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all the whey
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Ask your wife to stop making you sleep on the couch.
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borris
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The doc gave me a RX of Zoloft to relieve my anxiety, was absolutely the worst thing ever, I felt like I had no emotions for 3 months, I didn't get happy or sad, I was just on a steady flow of feeling blah
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Spartacus
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wellbutrin's helped me
no sex side effects either
dont let them lexapro you
no sex side effects either
dont let them lexapro you
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jerseyrugger76
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I've been on Celexa for migraine prophylaxis for over a year. My moods are stable, no side effects, and no migraines. So, I can't complain. Finding the right drug for you may take some doing, however, so if you start to feel weird or unusually shitty after a few weeks, talk to your doc, and see about switching to a different drug. Though they all seek to accomplish the same objective, all anti-depressants are all chemically distinct, so your body will react to each one differently. It's just a matter of finding the right one for you. Best of luck!
Wootoom said:
I read a story on yahoo news that said antidepressants claim to do a lot more than they really do.
Here's similar ones-
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/17/health/webmd/main3723134.shtml
http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/16/news/companies/antidepressants/index.htm?section=money_latest
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411416/1548097
I was on prozac for half my teen years and it helped me kick ocd. It gives you that little extra push to stop spinning your wheels. It seemed to work but I was younger too. I tried more of it later in college and it just made me tired. Maybe it was expired or I was taking too much.
Anyway I think people should be careful not to rely on antidepressants. Best to find one that gives you some balance, like training wheels and then take them off when you're good to go.
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silverstar1025
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borris said:
My doc tried to put me on anti meds for anxiety to and after two days I had to get off. It was HORRIBLE! I would rather deal with the anxiety than ever get on those things again. I felt like I was having a terrible rolling experience of something. I felt bad.
Good luck with them Woot. Hopefully you don't feel weird on them and they do you some good.
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MightyMouse69 said:
Now don't go depressing people even more making them feel loco!
all the whey
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velvett said:
Really?
Mines Stilleto.
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jerseyrugger76
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velvett said:
My migraines were crippling. They began during my second year of grad school. The presentation was atypical, as I wasn't nauseous and didn't have major issues with equilibrium, but the rest of the tickets were there.
I actually take 3 things: Topamax, Celexa, and Amitriptylene. I have A LOT of food triggers, in addition to anxiety. I could prolly come off of the Celexa and be ok, but I feel great, so I see no reason to rock the boat. Topamax and Amitriptylene were, literally, life savers for me. Were I to come off of those two meds, I would enter a near perpetual migraine state. Taking those two babies, and observing some dietary guidelines, keeps me 100% migraine free.
And, no, a psychiatrist Rx'd the Celexa, but I wouldn't be surprised if neurologists have written that script as well.
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Wootoom said:
That helps!
Thats why I told you to ask your wife if you could stop sleeping on the couch.
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Spartacus
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Neurontin (Gabapentin) works well for anxiety and/or generalized anxietysilverstar1025 said:
I'm on it and know of a couple girls on it too,and they too have a favorable opinion of it
you dont feel like you're on something,like with the benzodiazepines
so my regimen is a wellbutrin and neurontin taken together,sometimes once a day,sometimes 3 times
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jerseyrugger76 said:
wow, WOW
That's fantastic that you've found something that works for you - migraines are just the worst.
I've tried Topamax twice and it's a really bad pairing for me and I'm not familiar with Amitriptylene.
That gives me hope - I'll just have to keep searching.
txbondsman
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jerseyrugger76 said:
true dat! I'm a clonazapam man myself, every morning like clockwork, one of the best damn chemicals man ever made imo...
all the whey
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txbondsman said:
Maybe woots wife should try that for all her headaches.
I think that is the reason he has to sleep on the couch.
Then, he wouldn't need anti-depressants!
mountain muscle
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Woots, you are in the oilfield.
Do what the rest of us do and drink lots and break shit.
Also there is a whole new class of anti-depressants graduating every year from the local high school.
Do what the rest of us do and drink lots and break shit.
Also there is a whole new class of anti-depressants graduating every year from the local high school.
txbondsman
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hell, borrow PM's fleshlight, then you don't have the required cuddeling afterward, sounds like a plan to me...
it's just fleshlight, channel clicker, snore......
it's just fleshlight, channel clicker, snore......
