they are Plats, Mods, or the admins Grandmothers. That shit happen again, you just come and tell me and that issue will be resolved immediately.

I am not affliated with any source or "BFF" with anyone on this board and I try to treat everyone equally. Mods themselves can not ban anyone (unless a spammer) without having the consent and approval of two other moderators that agree with them. Plat members can't ban anyone. Period. If someone try this strong arm tactic with any of you or threaten to ban you, you let someone know.
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Absolutely.
When my issue arose I notified Radar and Mustang immediately and all was well.
 
Originally Posted by tiger88
no shit.......serious dude....fucking AMEN

FYI satch never lived in the middle east..he lives in riverside, CA
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Just because satch had you send money to Cali...Hmmm Where one of his cohort lives, doesn't mean satch lives there
 
Ulter said:
For what? He's not there anymore. Besides that the addresses there only go as far as the local post office. If it's that important to anyone, and I can't imagine why, I'll go look it up.

Satch is not Fonz
Satch = Israel
Fonz = New Mexico

Besides I know a member here that knows Satch in Israel and Fonz has never been there. :)
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Whatever Nelson.... LOL :p
 
Mr.X said:
Satch was NOT FONZ, 2 different people. It wouldn't make sense, their personalities were worlds apart.
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I know, I know, I know... it was a joke to lighten the mood around here!

Geez!
 
My take is this,
Indy friends with Satch and got screwed hard by the situation and I got into it with the both of them so there is no love lost between the two of us, just my take on the situation.
Satch, well lets be honest, this seems out of character for him given how many people used him as a last resort given his fuller than full retail prices but for the most part was solid. The whole thing, mind you, I got into it real good with him and didnt come back to the ana board since then, but it is very surprising to me that he turned scammer. Everyone does though, just surprised

Radar had nothing to do with this btw
 
slat1 said:
Wake up everyone. This board has regular people on it, sources, scammers, federal agents, people working with the agents etc.
There is no way to tell who is what unless you work for the DEA etc.
There has been a lot of careless posting that could come back to haunt people.
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Are you from MIB?
 
could satch just have an offshore bank account in isreal? the government couldnt touch whats not in our country. isreal seems weird but tax free and federal agents coundnt touch it. Hell that is what any smart man would do. i would.
 
Satch was an asshole, plain and simple. I never ordered from him for this reason. A few lessons (not just satch):


1) Dont deal with assholes.

2) If a source pushes his shit on every single one of his posts, and is not reprimanded by mods, be cautious.

3) If you source claims "he will only sell qulaity human grade, and not trash made in people's bathtubs" and then sells that stuff 6 months later, raise an eyebrow.

4) If your source can't spell, and sells underground gear, you probably do not want it.

5) Dont give out money you are willing to lose

6) 95% of sources WILL go scammer. Period. I have been on the boards close to 5 years now (others, not elite), and I can think of exactly 2 that have genuinely retired.
 
ceo said:
How do you know this bro? That's close to a bunch of bros.
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I brought that up on another board and was told by the Admin that he had been busted in the US a while back for gear, skipped out on his bond and went overseas... he hasn't been back since. Anyone know the truth to that?
 
DBBT said:
yes that is him if i have mod approval i can post his f'ing home address.
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Can you elaborate on how you discovered this web site and know his address? If this is true, I am sure a number of people would like to know.
 
Chill out bro. Do you see him in the pics with his wife & kids? What do you want to happen to them? How far do you want this to go. Kicking his ass if he is guilty is one thing , but you don't know who all is out here and what they may do.
 
BBkingpin said:
Radar was a strong advocate of GTP.
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I just stumbled onto the fact that BBkingpin's avatar is also on Indy Camero's picture gallery. It looks to be a picture of his legs. The picture is titled legs1 and is in the second row down. Something strange here.
 
maldorf said:
I just stumbled onto the fact that BBkingpin's avatar is also on Indy Camero's picture gallery. It looks to be a picture of his legs. The picture is titled legs1 and is in the second row down. Something strange here.
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Yes it looks that way.. :worried:
 
DBBT said:
yes
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DBBT are you saying that the pic of him holding the camera with a shot of his face is the same person as the pic at that genton website? There's also a upper body shot on his gallery (very lean person) to compare with the shot of him holding the camera. To me it doesn't look like the same person. Maybe part of the deception?
 
maldorf said:
I just stumbled onto the fact that BBkingpin's avatar is also on Indy Camero's picture gallery. It looks to be a picture of his legs. The picture is titled legs1 and is in the second row down. Something strange here.
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Wooooooahhh there... check this shit
 
JIMguy said:
Wooooooahhh there... check this shit
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The guy in the legs pic is the same guy in jeans (shirtless) in Indy's gallery......................he's wearing the same jeans, underwear, and black belt that can be seen in both pics, even with his pants down.
 
