I'm surprised nobody has given props to California yet...

[75th]

...for overturning Prop 8.

Kudos to them.

 

[Crocodome]

Kudos for 1 asshat overturning the popular vote? I think not.

 

[binö]

props for going against the people's will?
for a activist judge to decide what's best for the people?
bullshit man, the people have spoken

 

[75th]

lol @ activist judge.

The judge was appointed by Bush. Not only that, but his argument was well thought out and made perfect sense:

•"Sexual orientation is commonly discussed as a characteristic of the individual. Sexual orientation is fundamental to a person's identity and is a distinguishing characteristic that defines gays and lesbians as a discrete group. Proponents' assertion that sexual orientation cannot be defined is contrary to the weight of the evidence."

•"Individuals do not generally choose their sexual orientation. No credible evidence supports a finding that an individual may, through conscious decision, therapeutic intervention or any other method, change his or her sexual orientation."


•"Same-sex couples are identical to opposite-sex couples in the characteristics relevant to the ability to form successful marital unions. Like opposite-sex couples, same-sex couples have happy, satisfying relationships and form deep emotional bonds and strong commitments to their partners. Standardized measures of relationship satisfaction, relationship adjustment and love do not differ depending on whether a couple is same-sex or opposite-sex."


•"Marrying a person of the opposite sex is an unrealistic option for gay and lesbian individuals."


•"Same-sex couples receive the same tangible and intangible benefits from marriage that opposite-sex couples receive."


•"The availability of domestic partnership does not provide gays and lesbians with a status equivalent to marriage because the cultural meaning of marriage and its associated benefits are intentionally withheld from same-sex couples in domestic partnerships."


•"Permitting same-sex couples to marry will not affect the number of opposite-sex couples who marry, divorce, cohabit, have children outside of marriage or otherwise affect the stability of opposite-sex marriages."

Perhaps the most important political finding that Walker made was his conclusion that the fact that Prop 8 passed as a voter initiative was irrelevant as "fundamental rights may not be submitted to [a] vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."

This is not a direct democracy and there are checks and balances. The ban on gay marriage is, at the end of the day, unconstitutional. Just because 7 million voters have some problem with geighs getting married doesnt make it correct.

 

[75th]

Also...

... is not a right. It is a privilege that may or may not be granted. Politics is no place...consequently the privilege should not be granted....

The courageous, chivalrous, and manly men and the womanly women, the real mothers and home builders of the country, are opposed to this innovation in American political life. ...

... has been proven a failure in states that have tried it. It is wrong. California should profit by the mistakes of other states. ... On the contrary, statistics go to show that in most equal ... states, Colorado particularly, that divorces have greatly increased since the adoption of the ... amendment, showing that it has been a home destroyer.

Keep the home pure and all will be well with the Republic. Let not the sanctity of the home be invaded by every little politician that may be running up and down the highway for office.

Arguments and points sound familiar from the anti-geigh crowd?

These were points taken from an argument written by J. B. Sanford, Senator, 4th District of California...in 1911...expressing his displeasure over the passing of Women's Sufferage--the right for women to vote.

 

[redshirt27se]

sets a dangerous precedent. "vote on the issue, but if it's not what we want we'll just change it"


while i don't give a fuck about gay marriage, more people voted against it than for it.

 

[75th]

sets a dangerous precedent. "vote on the issue, but if it's not what we want we'll just change it"


while i don't give a fuck about gay marriage, more people voted against it than for it.

You could probably get a majority to vote to reinstate slavery in some areas of the south.

Doesnt make it right. Thats why we have the system we have.

 

[75th]

How did he overstep his authority? He did his job.

Theres no chance of the Supreme Court overruling him, either. This ones a done deal.

 

[redshirt27se]

You could probably get a majority to vote to reinstate slavery in some areas of the south.

Doesnt make it right. Thats why we have the system we have.

that's a poor comparison.


as for the system we have? you mean the one where a judge oversteps his authority? this will be held up in the courts for a while.

 

[imafuturebodybuilder]

I'm against it..... YES ON 8.