DannoMight
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whenever i'm a lil sad i just use my getting high powers
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Spartacus
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I took paxil after my divorce
I could feel the "cloud" lifting in a week
If I had sought out meds before I got divorced I'd likely still be married
sometimes you get to a point and it's described with a "rolling snowball" effect in which your nerves are bombarded with stress hormones be it because of work issues,marital issues etc.
and you need med help
myself I withdrew into myself and that contributed to our parting(the xwife)
I got off paxil once I realized I could't cum
I did nail one of my xwife's enemies for over two hours straight on that damn paxil
around a week or so after the divorce
and the xwife gave me the biz about that over the phone
I'm hey we're divorced wtf are you talkin' about?
looking back now she loved me and it hurt her
so what I tryin' to say woot is get some meds before it's too late
and I'm not sayin' it's your fault
it just helps to clear your mind and then deal with your issues between each other
I got to a point I didn't even listen to her,she'd try and have an arguement and I'd just walk away
and then you have all these people telling you this
that
this that ad nauseum
fvck I never want to go through that again
I could feel the "cloud" lifting in a week
If I had sought out meds before I got divorced I'd likely still be married
sometimes you get to a point and it's described with a "rolling snowball" effect in which your nerves are bombarded with stress hormones be it because of work issues,marital issues etc.
and you need med help
myself I withdrew into myself and that contributed to our parting(the xwife)
I got off paxil once I realized I could't cum
I did nail one of my xwife's enemies for over two hours straight on that damn paxil
around a week or so after the divorce
and the xwife gave me the biz about that over the phone
I'm hey we're divorced wtf are you talkin' about?
looking back now she loved me and it hurt her
so what I tryin' to say woot is get some meds before it's too late
and I'm not sayin' it's your fault
it just helps to clear your mind and then deal with your issues between each other
I got to a point I didn't even listen to her,she'd try and have an arguement and I'd just walk away
and then you have all these people telling you this
that
this that ad nauseum
fvck I never want to go through that again
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jerseyrugger76
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velvett said:
Yeah, Topamax is like that. Either it saves your ass or messes with your head. Definitely look into Amitriptylene. It's dirt cheap (i.e. I get 60 tabs for like 13.00 if I pay w/o going thru insurance), it wipes out most migraine pain, gives me the best night sleep I've ever head w/o suppressing dreams, and it provides a mood lift in some people (just not me). So, quite a bit of bang for your buck. Only bad side is that above 50mgs per day it makes me crave sweets in the worst possible way.
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jerseyrugger76
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txbondsman said:
It's definitely a fun chemical!
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jerseyrugger76
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Spartacus said:
Regular Effexor kept me from cumming, but I didn't have that problem with Effexor XR. Weirdness, huh?
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Spartacus
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I found with effexor all I had to do was quit taking it for about 3 days prior to sex and I was alrightjerseyrugger76 said:
that wasn't too problematic for me as I was adating a girl who lived in LA(I'm in alabama)
so we'd see each other for about 5 days a month
overall after trying so many(serzone worked great,but now it's offmarket)
I've sworn off the SSRI's entirely
women want you to be aggressive on the second date
i switched from effexor to wellbutrin because of the sexual sides, at 50 I think it had something to do with age (the effexor sides) wellbutrin works fine for me 100mg twice a day.................15years of marriage trust me it's help keep it together. I'm to aggresive without it! Plus helps me deal with the kid's, more laid back........
Spartacus said:
Gabapentin is the best sleep med I've taken. I think it was 600 mgs and I was out like a light for up to 10 hours with the most vivid dreams. I can't imagine taking that stuff during the day and functioning.
I took Paxil back in the day, shit was terrible. It made me worse, and I wanted to sleep non stop. Then I got prescribed some other shit, that I never took. Don't even recall the name of it. I would take pills, but I hate pills. I figure I am fine, I am only as depressed as I allow myself. Nothing too serious
Wootoom said:
Dude, eveyone goes through ups and downs in life. It doesn't necessarily mean you need any sort of chemical enhancement.
These drugs do not grant instant gratification or happiness. They often take months to give the user any positive effects.
If you're really considering this really broad class of drugs (SSRIs, NRIs, SSNRIs, TCAs (probably now defunct), MAOIs, anti-epileptics (e.g., gabapentin or pragabolin), benzodiazepines, et cetera), make sure to know what you're getting into. Have thorough discussions with your prescribing physician. Most of these drugs aren't take-as-you-need-them, and require ramping up as well as cycling off to avoid potential side effects. They can lead to more harm than good.
HTH
You're not alone bro, Killah posting more lately depresses us all.
Lestat said:
I didn't notice any differences other than stomach pain - it's just a high dose Aleve which I should have know becasue I never noticed them to work either.
GAH
The only med I ever noticed to work at all was butabital but it's so easy to go from 1 a day to 3 and that's no good.