Kachunga said:
DBBT are you saying that the pic of him holding the camera with a shot of his face is the same person as the pic at that genton website? There's also a upper body shot on his gallery (very lean person) to compare with the shot of him holding the camera. To me it doesn't look like the same person. Maybe part of the deception?
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bro none of indy's pic in his gallery are him! Yes and that avi he used to have with him holding the camera and his 9mm holster strap and grey shirt blue jeans is him, the website is him...he's not lean, guy
 
DBBT said:
bro none of indy's pic in his gallery are him! Yes and that avi he used to have with him holding the camera and his 9mm holster strap and grey shirt blue jeans is him, the website is him...he's not lean, guy
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I need to go do some cardio or something.................

This is a lot to take in...................


Nice work guys - you really did your homework, and I always give credit where credit's due.
 
:sulk:

I believe Indy Camaro has just left the building....................
 
my gut feeling is indy just got taken by some bad company who pulled the wool over his eyes!


I Posted this shit was going down from an informant a few months ago ,went out of town and mon nite it was deleted!
Damn! I hate this ....esp satch who would have ever known.....well Karma always comes back around and he will get his!

RADAR
 
Keep up the great work everyone, and keep posting all this great information. I hope these two faggots get whats coming to them.. I am a genuinely nice person, but I was glad to see these two assholes go down. I knew snatch was no good and it was an added bonus to see that cock sucker indy go down too. Hope you two clowns caught my revised scamboogie collection! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

By the way, thanks for all the Karma. Im glad I could make you guys laugh. I hope I gave everyone karma back that gave it to me.. :) I do have a top 10 snatch/indy list that Im working on, so look for it soon. ;) Have to study for midterm all weekend...
 
Posted by indy on another board (Where he is now BANNED) when someone was concerned about Satch disappearance. tsk tsk tsk....

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i tried e-mailing the man today, but i got back an automated response saying that hes recovering from a bad accident. i hope everything is ok with him. i would appreciate it if anyone knows anything about this



He's a close friend and myself and my wife talk to him daily, he is doing great right now, no worries.

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BBkingpin said:
Radar was a strong advocate of GTP.
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Yeah! and that proves nothing except i got excellent shipping i had it in about 3 days after i ordered it.

Others used it also does that make them connected to satch?


RADAR
 
Great leg work on finding his pics - but please keep the kids out of this mess..........................

I know we all are FAR from perfect, but I wouldn't want "people <- know" to EVER have his kids (or wife) in their sights.
 
RADAR said:
Yeah! and that proves nothing except i got excellent shipping i had it in about 3 days after i ordered it.

Others used it also does that make them connected to satch?


RADAR
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I agree with you,many people used that stuff and raved about it,to jump on you for recommending something that many others were raving about is absolute bullshit. I hope those that scammed get hit by a truck but some of this is getting ridiculous.
 
casey74 said:
I've solved it!!! It was Colonel Mustard in the den with a lead pipe!!!
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lol, I played Clue exactly once in my life but I got that one hahahaha
 
holy shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BUSTED IN EVERY WAY

I BET THAT FUCKER CANT SLEEP LOL
 
racoon_city said:
holy shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BUSTED IN EVERY WAY

I BET THAT FUCKER CANT SLEEP LOL
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So the piccies of this guy are Indy, or arent?, if i was gonna scam someone i wouldn't be daft enough to post pics of myself, i doubt these 2 were either.
 
right now, there is no proof INDY is part of the scam

in fact, he looks like a pawn used by satch, but I don't really know that. Until INDY comes back and responds, we will not make this a zoo. Give him until monday to defend himself to be fair.

DBBT, you know better, you should ask before posting peoples personal infomation.
 
RADAR said:
my gut feeling is indy just got taken by some bad company who pulled the wool over his eyes!


I Posted this shit was going down from an informant a few months ago ,went out of town and mon nite it was deleted!
Damn! I hate this ....esp satch who would have ever known.....well Karma always comes back around and he will get his!

RADAR
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This is true Radar did say this.
 
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