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I'm A Whiny Bitch(what the hell is this clomid doing to me)?
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I agree with PlateheadJim. I don't think the chlomid actually causes these emotional conditions. I think it is more related to the fact that 2-3 weeks after your cycle, your test. levels are starting to crash and you still have high estrogen levels. I used HCG concurrently with Chlomid for the first time after my last cycle, and I found that it was much more effective than chlomid alone. Have you tried HCG?
Another thought besides Proviron
May want to consider a pro-hormone in the AM only like 4-AD as it does a good job of raising test enough to help theraputically but not enough to suppress.. Keeps libido up and won't interfere with HPTA recovery. I usually add this + clen (for energy) + hmb for the first 2-4 weeks post cycle and it makes a huge difference in comparison to clomid alone.
May want to consider a pro-hormone in the AM only like 4-AD as it does a good job of raising test enough to help theraputically but not enough to suppress.. Keeps libido up and won't interfere with HPTA recovery. I usually add this + clen (for energy) + hmb for the first 2-4 weeks post cycle and it makes a huge difference in comparison to clomid alone.
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Originally posted by FLmuscles
...Have you tried HCG? [/B]
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>No I haven't. What does it do and where do you get it(i am not >asking for a source what i mean is can you get it easily or not)
HCG acts to "jumpstart" the testicles into producing test.-POW!-whereas the chlomid works in a slower manner. The HCG mimics Letenizing Hormone, which triggers the balls to make test. It's just what you need to get them going pronto after a cycle. You take it 2 or 3 weeks after your last test. injection, every 4 or 5 days for 3 or 4 shots. I get mine in Mexico, so I don't deal with the black market. I imagine it is pretty readily available though.
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Originally posted by FLmuscles
...Have you tried HCG? [/B]
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>No I haven't. What does it do and where do you get it(i am not >asking for a source what i mean is can you get it easily or not)
HCG acts to "jumpstart" the testicles into producing test.-POW!-whereas the chlomid works in a slower manner. The HCG mimics Letenizing Hormone, which triggers the balls to make test. It's just what you need to get them going pronto after a cycle. You take it 2 or 3 weeks after your last test. injection, every 4 or 5 days for 3 or 4 shots. I get mine in Mexico, so I don't deal with the black market. I imagine it is pretty readily available though.
I'm waiting for my 3 weeks to start my clomid just about there and I'm already crying like a baby before the clomid if I see something sad on tv, Lol I must have cried 4 times in the last 2 days over sad scenes , heck I don't care let the tears fall where they may!!I won't forget to carry my tissue and I'll keep my dark shades on till its over.ha ha The sweats is what kills me.
Clomid bitches
Clomid clearly antagonizes estrogen receptors in breast tissue and agonizes them in the brain. It makes me a bitch too.
I'd use nolvadex or arimidex while on and only use the clomid for recovery. You can also try a good tribulus product during that period or some 4-AD may help.
Clomid clearly antagonizes estrogen receptors in breast tissue and agonizes them in the brain. It makes me a bitch too.
I'd use nolvadex or arimidex while on and only use the clomid for recovery. You can also try a good tribulus product during that period or some 4-AD may help.
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here ya go. 5th article down tells you.
by Bill Roberts - Clomid is the anti-estrogen of choice for improving recovery of natural testosterone production after a cycle, improving testosterone production of endurance athletes, and is also effective in reducing risk of gynecomastia during a cycle employing aromatizable steroids.
While it has been claimed that Clomid "stimulates" production of LH and therefore of testosterone, in fact Clomid’s activity is achieved not by stimulation of the hypothalamus and pituitary, but by blocking their inhibition by estrogen.