Your absolutely right their bro.You actually have an eternity.....to get this right.Pull it together man.Straighten those shoulders, chin up,puff out that chest. Connect with your errrrrr,......... masculinity.Thats right,now feel that force.Feel it flooding through every part of you.BETTER ALREADY.You were beginning to sound like the sort of guy who likes to pump his tool in front of other men.Now look on the bright side bro.In another decade you could have been face down in a muddy trench with a rifle ready to go over the top into machine gun fire.Maybe it feels that way.With me protecting you thats no problem.Now to the serious part.Your muscle growth has always suggested your natural in a big way.Stay off those recreationals.Your pecs will look so much better with a little size. Weighted dips are the answer to all your prays. Finally.Keep it real ,and don't let the buggers get you down or they will never get off you.Hats off bro.Wootoom said:
almost-pro
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lexapro and clonazepam keeps me from killing my co-workers.
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Spartacus
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at least when you're married I think it's easier to tolerate sexual sides because you two know you can get back to the happy(sex) stuff once you feel betterWootoom said:
as a single guy w/o a SO I found it to be a fuckin' bitch to be on something that made me feel so much better,but wiped me out sexually
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Spartacus
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well I blew a .347 when I checked into rehabJacob Creutzfeldt said:
and I remember it too
though they said I made a pass at a nurse and I didn't remember that
I asked later when the man in charge told me
"was she good looking?"
he said yes so I felt better
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Spartacus
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they gave lexapor to most everyguy in rehabjnevin said:
alcoholic? lexapro
opiate addict? lexapro
crack addict? lexapor
and read the big book and go over the 12 steps ad nauseum
10 grand for 16 days of that
fvck that
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borris
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Anti-depressants don't help you get happy, they only help you from getting overly depressed and down on yourself. So unless your dragging sad throughout the day and feel extremely shitty constantly, don't even bother
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Spartacus
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generallyLestat said:
but in my experience I'm a 'quick adopter or whatever they call it
paxil had me feeling better in a week
after 2 weeks I felt I could walk into a stadium full of 70,000 people and give a speech
another SSRI worked real well for me too
Luvox
I got it prescribed,but didn't take it cause I knew it would fuck me up sexually
and then one night I took two of them by accident thinking I was taking my sleeping pills
whoa!
the next morning I popped up out of bed like toast
no need for coffee,I felt great,I was ready to dozens of things
but then that damn sex problem
these SSRI's are like mini-ecstasy trips
they flood your brain with serotonin and you feel better
but too much serotonin retards orgasm,and seems to be worse for men
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Spartacus
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something else I'd like to discuss is I read sometime ago about how chronic migraine sufferers have more exciting/dramatic orgasms
has to do with the dopamine overloads in their brains
I rarely even have a headache
shit
has to do with the dopamine overloads in their brains
I rarely even have a headache
shit
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Spartacus
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http://www.sexualenhancement.org/lisuride1.htm
(Lisuride series, part 1)
Version 2.1, March 2002 (rev.)
Lisuride (brand name Dopergine and others) is a Parkinson's medication, which, like all Parkinson's medications enhances the presence and/or activity of the neurotransmitter dopamine in the human brain. In many instances, enhanced dopamine functionality has been associated with increased sexual appetite and better sexual performance.
I decided to try lisuride after a friend and reader reported a positive experience with lisuride. The reader described his experience as follows:
"Lisuride: I tried this after reading about it in the book Sexual Pharmacology. It is available in Europe. A friend got some from France. It is an ergotic dopaminergic drug, mainly used for Parkinson's disease. The packet insert lists impuissance (impotence) as another indication. It has a real effect. It increases desire and sensitivity. It also causes nausea."
So far the reader's experience.
I myself got some lisuride (Dopergine) in Thailand where most prescription medications are sold over the counter. I have also tried a number of dopamine medications for their alleged capability to enhance sexuality. I have had good effects with some of them, though during my early experiments with dopamine agonists, I made clear mistakes in the way I ingested them. As a result, nausea has always been a problem. (Part 3 of this series of articles on lisuride deals with the correct way to ingest dopamine agonists for sexual enhancement.)
Parkinson's medications can be quite powerful in unpleasant effects if taken by people who are not Parkinson's patients. So I started my lisuride experiment with just a quarter of a tablet, not combining it with anything else.
It didn't have much of a sexual effect, but I experienced a fit of anger that lasted for hours and wasn't very pleasant for my social environment. I don't know, though, to what extent to blame the lisuride. Anger hasn't been much of a problem in further lisuride experiments. But there were others.
In my next experiment I tried half a tablet of lisuride, combined with nothing else, and I felt absolutely lousy. I had to lie down right from the moment I felt the lisuride kicking in, and I had to stay in bed for the whole day. Thank God it was Sunday and I didn't have any urgent work to do.
I didn't develop any fever, or other measurable symptoms such as increased heart rate. I just felt lousy, as if I wanted to vomit, tough I didn't reach that point.
I know this kind of nausea from a few years ago. From the mid-twenties on, for several years, I terribly suffered from migraines. It would be an understatement to call them migraine headaches, as these attacks really effected the whole body, including being nauseated to the point of vomiting.
I want to relate more on these migraine states, because of their similarity to what I experienced under lisuride.
While those migraine attacks were unpleasant to the extreme, I usually could escape the discomfort by lying down to sleep. This option obviously was available only when I didn't have to work. It was, therefore, good timing if I had my migraine attacks on Sundays, and indeed, for months on end, I suffered from migraine every Sunday, so I just spent these days in bed, sleeping along. In order to clarify that my headaches really were migraines, I shall describe them briefly. I usually experienced migraine attacks when I was very relaxed (on those free Sundays I learned to hate). On high-stress days, I seldom experienced migraine attacks.
Usually, when it occurred to me, that, shit, I was very relaxed, the first measurable symptom wasn't far away. I would lose vision. I would lose vision gradually over some ten to fifteen minutes. It would start with my vision becoming glassy on the edges (distorted as if one looked at the world through the bottom of a cheap drinking glass. Over the period of about five minutes, this glassiness would move to the center of vision. The vision would then change to a full blackout. Very soon thereafter, I would regain vision from the edge. This resulted in funnily distorted perceptions. I could, for example, sit directly opposite a person and see everything surrounding us at the edges, but I wouldn't see the person directly in front of me.
I possess a good portion of distrust for the medical establishment, and I would say, luckily so. Otherwise I just could have gotten into the hands of some mad psychiatrist who would have diagnosed my vision distortions as hallucinations based on some specific sub-type of schizophrenia, and I would have passed my days as a heavily sedated patient in a psychiatric institution.
Obviously, I was worried about my migraines particularly in the months after they first occurred. I wondered whether I had a strange brain disease or maybe just an ordinary head tumor, which would rob this young promising journalist of his future, and his beautiful girlfriend of the best love maker she ever would have.
Am I really so convinced of my sexual prowess at that time? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe it's just for the impact I wish this essay will have on the reader. Maybe I just want to recommend to young pretty women that they find themselves a migraine sufferer if they want to experience great sex. Anyway, I'm wholeheartedly convinced that there exists a strong relationship between dopamine and migraine headaches. I would even go as far as postulating the hypothesis that migraines are a direct result of hyper-dopaminergic events in the brain, and that, while migraine attacks surely are unpleasant, migraine sufferers are also likely to get the best out of their sex lives.
I base this assessment on ample personal experience with migraines, as well as in the horizontal position. At the time I was super sick with migraines, I was also super healthy, sex-wise. This was a time when I could come up with a world-class erection out of the blue by just focusing my though on a girl I saw a little while ago. There was a time when I could maintain a world-class erection for half an hour or an hour just by daydreaming about some past or imagined sexual encounters. It was a time when I could willfully produce an ejaculation by just applying a strong grip to that organ that rightfully is called vital.
I am convinced that a strong relationship exists between migraines and dopamine activity, and over the years I have come across a good number of indications that this is the case, without first actually recognizing the proof. Please see part 2 of this series for details.
(Lisuride series, part 1)
Version 2.1, March 2002 (rev.)
Lisuride (brand name Dopergine and others) is a Parkinson's medication, which, like all Parkinson's medications enhances the presence and/or activity of the neurotransmitter dopamine in the human brain. In many instances, enhanced dopamine functionality has been associated with increased sexual appetite and better sexual performance.
I decided to try lisuride after a friend and reader reported a positive experience with lisuride. The reader described his experience as follows:
"Lisuride: I tried this after reading about it in the book Sexual Pharmacology. It is available in Europe. A friend got some from France. It is an ergotic dopaminergic drug, mainly used for Parkinson's disease. The packet insert lists impuissance (impotence) as another indication. It has a real effect. It increases desire and sensitivity. It also causes nausea."
So far the reader's experience.
I myself got some lisuride (Dopergine) in Thailand where most prescription medications are sold over the counter. I have also tried a number of dopamine medications for their alleged capability to enhance sexuality. I have had good effects with some of them, though during my early experiments with dopamine agonists, I made clear mistakes in the way I ingested them. As a result, nausea has always been a problem. (Part 3 of this series of articles on lisuride deals with the correct way to ingest dopamine agonists for sexual enhancement.)
Parkinson's medications can be quite powerful in unpleasant effects if taken by people who are not Parkinson's patients. So I started my lisuride experiment with just a quarter of a tablet, not combining it with anything else.
It didn't have much of a sexual effect, but I experienced a fit of anger that lasted for hours and wasn't very pleasant for my social environment. I don't know, though, to what extent to blame the lisuride. Anger hasn't been much of a problem in further lisuride experiments. But there were others.
In my next experiment I tried half a tablet of lisuride, combined with nothing else, and I felt absolutely lousy. I had to lie down right from the moment I felt the lisuride kicking in, and I had to stay in bed for the whole day. Thank God it was Sunday and I didn't have any urgent work to do.