Clomid is a mixed estrogen agonist/antagonist (activator/blocker) which, when bound to the estrogen receptor, puts it in a somewhat different conformation (shape) than does estradiol. The estrogen receptor requires binding of an estrogen or drug at its binding site and also the binding of any of several cofactors at different sites. Without the binding of the cofactor, the estrogen receptor is inactive. Different tissues use different cofactors. Some of these cofactors are able to bind to the estrogen receptor/Clomid complex, but others are blocked due to the change in shape. The result is that in some tissues Clomid acts as an antagonist -- the cofactor used in that tissue cannot bind and so the receptor remains inactive -- and in others Clomid acts as an agonist (activator), because the cofactors used in that tissue are able to bind.
Clomid is an effective antagonist in the hypothalamus and in breast tissue. It is an effective agonist in bone tissue, and for improving blood cholesterol.
Clomid also has the property of reducing the adverse effect of exercise-induced damage of muscle tissue. This is very significant for endurance athletes but is not very significant, if at all significant, with reasonable weight training. Clomid does not perceptibly affect gains of the weight trainer either favorably or adversely in my experience.
The drug seems to have estrogenic effects on mood, which can be beneficial (improving relationships with women by improving empathy) or can yield depression or PMS-like symptoms, but for most users there is no significant effect either way.
The claim that duration of intake should not exceed 10-14 days is incorrect. Clinical studies with male patients have been for periods of a year or longer. This error probably originates from the fact that, for use in women, due to the menstrual cycle there would obviously be no point in trying to stimulate ovulation all four weeks of the month. Thus, use in women is limited to 10-14 days. That limitation is not because of toxicity.
Clomid is in fact useful throughout a cycle if aromatizable drugs are being used. I do think however that to be conservative, one should use it no more than 2/3 of the time throughout the year or a little less
that stuff made me that way on my first few cycles but I guess now i have got use to it.
by Bill Roberts - Clomid is the anti-estrogen of choice for improving recovery of natural testosterone production after a cycle, improving testosterone production of endurance athletes, and is also effective in reducing risk of gynecomastia during a cycle employing aromatizable steroids.
While it has been claimed that Clomid "stimulates" production of LH and therefore of testosterone, in fact Clomid’s activity is achieved not by stimulation of the hypothalamus and pituitary, but by blocking their inhibition by estrogen.
Clomid is a mixed estrogen agonist/antagonist (activator/blocker) which, when bound to the estrogen receptor, puts it in a somewhat different conformation (shape) than does estradiol. The estrogen receptor requires binding of an estrogen or drug at its binding site and also the binding of any of several cofactors at different sites. Without the binding of the cofactor, the estrogen receptor is inactive. Different tissues use different cofactors. Some of these cofactors are able to bind to the estrogen receptor/Clomid complex, but others are blocked due to the change in shape. The result is that in some tissues Clomid acts as an antagonist -- the cofactor used in that tissue cannot bind and so the receptor remains inactive -- and in others Clomid acts as an agonist (activator), because the cofactors used in that tissue are able to bind.
Clomid is an effective antagonist in the hypothalamus and in breast tissue. It is an effective agonist in bone tissue, and for improving blood cholesterol.
Clomid also has the property of reducing the adverse effect of exercise-induced damage of muscle tissue. This is very significant for endurance athletes but is not very significant, if at all significant, with reasonable weight training. Clomid does not perceptibly affect gains of the weight trainer either favorably or adversely in my experience.
The drug seems to have estrogenic effects on mood, which can be beneficial (improving relationships with women by improving empathy) or can yield depression or PMS-like symptoms, but for most users there is no significant effect either way.
The claim that duration of intake should not exceed 10-14 days is incorrect. Clinical studies with male patients have been for periods of a year or longer. This error probably originates from the fact that, for use in women, due to the menstrual cycle there would obviously be no point in trying to stimulate ovulation all four weeks of the month. Thus, use in women is limited to 10-14 days. That limitation is not because of toxicity.
Clomid is in fact useful throughout a cycle if aromatizable drugs are being used. I do think however that to be conservative, one should use it no more than 2/3 of the time throughout the year or a little less
that stuff made me that way on my first few cycles but I guess now i have got use to it.
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