I didn't develop any fever, or other measurable symptoms such as increased heart rate. I just felt lousy, as if I wanted to vomit, tough I didn't reach that point.
I know this kind of nausea from a few years ago. From the mid-twenties on, for several years, I terribly suffered from migraines. It would be an understatement to call them migraine headaches, as these attacks really effected the whole body, including being nauseated to the point of vomiting.
I want to relate more on these migraine states, because of their similarity to what I experienced under lisuride.
While those migraine attacks were unpleasant to the extreme, I usually could escape the discomfort by lying down to sleep. This option obviously was available only when I didn't have to work. It was, therefore, good timing if I had my migraine attacks on Sundays, and indeed, for months on end, I suffered from migraine every Sunday, so I just spent these days in bed, sleeping along. In order to clarify that my headaches really were migraines, I shall describe them briefly. I usually experienced migraine attacks when I was very relaxed (on those free Sundays I learned to hate). On high-stress days, I seldom experienced migraine attacks.
Usually, when it occurred to me, that, shit, I was very relaxed, the first measurable symptom wasn't far away. I would lose vision. I would lose vision gradually over some ten to fifteen minutes. It would start with my vision becoming glassy on the edges (distorted as if one looked at the world through the bottom of a cheap drinking glass. Over the period of about five minutes, this glassiness would move to the center of vision. The vision would then change to a full blackout. Very soon thereafter, I would regain vision from the edge. This resulted in funnily distorted perceptions. I could, for example, sit directly opposite a person and see everything surrounding us at the edges, but I wouldn't see the person directly in front of me.
I possess a good portion of distrust for the medical establishment, and I would say, luckily so. Otherwise I just could have gotten into the hands of some mad psychiatrist who would have diagnosed my vision distortions as hallucinations based on some specific sub-type of schizophrenia, and I would have passed my days as a heavily sedated patient in a psychiatric institution.
Obviously, I was worried about my migraines particularly in the months after they first occurred. I wondered whether I had a strange brain disease or maybe just an ordinary head tumor, which would rob this young promising journalist of his future, and his beautiful girlfriend of the best love maker she ever would have.
Am I really so convinced of my sexual prowess at that time? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe it's just for the impact I wish this essay will have on the reader. Maybe I just want to recommend to young pretty women that they find themselves a migraine sufferer if they want to experience great sex. Anyway, I'm wholeheartedly convinced that there exists a strong relationship between dopamine and migraine headaches. I would even go as far as postulating the hypothesis that migraines are a direct result of hyper-dopaminergic events in the brain, and that, while migraine attacks surely are unpleasant, migraine sufferers are also likely to get the best out of their sex lives.
I base this assessment on ample personal experience with migraines, as well as in the horizontal position. At the time I was super sick with migraines, I was also super healthy, sex-wise. This was a time when I could come up with a world-class erection out of the blue by just focusing my though on a girl I saw a little while ago. There was a time when I could maintain a world-class erection for half an hour or an hour just by daydreaming about some past or imagined sexual encounters. It was a time when I could willfully produce an ejaculation by just applying a strong grip to that organ that rightfully is called vital.
I am convinced that a strong relationship exists between migraines and dopamine activity, and over the years I have come across a good number of indications that this is the case, without first actually recognizing the proof. Please see part 2 of this series for details.
S
Spartacus
Guest
Can I, please, have my migraines back
by serge kreutz
http://www.sexualenhancement.org/lisuride2.htm
(Lisuride series, part 2)
Version 2.0, February 2002
It has been suspected for some time that particular foods can trigger migraine attacks... foods such as cheese, red wine, and chocolate. By the time I consulted those headache specialists at the Klinikum Grosshadern in Munich (end of the seventies) I have been told that I could try to avoid migraine headaches by not eating precisely these foods: cheese and chocolate.
I was not pleased with the advice that I should forego cheese in particular. During the years in Munich, when I worked for a TV station, I was an ardent consumer of very Bavarian, strong-smelling, hearty cheeses. Actually they were the staple of my diet with some 300 to 400 grams a day.
The idea that my cheese consumption would trigger my migraine attacks seemed, at that time, so strange to me that I never took it seriously, even though I had clear indications to support the idea, as I know from hindsight.
Rather, for as long as I lived in Munich, I blamed the weather there for my headaches, which is common practice in Munich. I then thought this to be obvious because I suffered from migraines when in Munich but did not during my travels to Southeast Asia, which I first undertook every few months, and then every few weeks.
Of course, in Southeast Asia, the weather is different from Southern Bavaria. But apart from that, the food that has been available to me in Southeast Asia at that time was also very different. No cheese. The migraines were a major reason why at the beginning of the eighties, I left Munich to settle in Southeast Asia.
As far as income was concerned, it first didn't work out so well in Southeast Asia. I may even say that I had a hard time for a few years. But I sure, too, didn't have a headache problem. The migraine attacks ceased completely.
Until a few years later, when I was well established and again could indulge in cheese, even though Gorgonzola, Camembert, and Roquefort could only be bought at five-star hotels and at prices matching the prestige of the shopping environment.
My migraine attacks also returned in full force. Even though it is quite obvious to me now that they were caused by those generous servings of cheese, I was blind for that fact at the time the attacks reoccurred. This time around, I didn't blame them on the weather, though. The weather in Manila is too different from Munich for that. Rather, I expected as culprit the stress of professional success. My streak of good luck in business (the publishing trade) didn't last long and I soon had to move to another country and start all over again. Gone were the professional luck, the stress of being successful, the migraines, and the cheese platters.
That's how I saw it then. Today I know that I should put it this way: Gone were the success, and the means to buy expensive selections of cheese, and, because of the modified diet, the migraine headaches.
It took another cycle of success, cheese, and migraine attacks until I finally realized their cause.
So, why does cheese cause migraine headaches? What ingredient is at fault?
I am scientifically minded but not a practicing scientific researcher. But I think I do have a clue as far as migraine is concerned. And the self-experiments with lisuride have something to do with it. During the second Asian cycle of success, cheese, and migraine (beginning of the nineties), I came across a newspaper item in which it was reported that scientists now definitely linked cheese and migraine. I gave up cheese completely for a few years (only), and I don't remember a single migraine attack after I did. But I don't want to give the credits entirely to the absence of cheese. I do remember that headache specialist at the Klinikum Grosshadern in Munich who, to console me, predicted that my migraine attacks would cease all by themselves after some twenty years.
That seemed an awfully long way off for a young man who felt so brain-damaged that he would wonder whether he would make it for another two, not another twenty years.
Now those twenty years have passed, and I want my migraine attacks back. Surprised? I bet you are. Actually, it's not the migraine attacks I want back, but the general state of health, or the pathological condition that accompanies them.
Headache researchers speak of a specific "migraine personality". I am a migraine personality, though one who has passed the migraine phase of his life.
However, I can relive migraine symptoms, the nausea as well as others, when ingesting lisuride. Lisuride is a Parkinson's medication. All Parkinson's medications work by enhancing dopamine synthesis, the inhibition of dopamine re-uptake (the storage of dopamine for eventual later use), or by supporting dopamine functionality through other means.
A good number of Parkinson's medications are MAO inhibitors. MAO stands for, no, in this case not the Cultural Revolution but "monoamine oxidase". Oxidase is an enzyme in the human body (-ase is the common ending of the scientific names of enzymes). Dopamine (and noradrenalin, as well as some other neurotransmitters) are monoamines by chemical structure.
However, monoamines do not only occur as neurotransmitters with a delicate influence on human well-being. Monoamines are also a common part of many foods. The most important monoamine in food is tyramine, and, you guessed it, foods particularly high in tyramine include, in first place, cheese... aged cheese in particular.
Classic MAO inhibitors are a dangerous medication. They don't only inhibit the MAO that breaks down the neurotransmitter dopamine, the wished-for effect in the treatment of Parkinson's. They also inhibit the MAO in the digestive tract where it is responsible for foods such as cheese. And that can be very dangerous because those tyramines of which there are plenty in cheese then make it into the neuronal control system where they mimic noradrenalin and cause increased blood pressure and heart rate, possibly leading to death. Physicians themselves call the condition not by a strange-sounding Latin euphemism but have named it in plain English as the "cheese effect".
Wow, cheese as a deadly poison.
Dopamine medications, including MAO inhibitors, are of interest not only in the treatment of Parkinson's disease. I have mentioned previously that the one Parkinson's medication that is the actual topic of this series of articles, lisuride, is, in some countries, an accepted drug for the treatment of impotence in men.
It took me a long time to realize the connection between cheese and migraine. But I now see a connection not only between the two, but, in a wider scope, between cheese, migraine, tyramines, dopamine, and being hyper-sexed.
Migraines are a discomfort, but being hyper-sexed is a wonderful condition. Previously, I thought it funny that while being bed-bound with migraine, and nauseated to a level where walking ten meters could make me vomit, I would still make regular use of my rights as a husband. And the same happens when I am nauseated and bed-bound by lisuride.
I mentioned above that I want my migraines back. No, not my migraines, but a health condition which is characterized by a susceptibility to migraines.
I want to be constantly activated as when I was your typical migraine sufferer. I want to be as driven by sexual desire as during a younger age. And I want to get the same pleasure out of my sexual encounters. In my best time, I could have wonderful climaxes just from a bit of embracing and a bit of kissing. It never occurred to me, that other people, and I myself at a later stage in life, would experience sexual encounters during which they, and I, just couldn't get it going. I used to be able to turn myself on by just willfully focusing my thought on a specific girl, or a specific scene that I would imagine.
I tried a lot. I even tried cheese. I discovered that I now have a perfect tolerance for cheese. I don't get migraine headaches from cheese. Any amount. And cheese doesn't work as aphrodisiac. But lisuride does. Provided I take it in the correct way. Site subscribers can read in part 3 of this series how it is done.
by serge kreutz
http://www.sexualenhancement.org/lisuride2.htm
(Lisuride series, part 2)
Version 2.0, February 2002
It has been suspected for some time that particular foods can trigger migraine attacks... foods such as cheese, red wine, and chocolate. By the time I consulted those headache specialists at the Klinikum Grosshadern in Munich (end of the seventies) I have been told that I could try to avoid migraine headaches by not eating precisely these foods: cheese and chocolate.
I was not pleased with the advice that I should forego cheese in particular. During the years in Munich, when I worked for a TV station, I was an ardent consumer of very Bavarian, strong-smelling, hearty cheeses. Actually they were the staple of my diet with some 300 to 400 grams a day.
The idea that my cheese consumption would trigger my migraine attacks seemed, at that time, so strange to me that I never took it seriously, even though I had clear indications to support the idea, as I know from hindsight.
Rather, for as long as I lived in Munich, I blamed the weather there for my headaches, which is common practice in Munich. I then thought this to be obvious because I suffered from migraines when in Munich but did not during my travels to Southeast Asia, which I first undertook every few months, and then every few weeks.
Of course, in Southeast Asia, the weather is different from Southern Bavaria. But apart from that, the food that has been available to me in Southeast Asia at that time was also very different. No cheese. The migraines were a major reason why at the beginning of the eighties, I left Munich to settle in Southeast Asia.
As far as income was concerned, it first didn't work out so well in Southeast Asia. I may even say that I had a hard time for a few years. But I sure, too, didn't have a headache problem. The migraine attacks ceased completely.
Until a few years later, when I was well established and again could indulge in cheese, even though Gorgonzola, Camembert, and Roquefort could only be bought at five-star hotels and at prices matching the prestige of the shopping environment.
My migraine attacks also returned in full force. Even though it is quite obvious to me now that they were caused by those generous servings of cheese, I was blind for that fact at the time the attacks reoccurred. This time around, I didn't blame them on the weather, though. The weather in Manila is too different from Munich for that. Rather, I expected as culprit the stress of professional success. My streak of good luck in business (the publishing trade) didn't last long and I soon had to move to another country and start all over again. Gone were the professional luck, the stress of being successful, the migraines, and the cheese platters.
That's how I saw it then. Today I know that I should put it this way: Gone were the success, and the means to buy expensive selections of cheese, and, because of the modified diet, the migraine headaches.
It took another cycle of success, cheese, and migraine attacks until I finally realized their cause.
So, why does cheese cause migraine headaches? What ingredient is at fault?
I am scientifically minded but not a practicing scientific researcher. But I think I do have a clue as far as migraine is concerned. And the self-experiments with lisuride have something to do with it. During the second Asian cycle of success, cheese, and migraine (beginning of the nineties), I came across a newspaper item in which it was reported that scientists now definitely linked cheese and migraine. I gave up cheese completely for a few years (only), and I don't remember a single migraine attack after I did. But I don't want to give the credits entirely to the absence of cheese. I do remember that headache specialist at the Klinikum Grosshadern in Munich who, to console me, predicted that my migraine attacks would cease all by themselves after some twenty years.
That seemed an awfully long way off for a young man who felt so brain-damaged that he would wonder whether he would make it for another two, not another twenty years.
Now those twenty years have passed, and I want my migraine attacks back. Surprised? I bet you are. Actually, it's not the migraine attacks I want back, but the general state of health, or the pathological condition that accompanies them.
Headache researchers speak of a specific "migraine personality". I am a migraine personality, though one who has passed the migraine phase of his life.
However, I can relive migraine symptoms, the nausea as well as others, when ingesting lisuride. Lisuride is a Parkinson's medication. All Parkinson's medications work by enhancing dopamine synthesis, the inhibition of dopamine re-uptake (the storage of dopamine for eventual later use), or by supporting dopamine functionality through other means.
A good number of Parkinson's medications are MAO inhibitors. MAO stands for, no, in this case not the Cultural Revolution but "monoamine oxidase". Oxidase is an enzyme in the human body (-ase is the common ending of the scientific names of enzymes). Dopamine (and noradrenalin, as well as some other neurotransmitters) are monoamines by chemical structure.
However, monoamines do not only occur as neurotransmitters with a delicate influence on human well-being. Monoamines are also a common part of many foods. The most important monoamine in food is tyramine, and, you guessed it, foods particularly high in tyramine include, in first place, cheese... aged cheese in particular.
Classic MAO inhibitors are a dangerous medication. They don't only inhibit the MAO that breaks down the neurotransmitter dopamine, the wished-for effect in the treatment of Parkinson's. They also inhibit the MAO in the digestive tract where it is responsible for foods such as cheese. And that can be very dangerous because those tyramines of which there are plenty in cheese then make it into the neuronal control system where they mimic noradrenalin and cause increased blood pressure and heart rate, possibly leading to death. Physicians themselves call the condition not by a strange-sounding Latin euphemism but have named it in plain English as the "cheese effect".
Wow, cheese as a deadly poison.
Dopamine medications, including MAO inhibitors, are of interest not only in the treatment of Parkinson's disease. I have mentioned previously that the one Parkinson's medication that is the actual topic of this series of articles, lisuride, is, in some countries, an accepted drug for the treatment of impotence in men.
It took me a long time to realize the connection between cheese and migraine. But I now see a connection not only between the two, but, in a wider scope, between cheese, migraine, tyramines, dopamine, and being hyper-sexed.
Migraines are a discomfort, but being hyper-sexed is a wonderful condition. Previously, I thought it funny that while being bed-bound with migraine, and nauseated to a level where walking ten meters could make me vomit, I would still make regular use of my rights as a husband. And the same happens when I am nauseated and bed-bound by lisuride.
I mentioned above that I want my migraines back. No, not my migraines, but a health condition which is characterized by a susceptibility to migraines.
I want to be constantly activated as when I was your typical migraine sufferer. I want to be as driven by sexual desire as during a younger age. And I want to get the same pleasure out of my sexual encounters. In my best time, I could have wonderful climaxes just from a bit of embracing and a bit of kissing. It never occurred to me, that other people, and I myself at a later stage in life, would experience sexual encounters during which they, and I, just couldn't get it going. I used to be able to turn myself on by just willfully focusing my thought on a specific girl, or a specific scene that I would imagine.
I tried a lot. I even tried cheese. I discovered that I now have a perfect tolerance for cheese. I don't get migraine headaches from cheese. Any amount. And cheese doesn't work as aphrodisiac. But lisuride does. Provided I take it in the correct way. Site subscribers can read in part 3 of this series how it is done.
S
Spartacus
Guest
serge the author of the above article's is the muthafuckin' man
I've been reading his shit since circa 2000
I've been reading his shit since circa 2000
S
Spartacus
Guest
rock-nuts?
something we don't know goin' on?
something we don't know goin' on?
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
do yourself a favor and get your thyroid thoroughly checked because it has the same symptoms as depresion. For instance ive been being treated for depressoin for years on various meds that did jack for me only to recently find out my thyroids acting up, but this is something i suspected years ago.
crazyjoe said:
That, or "ican'tgetlaidjoe" would work too.
Pat_McCrotch
New member
I hope something works out for ya bro
needtogetaas
New member
Hope you get better bro.
txbondsman
New member
jnevin said:
me too, and the funny thing about that was it said that the sides might make you LOSE weight, hell, I'd eat the hind end outa a skunk on that shit, and it had no effect whatsoever....
txbondsman
New member
Wootoom said:
I'll send ya some of my clonazopam (trade name Clonopin) shit works immediately, like 15-20 minutes after you take it. I was going through a child custody thing, I was so shaken up mentally that I litterally shook all over uncontrolably, my nerves were completely shot. Clonopin takes the edge away, lets you get the "real" thoughts out vs the imagined thoughts of "impending doom" that can consume you. It's a benzo, not for everybody, vary habbit forming. I also take it because of adult ADD, instead of hypractivity, in adults it can cause depression, as with me...
Doc says that I'll be on it for the rest of my life, unless something else comes along. I'm trying Stratera now, but it seems to make me sleepy after the initial stimulation wears off, but we'll see...
Woot, keep trying what the doc says, keep in close tabs with him, tons of meds, some work fine at lower doses when the initial higher dose doesn't help at all. Depression is a bitch, some peeps may make light of it and just tell you to "cowboy up!" Those peeps don't realize that to get TO that point, there needs to be a stopping point that you can gather yourself to do that. That's where the meds come in, they give you that point...
Good luck, you have many friends here, many, shit loads. Sometimes you won't feel like it, but just keep putting one foot in front of the other, do what needs to be done in your life, job wise, family wise, and keep keeping on. At some point, you can look back and say "DAMN, that was a bitch, glad it's over!"
gotmilk
New member
Wootoom said:
I had the worst stomach cramps when I started. I was super tired all the time and then I wanted to chainsaw everyone by the fourth week.
I switched to Desyrel which was way better.
In the end, I took about a month off, hit the beaches and just got back into a good sleeping habit. I feel way better and no longer needed any drugs. I was stressed out to the point I was depressed and could not sleep. The vacation actually helped recharge myself
